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Can be also a case of survivorship bias

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Columnar Trees
« on: July 17, 2019, 06:08:30 AM »
Normally, by genetic selection of fastigiate cultivars. In gen Citrus, by pruning and tying the branches to the trunk to force them grow in a narrow angle. Citrus is not a fastigiate growing kind of tree. They always develop a broad canopy with time. Stems in a very acute angle will catch rotten fruits, fallen leaves and diseases

Using several narrow trees, instead a single wider tree, mean less fruits and more trunks/wood in the same space. Multigrafting a tree looks like a better solution

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: From Germany, what are these fruits?
« on: July 15, 2019, 02:04:05 AM »
Either cherry or sour cherry. Impossible to know without tasting it. The tree seems big, so Cherry (Prunus avium) with its stripped bark would be my first option. Maybe a wild "mollar cherry" type. In this case, you can expect more flavour notes than modern varieties (that are basically sugar) and a soft, not crunchy, meat with a pinch of sourness in a smaller fruit.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Jujubee fruitlets turn yellow
« on: July 14, 2019, 06:15:58 PM »
Photos?

Ziziphus is adapted to dry areas

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Remove flower buds from scion?
« on: July 14, 2019, 06:15:02 PM »
Yes.

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They could have more than one problem. See Thrip damage and Citrus rust damage also to compare your symptoms

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> This is a regenerated paulownia tomentosa thats just one year old

In a 20-30 years old root system. If this is what Guinnes measured, they are idiots. Some trees overcompensate with bursts of growing after being chopped. Is the normal behaviour, but will return to normal slow mode in the next years and can take some time to recover. Do not expect the same ratio of growing for the next 5-10 years. The average growing in the life of tree is what really counts.

I hope that you don't invest a lot of money and space on it, and give them a freely access to free water. They need a lot and If you need to use tap water could be a ruinous project.

If you really want to grow fine wood as investment that will pay benefits some decades in the future I would suggest to use the valuable space instead for Juglans, Diospyros or Macadamia. Those will be a less risky investments that will produce benefits much before in form of fruits. 

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The Guinnes book of records is more a marketing tool than a scientific source. People pays money for proposing something, one or a few judges from the organisation travel to your place for one or two days and if nobody says otherwise, put you in the book. The amount of scientific work and effort done by them to refute this proposal is close to zero.

C4 Photosynthesis evolved from C3 several times. Is typical of Poaceae, (grasses, cereal, bamboo), and also appear in a few plants of other families adapted to dry and desertic areas. There is a recent review of C4 plants (Sage 2016, Journal of Experimental Botany 68) that list each known genus with this kind of photosynthesis. In 2016 the huge genus Euphorbia was the only known genus with a few trees using C4 photosynthesis. Bamboo are not trees but its ecological role is similar in any case

Paulownia does not appear in this list. In fact there is not any plant in the list from the order Lamiales

I didn't find a recent scientific source claiming that is a true C4 plant. Maybe C4 is facultative/not the common way of photosynthesis for this tree, a mix between C3 and C4? Maybe has been modified genetically

Or perhaps this is just a myth.

If is not a true C4 plant, could run in standard mode C3 when provided with water and manure, and will move to the economic mode C4 in dry areas, thus the increase of oxigen produced is debatable.

Crassulacean Acid Metabolism (CAM) on the other hand is present in a few Lamiales but not in Paulowniaceae. Is typical of succulents in family Crassulaceae.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Poll: Meliponiculture
« on: July 04, 2019, 07:31:31 AM »

Can anyone tell me if these are stingless bees? They're about 1cm long.




Solitary bees probably. Maybe Andrena or Megachilidae but scopa aren't clear in the photo

Stingless but will not make colonies and are unable to make honey, They are really good pollinizators for Fabaceae and other plants in any case.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Poll: Meliponiculture
« on: July 04, 2019, 07:25:59 AM »
Meliponiculture is (most probably) forbiden in Europe. Would be only possible in Mediterranean countries or in a greenhouse, but by law you can't neither import nor release non-native species that could interfere with our native bees in EU.

Melipona bees can't sting, but take in mind that they can (and will) bite instead if necessary. Some species in the same family can secrete formic acid also in their bite, like ants.

They really can't compete with Apis in production (and Melipona honey extraction is more messy than in Apis).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Stop Hori bat damage
« on: July 04, 2019, 04:16:12 AM »
I have to correct myself. Some tropical microbats will eat fruit and can chew (Genus Ariteus, Artibeus, Dermanura, Enchysthenes, Phyllops, Stenoderma or Rhynophila). All of them belong to the Phyllostomidae family.

Aerorestes (Hoary bat) is in the Vespertilionidae family. Strictly feeding on invertebrates (or small vertebrates).

In theory you could be mistaken a Hoary bat by a folivorous species, but I don't think that this is happening here. When microbats feed on leaves they tear chunks off the leaves. They produce marks like those:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Evidence-of-bat-folivory-on-Senna-macranthera-leaves-A-Leaves-with-bite-marks-made-by_fig1_259573769

And your trees show a very different kind of marks, like those:

https://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/Region_2/NWRS/Zone_1/Wichita_Mountains/Sections/Cosa/WildlifeHabitat/03%20Common%20Grasshoppers,%20Katydids,%20Crickets%20AChiri%20508.pdf

Or those:

https://news.psu.edu/story/314397/2014/05/02/research/leaf-chewing-links-insect-diversity-modern-and-ancient-forests



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Stop Hori bat damage
« on: July 04, 2019, 03:12:14 AM »
Yup, typical insect damage. Bats are probably cleaning the tree from tree crickets. Microbats can't chew. They don't have molars.  Maybe could scratch, or tear off leaves but can't make chew marks. The other option apart of crickets would be snails or slugs or caterpillars. Two marks of birds can be seen in the photo also. You should encourage bats to keep doing it instead to try to deter them.

