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Botanists are far from the end all be all of plant existence and identification. Botanists outdated information has been corrected plenty of times by the rare fruit community.

Worldwide people eat crap processed foods and don’t know the endemic edible fruits and plants in their back yard. This is a worldwide confusion of the masses.
So yes of course 90% + of humans only know what is under there noses and would only be interested in buying supermarket fruits to plant.

What I am saying is that there is a small percentage worldwide of humans that are interested in their native flora and fauna and they know about, are growing , or “discovered” the rare fruit that whomever outsider , non native fruit hunter claims to have “ discovered” and chosen to name.

Of course 95% of the population is amazed that fruit is right down the way in the forest, they are entrenched in a non natural empirical babylon shytstem that looks at that same resource as charcoal or grazing land.

While I think it is fantastic to bring these genetics to the people , one of the most important missions on the planet! Thank you Sellami.
I do not believe in most cases you or any other fruit hunter flying in from afar , is putting eyes on and “discovering” a fruit that has been long lost to humans.
Locals will always have the advantage of knowing the area much better than you and your relying on them , so I do find it practically impossible to feel like you need to take credit for discovering the species. Isn’t getting the species out there and making the money enough? Why the need to self aggrandize and lay claim to a species discovery? Is this my assumption and misinterpretation?

99% plus of people in California have no idea you can eat the native thimbleberry’s, native cherry, manzanita berry’s, huckleberries, pine pollen, seaweed or the lemons and limes growing in their front yards for that matter. People are fucking disconnected worldwide and are trained that food comes from the grocery store.

Quote from: The Seeds Hunter on February 24, 2022, 11:03:33 AM

Quote from: Bush2Beach on February 16, 2022, 12:52:53 PM

It is always very hard to believe that none of these fruits are in cultivation by locals in their endemic zone.
I understand the rate of deforestation and in some cases a very small native zone to search for a fruit locals only remember from childhood. There are some great works being done to spread these species far and wide in the hopes to further increase distribution and understanding.

I don’t think it’s possible to out local the locals anywhere in the world. When you know the forests or streets for your life , you know it much better than anyone visiting.
How can visitors be the one to find and “bring into cultivation for the first time” a food source that has been in the neighborhood for hundreds and thousands of years? I don’t know how that’s possible.
I think it’s maybe being brought to english speaking collectors for the first time.
Something portugese speaking locals may care little about .
One thing is very clear is Brazil does not make it easy for these genetics to leave the country.

what about all the new species that even botanists aren't able to identify ? have you been fruit hunting ? did you talk to natives ? have you seen natives impressed of seeing a fruit collected in their region while they know nothing about it ? have you seen nurseries in Brazil selling Bananas, avocados , mangoes , orange trees as native fruiting plants ? most of people in Bahia know Annona squamosa! while very small number of people are aware of fruits like Annona salzmannii , not talking about other more rare fruits !! it's easy to talk about how things should be in theory ! I wish people can go through the practical part before they make their assumptions/ conclusions

Quote from: The Seeds Hunter on February 12, 2022, 09:10:01 AM

Quote from: SaltwaterTx on February 12, 2022, 06:50:41 AM

So we gotta pay for the expeditions? And how do we even know what the seeds will do when they mature? It’s too expensive for most to even try to find out. It’s not budwood we’re talking about here, it’s shots in the dark. In my opinion this forum exists as a means for mostly serious growers to buy/sell/trade and share info. I try to look at every post when possible. If it’s clogging up the BST board, I’m going to comment if I think the price is outrageous. Also I don’t think charging astronomical prices is the way to truly preserve a species. Everyone is welcome to create a website and try to draw traffic to it. If you post on here you’re going to draw comments. Charging 75 euro for 4 seeds of a fruit with tons of seeds is just outrageous and a waste of most people’s time to read the post. And really limits growing “giant” salzmanii to only a few wealthy growers. Even if I can afford it, I’m not paying for someone else to go traverse the world and get $1000 worth seeds off one fruit. I work very hard for a living, I’m not sure everyone knows what that means. Searching for seeds is a hobby and a vacation. Also we’re dealing with nature and there’s no type of guarantee on anything. I do not doubt the dedication at all. It’s seeds hunters choice to get it in the hands of people or not. If you truly cared about preserving species though you wouldn’t charge so much.

