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It used to happen a lot here in Florida with our citrus groves. Its a lot of work to the pull vines out of trees and cut the Brazilian pepper bushes down, etc. Very few of the trees ever died, though. On occasion it is helpful to have an overgrown grove. Particularly durring freezes. The vines take the brunt of the cold at the tops of the trees and the bushes help hold the heat in. In one particular story I heard recounted, the only grove to survive a freeze had been abandoned a year or two before. The higher price of fruit the next year paid for the grove to get cleaned up and then it still turned a profit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do you leave leaves under trees?
« on: March 18, 2024, 11:09:54 PM »
We keep our lychee leaves. They make a good mulch and put nutrients back into the soil. The only readon you would remove leaves is if they are harboring a pathogen of some kind.

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Looks like a micro nutrient defficiency to me. I'm not familiar enough with papaya to tell you which one. I would expect a viral disease to be more random instead of following the veins exactly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: March 12, 2024, 10:08:26 PM »
Can someone tell me what's with the gray blooms on my Maha Chanock? Is it mold or is it the weather?




Classic powdery mildew.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Triploid artocarpus breeding
« on: March 11, 2024, 10:32:05 PM »

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I grow Tropic Sweet and Ein Shimer(sp?). Both have been in the ground for close to a decade, neither grow very fast nor do they produce much. If I get a couple apples each then its a bumper year. It never crossed my mind that RKN could have something to do with it.

RKN can feast on those roots but it would become obvious after 2-4 years. Trees would basically get stuck on survival mode then eventually give up and succumb. Most rootstocks if not all are prone as far as I can tell.

Southern Crabapple was used as a rootstock years ago. It is native to north Florida and has a measure of RKN resistance. However, there was some question about it imparting extra tannins to the fruit and was mostly discontinued. Tannins are great if you want to make hard cider (so I hear), but not so good for fresh eating apples. Malus doumeri might be a good rootstock option for the deep south and Florida if you could get your hands on it. Its native to Taiwan and Vietnam but pretty rare in the US.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Self Fertile Sapodilla
« on: March 10, 2024, 08:26:47 AM »
I'm pretty sure the older types were not self fertile. We had one for 15 + years that flowered but never really set fruit until we bought a Molix. When it finally set a few fruits, they were round and grainy (Brown Sugar?). My dad cut it down.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Self Fertile Sapodilla
« on: March 09, 2024, 10:24:25 PM »
Yes, the Silas woods was not flowering when the butterscotch was. The butterscotch currently has about 12-15 fruits set on it.

Nice!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Franking annnoas
« on: March 09, 2024, 10:22:15 PM »
I was  bored and decided to do a multi graft on my page tree with ilama, dream, pink mammoth, ap2, atemoyaXrollina and  Lisa. To my surprise they all took and it’s been about a week-ish. Hope they will all continue to push.


















Wow! I didn't even know that an atemoya x rolinia was possible!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Self Fertile Sapodilla
« on: March 09, 2024, 10:14:07 PM »
Are sapodillas typically self-incompatible?  I have a Tikal only and I am wondering if I should order another one for pollination.  I can't find any list.

If my memory is correct, Wayne Cliffon had two huge saps at his place. I want to say that one was a Tikal. He lived on a residential lot, and space was at a premium. So, I can't imagine that he would have had two monsters taking up that much space if it set well on its own. Hopefully I'm wrong and he just really loved sapodillas.  :-\

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Self Fertile Sapodilla
« on: March 09, 2024, 10:09:19 PM »
Can confirm that both butterscotch and Silas woods sapodillas are self fertile. Have both at my home with fruit set.


If you have two trees, how do you know they didn't cross pollinate? Did they bloom at different times?Thanks for the response.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best Self Fertile Sapodilla
« on: March 09, 2024, 07:24:45 PM »
I am thinking about getting a sapodilla. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good one that is self fertile? The one my dad had years ago was not. I hear a lot about Butterscotch. Does anyone know if it is self fertile?

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I think its mostly the leaves that are sensitive because shelterd plants tend to fare better than ones in the open. However, tougher roots probably won't hurt.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Tape
« on: March 08, 2024, 07:35:38 PM »
See everyone does it different and gets good results.
Experiment with them all and see what you prefer.
Climate can matter too like brad mentioned about the parafilm cracking.
I’ve never seen that .

I've seen it a lot here in Florida. I think it must be from bright sun light, because we have plenty of humidity here.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Need Help with ID of citrus rootstock
« on: March 08, 2024, 07:33:20 PM »
Does anyone know if trifoliata will air layer? I have air layered limes in the past with a high degree of success. I would assume that air layering would also work for trifoliata. But, I have never had the chance to try it. I have only come accross it here in Florida on a few occasions.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Need Help with ID of citrus rootstock
« on: March 07, 2024, 10:09:50 PM »
Pretty sure that is a poncerius trifoliata of some type. Possibly Rubidoux? Its definitely not Flying Dragon, the thorns aren't curved enough. Link to accession page for Rubidoux at UCR below:

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc0838

Flying Dragon for Comparison:

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc3330B

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Tape
« on: March 07, 2024, 09:49:33 PM »
For what its worth, my graft take percentage sky rocketed when I started wrapping the unions with flagging tape as Brad recommended. I wrap the scion with parafilm. Before that I tried wrapping the whole thing with parafilm or electrical tape, or grafting strips. I got the best results by far with flagging tape.

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Ficus sycomorus can also set fruit without pollination. However, the trees must be slashed to hold the fruit to maturity.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Fruit Shapes
« on: March 06, 2024, 10:39:46 PM »
My first Homestead fruits, this was grafted 10 months ago when this photo was taken. Thanks for the scions Sam (Galatin522).









Hey Kaz, I just saw this. Those are looking good! Just got to see what the pollinated fruits look like on my Dad's tree last week. The scions you sent me bloomed and it looks like the tree will finally have full size fruits!

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Mcoambasador, that is great to know about 15 figs per gallon pot size. I'll keep that in mind.

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Looks like there are presumed hubrids between F. carica and F. palmata. So, there seems to be a good chance that they are graft compatible. All this makes one wonder if there are nematode resistant strains of F. palmata or if it could be used as an interstock to more nematode resistant figs (such as F. sycomorus) since it has likely not been tested as extensively as F. carica.

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When I was a kid we built a hideout out of fresh mulberry branches that we had cut. We were quite surprised when they sprouted and started to grow. I think a huge cutting like that is called a truncheon.

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I really doubt that it is self fertile at that size, but that would be awesome if it is. You might talk to Steve Cucura of Fruitscapes (or another reputable tropical fruit nursery). He has been in the business a long time and has a good idea of what things are worth. Even if its not worth patenting he might give you something for propagation rights if he thought it was special enough. Of course, some of that will probably be based on some things that you don't know yet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LONG Jabo season
« on: March 02, 2024, 08:17:12 PM »
Mine has not started yet (unless you count the half dozen fruit a month or so ago). Its full of bloom now, though. As a matter of fact, its so full of bloom that you can smell it half way across the yard. I never realized how nice they smelled before. At first I thought my wife had a new perfume or somthing.

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