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Title: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 12, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
Now you have found the real A.A.....I figured why not start a thread here for the paw paw addicted people in the world...

I think FL is the world's epicenter for Asimina species....

we even have those super rare deeringothamnus species...which I believe are found nowhere else in the world.

I'm planting parviflora and triloba here in central FL...maybe we can get a cross? or even a decent tasting parviflora would be enough to get me excited about grafting some...I think almost all of the species have variability in flavor, so it's worth seeking out superior strains...even for species that are reported to be poor quality.

Also, I have a friend who fruited A. triloba in central FL, and it made delicious fruits, but production was minimal. 

let's get excited about finding new varieties and species to grow!  maybe even some hybrids!

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Marsbars on February 12, 2015, 09:01:15 PM
I hear that susquehana is one of the best cultivars around. Prone to cracking, bruising, and 1lb fruits too! Ive never tried a pawpaw. Is it possible to bring one to fruition in southern California?. Also the thought of Interspecific hybrids with pawpaw makes brings me to deep contemplation.

Edit: Intergeneric
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 13, 2015, 09:31:56 AM
I just planted a susquehana, Shenandoah , and allegheny last week. I have had a "mango" for a couple years but I planted it in a spot with full shade and it has not grown much at all. It does flower though. I may move it this week but I am worried about the transplant killing it.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on February 13, 2015, 09:54:14 AM
Jsvand5,  that is great to hear that your "mango" is flowering. What is the size of your tree and how tall was it when planted?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 13, 2015, 11:17:02 AM
Jsvand5,  that is great to hear that your "mango" is flowering. What is the size of your tree and how tall was it when planted?

Not big. Maybe 2 1/2 feet. Might have grown a foot in the last two years. It is is 100% shade though. I am cutting down a big mulberry soon and that should help with the sunlight if I don't end up just moving the pawpaw instead
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 13, 2015, 12:41:08 PM
I just planted a susquehana, Shenandoah , and allegheny last week. I have had a "mango" for a couple years but I planted it in a spot with full shade and it has not grown much at all. It does flower though. I may move it this week but I am worried about the transplant killing it.

have you tried hand pollinating?

my friends have got fruit set with isolated trees, just by hand pollinating...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 13, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
I just planted a susquehana, Shenandoah , and allegheny last week. I have had a "mango" for a couple years but I planted it in a spot with full shade and it has not grown much at all. It does flower though. I may move it this week but I am worried about the transplant killing it.

have you tried hand pollinating?

my friends have got fruit set with isolated trees, just by hand pollinating...

Haven't tried. Figured it was too small anyway. Maybe this season if it flowers again. I'd just like to try a fruit. Seems to be a love them or hate them type fruit from the few people that I know that have tried them.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: gator_rider2 on February 13, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Peaches number one some nectarines are great I have peaches at end April.

Sorry new member post wrong thread.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: fyliu on February 13, 2015, 11:40:07 PM
I bought a small plant recently before it went dormant, about 2ft. No idea when it should fruit but it's grafted and I grafted another varietiy onto the rootstock part of it.

What are the good varieties? I know Ed Self and TX rare fruit growers prefer Wabash.

I've tried it twice, once a piece from large fruits shipped from FL and one that's locally grown but small. The small one filled the car with a very nice banana aroma and the fruit was chewier and creamier than cherimoya.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
Yes so far Wabash is my favorite!

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:08:02 AM
Pawpaw Pollination

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This picture is of a pawpaw flower in the receptive stage. The petals are cut away to expose the sexual parts. The large green mass at the bottom is the immature anthers. There are 5 stigma protruding up through mass. If pollinated there is a possibility of 5 fruit. A flower with only say three stigma will develop only three fruit if all are pollinated.
When the petals are still green, the flower is not receptive (female). You want the petals to turn maroon (some green showing is okay). You want the stigmas to be swollen and glisten. The petals will be rather tight. The ball of anthers will be green and tight. When the flower changes to the male stage, the petals flare out more widely, petal color can be darker; the ball of anthers darken and loosen and begin releasing pollen.

The next picture is of a flower which is past the receptive stage and the anthers have matured. The green mass has turned gray and if you look closely pollen is on the petals. The problem is getting this pollen to flowers that are receptive.

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This is easy to do. Most flowers hang up side down. Simply take a small bottle such as a prescription bottle hold it under the flower and rake the anthers which contain pollen into the bottle. Be careful to not break off the stigma and ovary which is under the anther mass. Don't worry about separating the pollen from the anthers. Now take a Q-tip or tiny paint brush pull off some of the cotton, not all, Then twist into a smaller ball, dip into the pollen mix and touch to the stigma of receptive flowers. You will get anthers and pollen, but the flower doesn't care and the pollen will find the stigma. Pollen isn't available when the first flowers open due to the delay of maturing anthers. But again that is no problem as the bloom period is nearly two weeks. So don't try pollinating until several days after the first flowers open.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
A few clusters of hand pollinated fruit from my only variety that was blooming at the time of pollinating.



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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 17, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
Pawpaw flower buds
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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 06:32:27 AM


http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-505.html (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-505.html)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 06:34:28 AM

http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/Products.php (http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/Products.php)

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 07:22:54 AM
www.clemson.edu/hort/peach/pdfs/northamericanpawpaw.pdf (http://www.clemson.edu/hort/peach/pdfs/northamericanpawpaw.pdf)

www.clemson.edu/hort/Peach/pdfs/FG97.pdf (http://www.clemson.edu/hort/Peach/pdfs/FG97.pdf)

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on February 18, 2015, 10:30:03 AM
Nice pics of the fruit, Ed.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 01:23:39 PM
Thanks Bob! One is PA Golden and the other one was Wells. They were my favorites till I tried Wabash.

Ed

Nice pics of the fruit, Ed.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2015, 04:37:14 PM
Anyone know if Duckworth A,B,C pawpaw selections available anywhere?


Duckworth A: Low-chill cultivar selected in San Mateo, Florida by Eric Duckworth, seedling of Louisiana native parent; tree with pyramidal
shape.

Duckworth B: Low-chill cultivar selected in San Mateo, Florida by Eric Duckworth, seedling of Louisiana native parent; grows no larger
than a shrub.

"Yes, Pawpaws in Palatka
This short report on CRFG member Eric
Duckworth's success in growing pawpaws in
Florida was excerpted from Lynettte Walther's
column, Good Seasons, in the Palatka Daily
News, which we thank for permission to reprint.

"Since everything I read seemed to
indicate that pawpaws grew further to
the north ... and not where I garden in
Northeast Florida, I gave up hope of
growing them myself.

"So imagine my delight when Eric
[Duckworth] assured me not only that
pawpaws grew here, but that they also
produced fruit!

"Now, I have to tell you that Eric's
pawpaws seem to be exceptions to the
rule. So much so that agriculturists
from all over, including some from
universities, have come to Eric's garden
to see for themselves that pawpaws
produce here.

He has developed
three new varieties, each with their
own characteristic. One of them, the
'A' pawpaw, grows in a pyramid shape.
The 'B' grows not larger than a big
shrub, and the 'C' grows in a cluster.

"You see, the parents of Eric's trees
came from Jackson, Parish, La.
" 'They come from Cajun pawpaws,'
Eric said proudly. 'I never told them
they weren't supposed to grow here.' "
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
I was able to visit Mr. Duckworth back in the 90 s when I started collecting named varieties of pawpaws. I was able to sample the fruit and did not find the plants to be worth propagating in my opinion.

 Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2015, 04:46:47 PM
I was able to visit Mr. Duckworth back in the 90 s when I started collecting named varieties of pawpaws. I was able to sample the fruit and did not find the plants to be worth propagating in my opinion.

 Ed

Ok, that would make the low chill qualities a moot point then.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
How many chill hours do you normally get?

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 18, 2015, 05:29:30 PM
How many chill hours do you normally get?

Ed

They would be planted in Port Saint Lucie, 1 mi from the river 4 mi from the intercoastal. Zone 10a, +10 year old coconut palms.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Wabash went dormant and leafed out for me 2 years in a roll when I lived in the Orlando area. I would recommend giving it a try. I would plant so it would be in the shade from about noon forward.

Ed


How many chill hours do you normally get?

Ed

They would be planted in Port Saint Lucie, 1 mi from the river 4 mi from the intercoastal. Zone 10a, +10 year old coconut palms.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 18, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
Ed,

is this plant in the ground or in a pot?

what variety?

nice pic amigo!
A few clusters of hand pollinated fruit from my only variety that was blooming at the time of pollinating.



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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Thanks Adam! This is a multi grafted tree planted in the ground. The cluster of 3 is PA Golden and the other cluster is the Wells variety.


Ed,

is this plant in the ground or in a pot?

what variety?

nice pic amigo!
A few clusters of hand pollinated fruit from my only variety that was blooming at the time of pollinating.



([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/vsezwwj1t/1399774806509.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/vsezwwj1t/[/url])

([url]http://s8.postimg.cc/jcia35ppt/1420990896898.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/jcia35ppt/[/url])

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 18, 2015, 11:05:30 PM
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 19, 2015, 09:24:43 AM
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Have you tried allegheny? I was trying to decide between that one and wabash. I went with allegheny but now you have me wanting a wabash too.
 My only problem is that my yard pretty much has areas of full sun or almost no sun. I put the three newly purchased whips in a full sun area since the tree that I have had in shade has grown ridiculously slow in the last 2 years. I'm just  planning to see how they handle the sun and I'll put up a shade cloth if they don't seem to do well.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 19, 2015, 03:15:04 PM
I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 19, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed

Is the wabash a patented variety? I was hoping to avoid buying another tree but I guess I'll have to if they can't be grafted. Just have to figure out where to plant it.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: fyliu on February 19, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
I'm looking for good varieties too but realized that my tree is still too small to graft much onto. I was able to make one graft to the extra rootstock growth so I now has 2 varieties.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: TriangleJohn on February 20, 2015, 09:45:22 AM
I'm in zone7b (Raleigh NC) and mine do best growing on the edge of shade, so they get some sun but not long extended periods of full sun. Mine are all offspring from named varieties, grown from seed, about 5 years old and 12 feet tall. They have started to sucker but I am afraid to dig the babies up for fear of damaging the long tap root. All the fruits from my 5 trees tastes the same but come in different sizes and shapes and ripens at different times (sometimes even from the same tree). One of my trees blooms and sets fruit twice each year - the normal early Spring bloom with summer fruits and an August bloom with October fruits. This same tree also goes to sleep in the fall earlier than all the others. This is the tree that happened to be blooming when my Cherimoya (greenhouse) was in bloom so I tried to hand pollinate them. I have those seeds sowed and isolated from all the other pawpaw seeds to see if they will sprout. I should be able to tell when they get their first set of true leaves since the pawpaw leaves are long and thinner than the Cherimoya. To me the pawpaw fruit flavor is as good a grocery store Cherimoya, not as good as a perfectly ripe Cherimoya in South America or California but still pretty good.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 20, 2015, 08:13:06 PM
I'm really interested in hearing more about the one that fruits twice per a year. Has it done this several years in a row?

Ed

I'm in zone7b (Raleigh NC) and mine do best growing on the edge of shade, so they get some sun but not long extended periods of full sun. Mine are all offspring from named varieties, grown from seed, about 5 years old and 12 feet tall. They have started to sucker but I am afraid to dig the babies up for fear of damaging the long tap root. All the fruits from my 5 trees tastes the same but come in different sizes and shapes and ripens at different times (sometimes even from the same tree). One of my trees blooms and sets fruit twice each year - the normal early Spring bloom with summer fruits and an August bloom with October fruits. This same tree also goes to sleep in the fall earlier than all the others. This is the tree that happened to be blooming when my Cherimoya (greenhouse) was in bloom so I tried to hand pollinate them. I have those seeds sowed and isolated from all the other pawpaw seeds to see if they will sprout. I should be able to tell when they get their first set of true leaves since the pawpaw leaves are long and thinner than the Cherimoya. To me the pawpaw fruit flavor is as good a grocery store Cherimoya, not as good as a perfectly ripe Cherimoya in South America or California but still pretty good.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 20, 2015, 11:44:32 PM
Asimina hybrids

By R Neal Peterson

of A. triloba and A. reticulata and A. obovata


https://m.facebook.com/100007916506104/albums/1476153569325179/?refid=17
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 20, 2015, 11:48:04 PM
Pawpaw Orchards

By R Neal Peterson

Throughout the country.

https://m.facebook.com/100007916506104/albums/1477229989217537/?refid=17
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: nullzero on February 21, 2015, 12:25:01 AM
Quote
But he successfully created interspecific hybrids by crossing Asimina obvovata, A. longifolia, A. incana, and A. reticulata with A. triloba. The A. triloba x A. obovata hybrids appeared fertile. Unfortunately, Zimmerman died in 1941 before his other crosses matured. Only a tiny portion of his varietal collection was donated by his widow to the Blandy Experimental Farm: eight interspecific Asimina hybrids and four controlled crosses of 'Ketter', 'Buckman' and 'Taylor' (Flory, 1958).


http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/conference/peterson03.pdf (http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/conference/peterson03.pdf)

That is great news that it hybrids with A. reticulata. Some strains of A. reticulata are really good, it could also open up the hybrids to subtropical/tropical climates.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 21, 2015, 12:57:23 AM
Lots of work left to do! Great information for pawpaw breeders.

Ed
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 21, 2015, 01:15:25 AM
man I can't think of a prettier tree to grow in temperate regions...or a more tropical looking one!

is that tree at your house Ed?

Make me want to plant a bunch of those here at my house, even if they don't fruit!
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 21, 2015, 02:49:01 AM
Adam,

That tree is at the house that I lived at in the Houston area.

man I can't think of a prettier tree to grow in temperate regions...or a more tropical looking one!

is that tree at your house Ed?

Make me want to plant a bunch of those here at my house, even if they don't fruit!
Pawpaw growing and fruiting in Texas. Notice how it is planted against the east side of the house. Null and other growers in Florida I would recommend the same either against a house or other structure to provide protection from after noon sun.