with all my respect mate I think no one asked anyone to pay for anything here! we started from scratch knowing we will be facing a lot of challenges and a lot of new and different situations and we went for it adapting with the situation at any point of the time. we have a cost structure and a social structure that we need to be sustaining on Monthly basis to keep our work going and preserve as much species as we can reach!no one is forced to be a part of it! nature is being destroyed on daily basis and if today it's still possible to find some species in few years with the actual destruction pace part of these species will go extinct from the wild. we have made a lot of prices better and we are working on improving them to make them all available at affordable prices for everyone though it takes time. charging astronomical prices is of course not the way to preserve specie , though this is true in which conditions mate ? there are a lot of details that goes into pricing! it'S always easy to judge! though there are expeditions costs, cleaning and selection process and treatment of seeds for storage. our seeds after the cleaning process goes through different stages of selection and goes through many kinds of tests until they are ready for storage and to offer!
we offer follow up and we haven't let any customer down who told us he didn't get a germination for any specie! we always gladly sent new seeds and offered follow up until specie is established! we guarantee delivery and guarantee quality and that also has its costs. logistic also has a high cost structure and so on.. we are establishing all species and cultivars with the aim of propagation and to make them all affordable and accessible for anyone.. though the process takes time.. and while working on getting there we will keep doing our best to keep our social structure and keep this thing going! 30 to 40 percent of our seeds are always shared with natives and serious growers in Brazil before any of these gets offered ! our friends and partners around the globe know who we truly are, if we really care about preservation , and supports us in what we do! we are happy to share seeds, trade seeds and we have traded with  hundreds of people without any money  included! I believe if people asked for trade or found a better way to interact with people instead of judging them , life would have been way better for both parts!

If someone's seeds don't germinate, and you are able to send seeds for any species just like that, does that not contradict some of your details about pricing?

It is always very hard to believe that none of these fruits are in cultivation by locals in their endemic zone.
I understand the rate of deforestation and in some cases a very small native zone to search for a fruit locals only remember from childhood. There are some great works being done to spread these species far and wide in the hopes to further increase distribution and understanding.

I don’t think it’s possible to out local the locals anywhere in the world. When you know the forests or streets for your life , you know it much better than anyone visiting.
How can visitors be the one to find and “bring into cultivation for the first time” a food source that has been in the neighborhood for hundreds and thousands of years? I don’t know how that’s possible.
I think it’s maybe being brought to english speaking collectors for the first time.
Something portugese speaking locals may care little about .
One thing is very clear is Brazil does not make it easy for these genetics to leave the country.

Is this a fruit that will perform well in the lowland tropics? I know nothing about it other than this thread saying its from brazil ( big country with lots of different climates) Sounds like something i need to have though.

Giant gecko the other seller is not shipping from usa

A little fairness goes a long way. If they were 10 seeds for 75, I would have already made the purchase and then gone to the website to see what I can add to the order. I’m sure you’d like to recoup all of your travel expenses, but those of us that work for a living aren’t gonna pay for you to traverse the globe in the name of “preservation” and have us pick up the entire tab. We’re all grateful that you are passionate about collecting and sharing, but I think you would get a lot more business if you were a little more reasonable, and it would allow many more people to grow and preserve these rare species. It seems to me like a couple sellers here have the money prioritized above species preservation.

I believe this is a unique salzmannii though because Berto has identified two distinct ones based on flesh consistency and this one seems to differ based on flesh color and texture (white opaque). There are many variations in other annonas so it’s not unheard of. I would absolutely love to grow this one but as a grafted plant …..a man can only dream right!

-Joe

Half the time these seeds don't even sprout, that's if they arrive, I've been waiting over a month for seeds, no response..

If those fruits are ripe , shouldn’t the skin be yellow ?