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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 03, 2022, 11:49:40 AM »
I’m only here because I saw Ollie being railroaded and I had a similar situation. To some people, a businessman who chronically shorts people and sends IOUs without payment is a thief. The semantics really lie in intention. Personally I’d feel better knowing this is a safe place where criticisms can be heard. I’ve dealt with lots of people over the course of the last year+ and I don’t have a single bad thing to say about any of them, aside from Oscar. This isn’t some higher standard, it’s just they send what I paid for and if they can’t make the full order they are immediately in touch with me to sort out the extra to keep everything copacetic.

For the sake of argument, let’s say 500 people were shorted/forgotten about on 40$ orders. That’s 20,000$ in unpaid seeds. You say that i’m number 34,000 something and he is 60 on this forum. That’s not even an implausible situation to play out. Is that still bad business or thievery? (Again a hypothetical argument, meant to illustrate a point, no need for libel lawyers)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 02, 2022, 11:45:40 PM »
Quote from: roblack on February 02, 2022, 10:20:36 PM
I don't know you Cory, but if a new person popped on here calling you or anyone else a "thief" to start off their membership, may question them as well.

Not defending anyone. Rather, promoting reason in the midst of an emotional seed situation.

Personally I don’t know that I’d use the word thief to describe the situation. I chalked it up to bad business sense, and not something as malicious. Although he did short me 36$ on my refund after I sent him exactly what was missing from my order. So it leads me to think he’s not keeping good records, because I asked for my refund immediately after opening my package. To be clear, “thief” is Ollie’s interpretation. Doesn’t make whatever’s happening any less favorable for anyone who orders from him that ends up short changed. Which seems to have happened, based on this thread, to a few people and even more that don’t want to come forward.

Only remedy I can figure is for him to send an update invoice to those he sends IOUs to. That way they have something physical for their records so if they happen to wait 4 years, they can go to their Fruitlovers/Oscar IOU folder and show what is owed. So there is zero discrepancy. Because even asking for a refund immediately I was short changed and it was his word against mine in what was missing. Or just don’t send IOUs and deal in only what you have?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 02, 2022, 11:19:47 PM »
Quote from: roblack on February 02, 2022, 10:20:36 PM
I don't know you Cory, but if a new person popped on here calling you or anyone else a "thief" to start off their membership, may question them as well.

Not defending anyone. Rather, promoting reason in the midst of an emotional seed situation.

While I’d understand that if this thread was Ollie alone, it quickly spread from him to others sharing similar stories and still ending up trying to be discredited. I’m not super active on here, I use this as a source to buy seeds and spend most of my time on Facebook. Where I even offered up where to find me as a moderator of a decently large group. I’ve got nothing to hide, it’s why my name is literally my username. First and last. How many people need to say something for this to hold water? Again I get people can be suspicious of the new profile, but everyone else? He also posted about this on his Facebook page in a group i’m active in. So when I saw him trying to be discredited here I felt the need to speak up. If Ollie doesn’t have receipts, I do. Which I’ve offered up. Not everyone is going to have their information after 4 years, even if he did send a printed updated invoice.

If someone on here called me a thief after just joining then I’d hope they’d have something to back it up or have multiple people saying the same thing about me to corroborate. Honestly not an issue I’m worried about so hard to know how I’d react in that situation. Which is why I keep my hands and nose clean. And why i’m here to report a statement of facts, not to slander anyone..


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 02, 2022, 08:26:43 PM »
I’ll even admit that most of the seeds that he did send were good. I’ve got a few seedlings from the seeds I purchased from him. So for me, quality of seeds isn’t on trial. It’s his business sense. I’m not here to drag anyone for any other reason than what they’ve actually done. Not in the business of unnecessarily defaming or slandering anyone. I absolutely wish that my experience was better. I’ve tried to be absolutely reasonable in this thread and somehow my credibility is on trial. Oscar just needs to send an updated invoice for orders he sends partials of so that people can keep that in their records. Would solve 95% of the problem here.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 02, 2022, 08:11:03 PM »
Quote from: Ollie510 on February 02, 2022, 03:55:26 PM