([url]http://s13.postimg.cc/cnnepq25v/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/cnnepq25v/[/url])

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: TriangleJohn on February 21, 2015, 01:48:03 PM
Edself65 - Last year was the first year for my trees to fruit. They all had a few flowers on them the year before but only one of them made fruit. Last year they were covered in flowers and I got all the fruit I could eat. The tree that fruited twice is one of the weaker trees in the row. It seems to suffer from drought stress even after a rain or I have hand watered it and it starts to turn yellow months before the rest of them - so I'm not too sure it is healthy. Only a few of its branches bloomed a second time last year. I was grateful for late season fruit because I got to enter them in our state fair where they won a blue ribbon! Last year I left everyone alone and most of them formed clusters of fruit (sometimes as many as 5 fruit per cluster) and this kept the fruit small. This year I plan on thinning them to see if I can get larger fruit.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 21, 2015, 06:35:20 PM
Triangle John,
I would mulch the tree that looks to be suffering from drought with a nice layer of leaves and pine needles. You may also want to provide some temporary shade from direct sun.

Ed

Edself65 - Last year was the first year for my trees to fruit. They all had a few flowers on them the year before but only one of them made fruit. Last year they were covered in flowers and I got all the fruit I could eat. The tree that fruited twice is one of the weaker trees in the row. It seems to suffer from drought stress even after a rain or I have hand watered it and it starts to turn yellow months before the rest of them - so I'm not too sure it is healthy. Only a few of its branches bloomed a second time last year. I was grateful for late season fruit because I got to enter them in our state fair where they won a blue ribbon! Last year I left everyone alone and most of them formed clusters of fruit (sometimes as many as 5 fruit per cluster) and this kept the fruit small. This year I plan on thinning them to see if I can get larger fruit.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 22, 2015, 06:33:40 PM
Pawpaw flower buds swelling and getting close to flowers opening.




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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 26, 2015, 04:25:28 PM
just ordered gainesville 1 & 2 from www.justfruitsandexotics.com (http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com) (looks like I got the last of the gainesville)

also got collins....

I'm ready to see if I can get some fruits at my new location (gainesville is like 1.5hr north of here..not far at all)...I'm think cold enough and wet enough for sure!

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on February 27, 2015, 12:05:17 PM
just ordered gainesville 1 & 2 from [url=http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com]www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url] ([url]http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url]) (looks like I got the last of the gainesville)

also got collins....

I'm ready to see if I can get some fruits at my new location (gainesville is like 1.5hr north of here..not far at all)...I'm think cold enough and wet enough for sure!


I have flowers forming on my "mango" variety. I don't have anything to pollinate with this year but it looks like it is going to flower pretty nicely. I do wish I would have planted my new ones where they get shade in the afternoon but I'm going to leave them in full sun until I see how they do.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 27, 2015, 12:07:58 PM
Pollinate it with itself.

just ordered gainesville 1 & 2 from [url=http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com]www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url] ([url]http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com[/url]) (looks like I got the last of the gainesville)

also got collins....

I'm ready to see if I can get some fruits at my new location (gainesville is like 1.5hr north of here..not far at all)...I'm think cold enough and wet enough for sure!


I have flowers forming on my "mango" variety. I don't have anything to pollinate with this year but it looks like it is going to flower pretty nicely. I do wish I would have planted my new ones where they get shade in the afternoon but I'm going to leave them in full sun until I see how they do.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on February 27, 2015, 03:09:56 PM
I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Hello my friend! The seeds you sent me last year are from wabash variety? By the way, the seedlings are doing great!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 27, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
Glad to hear! Yes those seeds are from Wabash. That is the only variety that I have blooming and fruiting everything else is rootstock to me.

Ed

I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Hello my friend! The seeds you sent me last year are from wabash variety? By the way, the seedlings are doing great!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on February 27, 2015, 03:24:19 PM
Glad to hear! Yes those seeds are from Wabash. That is the only variety that I have blooming and fruiting everything else is rootstock to me.

Ed

I have not tried Allegheny. Wabash has been the best pawpaw fruit that I have tried out of all varieties that I sampled so far. I have seen the trees grow kinda slow till established then they take off after a couple years.

Ed
Hello my friend! The seeds you sent me last year are from wabash variety? By the way, the seedlings are doing great!  ;D

Thank's a lot!  ;D http://www.ohiopawpaw.com/PawpawProd.pdf (http://www.ohiopawpaw.com/PawpawProd.pdf)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on February 27, 2015, 10:17:21 PM
Great thread....thanks Ed for linking me over to it, and also thanks a ton for the pictures - that helps me a lot, as i've never seen the buds or flowers on a tree before, only fruit.

Newbie question - how long is the harvested pollen viable if kept in a sealed container? Or is the goal to immediately do the hand pollination when there is a favorable mix of mature and receptive flowers on the tree?




Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on February 28, 2015, 08:36:14 AM
No problem! Hope it can help folks successfully pollinate their pawpaw flowers.

I have stored pollen in the fridge for a couple days in a prescription bottle with good success. I haven't stored any beyond that time frame.

Ed
Great thread....thanks Ed for linking me over to it, and also thanks a ton for the pictures - that helps me a lot, as i've never seen the buds or flowers on a tree before, only fruit.

Newbie question - how long is the harvested pollen viable if kept in a sealed container? Or is the goal to immediately do the hand pollination when there is a favorable mix of mature and receptive flowers on the tree?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 03, 2015, 04:56:17 PM
just planted a few grafted paw paws in a wet spot....now maybe I'm thinking I made a mistake?

I dug a hole about 2 ft deep...and was distracted for about 30 minutes...when I came back to plant the tree in the hole, it was filled with water.

having heard that paw paws are flood tolerant, I said to myself, "Oh well, it can handle it"

now i'm reading some articles that say the paw paw is really weak when it comes to flood tolerance?

I guess we will find out who's full of shit...

I'm not digging the damn things up....it's up to them (the trees) to figure it out.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 03, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
Mr. Peterson was kind enough to get back to me after i sent him an email asking him how sweet his personally developed Paw Paws were in comparison to Cherimoyas. To be specific I asked him what were the Brix levels and this is what he replied back.

"I have brix on at least two:
 Shenandoah Pawpaw = 19%
 Susquehanna Pawpaw = 24%
 
Actually, I imagine that those bracket it for the other four, 19-24%
 
Do you grow cherimoya yourself, Christopher. Your scientific interest
 piques my interest.
 
Neal"


I'm so excited to hear that Paw Paws are just as sweet as your average Cherimoya if not Sweeter...Can't wait to pick up 3 of Peterson's Paw Paws!!!!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 04, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
Cool info, Clay. Lines up with my tastebuds - definitely a sweet fruit when ripe
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 21, 2015, 10:32:29 PM
my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
(http://s16.postimg.cc/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6jgnvbsg1/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: sanitarium on March 23, 2015, 10:10:07 AM
my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.cc/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft youīve used?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 23, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
https://vabf.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/neal-peterson-improved-varieties-of-pawpaws-for-virginia.pdf
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
yes. cleft..

also i've seen people use saddle and splice graft.

sure veneer would work too..and several other grafts.

my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.cc/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft youīve used?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 23, 2015, 11:54:19 AM
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.

freeze them for later use...eat a little of each to be well rounded with a wide variety of nutritional and medicinal benefits.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 23, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.

freeze them for later use...eat a little of each to be well rounded with a wide variety of nutritional and medicinal benefits.


Which fruits freeze well? I know Lychee taste amazing when Frozen, the drop in flavor is almost non existent...I wa shocked when i bought a bag of Frozen Lychee at how close it tasted to fresh Lychee.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 23, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
I don't know about whole fruits, but pawpaw pulp freezes well. It's also a star in homemade ice cream.

I'm excited that 3 of my seedlings are leafing out  - I managed not to kill them over their first winter!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on March 23, 2015, 02:43:22 PM
I don't know about whole fruits, but pawpaw pulp freezes well. It's also a star in homemade ice cream.

I'm excited that 3 of my seedlings are leafing out  - I managed not to kill them over their first winter!





Anthony, you should try your hand at grafting. Now would be the perfect time to gather cuttings from your favorite tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on March 23, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
lychee, mango and paw paw for sure...dragon fruit as well.
Definately looking to purchase 3 Peterson Paw Paws!!!!!!!! probably going to wait next year, The only thing thats upsetting about them, is they add to the fruits which coincide with my Mango Harvest....Pluots, Figs, Mangos, Dragon Fruit, Cherimoya....I cant eat them all at once.

freeze them for later use...eat a little of each to be well rounded with a wide variety of nutritional and medicinal benefits.


Which fruits freeze well? I know Lychee taste amazing when Frozen, the drop in flavor is almost non existent...I wa shocked when i bought a bag of Frozen Lychee at how close it tasted to fresh Lychee.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on March 23, 2015, 04:37:51 PM
yes. cleft..

also i've seen people use saddle and splice graft.

sure veneer would work too..and several other grafts.

my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.cc/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft youīve used?



Nice. Mine are starting to push already too. I really liked grafting them. The wood seemed nice and soft so getting good cuts was very easy. I ended up doing all whip and tongues. Assuming the grafts keep looking good I should have allegheny, shenandoah, Susquehanna, wabash, Collins, gainesvie 1 and mango. The mango is putting out a bunch of flowers now. Hoping to try a fruit this season.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ClayMango on March 23, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
yes. cleft..

also i've seen people use saddle and splice graft.

sure veneer would work too..and several other grafts.

my gainesville #1 paw paw had a few very small broken branches, and I just so happened to have a few paw paw seedlings that I planted this winter...that got weed whacked by the lawn mower man....I grafted them recently, and looks like one is taking!  I'll be excited if I have two gainesville #1 trees now!
([url]http://s16.postimg.cc/6jgnvbsg1/IMG_1142.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/6jgnvbsg1/[/url])


it is cleft graft youīve used?



Nice. Mine are starting to push already too. I really liked grafting them. The wood seemed nice and soft so getting good cuts was very easy. I ended up doing all whip and tongues. Assuming the grafts keep looking good I should have allegheny, shenandoah, Susquehanna, wabash, Collins, gainesvie 1 and mango. The mango is putting out a bunch of flowers now. Hoping to try a fruit this season.



Please give a nice review, would really like to here reports on named quality Paw Paws and not just random varieties.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 23, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
I don't know about whole fruits, but pawpaw pulp freezes well. It's also a star in homemade ice cream.

I'm excited that 3 of my seedlings are leafing out  - I managed not to kill them over their first winter!

Anthony, you should try your hand at grafting. Now would be the perfect time to gather cuttings from your favorite tree.
thanks for the encouragement, Bob. Not sure if my seedlings are ready for it...they are really thin, only a couple mm. They're not quite 1 year old yet, technically.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 08, 2015, 02:03:41 PM
the Gainseville #1 branches I grafted onto small inground seedlings, seem to have taken.

I guess it was a blessing that the branches broke!


(http://s9.postimg.cc/3ml9vb8zv/IMG_1315.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3ml9vb8zv/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/o7vg9h16z/IMG_1316.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o7vg9h16z/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on April 15, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Pawpaw Pollination

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/uff8x5uuz/10003635_10202956689870340_1405090699_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/uff8x5uuz/[/url])

This picture is of a pawpaw flower in the receptive stage. The petals are cut away to expose the sexual parts. The large green mass at the bottom is the immature anthers. There are 5 stigma protruding up through mass. If pollinated there is a possibility of 5 fruit. A flower with only say three stigma will develop only three fruit if all are pollinated.
When the petals are still green, the flower is not receptive (female). You want the petals to turn maroon (some green showing is okay). You want the stigmas to be swollen and glisten. The petals will be rather tight. The ball of anthers will be green and tight. When the flower changes to the male stage, the petals flare out more widely, petal color can be darker; the ball of anthers darken and loosen and begin releasing pollen.

The next picture is of a flower which is past the receptive stage and the anthers have matured. The green mass has turned gray and if you look closely pollen is on the petals. The problem is getting this pollen to flowers that are receptive.

([url]http://s16.postimg.cc/5f1arvght/10999250_10205319605501754_561334811396919495_n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/5f1arvght/[/url])

This is easy to do. Most flowers hang up side down. Simply take a small bottle such as a prescription bottle hold it under the flower and rake the anthers which contain pollen into the bottle. Be careful to not break off the stigma and ovary which is under the anther mass. Don't worry about separating the pollen from the anthers. Now take a Q-tip or tiny paint brush pull off some of the cotton, not all, Then twist into a smaller ball, dip into the pollen mix and touch to the stigma of receptive flowers. You will get anthers and pollen, but the flower doesn't care and the pollen will find the stigma. Pollen isn't available when the first flowers open due to the delay of maturing anthers. But again that is no problem as the bloom period is nearly two weeks. So don't try pollinating until several days after the first flowers open.


Thank you for the excellent pollination info--- maybe someday I'll get lucky enough to use it, such as when I visit Alabama!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: shah8 on April 26, 2015, 02:55:03 AM
Long way from any joy, but I have a Maria's Joy and a Susquehanna planted earlier this spring...

Ed, what would you say the difference was between Susquehanna and Wabash in terms of flavor?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on April 26, 2015, 08:40:40 AM
Discovered a volunteer paw-paw (?) growing too close to my greenhouse.  :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/Do48mOb.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/0xQnPKi.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 26, 2015, 09:01:29 AM
Looks like you found your self an A. pygmaea!


Discovered a volunteer paw-paw (?) growing too close to my greenhouse.  :-\

([url]http://i.imgur.com/Do48mOb.jpg?1[/url])

([url]http://i.imgur.com/0xQnPKi.jpg?2[/url])
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 26, 2015, 09:11:40 AM
I have only fruited Wabash so far from Peterson Pawpaws. I have several Susquehanna plants that should fruit next year. Wabash has been my all time favorite versus all of the older selected pawpaws. I have removed all varieties that I was growing and now only grow the Peterson selections. I have been told by several sources that i am going to like Susquehanna even better than Wabash. When they were all released years ago I bought all of the selections but Wabash was the only survivor and reliable producer for me. So we shall see I'm trying the other ones here in Central Texas now.

Ed
Long way from any joy, but I have a Maria's Joy and a Susquehanna planted earlier this spring...

Ed, what would you say the difference was between Susquehanna and Wabash in terms of flavor?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
Galka,

nice find!

save the seeds (or collect as many seeds as possible)

those wild pawpaws can be valuable for sale or trade!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on April 26, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
Galka,

nice find!

save the seeds (or collect as many seeds as possible)

those wild pawpaws can be valuable for sale or trade!
Sure, I will. I just looked and it seems the little guy got pollinated. Should I protect it from critters and how? Also maybe I should give it some kind of support. It's lying on the ground.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 26, 2015, 12:56:26 PM
yes, there are many ways to protect the fruits...

i would wait for them to get larger, and then try to protect them.

