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Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« on: December 14, 2020, 07:12:41 PM »
I was sold these so-called “Ross” Sapotes. They have yet to ripen so can’t comment on taste or flesh, but I thought Ross was smaller and had very visible striations on them. What do you think?




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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2020, 08:41:56 PM »
It kind of looks like it . One of the big clues is that they're very moist compared to other Canistel . They usually don't bear too much for even big trees . It's one of my absolute favorite Canistel .

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2020, 08:47:07 PM »
I forgot to ask but picture of the tree will help identify also .

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2020, 02:01:05 AM »
Doesn't look like Ross sapote to me. You can easily tell them apart because the seeds of Ross are quite a bit smaller, about size of a marble, and rounder than the canistels, which are more elongated or football shaped. Also the Ross fruits in bunches, and the canistel has single fruits. Yes the fruits of Ross are flatter and striated.
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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2020, 08:51:50 AM »
Look like Ross  to me,in fact it looks like it came from my trees.My trees were gifts to me from Bill Whitman and they do come in bunches .Bill introduced this to Florida.

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2020, 04:22:50 PM »
Looks like Ross sapote.. cut it open and check the seeds.

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2020, 07:39:39 PM »
I started a long thread on this very matter showing all manner of confusing specimens. Ross are not always flattened or rounded and some seedlings have extra large or small fruit. Some canistels have shorter rounder seeds to add to the confusion. Some moister canistels rival ross for moistmess.I think things are clearer in the US as it seems seedlings are proportionally less frequent. I am divided on the pictured fruit but leaning to Ross. Chop it open and then we will know.Those ross ridges are not always visible or obvious btw.

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2020, 09:16:12 PM »
They look close...
I’m growing about 10 seedlings directly from Bill Whitman’s original ‘Ross’ introduction from 1968.

I look forward to seeing what differences may occur between them since Ross is generally grafted.
Nice to see Shot has some direct specimens from Bill. Were they all grafted?
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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2020, 04:00:58 PM »
They look close...
I’m growing about 10 seedlings directly from Bill Whitman’s original ‘Ross’ introduction from 1968.

I look forward to seeing what differences may occur between them since Ross is generally grafted.
Nice to see Shot has some direct specimens from Bill. Were they all grafted?

I'm also growing a single seedling tree, that started VERY slow and is now picking up steam.  I plan to plant-out the seeds from the above pictured fruit if its decent to see what I get.  I also have a grafted specimen that's about 6ft tall now.  But these fruit in the photo will be my first opportunity to taste it.  I know there are better varieties of Canistel than the Trompo I have planted in my yard, but damn that Trompo is bad; its relatively dry and there's just something about the taste that is off-putting. But good lord does it fruit HEAVILY!

Anybody have any recommendations on Canistels that they believe are even better than Ross?  I ask because the Trompo I have will most definitely get top worked in the Spring

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2020, 06:27:55 PM »
Fairchild #2 is really good. Moist with good flavor.

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2020, 10:51:25 PM »
Looks like a so call ross sapote (kaniste)to me. These are endemic to the Yucatán. They are few trees left there but you can find them in CICY botanical garden in Merida.







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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2020, 06:18:55 AM »
My ross fruits more often with bigger crops than my canistel.

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2020, 09:04:17 AM »
My ross fruits more often with bigger crops than my canistel.

Mike do you prefer Ross over all other Canistels? Or is there another Canistel that can rival it?

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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2020, 10:12:56 AM »
As stated above, after Ross, the next best IMO is Fairchild 2.  I have had good examples of Trompo and Aurea but definitely not 100% consistent as top quality.

Oscar (Fruitlovers) supposedly has a very good selection but I haven't tried it.
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Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2020, 11:48:50 AM »
As stated above, after Ross, the next best IMO is Fairchild 2.  I have had good examples of Trompo and Aurea but definitely not 100% consistent as top quality.

Oscar (Fruitlovers) supposedly has a very good selection but I haven't tried it.

I've heard this before as well, so I'll have to be on the lookout in spring for Fairchild #2 budwood. Bye Bye Trompo