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Do you think there should be an Ultra Tropical section on this form

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Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« on: March 21, 2021, 01:48:54 PM »
I think so. :)





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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2021, 02:01:45 PM »
I'm have a hard time determining what is even considered ultra topical.  Mangosteen, Durian, Rambutan, Breadfruit, Salak?  I dunno what else

I'd be more interested in a container and/or greenhouse growing section. 

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2021, 02:59:04 PM »
I'm have a hard time determining what is even considered ultra topical.  Mangosteen, Durian, Rambutan, Breadfruit, Salak?  I dunno what else

I'd be more interested in a container and/or greenhouse growing section.
I guess anything that can barely tolerate 45 I guess
Chempedak, marang, santol, durian, rambutan\, pulasan, abiu, mangosteen, salak, breadfruit, kepel, all o those
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2021, 03:31:07 PM »
thanks, some of those I wasn't aware were so sensitive.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2021, 06:59:17 PM »
The term ultra tropical causes confusion when referencing equatorial which is the cyclone/hurricane free zone about 6 latitude either side of the equator.. Even the most equatorial of species can be grown out to say almost 20 latitude. The term sub tropical is not clearly differentiated from warm temperate also but is outside of the line of the tropics at 23 latitude. I think we would be adding confusion and arguing about what is in and out. The zone system is a very blunt instrument when deciding whether tropical fruits will grow and even the Kppen climate classification derivative struggle when we are trying to define climates.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2021, 07:13:42 PM »
I guess anything that can barely tolerate 45 I guess
Chempedak, marang, santol, durian, rambutan, pulasan, abiu, mangosteen, salak, breadfruit, kepel, all of those

If defined properly, then yes, this could be a useful sub-group to have, especially for those who are just getting started with tropical fruit –and there seems to be more of the newly-interested all the time.

Just my 2¢-worth . . .

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2021, 07:22:15 PM »
Same comment as your thought as to new forum topics. Less is more.  We don't need to recreate the wheel...

This would cause too much confusion.  Do only people un those climates post there or discussions about what people perceive as ultra tropical?  If people are in areas not categorized as ultra tropical but want to discuss trying to grow them, then what?  What about those in colder zones growing in pots in a greenhouse?  See my point?
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2021, 09:12:08 PM »
Yes please it wouldn't just have to be for those who live in these places, would be good to just be a place of discussion for all the truely tropical/equatorial species so we dont have wade through discussion after discussion on mangoes.  It might actually create some more discussion on plants like pulasan which there is almost no discussion of, same for rambutan etc.  Basically any plant that is too tropical to grow in a florida back yard without extreme difficulty would be suitable for this section.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2021, 09:13:32 PM »
No, I do not believe there should be additional sections on the forum. It is already hard enough getting everything sorted into the categories we currently have. We have a Citrus section, but half the time Citrus posts end up in Tropical Fruit Discussion. The same thing sometimes happens with the Temperate posts. Sometimes, topics meant for Tropical Fruit Discussion end up in the Citrus or Temperate sections.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2021, 09:19:20 PM »
Yes please it wouldn't just have to be for those who live in these places, would be good to just be a place of discussion for all the truely tropical/equatorial species so we dont have wade through discussion after discussion on mangoes.  It might actually create some more discussion on plants like pulasan which there is almost no discussion of, same for rambutan etc.  Basically any plant that is too tropical to grow in a florida back yard without extreme difficulty would be suitable for this section.

Pulasan is a tropical fruit. There is a Tropical Fruit Discussion section where Pulasan can be discussed. If some forum users want to create a Pulasanaholics Anonymous topic to gather together their Pulasan growing knowledge and questions, they currently have a section of the forum to do so.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2021, 09:56:01 PM »
I think it would be nice, yes. Ultra tropicals need such a different environment than the things you can grow in Florida, and it would be good to separate the two. I think it should be a subsection of the tropical fruit section, like the online library and buy/sell categories are.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2021, 07:44:03 AM »
A common feature of tropical and equatorial areas are higher altitude areas where species like atemoya, mangoes, lychees, longans and many more grow better than the nearby lowlands and are mixed up in the markets.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2021, 10:36:08 AM »
Yes i'm tired of all the mango talk ...

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2021, 12:19:52 PM »
Is there a way to support tagging of posts?