I've seen small bags used (usually breathable, mesh, or screen), or even the clam shell packages that you get strawberries (blueberries) in, from the store.

they can be clamped down right onto the branch tip, over the immature fruits.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Galka on April 26, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
Thanks for tips, Adam.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 29, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
Pawpaw grafts budding out!
(http://s1.postimg.cc/nxwgoxexn/11037500_10205844936394698_9156554423639215413_o.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nxwgoxexn/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 29, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
Pawpaw grafts budding out!
([url]http://s1.postimg.cc/nxwgoxexn/11037500_10205844936394698_9156554423639215413_o.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/nxwgoxexn/[/url])


tight work!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on April 29, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
Thanks Adam! These grafts were all done with buddy tape!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 01, 2015, 05:30:16 PM
http://m.deltafarmpress.com/orchard-crops/moving-pawpaws-mainstream (http://m.deltafarmpress.com/orchard-crops/moving-pawpaws-mainstream)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on May 01, 2015, 09:44:59 PM
I'm glad to hear that the kick start was sucessful.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 02, 2015, 12:24:04 AM
http://forestviewpawpaws.weebly.com/ (http://forestviewpawpaws.weebly.com/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Droshi on May 02, 2015, 12:24:17 PM
I have both mango and PA Golden varieties that I've planted in cloth pots. They are about a year old now. First year they didn't do much, and over the winter I thought maybe they were lost. But this spring they both leafed out nicely. In full Texas sun, and not watered very often, I'm thinking they must be pretty tough trees.

I'm planning to move, but once that's complete I'll be planting both of these, as well as getting 1-2 of each Peterson variety.

I believe I've read on Peterson's site, that grafts eventually die off in the long-run (~20-40 years?). Is that true of just pawpaw? Or most fruit trees? I suppose constant cultivation and grafting onto new root stock is what keeps them going. But if that's the case I may end up planting a small experimental orchard from seed as well.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 02, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
I don't see why pawpaw grafts would die off. The grafted scion becomes the tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Droshi on May 02, 2015, 12:59:39 PM
I think it was here I read:
http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/About.php (http://www.petersonpawpaws.com/About.php)

"In retrospect, it is clear that none of the fruit at Zimmerman's was of special quality (unlike the fruit later discovered at Blandy). That is not difficult to understand. The named cultivars in Zimmerman's collection would naturally have been grafted by Zimmerman from scion wood that cooperators mailed him. Forty years since Zimmerman's death is a long time in the life of a pawpaw tree. Doubtless the tops, the grafts, had died."

Like I say, not sure exactly the full meaning, but I guess I must have remembered that grafts eventually die off. Maybe it's unique to pawpaw, or maybe he meant in reference to something else.

Anyway, here's a pic of my 2 plants:

(http://s15.postimg.cc/7s8b94ptz/IMG_20150502_114106.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7s8b94ptz/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 02, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
I think he is referring to trees that are top worked. If you look at the ones that I cut the rootstock down to a few inches and a single trunk the grafted part is the tree
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Chandramohan on May 07, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Hello, Do pawpaw trees require chill to fruit?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 07, 2015, 08:06:18 PM
Most require chill hours. I know of some in Central Florida and southern Louisiana that aref fruiting regularly with very minimal chill hours.

Some of my grafts
(http://s10.postimg.cc/826hw6z6t/10688335_10205891966730427_930303448424269078_o.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/826hw6z6t/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on May 07, 2015, 10:26:47 PM
Yes, topworked trees of any kind need to be watched with hawk eyes, and need to be pruned, usually more than once a year, to make sure that the original tree doesn't produce water suckers and other vigorous growth--- otherwise, topwork grafts will be shaded over and starved out in rather short order.

Even normal low grafts can be subjected to similar circumstances--- when storms lean the tree sideways, or when pests or diseases or cold stress the top of the tree, suckers appear under the graft union, and usually grow vigorously.  If no one who knows what to do is looking, the grafts' tops cease to exist or at least become of little use.

I often find Citrus trees in such conditons in my new customers' yards.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 07, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
Here's a photo of an asimina triloba x asimina obovata cross getting ready to bloom.


(http://s28.postimg.cc/unpmm8ppl/IMG_20150507_132017_882.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/unpmm8ppl/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 08, 2015, 05:23:58 PM
Kentucky State advocates chip budding for pawpaw...I have never grafted anything in my life so not sure how much that's worth.

Ed - question for you....what kind of conditions do you keep your < 2 year-old seedlings in? I am particularly interested in how to shade them properly.
Last summer I kept my new seedlings under just some black cotton fabric and in a location that only received 1-2 hours direct sun on top of that. They seemed happy I guess.
I overwintered them in the house and they have of course leafed-out now, but they don't seem to be super-duper happy. They are in a bedroom that receives a decent amount of filtered afternoon sunlight, but these seedlings are only exposed to whats reflecting off the walls.

What do you suggest as the optimal shade material, etc?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 08, 2015, 05:39:56 PM
Yes pawpaws are very easy to chip bud. I just prefer using the whip or cleft graft.

I recommend you plant them in their permanent location and put wire cages around them wrapped in shade cloth. About 2 to 3 feet tall cages and let them grow out of the shaded environment on their own . Also with the cage you can temporarily place a piece of fabric over the top till they adjust to their new environment.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 08, 2015, 06:11:52 PM
Yes pawpaws are very easy to chip bud. I just prefer using the whip or cleft graft.

I recommend you plant them in their permanent location and put wire cages around them wrapped in shade cloth. About 2 to 3 feet tall cages and let them grow out of the shaded environment on their own . Also with the cage you can temporarily place a piece of fabric over the top till they adjust to their new environment.

Thanks! Stupid question, but is all shade cloth created equal? I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for.

Also not sure if I want to hold off and attempt to graft some of them. They are only maybe 4 mm thick at the thickest point of the base and maybe 10 inches tall max. Doesn't seem like they're ready to graft yet.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 27, 2015, 02:04:03 AM
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
(http://s30.postimg.cc/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tkg7sl1y5/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 27, 2015, 02:06:17 AM
Ballpoint pen for size comparison.
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tkg7sl1y5/[/url])



(http://s10.postimg.cc/44yw5fmb9/IMG_20150525_125646_038.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/44yw5fmb9/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on May 27, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
These grafts really grow fast. I grafted mine a few months ago and when I went to unwrap the tape they were already almost girdled. Now all of my grafts look like mushrooms from the tape constricting the growth.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: edself65 on May 27, 2015, 02:44:25 PM
I find pawpaws one of the easiest plants to graft!

Ballpoint pen for size comparison.
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tkg7sl1y5/[/url])



([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/44yw5fmb9/IMG_20150525_125646_038.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/44yw5fmb9/[/url])
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Jsvand5 on May 29, 2015, 07:00:51 PM
I find pawpaws one of the easiest plants to graft!

Ballpoint pen for size comparison.
I would get at least a 50% to 60%

Here's some 4 inch tall seedlings that I grafted.
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/tkg7sl1y5/IMG_20150525_125609_429.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/tkg7sl1y5/[/url])


Definitely. So far they seem even easier than apples. The only thing I have found that is easier is jujubes.


([url]http://s10.postimg.cc/44yw5fmb9/IMG_20150525_125646_038.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/44yw5fmb9/[/url])

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 29, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
i think i chose the perfect spots to plant the pawpaws at my house.

they haven't needed to be watered at all, and this has been one of the craziest, hottest months I can remember....like zero rain for the month of may, and consistent temps above 90F.

here is one of the collins pawpaws i recently got from just fruits and exotics...has flowers coming too.


(http://s24.postimg.cc/z544kc9ox/IMG_1964.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/z544kc9ox/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/yuwm0zv2p/IMG_1965.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yuwm0zv2p/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/sfxl4bocx/IMG_1966.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sfxl4bocx/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on May 29, 2015, 08:36:01 PM
Nice!

Is it Asimina triloba or Asimina parviflora?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 29, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
Nice!

Is it Asimina triloba or Asimina parviflora?

its one of 'em trilobed types I hear!

an official poor man's banana!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on June 06, 2015, 03:41:43 PM
I'm afraid my little pawpaw seedlings aren't too happy. I have half-neglected them, so I can't say I'm too surprised.

I have kept them watered and fertilized occasionally with DynaGro Grow. They are in a Pro-Mix type of medium, in soda bottles that are about 8-10 inches tall.
They germinated about a year ago. They grew great last summer in very shady conditions. I kept them indoors after they went dormant last winter, and they started leafing out a couple months ago.
Since then I have had them outside under a black cotton twill "tent" which I am realizing is extremely dark/shady.
The leaves are rather pale and some of them are curling (see pictures).

I'm thinking they need more light (but not full sun, they are just a year old as explained above). Does that sound right
?
they haven't grown hardly at all in the last 6 weeks. Also, thought it was odd that they emerged from buds on the side, not the tip...


(http://s23.postimg.cc/a89hbm3lz/IMG_5348.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a89hbm3lz/)

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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bob407 on June 06, 2015, 05:14:24 PM
Has the soil dried out a little?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on June 06, 2015, 05:47:02 PM
Has the soil dried out a little?

No, soil seems adequately hydrated:s
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on June 06, 2015, 07:28:05 PM
In heated green houses with grow lights, 3-gallon containers and lots of fertilizer and water, Pawpaws don't go dormant and can be over 5-feet tall in one year.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 06, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
In heated green houses with grow lights, 3-gallon containers and lots of fertilizer and water, Pawpaws don't go dormant and can be over 5-feet tall in one year.

thanks for the inspirational quote...

i've got a few seedlings from a tree that's supposedly very nice for eating...Bob407 gave it to me after his pawpaw hunting expedition in the TN area.

i'm going to keep them in the GH to give them a jump start.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: ScottR on June 25, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Wow, haven't been over here in temperate section for a while Nice information Ed, I grow a few varieties of a.triloba wells,sweet alice , sunflower and small Peterson variety. I've never seen ripe fruit of other asimina cultivars a. parviflora, a.pygmaea are the fruit of these cultivars as big as triloba? Great thread ;) 8)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on September 18, 2015, 09:56:07 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 18, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

congrats on growing this species, I really hope you are the first in your area to get them to fruit.

seedlings like shade until they are about 5-6ft tall

definitely can be killed by overheating as well.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 18, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

Awesome! are these from the seeds I sent you a long while ago?

I am planning to move my seedlings to full sun once they're about 18 inches tall.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: huertasurbanas on September 20, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

Awesome! are these from the seeds I sent you a long while ago?

I am planning to move my seedlings to full sun once they're about 18 inches tall.

yes! I am happy to read you :-D

Some of them are in the greenhouse of the foodforest, I will ask my friend for them, I hope they are alive
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on November 09, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
Update on some of the grafted paw paws I planted

The Collins paw paw has flower buds holding on, but they seem to defoliate during fall, after the heat of summer.

The Gainesville paw paw held all its leaves.

Praying that I get some fruit eventually...but I'm happy to have them as ornamentals if they don't produce
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on February 02, 2016, 01:13:36 AM
Well, stratification of my 35 wild-collected pawpaw seeds finished this weekend. I've soaked them in water at ~75 F for 24 hours and now I've put them in a container on a heat mat set to keep them at 75 F.

My understanding is that the seeds take a long time to germinate. My concern is that such a long period of time could allow mold to set in. Therefore, I've opted to use sphagnum moss as a germinating medium because of its antimicrobial properties. Once the seeds sprout, I will transfer them to tall containers filled with potting soil. Anyone know of any reason using sphagnum to germinate the seeds could be a bad idea?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: vlan1 on March 08, 2016, 10:37:10 AM
I was looking to add 1-2 Paw Paws to my budding collection of fruit trees and was dead sure on getting Peterson Varieties.  However I keep seeing a "newer" variety listed some places online that was released by KSU called "Atwood".  There doesn't seem to be much out there in terms of reviews and searches on here returned zilch.  Was just wondering if anyone would have some insight on this particular cultivar and would it be worth getting instead of a Peterson tree, or Pairing with a Peterson tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 09, 2016, 10:13:05 AM
I was looking to add 1-2 Paw Paws to my budding collection of fruit trees and was dead sure on getting Peterson Varieties.  However I keep seeing a "newer" variety listed some places online that was released by KSU called "Atwood".  There doesn't seem to be much out there in terms of reviews and searches on here returned zilch.  Was just wondering if anyone would have some insight on this particular cultivar and would it be worth getting instead of a Peterson tree, or Pairing with a Peterson tree.

I probably ate one 2 years ago at KSU but I don't remember anything about it LOL

yeah I've not heard anyone here mention they're growing it. I'm sure it's decent but in my mind the Petersons are still regarded as primo. (Just basing that on prevailing perception, not personal experience)

PS. KSU is on the cusp of introducing a new variety apparently
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: vlan1 on March 09, 2016, 11:03:02 AM


yeah I've not heard anyone here mention they're growing it. I'm sure it's decent but in my mind the Petersons are still regarded as primo. (Just basing that on prevailing perception, not personal experience)

PS. KSU is on the cusp of introducing a new variety apparently

Any linked info on this soon to be new KSU variety? or just word of mouth?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 09, 2016, 11:06:13 AM


yeah I've not heard anyone here mention they're growing it. I'm sure it's decent but in my mind the Petersons are still regarded as primo. (Just basing that on prevailing perception, not personal experience)

PS. KSU is on the cusp of introducing a new variety apparently


Any linked info on this soon to be new KSU variety? or just word of mouth?


http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/Fourth%20International%20Pawpaw%20Conference.htm (http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/Fourth%20International%20Pawpaw%20Conference.htm)    :D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on March 10, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
Unfortunately, the seeds I so diligently stratified have not germinated at all after a generous six weeks. I've got another batch coming out of stratification in a few days, but because they froze during shipping/sitting in the mailbox one night, I don't have high hopes for them either.As such, I've just about given up on the stratification project.

I broke down a few days ago and bought some bare-root whips online for a very reasonable price. Lets hope I have better luck with these. I'll also be keeping an eye out for flowers on local specimens around early April to see if I can pollinate a few more fruits this year with the hopes of harvesting seeds to distribute to prospective growers overseas.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 10, 2016, 11:10:14 AM
Unfortunately, the seeds I so diligently stratified have not germinated at all after a generous six weeks. I've got another batch coming out of stratification in a few days, but because they froze during shipping/sitting in the mailbox one night, I don't have high hopes for them either.As such, I've just about given up on the stratification project.