The only reason for not wanting benefical microbats in your tree could be a high risk of rabies in your area, I suppose.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Stop Hori bat damage
« on: July 03, 2019, 02:34:25 PM »
Microbats do not eat anything of vegetable origin. If you see bats in this leaves, there will be insects on the area. Show us detailed photos of the fallen leaves and maybe could see something more

Microbats will not care about CDs hanging. Can navigate them perfectly. Fruit bats could be scared by them, but this is in a different Order or animals.

Maybe is this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJqntFxyKdk

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What is the minimum temperature that this trees can stand without dying or losing the fruit?

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> this tree makes at least 3 times more oxigen than any other known tree
> this is the fastest growing tree in the world
> Stradivarius violins are made of Paulownia

All those statements seem wrong. At least pretty unlikely to me. It seems that somebody is feeding you with some propaganda and selling you some history.

In any case the behaviour of a tree can vary. The growing ratio of the tree in Romania can be much slower than in a more temperate region. Pawlonia is invasive and can turn into a nuisance in a small garden. I know a park with one of those trees since some years and the ratio grow is pretty standard. A willow or a Poplar are faster for sure. And my climate is warmer than yours easily (so should grow much faster here). Is not slow in any case but definitely not "bamboo fast".

> Bristlecone pines are a good example, the have very soft wood with very little distance between rings.

Conifers have a different vascular system than flowering trees. Are softer normally. The wood of Pinus longaeva is famous for being very resistent to insects. Is claimed to be very resinous and hard for a conifer. I never see one in any case so I could be wrong.

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Take in mind that the fastest a tree grows the worst quality of the wood (more perishable, less durable, lighter)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: June 30, 2019, 07:56:22 PM »
Hey, I could need some help with my Myrica rubra seedling.
 I've already lost two seedlings and I cant seem to keep em alive. The pic is of my latest seedling.


Hmmmm, Are you sure that this is a Myrica? the leaves are much more toothed and very different....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help ID these plants
« on: June 30, 2019, 07:43:14 PM »
B) temptatively.with this white flowers and fruits looks like a Lauraceae

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need ID help - avocados from Hawaii
« on: June 30, 2019, 05:48:28 AM »
I had never seen a yellow avocado. Yellow skin maybe could be the result of a bagged fruit but I'm just guessing.

What about its taste?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Dragon Fruit
« on: June 30, 2019, 05:13:04 AM »
> I need more info about this obscure and elusive black colour

This is not the same case and looks a real fruit, but it's worth noting that many photos of so called black fruits shown in internet are strongly photoshoped. Its trivial to modify the saturation and tone of a fruit in a photo. Some of them have even a skin smoothing filter applied.

Is the same scam as the seeds of blue japanese maple. If you see a fruit of a stricking and uncommon colour in digital photo most of the times is a fake or the colors are artifitially saturated. Cheap cameras in phones do it all the time to hide its bad quality.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing cherimoya in France
« on: June 28, 2019, 05:54:55 AM »
In my experience Annona cherimola seedlings are relatively dry resistant and also relatively forgiving to soil conditions, including alcaline exposures. I planted some seeds in a bad hydroponic pot. This pot was a serial killer of plants and cherimoyas where the only survivors. They really hate stagnant conditions on the other hand.

As long as there is some green in stems your plant can recover and resprout leaves, but high temperatures should be avoided and will need regular watering in a well drained pot..

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In my opinion is just a fairy tale. Anything that hurts the tree significantly will trigger flower production instead growing wood, but there is a price also. The price is measured in years of life and health of the tree.

Cons: Damaged bark, open wounds welcoming entry of fungus, and nails that can hurt you. There is a risk to catch a brush cutter or scratch your feeth in a nail.

Benefits: My father did the same a lot of years ago in an lazy seedling orange tree. Nothing changed. He has to wait still the same 10 years for their first orange than with a standard tree. Eventually the tree started to produce and currently it gives fairly big harvests each year. Sometimes after a big season is chlorotic and need chelates like any orange tree... And shows two ugly useless nails at the basis. Another orange tree without nails that I planted close behaves exactly the same.

In my experience the benefits are unclear and probably zero and the risks are clear. You can achieve the same with pruning

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Second question. You must assure that everybody working in your place has been vaccinated against tetanus. Be careful also with your dog, pets love to dig and vet bills can be expensive.

I thing that there is a better way. Steel balls would be much better than nails for your experiment IMHO, You can find plenty of it in any garage near to you or in a car scrapping. They are totally safe for paws and hands and (after cleaned of its oil) will rust and blend with the soil like a pebble, so are much more pleasant to see also. Let the nails for furniture only

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing cherimoya in France
« on: June 26, 2019, 10:41:40 AM »
Salt?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How are your trees growing right now?
« on: June 26, 2019, 07:21:26 AM »
> Mainly via photosynthesis. ;-)

What? mine are sucking my money for vegetable pizzas all the time. *&*%$ green liars...

Microcitrus flowers had been lazy this year and Asimina weren't in the mood. I will enjoy a Plumavalanche this year and an Oranggedon is coming in 2020 , that's for sure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona 2nd crop article
« on: June 26, 2019, 07:01:03 AM »
They recovered from cutting back?

Another solution to enjoy Annonas out of season would be to freeze it, I suppose. Anything that produces a second crop could reduce the next main crop. Plants need to refill its reserves.

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