I’ve been hearing stuff as well. Same story, most people don’t want to be in the hot seat for speaking up. It’s a shame. I can’t say I blame them. Who wants their credibility smeared by people who aren’t even involved. Let Oscar come and try to ruin my credibility himself if I’m lying over 36$. You’re defending him like you’re getting paid to.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 02, 2022, 07:57:34 PM »
At this point, Oscar can defend himself. If you don’t endorse him, stay neutral and let people speak frankly. This boys club, where people are protected when multiple people are here complaining is not a good look. And is becoming more evident as this post stays up. Certain members are undoubtedly shielded. If you’ve had pleasant experiences with him voice it and move on, but trying to attack people’s credibility is a bit of an overreach given he isn’t endorsed by anyone. Sure seems like he is more than endorsed, he’s engrained into fabric of this entire forum.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 02, 2022, 07:42:23 PM »
Quote from: JakeFruit on February 02, 2022, 10:25:27 AM
I don't think you are understanding who "you" is here, 'cause it ain't me. Most of the old ones who started it all have attained a higher plane; one or two may arise in times of great need, but it's largely up to us as community to carry on what they started so long ago. Me, I'm just a guy that's good with tech and hates seeing forum spam. I provided some assistance with the site last year and offered to police spam accounts to give back to TFF. The members have helped me so much over the last few years with my trees, I'm doing what I can to give something back. This is a special place on the internet for most of us.

Oscar is the top listing because he "literally" was the first nursery to be added. Your member number is 34,023...his is 60. This isn't saying "know your place, junior" but he's freely given a shit load of time to this forum over the years. Calling him a thief without some hard receipts backing your case is suspect, at best. Nobody should be calling anyone on TFF a thief, for that matter, with only anger and hearsay backing the claim. I've read over a fair amount of transactions that didn't go smoothly, but most seemed to have more or less worked out between the buyer and seller. Prompt communication is key, as is paying with PayPal and never using the Friends & Family option so you can get a refund.























Receipts. PayPal wanted me to do a police report over it because he sent partial refund, making it his word against mine. Love being on trial here. ❤️‍🩹

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: February 01, 2022, 08:27:02 PM »
Quote from: JakeFruit on February 01, 2022, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: Corycourtney on January 31, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: JakeFruit on January 28, 2022, 09:41:14 AM
You joined with the specific (sole?) intent to complain about a failed transaction, having nothing to do with TFF, that happened 4 years ago, correct? That's going to be unpopular for several reasons. We are a community, this is not Ripoff Report (https://www.ripoffreport.com/); you have outside beef, best to keep it outside. You want to join the community to learn, contribute, transact with other members, you are welcome. You want to get in-touch with a member through this forum, try sending them a Private Message or two, first. Going straight to starting a thread with a title like yours as your first communication, calling out a member for over a decade by their full name on a public forum, it's not going to be popular.

Actually it does have to do with TFF if you guys still have him listed on the seeds page as a vendor to order from? That kind of gives TFF’s stamp of approval saying he’s one of the good guys? Unless i’m mistaken?

Actually, it doesn't. TFF isn't a business. It's a community-driven forum, nobody (mods or otherwise) is paid for their time or efforts. Getting listed as a seller is not an endorsement of any kind; vendor approval seemingly consists of having a semi-functioning website and sending a PM request to be listed. TFF makes nothing and approves of no one; deals are arranged between members of their own accord. It's a laissez faire kinda place, and caveat emptor should always be the expectation.

Probably a good caveat to have on that post. That you don’t vet or endorse the people you have in you pinned post at the top of the page as the first thing you see when you enter the forums seed page? I mean he’s literally the first person listed in this forum.. to say people, myself included, haven’t been led to his business as an endorsement here is silly. Plenty of forums have endorsements for other sites, why would anyone expect it to be different here?