I broke down a few days ago and bought some bare-root whips online for a very reasonable price. Lets hope I have better luck with these. I'll also be keeping an eye out for flowers on local specimens around early April to see if I can pollinate a few more fruits this year with the hopes of harvesting seeds to distribute to prospective growers overseas.

I wouldn't give up yet - it can take 2-3 months for shoot to appear, as the plant spends a ton of time dropping a tap root. Especially if your pot is deep.

Ohhh but you didn't sow in deep pots, did you? Hmmm I think some have tried germinating in flats first but my understanding (and what I've done with 100% success rate) is the best method is to plant singly in a deep and narrow pot, such as a "tree pot" or homemade version thereof (PVC, soda bottles, socks)

P. S. For all the asiminaholics out there - there's a relatively new book out by Andrew Moore called Pawpaw. I just got my library to buy it and just started it. Looks to be a great read.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 10, 2016, 11:19:18 AM
I could probably send u a few seeds too if you want to try in deep pots. I have several cozily stratifying and ready to plant.  PM if u want.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on March 14, 2016, 09:17:31 PM
I really appreciate the offer, Triloba. Between the whips I just planted over the weekend, the seeds I just started, and the old ones, I should have my hands full this growing season.

I'll have to check out Moore's book, btw.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on March 19, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
Once again, I've put too little faith in these seeds.

I checked my first batch of pawpaw seeds that came out of stratification back in January this morning. To my extreme surprise and satisfaction, I found a little white taproot showing through the container! I immediately dug the little guy out of the sphagnum and gave him a new home in a nice, deep container full of mycorhizae-inoculated potting mix. I can't believe how long these guys take just to germinate; it's been nearly 50 days since these guys finished stratifying and right after I ordered and planted year-old whips, of course.

Anyway, I'm chalking this experiment as a success. With any luck he'll be ready to plant around late May. In the meantime, I'll be watching carefully for germination from the pecans or other ~50 pawpaws. Here's hoping this seed is the first of many to sprout.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 13, 2017, 03:25:57 PM
Today i saw that my two pawpaw trees have flower buds for the first time! I'm very excited and i will hand pollinate them. They are of Sunflower variety... will try to post pics later.  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 14, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
Today i saw that my two pawpaw trees have flower buds for the first time! I'm very excited and i will hand pollinate them. They are of Sunflower variety... will try to post pics later.  ;D

Awesome! How old are the trees?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 15, 2017, 10:36:18 AM
Today i saw that my two pawpaw trees have flower buds for the first time! I'm very excited and i will hand pollinate them. They are of Sunflower variety... will try to post pics later.  ;D

Awesome! How old are the trees?
I buy them 3 or 4 years ago but they were small.  :) I'm soo happy! I will buy more varieties grafted trees... very excited!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 15, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
With Luis giving us an update, I thought I would do the same.
I have 7 one-year-old seedlings that I've just brought out of winter storage in a friend's basement. They range from 9 inches tall to 20 inches. Seeds were from wild fruit. They are pretty thin - not even pencil thickness except maybe at the base of the tallest plant.
Not sure what i'm going to do with these. I may plant some in the ground soon or I may keep them in pots another year until they get grafting size.
My primary focus now is nurturing 72 seeds I planted at the end of January. I have 72 Treepots (14 inch deep) each planted with one seed.
Seeds are a mix of wild seed and seeds from named varieties like Susquehanna, Sweet Alice, Wabash, Sunflower, and the new KSU release Benson. I have some seeds that are just about to send up shoots. In the deep pots I think they take a bit longer while the taproot gets to the bottom. I plan to plant these in the spring of 2018 on my property. Trying to finally get my own mini-orchard! I am more excited by the roulette of seedlings than by buying or grafting named varieties.
I had some issues with the potting mix drying out and have lost some seeds. I definitely would make some changes to my setup if I did this again.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Citradia on March 16, 2017, 08:54:45 PM
My favorite paw paw is Rebecca's Gold. It's a big yellow fruit and very yummy, maturing a few weeks before the native variety which is about half the size overall but almost just as good. I've planted seeds in 5 gallon pots that I leave outside under the shade of an old wisteria vine arbor, and pretty much leave them to nature except for watering with hose when watering other stuff. They come up in summer and stay there in light shade for s few years until ready to plant out in the sun when about two feet high or better. Maintenance free fruit trees. Fabulous.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 17, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
My favorite paw paw is Rebecca's Gold. It's a big yellow fruit and very yummy, maturing a few weeks before the native variety which is about half the size overall but almost just as good. I've planted seeds in 5 gallon pots that I leave outside under the shade of an old wisteria vine arbor, and pretty much leave them to nature except for watering with hose when watering other stuff. They come up in summer and stay there in light shade for s few years until ready to plant out in the sun when about two feet high or better. Maintenance free fruit trees. Fabulous.
I like that approach! I am definitely a tinkerer/worrier/obsessive. I get antsy if I'm not doing something to the plants. Admitting it is the first step to recovery, right? :)
I am getting better at it.
I have heard of Rebecca's Gold but never tasted. Do you ever share scions?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 10:32:36 AM
My favorite paw paw is Rebecca's Gold. It's a big yellow fruit and very yummy, maturing a few weeks before the native variety which is about half the size overall but almost just as good. I've planted seeds in 5 gallon pots that I leave outside under the shade of an old wisteria vine arbor, and pretty much leave them to nature except for watering with hose when watering other stuff. They come up in summer and stay there in light shade for s few years until ready to plant out in the sun when about two feet high or better. Maintenance free fruit trees. Fabulous.
That's interesting. I read somewere that variety was not so good. Of course i understand that the same variety can give great fruit on one variety and poor ones on other location. 
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 10:34:03 AM
By the way what varieties consistently are the best ones? Thank's!  :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
A lot of varieties here: http://exoticsouth.ru/208c.Azimina.htm (http://exoticsouth.ru/208c.Azimina.htm)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 17, 2017, 04:24:37 PM
And more here: http://www.pepinieredubosc.fr/asiminiers/ (http://www.pepinieredubosc.fr/asiminiers/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Citradia on March 17, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
Triloba tracker, I've never shared scions or tried propogation other than planting seeds. I'm hoping to try grafting some trifoliata hybrids onto some trifoliata seedlings in the future. Other than that, I figure my native paw paws and mountain ash and native crabapples will do just fine the natural way by seeds. Cheap and easy that way too.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 17, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
By the way what varieties consistently are the best ones? Thank's!  :)


The patented varieties from Neal Peterson are generally/widely regarded as superior. Neal says his Susquehanna selection is his favorite. I have had some of these fruits and I have to say they are pretty amazing. Firm texture, low seed:flesh ratio, very smooth and intriguing flavor. A Susquehanna won Best Pawpaw at the 2016 International Pawpaw Conference. (you can also check the ohio pawpaw festival for their list of past winners.) www.petersonpawpaws.com (http://www.petersonpawpaws.com)

Overleese is an old classic that has also won contests. Sunflower is popular. I've heard bad things about Wilson. KSU Atwood was a favorite at the International Conference.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 18, 2017, 07:06:43 AM
By the way what varieties consistently are the best ones? Thank's!  :)


The patented varieties from Neal Peterson are generally/widely regarded as superior. Neal says his Susquehanna selection is his favorite. I have had some of these fruits and I have to say they are pretty amazing. Firm texture, low seed:flesh ratio, very smooth and intriguing flavor. A Susquehanna won Best Pawpaw at the 2016 International Pawpaw Conference. (you can also check the ohio pawpaw festival for their list of past winners.) [url=http://www.petersonpawpaws.com]www.petersonpawpaws.com[/url] ([url]http://www.petersonpawpaws.com[/url])

Overleese is an old classic that has also won contests. Sunflower is popular. I've heard bad things about Wilson. KSU Atwood was a favorite at the International Conference.
Thank's a lot for your reply! And do you know anything about Prima, Mango and Georgia varieties? Thank's!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on March 18, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
Thank's a lot for your reply! And do you know anything about Prima, Mango and Georgia varieties? Thank's!
Don't know a lot, unfortunately.
Prima I believe was a variety selected/bred in Italy (?) Could be way off. I do think it's a European variety at least. Don't know anything about its quality.
Mango is one you see a fair amount of here in the US. That doesn't necessarily mean it's good though :) I think it's probably at least average or above average.
I have never heard of Georgia. There were several varieties on one of the websites you posted that I have never heard of  :o

I know there are many other folks hiding here on the forum who are more experienced with named cultivars than I am :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 18, 2017, 10:07:39 AM
Thank's!  :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on March 19, 2017, 12:05:28 PM
Sunflower Pawpaw trees starting to flower for first time


(https://s3.postimg.cc/a57yax273/IMG_20170319_122655.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a57yax273/)



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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: shaneatwell on April 11, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
I found my dwarf pawpaw. Anyone know what age growth flowers form on? Like new growth vs year old, etc?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 11, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
I found my dwarf pawpaw. Anyone know what age growth flowers form on? Like new growth vs year old, etc?

From my experience with wild trees, flowers form on old wood, not new growth.
Im sure someone more experienced with their own trees can confirm.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 15, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
My first paw flowers


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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: sildanani on June 24, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Just purchased a Asimina seedling from a local nursery. ;D It was a surprise that they had them since they mainly carry hybrid flowers. :o I'm unsure of the age. I guess around a year from seed?
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Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on June 26, 2017, 10:42:19 AM
Yes that looks to be about a year old seedling. Here's a couple of seedlings that came up for me about a month ago:

(https://s9.postimg.cc/a390b2xa3/pawpaw_seedlings.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a390b2xa3/)

I'm having a good year so far with my pawpaw trees.  I had tons of blooms that I hand pollinated and got a decent fruit set. My KSU Atwood seems to have the largest and most fruit.



(https://s1.postimg.cc/698rg7p3f/pawpaw_fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/698rg7p3f/)



(https://s1.postimg.cc/xi14o99nf/pawpaw_cluster.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xi14o99nf/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on June 27, 2017, 04:52:31 AM
Congratulations! They are very good looking!  :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: sildanani on June 28, 2017, 05:34:50 AM
Yes that looks to be about a year old seedling. Here's a couple of seedlings that came up for me about a month ago:

(https://s9.postimg.cc/a390b2xa3/pawpaw_seedlings.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a390b2xa3/)

I'm having a good year so far with my pawpaw trees.  I had tons of blooms that I hand pollinated and got a decent fruit set. My KSU Atwood seems to have the largest and most fruit.



(https://s1.postimg.cc/698rg7p3f/pawpaw_fruit.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/698rg7p3f/)



(https://s1.postimg.cc/xi14o99nf/pawpaw_cluster.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xi14o99nf/)
Very nice! I may try to grow from seed as well. I can't believe I live in Ohio where they grow and I've never tried to grow them or eat them. Same goes for maypop. I've gotta go to the pawpaw festival up in Albany, Ohio sometime. ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on June 29, 2017, 09:21:20 AM
Thanks! This is the first year for fruit set on my KSU Atwood so I'm pretty excited to finally be able to taste it later this year. I just have to make sure no critters get to the fruit before I do. Last year I built little cages around my Potomac fruit to protect them from squirrels which were very effective but cumbersome. This year I'm going to try heavy duty aluminum screening to wrap around the fruits. I do have a few traps around the yard also. I'll be sure to post updates.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 09, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Hello everyone! I already have two sunflower, 1 prima, and two small wabash. I have 3 more spaces and i'm thinking on mango, overleese and NC1. I'm choosing on big fruit, few seeds and great flavour with no bad aftertaste. Any sugestions? Good choice? Thank's!  ;)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 09, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
Hello everyone! I already have two sunflower, 1 prima, and two small wabash. I have 3 more spaces and i'm thinking on mango, overleese and NC1. I'm choosing on big fruit, few seeds and great flavour with no bad aftertaste. Any sugestions? Good choice? Thank's!  ;)
And now i found belle, lady d, convis and sibley varieties...  Totally confused!  ???
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 10, 2017, 12:39:55 PM
Hello everyone! I already have two sunflower, 1 prima, and two small wabash. I have 3 more spaces and i'm thinking on mango, overleese and NC1. I'm choosing on big fruit, few seeds and great flavour with no bad aftertaste. Any sugestions? Good choice? Thank's!  ;)
And now i found belle, lady d, convis and sibley varieties...  Totally confused!  ???

Hmm i've never heard of Belle, Lady D, or Sibley. Where are you seeing those? Do they offer any information about them?

Of the first 3 you mentioned, if it were me, I would choose Overleese. I believe it is in the lineage of many of Neal Peterson's patented varieties, which are considered the best. I believe Overleese has won best pawpaw at Ohio Pawpaw Festival at least once.
That being said, I believe NC-1 and Mango are respectable varieties too.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 10, 2017, 12:41:39 PM
Thanks! This is the first year for fruit set on my KSU Atwood so I'm pretty excited to finally be able to taste it later this year. I just have to make sure no critters get to the fruit before I do. Last year I built little cages around my Potomac fruit to protect them from squirrels which were very effective but cumbersome. This year I'm going to try heavy duty aluminum screening to wrap around the fruits. I do have a few traps around the yard also. I'll be sure to post updates.
Do you have pictures or can you describe the cages you built in the past? And/or if you have updates on your attempts with aluminum screening.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on July 10, 2017, 01:01:11 PM
I believe the Sibley variety is from central or southern Louisiana, and therefore described as having lower chill-hour requirements than most others.

I haven't heard of any experimental demonstration of actual differences in chill-hour requirements among varieties of Pawpaw.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 10, 2017, 02:03:37 PM
I believe the Sibley variety is from central or southern Louisiana, and therefore described as having lower chill-hour requirements than most others.

