Operation California - help needed

[Future]

Greetings to all fellow tropical plant enthusiasts.

For those who haven't see it, for the 4th consecutive year I have been chronicling the amazing fruits we are enjoying in Florida.  http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11316.0

For those who don't know, Bermuda is one if the most restrictive places on Earth to import plant material into.  California is the last place left that meets requirements and even then, lab tests and willing providers has proven tough to come by.

Yesterday I was informed that mango seeds require phytos as well due to the risk of weevils and they should also come from areas free of weevils, which it is said our rare. 

Thus cutting, plants and now seeds have major hurdles to entry.

But having eaten amazing offerings from Harry, Sleepdoc, Zills, Truly Tropical, Farichild, Merrit Island...we refuse to give up on the vision.

Thus today I launch Operation California.

To stay within the law, we are seeking existing mango growers or willing growers in California who can host grafted trees. 

We have a list of varieties we are seeking which I will post momentarily.

We will procure varieties no yet in Cali as required.

We will arrange for inspections and phyto certificates next summer at the earliest.

We will fly to LA next summer to collect and lawfully take to Bermuda.

We are already preparing to implement what we have learned from our FL trip to be ready.

Anyone willing to participate as

- suppliers of bud wood to go to Cali
- existing or willing growers in Cali
- persons with grafting skills in Cali

please post a message here or PM me.

[MangoFang]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?


Gary

[Future]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?


Gary

Yes.  My initial list might be 20 varieties.  Some may already be in California.  What is not, we will source and supply.

[murahilin]

http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/fruit/beetles/mango_seed_weevil.htm

Since mango seed weevil is not found in FL, you should have no problem importing your seeds from FL right?

[Future]

http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/fruit/beetles/mango_seed_weevil.htm

Since mango seed weevil is not found in FL, you should have no problem importing your seeds from FL right?

Dude!  You may have just saved the day...

[Future]

...but to be sure, Operation California is still on...

[Future]

This is our ideal list of 20.  We will do what is practical:


Pickering
PPK
Orange Sherbert
Edgar
Lemon Zest
Coconut Cream
Dupuis Saigon
Nam Doc Mai
Pram Kai Mea
Zill Indo-Chinese
Pim Seng Mun
Fairchild
Rapoza
Choc Anon
Dot
Ivory
Edward
Khun See
Okrung
Ivory

[Future]

Clarification: All places outside Imperial County are permissible.

Updated: It appears the following counties are NOT permissible

Imperial, Alameda, Contra Costa, Humbolt, Lake, Martin, Mendocino, Monterey, Napa, San Mateo, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Solano, Sonoma.

I am not up on my CA geography so am not sure what that leaves....

[bsbullie]

This is our ideal list of 20.  We will do what is practical:


Pickering
PPK
Orange Sherbert
Edgar
Lemon Zest
Coconut Cream
Dupuis Saigon
Nam Doc Mai
Pram Kai Mea
Zill Indo-Chinese
Pim Seng Mun
Fairchild
Rapoza
Choc Anon
Dot
Ivory
Edward
Khun See
Okrung
Ivory

Unfortunately, this one is not gonna happen.  No availability of budwood.

[Future]

This is our ideal list of 20.  We will do what is practical:


Pickering
PPK
Orange Sherbert
Edgar
Lemon Zest
Coconut Cream
Dupuis Saigon
Nam Doc Mai
Pram Kai Mea
Zill Indo-Chinese
Pim Seng Mun
Fairchild
Rapoza
Choc Anon
Dot
Ivory
Edward
Khun See
Okrung
Ivory

Unfortunately, this one is not gonna happen.  No availability of budwood.

Glad you caught that one.  Thank you.  Let's add Glenn.

[ricshaw]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?
Gary

please explain "why" Californians will want to do this?

[Future]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?
Gary

please explain "why" Californians will want to do this?

We have a shared interest - premier mango varieties.  They get their hands on budwood to graft and keep forever.  We get a few cuttings from that.  Everybody wins.

[ricshaw]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?
Gary

please explain "why" Californians will want to do this?