At any rate, TFF isn’t on trial here. Oscar and his business, Fruitlovers are. Sharing knowledge about a vendor so people don’t get burned seems to be within the function of a forum like this. I would hope that is something we’d foster here is a community that can hold its own accountable…

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 31, 2022, 05:14:13 PM »
Those of you dogging on Ollie for not knowing who he is, can’t say that about me. My name is literally my username. I’m active in different amounts all over, particularly Facebook (I’m a moderator on Facebook Exotic Fruit Growers w/14k members). I’ve got nothing to hide from anyone if this thread is going to be about taking on an accusers credibility. I’ve got nothing to really gain by lying about a bad review of his business that still has me shorted 36$. Just a warning that he’s the only person I’ve dealt with that does business in this way.

If he’s keeping records he needs to send updated invoices of the missing stuff, that’s the end of story. If  he’s able to have custom IOU stickers for his orders he can print an extra piece of paper that is updated to reflect what is missing. Easy. Instead he keeps this system of his word against yours, despite this same issue coming up time and time again.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 31, 2022, 04:53:02 PM »
Quote from: fruitlovers on January 30, 2022, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Ollie510 on January 28, 2022, 03:14:33 PM
Thank you Brad for speaking up and thank you for your recommendations hopefully some of these previous commenters can see im not the only one who has had issues.
Surly there two side to ever story id love Oscar to come in here and explain why he deleted my request for a refund and decided to Block a customer from asking a question… im here all ears! :)
I've been sending seeds to people for over 30 years. So is it any surprise to you that of the many hundreds (or is it thousands) of packages i've sent that some people are not satisfied? Fortunatlely most customers don't wait 4 years to complain about something, to air their dirty laundry, or to try to defame me by calling me a thief. I don't take this lightly. I don't need to steal from anybody. Also i have proof that all items were either sent or refunded to you. Unlike you Ollie i keep a record of all my transactions.

30 years of skimming off the top and not figuring out a way to avoid these kinds of situations by actually SENDING records for people to keep!!!! Blaming people for something you never did from the start. My case was your word against mine because I had no updated invoice just pictures of what was missing, and you couldn’t even get that refund right. That was immediately after I saw what kind of business practices you employ, not after 3 years. You still couldn’t even complete our transaction. Trying to gaslight people who have the same exact story over and over again, shame on you.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 31, 2022, 04:47:37 PM »
“I've been sending seeds to people for over 30 years. So is it any surprise to you that of the many hundreds (or is it thousands) of packages i've sent that some people are not satisfied? Fortunatlely most customers don't wait 4 years to complain about something, to air their dirty laundry, or to try to defame me by calling me a thief. I don't take this lightly. I don't need to steal from anybody. Also i have proof that all items were either sent or refunded to you. Unlike you Ollie i keep a record of all my transactions.”


30 years of skimming off the top and not figuring out a way to avoid these kinds of situations by actually SENDING records for people to keep!!!! Blaming people for something you never did from the start. My case was your word against mine because I had no updated invoice just pictures of what was missing, and you couldn’t even get that refund right. That was immediately after I saw what kind of business practices you employ, not after 3 years. You still couldn’t even complete our transaction. Trying to gaslight people who have the same exact story over and over again, shame on you.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 31, 2022, 10:36:20 AM »
Quote from: JakeFruit on January 28, 2022, 09:41:14 AM
You joined with the specific (sole?) intent to complain about a failed transaction, having nothing to do with TFF, that happened 4 years ago, correct? That's going to be unpopular for several reasons. We are a community, this is not Ripoff Report (https://www.ripoffreport.com/); you have outside beef, best to keep it outside. You want to join the community to learn, contribute, transact with other members, you are welcome. You want to get in-touch with a member through this forum, try sending them a Private Message or two, first. Going straight to starting a thread with a title like yours as your first communication, calling out a member for over a decade by their full name on a public forum, it's not going to be popular.

Actually it does have to do with TFF if you guys still have him listed on the seeds page as a vendor to order from? That kind of gives TFF’s stamp of approval saying he’s one of the good guys? Unless i’m mistaken?