I haven't heard of any experimental demonstration of actual differences in chill-hour requirements among varieties of Pawpaw.
There are so many varieties that is very confusing to choose...  ;) There are descriptions here: http://www.growables.org/information/TropicalFruit/pawpawvarieties.htm (http://www.growables.org/information/TropicalFruit/pawpawvarieties.htm)
 
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 11, 2017, 06:25:49 AM
Rare paw paw varieties on Europe: http://www.kwekerijdezoetewei.be/Fruit_pawpaw.php (http://www.kwekerijdezoetewei.be/Fruit_pawpaw.php)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 11, 2017, 09:50:56 AM
By the way, for how long a paw paw tree can produce properly? Thank's!  :)

Edit: I think i will choose the following pawpaw var to have: Wabash, Sunflower, Prima 1216, Mango, Green river Belle and Susquehanna. Any comments? Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 11, 2017, 07:02:05 PM
Great article: http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles45a50/article48-Asiminier-Asimina-triloba-Pawpaw.html (http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles45a50/article48-Asiminier-Asimina-triloba-Pawpaw.html)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on July 11, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
Luisport getting pawpaws to grow, get established and fruit has taken me much longer than other fruit trees. In the process of trying to get my trees going I've lost a lot of large barerooted orders of grafted pawpaws. They just hate having their roots disturbed and don't take transplanting well. I've had better luck with planting pawpaw seedlings in the ground and later grafting them over when they are large enough and established.  My best tree so far has been my KSU Atwood that is taking off and setting a lot of fruit after 4 years in the ground. My Potomac is doing well and took about 5 years to fruit. I have a large Rappahannock and Prima that are still taking their time fruiting after being in the ground for maybe 7 or 8 years? I have a Mango pawpaw that I've had longer than that which is supposed to be vigorous. It was was doing pretty well but I had to dig it up and relocate it in the yard 3 years ago. That almost totally killed it but it is now finally making its way back and fruiting. I almost ordered a Green River Belle this spring but decided to try for the third time to get a Susquehanna pawpaw established in my yard. I considered Sunflower at one point but kept hearing about the bitter aftertaste it sometimes has so I passed on that variety. The other ones you chose sound good.  Hopefully you'll have better luck than me getting your pawpaws growing.

Triloba Tracker here is a picture of one of the cages I built around some fruit. It's hard to tell but it does have a top that can close and completely enclosed and protect the fruit. It is a little overkill so I am going to use the heavy duty aluminum screening to make protective fruit sacks like people use for some of their tropical mango fruit.

(https://s23.postimg.cc/z6qg3u53r/pawpaw_cage.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/z6qg3u53r/)



(https://s17.postimg.cc/fnkdx5zvv/pawpaw_screen.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fnkdx5zvv/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 05:33:59 AM
Hi eyeckr! Thank's a lot for share your experience. That's good to know they don't like to be transplanted. I will try to choose the best place for them. I'm dying to eat one paw paw fruit and i hope i will have fruit from my two sunflower trees. This year they got flowers for the first time but they falled. I'm totaly obcessed by paw paws they really seams a must to have!  :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 12, 2017, 09:46:24 AM
I'm totaly obcessed by paw paws they really seams a must to have!  :P

Love it! You sound like me. I'm nuts about them too, but not just because of the experience of eating them.
As obsessed as I am, ironically pawpaw is not my favorite fruit for eating. Maybe not even in my top 5.
For me it's a bigger thing, like the fact that it's native to North America, grows wild right here in my "backyard," the history of it, even just the appearance of the trees. Also I'm drawn to the potential that seems to exist in the fruit - knowing that there's room for more improvement and selection I guess.
Your situation reminds me of myself when i first got excited about pawpaws. It was a while until I actually was able to taste one!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 11:22:07 AM
I'm totaly obcessed by paw paws they really seams a must to have!  :P

Love it! You sound like me. I'm nuts about them too, but not just because of the experience of eating them.
As obsessed as I am, ironically pawpaw is not my favorite fruit for eating. Maybe not even in my top 5.
For me it's a bigger thing, like the fact that it's native to North America, grows wild right here in my "backyard," the history of it, even just the appearance of the trees. Also I'm drawn to the potential that seems to exist in the fruit - knowing that there's room for more improvement and selection I guess.
Your situation reminds me of myself when i first got excited about pawpaws. It was a while until I actually was able to taste one!
Hi! Thank you for your words. I don't know regarding the flavour, but i already have a big sunflower paw paw tree and it's the most beautifull tree i have, and i have a lot! I imagine when it get fruits...  :P
By the way, how much years one paw paw tree can give fruits?
Another thing, my final paw paw list is besides the ones i already have: sunflower, prima and wabash, is to get overleese, mango, susquehanna, sibley, halvin, tollgate, and belle.  ;D Totaly adicted!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=d8CKs5S74v8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=d8CKs5S74v8)

Paw Paw- The Strongest Anti-Cancer Plant?
As if those arenít enough, Paw Paw bark may be of the strongest anti-cancer substances out there, sharing similar traits to the now-famous, exotic South American Graviola tree leaves and twigs (the tree that produces the Soursop fruit). In fact, a large-scale Purdue University study found that it had the strongest anti-cancer abilities of any such fruit/plant on the North and South American continents, even more than soursop/graviola in vitro.
 

Two studies published in 1997 by a Purdue University researcher Dr. Jerry McLaughlin, who has published more than 330 scientific papers and secured several patents for his work, and a doctoral student, and found that compounds in the bark of the tree showed preliminary success in fighting against drug-resistant cancers.

ďThe Paw Paw compounds are not only effective in killing tumors that have proven resistant to anti-cancer agents, but they also seem to have a special affinity for such resistant cells,Ē an article on the Purdue News website noted.

Over 40 anti-cancer compounds were found in Paw Paw bark, although McLaughlin noted that cancer cells are very complex and difficult to kill in humans. A follow-up study was undertaken, but not enough has been done as of yet to determine the ultimate effects in humans.
http://althealthworks.com/1134/the-health-benefits-of-paw-paw-vitamins-minerals-and-possible-anti-cancer-effects/ (http://althealthworks.com/1134/the-health-benefits-of-paw-paw-vitamins-minerals-and-possible-anti-cancer-effects/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 12, 2017, 02:16:39 PM
i'm not sure...see if you can find anything on pawpaw.ksu.edu, but i might say between 10-15 years production once it starts fruiting?

I have heard commercial orchard operators talk about decline after 15 years or so. I have also heard a story about a "huge, old" pawpaw tree that used to fruit but no longer does.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 12, 2017, 02:19:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Sj49BE55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Sj49BE55s)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 17, 2017, 07:19:35 PM
Here are my babies.....planted on January 30. A couple in the back are 2nd year seedlings. They are in the 14 inch Treepots, to give you an idea of their size.

(https://s3.postimg.cc/6c1ynprz3/IMG_8856.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6c1ynprz3/)

(https://s3.postimg.cc/6q3anbc2n/IMG_8857.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6q3anbc2n/)

Here are some pics of the area I am prepping to plant them next spring. about 750 square feet that was previously covered with privet and invasive bush honeysuckle.
after killing back all the nasty stuff, prepping the area via sheet mulching

(https://s11.postimg.cc/8f4rbty1r/IMG_8804.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8f4rbty1r/)

(https://s11.postimg.cc/y1viiucgv/IMG_8806.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y1viiucgv/)

(https://s11.postimg.cc/i289ljr1b/IMG_8808.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i289ljr1b/)

(https://s11.postimg.cc/v53w4th9b/IMG_8858.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v53w4th9b/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 18, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
Thank you for your pics. I'm very very enthusiastic about this fruit tree and the variability on flavour regarding this fruit. I'm shure that leaves and bark will be used on industry to make insecticids and anti-cancer drugs. Another thing i see that will expand is the comercialization of freezed pulp, ice cream, jams, alcoolic beverages like paw paw beer... The possibilities of this tree is amazing!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: eyeckr on July 18, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
Thanks for sharing the pictures. With all that hard work your pawpaw grove will do great. Your seedlings look very healthy and will be ready for grafting in no time.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 20, 2017, 09:50:02 AM
A paw paw fruit farm in Switzerland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPGmo-paawc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPGmo-paawc)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 21, 2017, 05:54:49 AM
I'm on the way to get one potomac paw paw tree!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 21, 2017, 09:51:55 AM
I'm on the way to get one potomac paw paw tree!  ;D
By the way, anyone tryed or have potomac pawpaw?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 21, 2017, 11:04:36 AM
Great pawpaw ebook: https://books.google.pt/books?id=Nt41CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA260&lpg=PA260&dq=potomac+pawpaw+fruit&source=bl&ots=WGxGbakcdY&sig=FRGx1YGdwy9qIA9HPUg8usa3rhA&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKqKG0yprVAhXG7xQKHSwrBbQ4ChDoAQggMAA#v=onepage&q=potomac%20pawpaw%20fruit&f=false
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 23, 2017, 11:13:09 AM
Just got two more trees: Susquehanna and Shenandoah! Collection is growing fast!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: maesy on November 15, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.

Marcel
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on November 16, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.

Marcel

Welcome to the forum!! Itís great to have another pawpaw enthusiast here.

Iím curious - how did you first learn about asimina triloba?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 16, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
Hi everyone

I have just registred today on this forum.

Thanks Luis, I've been reading here many times before especialy in the hardy citrus board.

Back to the topic, according to the link of the asimina farm in Switzerland, I have heard of such farms here, but this paticular one is in south tyrol, which is a german speaking province of northern italy at the austrian border.

I myself have two trees in my garden. A sunflower and a overlese. Maybe 10-12 years old, and we love the fruits too.

Marcel
That's great you register here! This forum is the best and you will learn a lot!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: maesy on November 18, 2017, 05:31:43 PM
For the first time I have read about paw paws in german forums maybe at least 10 years ago.
At that time, I could not find a supplier here in Switzerland. After searching hard, I found a nursary in eastern austria from where I could order two plants.

My country is not big, therefore many of my plants come from many different countries.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 18, 2017, 08:14:12 PM
Triloba Tracker, Nice work on the grove , and the potted plants look really healthy. Please keep us updated as your project progresses.

I have about 7 paw paw seedlings of different seedling varieties and 100 seeds stratifying in the fridge for spring. The fruits are really tasty!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on November 20, 2017, 10:13:20 PM
Thanks, Bush!
Hereís hoping they make it through the winter. I m keeping them in the pots over winter and planting in spring. That had always been my plan but briefly considered planting this fall. Several folks said to plant in fall but more and more authoritative ( if thatís possible) people said spring gives highest degree of success.
Canít remember if I mentioned that Iím adding 5 grafted trees: Atwood, Benson, Shenandoah, Mariaís Joy, and Lehmanís Chiffon. Probably going to save a spot or two for selected seedlings of Overleese, Jerryís Big Girl, Al Horn, or Summer Delight which I plan to start in February.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on November 21, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
Thanks, Bush!
Hereís hoping they make it through the winter. I m keeping them in the pots over winter and planting in spring. That had always been my plan but briefly considered planting this fall. Several folks said to plant in fall but more and more authoritative ( if thatís possible) people said spring gives highest degree of success.
Canít remember if I mentioned that Iím adding 5 grafted trees: Atwood, Benson, Shenandoah, Mariaís Joy, and Lehmanís Chiffon. Probably going to save a spot or two for selected seedlings of Overleese, Jerryís Big Girl, Al Horn, or Summer Delight which I plan to start in February.
That's great! Your pawpaw orchade is growing fast!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on December 21, 2017, 01:45:38 PM
I'm addicted to collecting more cultivars....if I had the space, I would be bent on getting every available cultivar, I bet!

I just ordered 2 more:
KSU 4-1
Susquehanna

Ordered from Nolin River Nursery in Kentucky. nolinnursery.com (http://nolinnursery.com)

I'm extremely excited about KSU 4-1. This was by far the best pawpaw i tasted at the International Pawpaw Conference in 2016. Distinct pineapple notes on top of rich caramellyness. Wonderful texture to boot.
This is not without some risk, though - a commercial grower in Ohio that I know is trialing several 4-1 trees. He was ready to chop them down this year after every one of the fruit split. So.......????

Not sure why the cultivar has not been named. A bit of mystery around its availability and lack of formal name.

Susquehanna was the second best fruit I tasted at the conference and one actually won the best pawpaw contest there. (if I remember correctly). Can't go wrong with it (though many say it's susceptible to phyllosticta).
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on January 17, 2018, 06:12:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNueFX6LHJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNueFX6LHJ8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2ATxcXWGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2ATxcXWGs)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on January 17, 2018, 06:15:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bu9PsMTuU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bu9PsMTuU)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on January 17, 2018, 12:11:44 PM
Very interesting, Luis! So cool to see her so excited about pawpaws. Based on her other videos, sheís quite into growing exotics!
One of her most recent videos shows her trees looking gorgeous- I hope I can match that someday.
Also interesting that she apparently successfully transplanted from the wild. Though I believe other forum members have reported success with this.
Iíve been to pawpaw orchards but her trees look so big that It almost makes me concerned about my planned spacing of 6 feet

But man, pawpaws are just gorgeous trees!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on January 17, 2018, 01:26:57 PM
Very interesting, Luis! So cool to see her so excited about pawpaws. Based on her other videos, sheís quite into growing exotics!
One of her most recent videos shows her trees looking gorgeous- I hope I can match that someday.
Also interesting that she apparently successfully transplanted from the wild. Though I believe other forum members have reported success with this.
Iíve been to pawpaw orchards but her trees look so big that It almost makes me concerned about my planned spacing of 6 feet

But man, pawpaws are just gorgeous trees!
Hi! Yes they looking great! Pawpaws are so beautifull... and have delicious fruits is just amazing!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: googer on February 03, 2018, 12:53:37 PM
2017 was a discouraging year for my pawpaws. My huge crop of seeds from fall 2016 had abysmal germination rates. 8-10 successful germinations out of at least 200 seeds. I suspect this was because I left the seeds in the fridge too long, spending 5-6 months in the refrigerator while I went to Spain last winter. And during the fall this year, those few trees that grew were cut down by a hungry squirrel who was looking for nuts among my baby pecan trees. I was left with a single surviving pawpaw seedling, which I have used as a guinea pig for an experiment.