We have a shared interest - premier mango varieties.  They get their hands on budwood to graft and keep forever.  We get a few cuttings from that.  Everybody wins.

Okay...  I am in.

[Future]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?
Gary

please explain "why" Californians will want to do this?

We have a shared interest - premier mango varieties.  They get their hands on budwood to graft and keep forever.  We get a few cuttings from that.  Everybody wins.

Okay...  I am in.

Thank you VERY much Ricshaw.  I will send you a PM. 

[Future]

So far we have pledges of California based sources of:

Mallika
Edwards
Lemon Zest
Coconut Cream
Nam Doc Mai
Pim Seng Muun
Choc Anon
Maha Chanok

[CGameProgrammer]

Clarification: All places outside Imperial County are permissible.

Updated: It appears the following counties are NOT permissible

Imperial, Alameda, Contra Costa, Humbolt, Lake, Martin, Mendocino, Monterey, Napa, San Mateo, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Solano, Sonoma.

I am not up on my CA geography so am not sure what that leaves....

That leaves the entirety of coastal southern California which is fine since that's where this would have to be done anyway. All the counties you listed are either inland or north.

[JF]

Ventura, San Bernadino, Riverside, Orange and San Diego counties would be your target. Concentrate around the LA basin that's the best mango growing area..... Heat in the summer very mild winters

[Future]

Thank you to both of you!

[MangoFang]

And I'll help, too, Future - I'm out in the desert in Riverside County.

I have a Glenn and quite a few varieties NOT on your ideal list.
Anyway, PM me....


Gary

[Future]

And I'll help, too, Future - I'm out in the desert in Riverside County.

I have a Glenn and quite a few varieties NOT on your ideal list.
Anyway, PM me....


Gary

Thank you VERY much Gary.  I will send you a PM.

[Future]

So far we have pledges of California based sources of:

Mallika
Edwards
Lemon Zest
Coconut Cream
Nam Doc Mai
Pim Seng Mun
Choc Anon
Maha Chanok

We have FL pledged budwood for

ST Maui
Pickering
PPK
Nam Doc Mai
Fairchild
Choc anon
Khun See
Tong Dam
Glenn
Piņa Colada

So we still are seeking budwood for

Edgar
Dupuis Saigon
Pram Kai Mea
Zill Indo-Chinese
Pim Seng Mun
Rapoza
Dot
Okrung
Ivory

[Future]

So far we have pledges of California based sources of:

Mallika
Edwards
Lemon Zest
Coconut Cream
Nam Doc Mai
Pim Seng Mun
Choc Anon
Maha Chanok

We have FL pledged budwood for

ST Maui
Pickering
PPK
Nam Doc Mai
Fairchild
Choc anon
Khun See
Tong Dam
Glenn
Piņa Colada

So we still are seeking budwood for

Edgar
Dupuis Saigon
Pram Kai Mea
Zill Indo-Chinese
Pim Seng Mun
Rapoza
Dot
Okrung
Ivory

I will likely be able to get Ugly Betty, Keow Savoy, Pineapple Pleasure and Glenn next week also.  So it looks like Edgar, Dupuis Saigon, Zill Indochinese will not make the show this year. 

[ricshaw]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?
Gary

please explain "why" Californians will want to do this?

We have a shared interest - premier mango varieties.  They get their hands on budwood to graft and keep forever.  We get a few cuttings from that.  Everybody wins.

But, you need your cuttings NOW. 

When do the Californians get their hands on budwood?

[Future]

hmmmm....so to encapsulate - you want to graft a LARGE number of NEW mango trees IN CALIFORNIA,
that Californians will provide the scions for, graft and hold for you till they are then transported back to Bermuda next summer following all the strict conditions that are imposed on that island....is that accurate?
Gary

please explain "why" Californians will want to do this?

We have a shared interest - premier mango varieties.  They get their hands on budwood to graft and keep forever.  We get a few cuttings from that.  Everybody wins.

But, you need your cuttings NOW. 

When do the Californians get their hands on budwood?

The cuttings for Bermuda are needed next summer, not now.  The cuttings being sought now are to grow in CA.  We will get subsequent cuttings from that.