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2021, 02:12:13 PM »
Most people can’t figure out Tropical fruit tree’s VS Sub-Tropical fruit tree’s which is kind of important.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2021, 02:31:07 PM »
I've tried to and I still don't know.  I haven't found a good reference on tropical/sub/"ultra"

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2021, 05:29:21 PM »
To me, sub/tropical/ultra is like this
Subtropical, anything that can take some frost 25-28 cherimoya atemoya passion fruit mango avocado sapodilla guava cattleyanum guava most eugenias and plinia etc.
Tropical, anything that struggles below freezing ie soursop, jak fruit, mamey, miracle fruit, milimbi, abiu
Ultra tropical anything that just goes bleh below 45 usually
Durian breadfruit salak mangosteen marang etc.
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2021, 08:58:46 PM »
To me, sub/tropical/ultra is like this
Subtropical, anything that can take some frost 25-28 cherimoya atemoya passion fruit mango avocado sapodilla guava cattleyanum guava most eugenias and plinia etc.
Tropical, anything that struggles below freezing ie soursop, jak fruit, mamey, miracle fruit, milimbi, abiu
Ultra tropical anything that just goes bleh below 45 usually
Durian breadfruit salak mangosteen marang etc.

Agree with this

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2021, 10:25:02 PM »
A common feature of tropical and equatorial areas are higher altitude areas where species like atemoya, mangoes, lychees, longans and many more grow better than the nearby lowlands and are mixed up in the markets.

Mike what is your conjecture or speculation of why these grow better at higher altitudes. Is it carbon dioxide levels (precipitation) (temperature) or something else.
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2021, 12:28:19 AM »
Bovine it was just the point that many people in tropical areas also see the sub tropical fruits from adjacent highlands and it is a bit artificial to draw a line around part of a spectrum as they don't fall into neat boxes even within species. Those in tropical places growing atemoya passion fruit mango avocado sapodilla guava cattleyanum guava most eugenias and plinia etc along with durian, mangosteen, breadfruit and the like don't need another section to look in. It is a different vantage looking poleward from the tropics to that of towards the equator from a sub tropical position. While some sub tropical grow in warm climates I have the reverse issue of what some others are experiencing in that most lychees won't fruit, cherry of rio grande grows well but never flowers and guatemalan avos are second rate in my climate because it is too warm and humid. Summer is well gone but it is 33c to 24c with the air heavy like syrup today again and its been like that for 5 months. Many of the sub tropicals are not fans of prolonged warm and humid weather.

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2021, 05:24:07 AM »
Bovine it was just the point that many people in tropical areas also see the sub tropical fruits from adjacent highlands and it is a bit artificial to draw a line around part of a spectrum as they don't fall into neat boxes even within species. Those in tropical places growing atemoya passion fruit mango avocado sapodilla guava cattleyanum guava most eugenias and plinia etc along with durian, mangosteen, breadfruit and the like don't need another section to look in. It is a different vantage looking poleward from the tropics to that of towards the equator from a sub tropical position. While some sub tropical grow in warm climates I have the reverse issue of what some others are experiencing in that most lychees won't fruit, cherry of rio grande grows well but never flowers and guatemalan avos are second rate in my climate because it is too warm and humid. Summer is well gone but it is 33c to 24c with the air heavy like syrup today again and its been like that for 5 months. Many of the sub tropicals are not fans of prolonged warm and humid weather.
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2021, 11:47:35 AM »
I'd have thought after 20 posts in this thread someone would have pointed out the obvious: "Ultra tropical" is a misnomer because "Ultra" means beyond. E.g. Ultra-violet radiation (which is beyond the color violet and is invisible).

The species in question are just pure tropicals, or put in other terms, exclusively tropical. The warmest jungles of Malaysia and Brazil are not "ultra tropical." Reserve that term for artificial setups or perhaps the planet Venus. Species adaptable enough to be grown both in the tropics and subtropics could be considered "trans-tropical."

Bovine, before attempting to improve the forum through these sorts of initiatives, why don't you get the basics right, like using the quote function correctly so that it does not look like an eyesore. Why not correct your post after an obvious editing mistake? Rather disrespectful to other readers.
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2021, 04:56:40 PM »
While ultra tropics is clumsy terminology but if you consider equatorial as being beyond tropical it can almost be rational.

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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2021, 05:22:13 PM »
To me, sub/tropical/ultra is like this
Subtropical, anything that can take some frost 25-28 cherimoya atemoya passion fruit mango avocado sapodilla guava cattleyanum guava most eugenias and plinia etc.
Tropical, anything that struggles below freezing ie soursop, jak fruit, mamey, miracle fruit, milimbi, abiu
Ultra tropical anything that just goes bleh below 45 usually
Durian breadfruit salak mangosteen marang etc.

Thanks, I read that anything in the high 30's was fatal to soursop. I/m glad  planted mine well protected from winds. 
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Re: Should there be an Ultra tropical section on this form???
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2021, 07:33:26 PM »
While ultra tropics is clumsy terminology but if you consider equatorial as being beyond tropical it can almost be rational.
A lot of the terminology is clumsy. I think also that it would be better to talk about species that don't easily adapt to growing outside the tropics, and those that do, what he is calling trans-tropical, or widely adapted and not widely adapted. But at this stage it's too late and people will no doubt continue to use the term ultra-tropical, whether we like it or not.
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