I took my lone survivor inside and grew him on the windowsill away from any savage squirrels for the remainder of the 2017 growing season. When his leaves fell off, I put him in the refrigerator for 6 weeks in order to simulate winter and achieve the 1000 chill hours required to break dormancy in deciduous trees. The lone survivor went into hibernation in mid November and on Christmas evening I took him out. For a month, nothing happened despite his pampered existence sandwiched between bright growing lights and a toasty heating mat. I thought his stint in the fridge might have killed him after two weeks of nothing, but I soon saw an encouraging glimmer of green life underneath the thick pubescence of his terminal bud. Now that bud has finally broken, giving proof that the last pawpaw of 2016 still lives. This fridge-induced hypersleep cut the seedling's dormancy down to about a third of its normal duration, giving him a 2-3 month head start on the 2018 growing season over the wild pawpaws here. This was a resounding success and I'm going to have to try it with all of my fruit and nut trees.

https://i.imgur.com/j8Jb9bw.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/j8Jb9bw.jpg)

My 2017 seed have finished stratifying, and so far their germination rates are very encouraging. I'm already seeing 40% germination on my first batch of pawpaw seeds. Looking forward to a much better year for pawpaws in 2018.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on February 03, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
Goog,
Sorry to hear about the issues you had. Thatís quite a lot of adversity to endure! But sounds like you are bouncing back quite admirably.
I can relate somewhat- I think I posted here somewhere that last year my germination was awful too. I lost so many seeds that were really important to me.
I like what you did with your lone survivor. Not surprising to me that he survived the fridge. Thatís what nurseries do. If you were able to give it 16 hours of light daily, it mayíve woken up sooner.

My current dilemma is with my stratified seeds. The ďbusiness endĒ of the seeds where the root emerges (where the seed sac was attached) has darkened and to varying degrees ďdecayedĒ or receded. This happened last year too. In previous years I canít say I noticed one way or the other, but it caught my eye last year. I had the aforementioned bad germination so thought it may be related (though I had other major issues last year too).
After thinking and experimenting a bit, I am nearly convinced the issue is partial or early stage desiccation.
I have the seeds in moist peat moss in ziplocks, but maybe itís not moist enough. I was worried about rotting the seeds with *wet* peat but maybe I went too far. ...

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on February 03, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
Making sure that the trees that produce the seeds are well mineralized--- fertilized with plenty of Calcium and Potassium and Boron and Zinc, and everything else that they need, could, theoretically, produce a higher percentage of viable embryos.

And, definitely, avoid dessication of the seeds.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on February 04, 2018, 02:08:00 PM
Thanks, Har! Makes sense.

Also for the record, here is what my seeds mostly look like after a few months of stratification:

(https://s18.postimg.cc/6qz9d1uth/seed.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6qz9d1uth/)

I've had a couple of pros tell me they've never seen the likes of it! hahahha Doesn't make me feel too good.
For this year obviously there's nothing i can do but hope for the best.
But I would like to solve the issue for future years. Still my best hypothesis is not-moist-enough peat moss in the baggies.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 22, 2018, 04:32:56 PM
My bigest sunflower pawpaw tree is full of flowers now, and the other sunflower pawpaw have flowers too! I'm so happy, just hope to have fruit for the first time and eat them for the first time ever!  :P
It's the second year they flower...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 22, 2018, 10:47:02 PM
Thatís awesome, Luis! Good luck getting some tasty fruits.
Well, my ďorchardĒ is finally in the ground after a few years of planning and preparation.
I converted a scrubby area of my yard that was covered in privet and bush honeysuckle.
I cheated a bit and planted about 6 feet apart in 2 staggered rows. Maybe 8 feet between the rows. I just had to plant as many trees as possible.
Here are the trees:
Grafted:
KSU - Atwood (hidden springs nursery)
KSU - Benson (hidden spgs)
Lehmanís Chiffon (hidden spgs)
Mariaís Joy (Englandís Nursery)
Shenandoah (Englandís Nursery)
KSU 4-1 (Nolin River Nursery)
Susquehanna (Nolin River)
Seedling trees I grew:
Sunflower (3)
Susquehanna (4)
Wabash
KSU 4-25 ďPina ColadaĒ
KSU 4-1
ďOld HickoryĒ (wild selection)

The trees from Nolin River weíre by far the healthiest and most impressive of the grafted trees. Great value considering the size too. Would definitely buy from them again if I had more room.

I had originally planned to plant all seedlings (I have more in pots) but decided to go 50/50 grafted to ensure I have at least some exceptional fruit.
However, I am more excited about the seedlings and waiting to see what they do. All but the Old Hickory are open crosses of top cultivars so they should be pretty good, and possibly phenomenal.
The trees I didnít plant will be used as rootstock - Iím trying to find room to plant around 6 more trees.
I also have seedlings just getting started from Lehmanís Delight, Al Horn, and Old Hickory. These were started as insurance against losses over the summer.

I put crude shade structures around all the seedlings but have left the grafted trees in full sun.
 So far everything looks pretty good except one seedling tree which seems a bit unhappy. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 23, 2018, 03:44:26 AM
WOW! Impressive my friend! Congratulations.
The flowers on my tree are starting to fall. I think i have to start to make hand pollination...  :-[
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 23, 2018, 05:48:54 AM
The flowers are falling, even some that are not open... maby it's because it's hot weather...  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 23, 2018, 07:54:22 AM
Oh I'm sorry! I don't know much about flowers dropping. It may be that they are still "practice-flowering" and just aren't ready yet to set fruit.
Or as you said it could be heat or dryness. Generally speaking pawpaws don't like to be dry....
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 23, 2018, 11:08:22 AM
Oh I'm sorry! I don't know much about flowers dropping. It may be that they are still "practice-flowering" and just aren't ready yet to set fruit.
Or as you said it could be heat or dryness. Generally speaking pawpaws don't like to be dry....
He is not dry because it rains a lot on last two months... She is so big and gives a lot of flowers... maby too much. But if i don't get fruit from my trees i will buy fruit from Switzerland or Check Republik!  :-[
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 29, 2018, 09:04:16 AM
 ;D ;D ;D I don't want to jump too soon, but i think this time i will be lucky with my pawpaw! I already have 6 flowers that were polinated. They already loose the petals, mantain the green part in the middle of the flower and continue in the tree without falling. I'm very happy and praying to get pawpaws for the first time!  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 29, 2018, 10:02:53 AM
;D ;D ;D I don't want to jump too soon, but i think this time i will be lucky with my pawpaw! I already have 6 flowers that were polinated. They already loose the petals, mantain the green part in the middle of the flower and continue in the tree without falling. I'm very happy and praying to get pawpaws for the first time!  :P :P :P

Sounds awesome! Best wishes for success this time.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 29, 2018, 10:07:56 AM
;D ;D ;D I don't want to jump too soon, but i think this time i will be lucky with my pawpaw! I already have 6 flowers that were polinated. They already loose the petals, mantain the green part in the middle of the flower and continue in the tree without falling. I'm very happy and praying to get pawpaws for the first time!  :P :P :P

Sounds awesome! Best wishes for success this time.
Thank's! This time i put the fruit and vegetable fiber that result from my morning juices to atract fruit flies and spread sugar on tree branches and soil to atract ants and i think this was important to make the polination...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 24, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
Welp, so much for the Nolin River trees being anything to write home about. My KSU 4-1 tree from them has died. The Susquehanna (like the 4-1 before it died) has about 2 inch leaves and has been stuck in that state for 2 months.

Seems like all the literature is true - bare-root pawpaws just is NOT the way to go.

All my container-grown trees are doing well, especially the seedlings.
One of my Sunflower seedlings has grown over 3 feet since being planted. Others are not far behind.

I will replace the dead 4-1 with some of my grafts this year which have done very well. I have 2 Jerry's Big Girl (winner 2017 Best Pawpaw at the Ohio Pawpaw Festival), 2 Rebecca's Gold, the aforementioned "Old Hickory" and another semi-wild selection (planted tree of unknown origin).
I also have a seedling of Lehman's Delight and Al Horn i hope to plant next spring.

Then I think i will finally call it quits!

P.S. I think after my experience so far, I would recommend shading all newly-planted trees, seedling or grafted, with 50% shade cloth for the first year.
I kept my grafted trees in full sun - they are alive and have new growth, but they don't seem as happy as the seedlings in the shade.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 17, 2018, 12:15:23 PM
My Sunflower Pawpaw trees. They are big but no fruits yet...


(https://s22.postimg.cc/8pqr04aul/pawpaws_sunflower.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8pqr04aul/)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on August 17, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
My Sunflower Pawpaw trees. They are big but no fruits yet...


(https://s22.postimg.cc/8pqr04aul/pawpaws_sunflower.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8pqr04aul/)

Oh wow those look great! Especially the big one, youíd think itíd have fruit based on its size. Do you have other cultivars that flower, for cross pollination?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 17, 2018, 04:10:37 PM
My Sunflower Pawpaw trees. They are big but no fruits yet...


(https://s22.postimg.cc/8pqr04aul/pawpaws_sunflower.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8pqr04aul/)

Oh wow those look great! Especially the big one, youíd think itíd have fruit based on its size. Do you have other cultivars that flower, for cross pollination?
Hello my friend! No for now just this two sunflower, but they are self fertile and i got several small fruits that falled with some time. It was the first time she fruited so i think next year they will get fruits to mature. The other pawpaws are small for now...  ;)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on August 17, 2018, 05:50:46 PM
Ok, right....i thought you would mention the self-fertile quality of the Sunflower.

I think there is some doubt as to whether it truly is self-fertile. That could be part of the issue with the fruits failing.

Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 17, 2018, 05:52:43 PM
Ok, right....i thought you would mention the self-fertile quality of the Sunflower.

I think there is some doubt as to whether it truly is self-fertile. That could be part of the issue with the fruits failing.
They got a bit big, so i think it is self-fertile...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on August 17, 2018, 06:05:53 PM
Good deal! You may prove once and for all if itís  true :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 17, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
Just hope so!  ;)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 19, 2018, 09:18:56 AM
Here is the bigest forum about pawpaw on Europe: http://www.kiwiforum.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31 (http://www.kiwiforum.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: NateTheGreat on September 03, 2018, 12:11:13 PM
(https://s22.postimg.cc/w001ktuy5/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/w001ktuy5/)

I thought my pawpaw was just setting buds for the spring, but this one definitely looks like it's opening now. This tree flowered this spring as well, though only three flowers. Is this normal, and if not, does anyone know why? The spring flowers didn't set fruit.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 04, 2018, 10:19:56 AM
(https://s22.postimg.cc/w001ktuy5/image.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/w001ktuy5/)

I thought my pawpaw was just setting buds for the spring, but this one definitely looks like it's opening now. This tree flowered this spring as well, though only three flowers. Is this normal, and if not, does anyone know why? The spring flowers didn't set fruit.

I donít know - thatís interesting.
I can only speculate that perhaps the tree is confused by a lack of chill hours this past winter....?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: NateTheGreat on September 05, 2018, 11:25:20 PM
I got them this spring, so I can't say for sure whether they got chill hours last winter, but I'm pretty confident they did.  That one was the biggest and had tiny buds on it, which opened after I planted it. The weather's been cooling off so I think the trees are less stressed, and I did just give them a thin layer of chicken manure, so I can understand why it might seem like a good time to flower if I were a tree, but I didn't think it could just flower whenever. Also it's on this year's growth, so technically this section of the tree didn't get chill hours. Or maybe it doesn't work that way. I don't think I'll get to see if it can hold fruit over the winter though, since this is the only one flowering.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: coyote on September 09, 2018, 05:40:40 PM
One of my pawpaws apears to have been eaten by insects which is a bit strange since I thought insects mostly left pawpaws alone due to the compounds in the leaves (https://s15.postimg.cc/lwv93ozff/20180909_143619.jpg)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 09, 2018, 06:34:39 PM
That stinks!
Well, generally they are pretty free from major pests, but yes there are definitely things that eat the leaves.
I donít know what they are but there are little ďwormsĒ that look like tiny twigs that eat the leaves. These can be very hard to find and kill but they like to sometimes dangle off leaves and stems.

Also there are leaf rollers that will roll up parts of leaves with webbing and emerge to eat leaves.

The most well known pawpaw leaf eater is the zebra swallowtail butterfly larva. However, in 3 years growing pawpaws, Iíve never seen one. In the woods Iíve only ever seen one of these caterpillars.

I had similar idea that pawpaws were basically immune, based on things Iíd read. But theyíre glossing over the truth a bit. I think what these publications are trying to convey is there are no MAJOR pest issues. Like, the things listed above generally are just annoyances, not doing significant damage.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on September 09, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
The leaf rollers/branch webbers do cause major damage.  I observed this in northeastern Alabama.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: coyote on September 10, 2018, 12:15:42 AM
Thanks for the responses...so far only one out of 12 seedling trees is being attacked and I see no sign of a current infestation so I'm just going to roll with it unless I see issues again next year
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 10, 2018, 09:13:16 PM
The leaf rollers/branch webbers do cause major damage.  I observed this in northeastern Alabama.

I stand corrected. And by way of pure coincidence, a friend in Indiana just mentioned he has "Asimina Web Worm" infestation in a couple of his healthiest trees.
So yes there can be pest and disease issues for sure - don't believe some of the hype that these are miracle trees.
Actually there is a buzz happening this year around pawpaws coming down with Black Spot fungus (like on roses), which seems like a new phenomenon. In fact, some of my young trees got it.
But it's nothing like trying to grow Peaches in Tennessee, where you have to spray constantly for hope of any harvest.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 18, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
([url]https://s22.postimg.cc/w001ktuy5/image.png[/url]) ([url]https://postimg.cc/image/w001ktuy5/[/url])

I thought my pawpaw was just setting buds for the spring, but this one definitely looks like it's opening now. This tree flowered this spring as well, though only three flowers. Is this normal, and if not, does anyone know why? The spring flowers didn't set fruit.


http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15345.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15345.0)

In this older thread I see TriangleJohn reported a branch re-flowering in the fall. So, I guess this is not without precedent. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on October 29, 2018, 12:09:34 PM
I just got my new book about asimina triloba: In search about America forgotten fruit. Great book it seams!  ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 29, 2018, 12:29:01 PM
I just got my new book about asimina triloba: In search about America forgotten fruit. Great book it seams!  ;D

Cool! Yeah itís pretty interesting. A lot of it is more like a travel blog but the author seems to have done a great deal of research and weaves that in.
The adventures of Neal Peterson are so intriguing!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 01, 2019, 03:44:31 PM
Jerry Lehman has died
Lounge
 
alan
7m
Say a prayer of do whatever you do to celebrate the life of a man who contributed much to the improvement of paw-paws and shared his love for them generously.