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 31, 2022, 10:32:11 AM »
Oscar has a history of unprofessional business practices. I’ve known multiple people with IOU’s that were never fulfilled. He’s the only person I’ve ever dealt with on the forums or otherwise that has custom printed IOU’s ready to go. He also doesn’t send any sort of undated invoice stating what is missing. He confirmed my order via email and then when I received it half my order was missing. Asked for a refund and only got a partial. His word against mine essentially and I got scammed 36$. Pretty sure Oscar owes thousands of dollars in unpaid seeds over the years of this practice. I know a few people who never received IOU seeds that don’t want to speak out for fear of being treated like Ollie is being treated here.

It’s a shame he’s well respected and well liked in the community. He seems knowledgeable. But his business sense isn’t great.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya seed packs
« on: November 27, 2021, 12:52:57 PM »
Pm sent

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB: Florida Variegated or AeAe banana
« on: September 21, 2021, 09:10:38 PM »
Hello everyone. Curious if anyone could point me in the direction of where I could find a reasonably priced Florida Variegated or AeAe banana? If reasonably priced is even an option these days. I’ve got a birthday coming up next month so if I could land one for myself I’d be pretty stoked. Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 2021 SEEDS
« on: September 20, 2021, 09:25:11 PM »
PM sent. Curious if you have any pictures of the sugarlata fruit btw?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: (2 weeks Pause) Coatepec Red and Pink ilamas seeds available
« on: September 04, 2021, 11:24:16 AM »
Quote from: spaugh on September 03, 2021, 11:03:28 PM
By the way when BP and customs agriculture department confiscates this stuff, they send you the package without the seeds with a letter in it listing the laws you broke and saying "possible fines and jail time blah blah blah". 

You got to put something besides Semillas on the description or they take it.  Rosary beads would be better.

Mine was labeled Semillas too. I got the same letter saying the laws I’d broken. Nearly 60 seeds down the toilet. Such a shame. I was planning on using these genetics to start an Ilama breeding project. Had plans for these seeds for years to come. Which is unique, this is really the first step into breeding I was going to do. So any other loss would have stung less than this one. I’m hoping to figure something out so it’s not a total loss but I’ll probably have to get the small lots permit and order again, eating the loss entirely.

Sucks that i’m not the only one, but on some level i’m glad i’m not feeling this pain alone.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: (2 weeks Pause) Coatepec Red and Pink ilamas seeds available
« on: September 03, 2021, 04:45:16 PM »
My seeds were confiscated and destroyed by customs. 160$ and the loss of rare genetics. Nothing I can do about it. Hopefully everyone else had better luck.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ilama Annona macroprophyllata 'Genova Red' and 'Guillermo' fresh seeds
« on: August 26, 2021, 08:31:51 PM »
PM sent. Thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Coatepec Red and Pink ilamas seeds available
« on: August 08, 2021, 10:08:45 PM »
Pm sent

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: African tropical seeds and Agricultural products
« on: July 09, 2021, 07:20:18 PM »
Wanted to leave Jibril positive feedback after my order of Annona Senegalensis seeds came lightning fast from Ghana to Florida. Got them in about a week with all the documentation he needed to send it. Including phytosanitary certificate. Everything is very professional. He also sent extra seeds. Waiting on my order of Annona Stenophylla seeds but i’m sure they’ll arrive soon enough!




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fruit/Seeds/Scions for sale Updated 10-25-2020
« on: April 17, 2021, 08:39:30 AM »
Received my order! Thanks for all the extras! Even threw in some seedlings! Definitely will order again!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 2021 seeds
« on: April 12, 2021, 10:04:42 AM »
Received my order! Thanks for the extras! Few of the seeds already had some tap roots showing. Hoping for a solid germination set. Thanks again.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 2021 seeds
« on: April 07, 2021, 03:10:27 PM »
Pm sent

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fruit/Seeds/Scions for sale Updated 10-25-2020
« on: April 07, 2021, 02:04:21 PM »
PM sent

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