Just got word from NAFEX of his passing a week after heíd experienced a bad farm accident. I have no details beyond that, except that he was 82 years old, which is still young for a person of the soil.
https://growingfruit.org/t/jerry-lehman-has-died/21284
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 01, 2019, 04:22:48 PM
Are we sure this is accurate? Not seeing anything in a google search except someone of the same name who died over a year ago.
Not the same Jerry.

The link you shared requires a log in - can you post any further updates or ....?

If it is true, this is really really terrible news.
Jerry has produced some of the absolute best pawpaws and persimmons in the world.
I was set to receive more pawpaw scions from him this year even.
Iím glad I was able to meet him a few times.
A sad day.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 01, 2019, 05:06:46 PM
I created an account on GrowingFruit.org in an attempt to see the post and discussion but it still will not allow me to access that link.

It seems to be in the "lounge" area of that forum, but that must be invite-only or something. It's not visible to me.

Please post more info if you're able, Luis......thank you
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 01, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
I created an account on GrowingFruit.org in an attempt to see the post and discussion but it still will not allow me to access that link.

It seems to be in the "lounge" area of that forum, but that must be invite-only or something. It's not visible to me.

Please post more info if you're able, Luis......thank you
Hello my friend! Yes i post it because i think it's true...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 01, 2019, 06:15:00 PM
Thank you, Luis. Do you know why I canít access that post on GrowingFruit? Iím logged in...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on April 01, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
I saw an announcement today, of his passing, on Facebook, with a picture of Lehman receiving an award from Pomper.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 01, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
I saw an announcement today, of his passing, on Facebook, with a picture of Lehman receiving an award from Pomper.

Thank you for confirming, Har.

Jerry has some great pawpaw selections that routinely won at the Ohio Festival and other competitions. I hope someone can take up the mantle.

But of course the focus now is on his family in their grief.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 02, 2019, 11:47:22 AM
Thank you, Luis. Do you know why I canít access that post on GrowingFruit? Iím logged in...
Hi! It take some time to get access to everything on forum...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on April 02, 2019, 02:37:02 PM
https://growingfruit.org/t/jerry-lehman-has-passed/21310/2

Open thread about it...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: pvaldes on April 03, 2019, 09:46:44 AM
I think there is some doubt as to whether it truly is self-fertile. That could be part of the issue with the fruits failing.

Sunflower is only partially self-fertile, received a lot of hype because it was the first with this trait and you definitely can obtain a few fruits in an isolated tree, but the presence of a pollinator would make a huge improvement. Prima is the main truly self-fertile variety and notorious for that. Is widely accepted as an "improved sunflower" and it was created as a selection of sunflower seeds in fact.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 03, 2019, 09:51:12 AM
I think there is some doubt as to whether it truly is self-fertile. That could be part of the issue with the fruits failing.

Sunflower is only partially self-fertile, you definitely can obtain a few fruits in an isolated tree, but the presence of a pollinator would make an huge improvement. Prima is the main self-fertile variety, one of the few in that group and notorious for that.

Good deal! What is your opinion of these two varieties, in terms of flavor and fruit size?
Also, are you growing many pawpaws there in Spain?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: pvaldes on April 03, 2019, 10:32:45 AM
I have a Prima but is still too young to bear fruit. Has a few flower buds developping (so far so good). With some luck I will taste it this year.

I was evaluating to buy another variety this year, as different in flavour, size and color as possible, but is a little late to buy online probably. All that remains available near my area is mango and prolific. Prolific is in the same genetic line as Susquehanna so it could worth it
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 03, 2019, 11:20:24 AM
Hope you get fruit from your Prima this year!

I donít think Prolific is related to Susquehanna. See link below which is a presentation from Neal Peterson. Prolific was a seedling selected by Corwin Davis. Neal did not use seeds of Prolific in his work as I can tell, according to his charts.
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/PDF's%20of%20Powerpoints/2016%20KSU%20conference%204th%20International.pdf (http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/PDF's%20of%20Powerpoints/2016%20KSU%20conference%204th%20International.pdf)

Susquehanna was a seedling from an unknown tree at Blandy Experimental Farm.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: pvaldes on April 03, 2019, 12:03:02 PM
had read it somewhere, lets see...

Ok, I was wrong, is Shenandoah, not Susquehanna.

Prolific, Overleese and Shenandoah are genetically close.
NC-1 and Rebecca's gold are "twins". Even more closely related (both are in a different group than the former three).
And Davis and Taytwo form also its own clade.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on April 17, 2019, 06:20:10 AM
Just for information, I do have Prima since several years, and do have experiences on it. So if anyone have still some questions please feel free to ask.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Shade protection for my pawpaws.Its made of construction fiber glass net thats put in 2 layers.Works great for me.(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq91B9RP/IMG-20181031-124108.jpg) Sapranthus Palanga also known as Asimina Foetida .Its a tropical annonaceae quite similar to A Triloba.Pictures are not mein but i wanted to share this as i think its interesting; I think this could probably be crossed with A triloba . (https://i.postimg.cc/VkVKkYvp/sapranthus.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/02tfV8Yj/sapranthus-p.jpg)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 17, 2019, 03:20:43 PM
Whoa cool pictures! I have never researched A foetida

Shade cloth looks good. I use 50% shade cloth bought in bulk from Greenhouse Megastore.com. I love it - easy to cut and doesnít color unraveled. Donít know how long it would last - I only use it for a year (summer)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: pvaldes on April 18, 2019, 08:01:38 AM
Are those fruits tasty?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on May 12, 2019, 09:47:31 AM
My bigest sunflower pawpaw tree, fruiting for the first time!
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/7J2J5yNm/DSC-0186-resized-20190512-095908749.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7J2J5yNm)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0twJNtp/DSC-0187.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0twJNtp)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/t73X4T38/DSC-0190.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t73X4T38)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 12, 2019, 11:56:34 AM
Very nice, Luis! Congratulations!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on May 12, 2019, 12:26:49 PM
Very nice, Luis! Congratulations!
Thank you my friend! Just hope they stand... but i think so!  ::)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on May 14, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
This year ive quit the fiberglass cloth and im using shade cloth.Altough somme trees are quite big ,ive planted them this year and im still keeping them protected from sun for a year or so.The tall one in the middle its Prima,the 2 in the back are Sunflowers and the 2 small ones on the sides in the front row are seedlings.They all like the shade.(https://i.postimg.cc/GhmvwR9R/20190514-133223.jpg)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 14, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
Nice!
Yeah, last year I planted several seedlings and several grafted pawpaws.
I only shaded the seedlings.
My conclusion is that the grafted ones wouldíve done better with shade too.
So this year I shaded all my new plantings (13 more trees).
I think itís the way to go, though I know many who just throw the trees into the sun.

I may make a video tour of my place soon. Been thinking about it.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on May 30, 2019, 09:02:47 AM
Today ,Sterculius ( the roman God of manure  :D) visited my pawpaw trees.Its verry fresh cow manure mixed with water 50/50 .Each tree got 2 litters of this and immeditly after i wet them with half a bucket of water each to spread and disolve even better the fertiliser. (https://i.postimg.cc/K8Z6pKJZ/20190530-130442.jpg)
Here its my ,,prima,, pawpaw and from the last visit from Sterculius it had grown somme 25 cm or more leaves. (https://i.postimg.cc/jdydNJkv/20190530-132309.jpg)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 30, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
Whoa, very interesting! I can only imagine the fragrance  ;D

Iíve not done much work with manure but have always thought fresh manure would burn plants.
Cow manure I guess is not very ďhotĒ compared to other manures....
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: pvaldes on May 30, 2019, 09:56:19 AM
diluted is more safe
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on May 30, 2019, 05:18:54 PM
Altough it looks like nightmare,it doesnt smell bad and diluted its safe.I only use the fresh type because it contains a lot more nitrogen than composted or dryed manure.I could buy cheap urea or ammonia nitrate fertiliser instead of fresh manure ( wich isnt easy to get,i have to go like 2 km away with a wheelbarrow and a showel to steal it from somme cows).But i prefer the fresh manure instead of pellet fertiliser because the pellet fertiliser its veŕry dangerous explosive stuff.My grandfather used to buy big bags of ammonia nitrate and i felt like having a lot of TNT around the house.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on June 07, 2019, 01:54:33 PM
Sunflower pawpaw fruits... for the first time!!!   ;D
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/s1qp1FgY/DSC-0274-resized-20190607-063913450.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1qp1FgY)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/bZ8S2qct/DSC-0273-resized-20190607-063936735.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZ8S2qct)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/8FzFtwCk/DSC-0271-resized-20190607-064008059.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FzFtwCk)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/f3yLxLHJ/DSC-0270-resized-20190607-064044993.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3yLxLHJ)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on June 07, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
Very cool!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on June 07, 2019, 02:17:08 PM
Thank's!  ;)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on June 23, 2019, 02:42:36 PM
My Sunflower pawpawfruits growing...


(https://i.postimg.cc/tZX0B6Ls/DSC-0325-resized-20190623-071854828.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZX0B6Ls)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pptx1Py4/DSC-0326-resized-20190623-071926334.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pptx1Py4)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/7GYzwBFw/DSC-0327-resized-20190623-071953947.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GYzwBFw)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 31, 2019, 04:55:38 AM
Sunflower pawpaws... i count 7 fruits in one tree.   ;D
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyHxGR27/DSC-0455.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyHxGR27)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Xphqdsk/DSC-0456.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Xphqdsk)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/c6Q5BGHM/DSC-0458.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6Q5BGHM)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/kD9LZgLh/DSC-0459.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD9LZgLh)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on July 31, 2019, 12:51:31 PM
Cool, Luis!

Interesting that they are all single fruits, none are in clusters of multiple fruits.
Did you thin the clusters?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on July 31, 2019, 01:21:22 PM
Cool, Luis!

Interesting that they are all single fruits, none are in clusters of multiple fruits.
Did you thin the clusters?
I think its because the sunflower its self polinating and only self polinated to make just one.With hand polination he would get more fruits from each flower.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 31, 2019, 06:08:03 PM
Cool, Luis!

Interesting that they are all single fruits, none are in clusters of multiple fruits.
Did you thin the clusters?
Hello my friend! No i didn't...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on July 31, 2019, 06:09:24 PM
Cool, Luis!

Interesting that they are all single fruits, none are in clusters of multiple fruits.
Did you thin the clusters?
I think its because the sunflower its self polinating and only self polinated to make just one.With hand polination he would get more fruits from each flower.
Do you think so? It's the first time i get fruit... maby on next years i will get clusters...
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on July 31, 2019, 07:01:46 PM
@SeaWalnut: Thanks for sharing thoe great pictures of Sapranthus planga (Asimina foetida). Do you have this plant in your collection or know anyone who hae this? I would like to do Trials concerning crossings with Asimina trioba. Dried pollen or seeds would be great. On the other side I would be able to send dried Asiminia Pollen or seeds to anyone who have Sapranthus palanga in his collection -for doing ..
pollination trials.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on July 31, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
@ Luis,it made just one single fruit per flower because altough its selfpollinating,its not verry successfull at selfpolination.But with time it will make more flowers wich will atract polinators and it will make soo manny fruits like this tree in the video( its a sunflower,look at minute 4).https://youtu.be/Xi-4mgdUuuI (https://youtu.be/Xi-4mgdUuuI)
@ Usirius,i dont have any Saphranthus sp but i know one that sells seeds ( the only source).The seller doesnt have the  one thats caulyflorous i think( makes the fruits on the trunk),but i might be wrong.It caught my attention because its soo closely related to Asimina that it was called Asimina  and interesting crosses should be easyer to make.https://www.seedshuntershop.com/store/products/270908 (https://www.seedshuntershop.com/store/products/270908)
As for the cherimoya seedling i have,il take clear pictures and post them in your forum in a day or 2.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 01, 2019, 07:52:57 AM
@ Luis,it made just one single fruit per flower because altough its selfpollinating,its not verry successfull at selfpolination.But with time it will make more flowers wich will atract polinators and it will make soo manny fruits like this tree in the video( its a sunflower,look at minute 4).https://youtu.be/Xi-4mgdUuuI (https://youtu.be/Xi-4mgdUuuI)
@ Usirius,i dont have any Saphranthus sp but i know one that sells seeds ( the only source).The seller doesnt have the  one thats caulyflorous i think( makes the fruits on the trunk),but i might be wrong.It caught my attention because its soo closely related to Asimina that it was called Asimina  and interesting crosses should be easyer to make.https://www.seedshuntershop.com/store/products/270908 (https://www.seedshuntershop.com/store/products/270908)
As for the cherimoya seedling i have,il take clear pictures and post them in your forum in a day or 2.
WOW this video is really impressive! A lot of fruits in this tree! Thank's!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on August 04, 2019, 10:07:21 PM
First pawpaws of 2019!

Just picked today from trees in a city park. (Intentionally planted seedling trees)

Pretty early stuff.


(https://i.postimg.cc/0brhrkGM/40-F721-F2-82-C3-4-C51-87-C3-BDDBAF7-EDBFB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0brhrkGM)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 05, 2019, 04:00:12 AM
First pawpaws of 2019!

Just picked today from trees in a city park. (Intentionality planted seedling trees)

Pretty early stuff.


(https://i.postimg.cc/0brhrkGM/40-F721-F2-82-C3-4-C51-87-C3-BDDBAF7-EDBFB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0brhrkGM)
WOW! Soo soon! How lucky you are!   ::)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on August 11, 2019, 05:51:32 PM
Finishing off these fruits today, I found that one of them had a faint but unmistakable floral flavor, specifically: violet.
I have encountered many subtle flavors in pawpaws like pineapple, butterscotch (distinct from caramel), cinnamon, melon, and even durian. But a floral flavor is a first for me.
The Peterson selection Tallahatchie is reported to have a floral flavor. I wonder if itís violet!
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on August 12, 2019, 03:15:30 AM
Finishing off these fruits today, I found that one of them had a faint but unmistakable floral flavor, specifically: violet.
I have encountered many subtle flavors in pawpaws like pineapple, butterscotch (distinct from caramel), cinnamon, melon, and even durian. But a floral flavor is a first for me.
The Peterson selection Tallahatchie is reported to have a floral flavor. I wonder if itís violet!
WOW! Pawpaw is soo interesting!   :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on August 12, 2019, 09:01:15 AM
Finishing off these fruits today, I found that one of them had a faint but unmistakable floral flavor, specifically: violet.
I have encountered many subtle flavors in pawpaws like pineapple, butterscotch (distinct from caramel), cinnamon, melon, and even durian. But a floral flavor is a first for me.
The Peterson selection Tallahatchie is reported to have a floral flavor. I wonder if itís violet!
WOW! Pawpaw is soo interesting!   :P

It really is.....every fruit tastes different, it seems. Even on the same tree or the same cluster, there can be differences. I don't have a lot of experience (i.e. over many seasons) comparing specific cultivars, but i wonder even if the cultivars truly maintain their purported flavors or if pawpaws will always be pretty variable (with a basic flavor baseline of course).
God allowing, I'll be able to observe my own trees over the years and i will have an answer to this question :)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: NateTheGreat on September 11, 2019, 10:56:52 PM
My first pawpaw flower of the (next) season has opened. Another of my pawpaws had a fall flower last year, and most of them have buds now, which may open soon. My loquat is also about to flower, oddly.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rzK5R8SG/IMG-20190911-185520820.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rzK5R8SG)


Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on September 15, 2019, 02:50:12 PM
I just eat another small one and this time i think it was perfectly ripe, because it was just worderfull! So sweet and tropical, with a pudding textureÖ My God i want to plant a forest of tem!   :P :P :P
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on September 17, 2019, 03:22:48 PM
Awesome, Luis!

I am really excited today because i discovered one of my seedling trees (Sunflower mother) has its first flower buds!
I planted the seed in February of 2017. So, after 3 growing seasons it has formed its first flower buds.

The tree is over 6 feet tall and about 4 feet wide with multiple branches and dense leaves (I will post a picture soon).
I think it is big enough to hold fruit if it chooses to :)  so, next year perhaps I will have fruit from this tree.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on September 19, 2019, 06:16:19 AM
@Triloba Tracker

This is a really very early flowering Paw Paw tree"

My long time experience concerning watching fruit bearing age of Asimina triloba is that age is not the main influence....age alone does not tell us much about a Paw Paw tree, to what extent it is able to grow and ripen fruit. Age alone is not the only decisive factor for the size of the tree and the formation of branches and branches. However, what can be said about free-standing trees and at least half-shady to sunny locations is that the tree usually bears fruit from a trunk thickness as high as a male thumb. 

Then a comment to the topic variation of the taste of Paw-Paw-fruits .- also on one and the same tree: It has an influence whether the fruit has grown and matured in a shaded area on the tree, or in the sun. In the sun, in my experience, the fruit is more aromatic. Likewise, if the fruit hung alone, it would be more aromatic, as if several competing fruits hung in close proximity to the same branch. And last but not least, the fruit quality of the living tree can vary from year to year, depending on whether the season was hot and dry, or rather wet and cool.

What are your experiences?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on October 16, 2019, 05:50:13 AM
Just got 3 new pawpaws. One Sibley, one Convis and one PrimaÖ    ;D
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 16, 2019, 08:22:41 AM
Whoa!
Iíve never heard of Sibley. There are lots of ďhomegrownĒ varieties out there though.
What do you know about it?
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Luisport on October 16, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
Thank's!    ;D

"Convis" is one of those varieties that too originate in the fields of Corwin Davis in Michigan. Its big fruit weighs in average 400g and has distinctively yellow pulp. It usually ripens in the beginning of October (in Michigan area).

"Sibley" Native to Michigan, very productive fruits are big, they weigh about 400g, yellow pulp.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on October 16, 2019, 02:11:08 PM
There is a Sibley's Greenhouses in Louisiana that selected several extreme southern varieties of Asimina triloba, several decades ago.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 16, 2019, 04:04:36 PM
There is a Sibley's Greenhouses in Louisiana that selected several extreme southern varieties of Asimina triloba, several decades ago.
Ahhh yes. I noticed that while googling right before your post.
Seems like Sibley is an uncommon variety these days.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on October 16, 2019, 08:31:48 PM
Awesome, Luis!

I am really excited today because i discovered one of my seedling trees (Sunflower mother) has its first flower buds!
I planted the seed in February of 2017. So, after 3 growing seasons it has formed its first flower buds.

The tree is over 6 feet tall and about 4 feet wide with multiple branches and dense leaves (I will post a picture soon).
I think it is big enough to hold fruit if it chooses to :)  so, next year perhaps I will have fruit from this tree.
My Prima ,when i bought it ,2 years old and 1 meter tall , had a flower allready.
Prima is known for fruiting in pots .
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Francis_Eric on October 17, 2019, 07:10:42 AM
There is a Sibley's Greenhouses in Louisiana that selected several extreme southern varieties of Asimina triloba, several decades ago.
Ahhh yes. I noticed that while googling right before your post.
Seems like Sibley is an uncommon variety these days.

I wish They market this (cultivar name) stuff Better
Like southern Sibley

According to the ( Tyler )Halvin pawpaw he Thinks there are too many cultivars coming out
just nurseries making up names (i've heard)

I think it is good to get bio diversity , but I can see that happening
same old Flavor same old characteristics  ,
but I really do not know about the different cultivars
just saying I could see Nurseries taking advantage (of something new)

I heard of another From Berea KY (I've been to that college, and someone mentioned eating it )
turns out that one changes color when it is ripe
(called Golden moon)

[quote author]



Big, golden yellow fruits with excellent flavor and texture. We came across this apparent seedling pawpaw discovered around Berea College in Berea, KY. It stood out immediately due to the fact that it was just loaded with dozens of plump, attractive, impressive sized fruits (6-12+ ounces) and the ripest fruit literally had turned this beautiful and distinct golden-yellow color. This is called a ďcolor breakĒ to pawpaw researchers and is a very rare and desirable trait that lets you know exactly when to harvest the ripe fruit. Golden Moon fruits are very thick, custardy and have a delicious, very sweet flavor with a light yellow colored flesh. The few seeds are easily removed. Low seed weight. Very productive, tree gets loaded with fruit. Unlike any other pawpaw weíve come across. Overall a very productive, excellent quality and hardy pawpaw to add to any collection.[/quote]
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 17, 2019, 07:32:16 AM
Yes lots of nurseries have their own varieties like Lehmanís Chiffon from Hidden Springs or Super Mario from ... I forgot where.
Golden moon another one from Peaceful Heritage.

I donít know how I feel about it. There are hundreds of mango varieties, so why not pawpaws? I agree that at this point in pawpaw evolution (so to speak) the differences may be minor. But as someone who has found some good wild trees and who has several young seedlings, Iím hoping one or more may be something unique and maybe worthy of a name.
But I would not just put something out there that hasnít been evaluated by other people and/or grown and tested too. So maybe the answer is make sure your stuff is at least reasonably tested.

EDIT - i would add: over-hyping a new selection i think is a concern and should be avoided. I've sent cuttings of a wild selection to a few people but i have been very deliberate in not acting like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is a shame in my opinion when nurseries or catalogs greatly exaggerate things. If the fruit is that good, get other people to confirm it and then the fruit will speak for itself. That's my theory.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Francis_Eric on October 17, 2019, 08:21:05 AM
There is one in Canada that mentions growing  - 40 F (we've had polar a vortex, and they survived ) 
This site could be hype (it's been a while , but last I read I seemed like Marketing BS)

I am not as  concerned of the cold climate, but not ripening, in those Humid less climates. (isn't it)
so selections that ripen up sound promising to breed even higher North . (or use as a breeding tool for others .)

("taylor made") (taylor) seems to be their trade mark for seed grown plants that adapted
would be great if all this stuff adapted (I could believe , but the marketing turns me off)
At least their against GMO's

https://www.greenbarnnursery.ca/collections/cold-hardy-exotics/products/paw-paw-taylor (https://www.greenbarnnursery.ca/collections/cold-hardy-exotics/products/paw-paw-taylor)

Thanks for letting me know of sibbley
 Brought 5 four feet tree's that where bare root to (NOLA) Louisiana (to ship)
 (unfortunately never got them from where I left them at the firehouse)

Har do you know If I use Northern root stock will that be bad for Putting Sibley on In Northern Louisiana .
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Francis_Eric on October 17, 2019, 09:00:27 AM
We Should start a pawpaw, cultivar list hahaha ,
(and what they taste like, and where they were tasted season picked etc.)

Red fern Farm, Wapello Iowa
 has Regulus, Atria, Betria seedlings of Peterson cultivars
Shensus Pawpaw Seedlings: These seedlings have either Shenandoah or Susquehanna as their mother tree and Shenandoah or Susquehanna as the pollinizer tree. Seedlings of their crosses have produced some outstanding new genetics (Regulus, Atria, Betria)

I plan to visit them In Iowa, but too late for pawpaws (maybe Michigan has some in October)

Found this a while ago Paw paw resource page
https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dailey/pawpaw.html (https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dailey/pawpaw.html)
see photo section for bigger pictures
 a lot of different names I never heard in picture below
This just makes me want to get that big one with 4 seeds maybe next year.

(https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dailey/pixs/pawpaw/37024.3.7.70.0.0.512.768.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Guanabanus on October 17, 2019, 08:06:55 PM
Trying to observe root-stocks' differing influence is always an interesting challenge....
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on October 18, 2019, 01:55:58 PM
Really amazing and worth reading information contributions of the last days!

Yes, I also think that classifying PawPAw fences can be very subjective. I find it difficult, even though I have been cultivating several Paw Paw varieties for 30 years, if I only see the fruit, especially if the size and shape of the fruit are untypical for the variety, and they also occur, to determine the variety, and in my opinion the state of ripeness has a very big influence on the fruit taste! The best fruits are still those that are fully ripe (and not provoked by a wind or storm) and fall from the tree.

For me, besides a strong aroma, the number of kernels, the fruit size and the ripening time are also a criterion. It would be nice, of course, if - as Francis_ said before - the PawPaws wouldn't grow so big, so that you could plant more in a smaller space. So not too large growing specimens would also be a desirable breeding goal - in addition to different ripening times to be able to extend the period of harvest - early ripening varieties would also be interesting in colder regions with shorter seasons.

Another possibility would be to grow PawPaws with more decorative flowers just because of their ornamental value, such as plum varieties that have stuffed or particularly pink flowers and little or no fruit formation. These are also planted here and there! Another variant would be to select PAwPAws with particularly decorative leaves, perhaps also variegata-Frmen or red-leafed forms....  Or maybe...such PawPaw selections already exists anywhere, and this is not or hardly known so far??
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bartacomus on October 22, 2019, 08:53:29 AM
Do PawPaw graft well?  I started my KSU seeds this year.. i wouldnt call them vigorous. But, theres no place to get fruit around here. 9a Texas.

i know this goes against the Fruiting Tree prime directive.. but it breaks my heart having to wait a decade to eat my own fruits.



While on the subject.. i just wanted to say im a tropical and fruiting tree 13th stepper......... (<--- joke)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 22, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
I can't compare grafting pawpaw to grafting other trees because pawpaw is all i've ever done.

But as a pretty big novice, I'd say they graft well. Nothing is going to be 100%.

Scions are collected late winter and folks tell me that grafting is best done when temps are reliably in the 80s (here that equates to May).

There are some who suggest pawpaw grafts are shorter-lived than I guess other trees. Maybe only 15 years or something. But I honestly don't know.

There is also controversy about how likely you are to get good fruit from seedling trees of high quality parents. Some say good/great parents will very likely produce good/great offspring, while others say the odds are low. I tend to think the odds are good. But grafting is the only way to guarantee high quality. And there is definitely a huge difference between poor wild fruit (some wild trees are great) and named varieties.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Bartacomus on October 22, 2019, 03:51:37 PM

 id never considered that a graft could have a shorter life span. certainly as short as 15 years. But at the same time.. in random conditions 8 years to fruit, kinda makes it worthwhile.

my seedlings are like 5 inches tall at best.. and raised in spring :(  kinda stunted.

Have you ever gotten scion wood to root? (instead of grafting)

(i also have them confused with sugar apples.. they damn near look identical.  one has silvery underleaf. and one has a brown stem, the other green. i dont know which)
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on October 22, 2019, 04:15:47 PM
I've had several PawPaw trees longer than 15 years.
From them a grafted PawPaw 'Prima1216' has been in use for about 5 years now and is declining more and more.
Two other grafted PawPaw 'Sunflower' are still vigorous, and you don't notice that they are grafted plants.
Another PawPaw 'Rusterholz', which I have cut back several times (to almost arm-thick branches), is taking care of for a few years and is about to die.

As for confusing Paw Paw and Cherimoya seedlings, I'm happy to post pictures for clarity. Cherimoya seedlings are very hairy on the underside of the leaves, and the new shoots are whitish due to the white hair. Paw Paw seedlings have barely palpable and visible hair on the underside of the leaves and the shoots are brownish. 

Concerning the sprouting of cuttings: I have tried several times with PawPAw, but never succeeded. PawPaw doesn't seem to want to form callus, unlike apples or citrus. Compared to dulling apples, cherries, citrus,

PawPaw seems for me more difficult to graft, but it is possible. You have to work more precisely as with the other mentioned, because callus formation is not as fast and as good as with citrus or apple etc., is my insight
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 22, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
This is the discussion i was referring to regarding the lifespan of grafted trees.
I just stumbled upon it the other day.
Just for informational purposes
https://growingfruit.org/t/pawpaw-people-weigh-in/5405/67
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on October 23, 2019, 03:22:36 AM
Thanks for this link to the other really interesting forum!

On the subject of the non-hazardousness of grafting / death of grafting plants: I think it also depends on how well the grafting has been done and how well it has grown together. As I said, I have over 15 years with me already growing grafted PawPaw trees, where no problems are to be found, and some, where problems are to be seen, but which have already died. But I don't know what it looked like with the roots. As a rule, grafted plants did not grow in the place where they stand for the rest of their lives. In other words, the roots had either grown very narrowly in the beginning or had even been damaged during transplanting, in some cases also the tap root. And we are not yet talking about possible root damage by fungi, damage by animals and the resulting rot.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on October 29, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
All grafted trees have a short lifespan ,not only the paw paws.
Comercial grafted walnuts live up to 25-30 years compared to a walnut grown from seed that can live up to 400 years and 100 its common.
But the paw paws rootstock should be sending suckers and that might not mean you loose the tree but only the grafted part.
Maybe the rootstock can make great fruits also.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: W. on October 31, 2019, 03:16:57 AM
Considering the propensity for pawpaws to form clonal colonies and the apparently variable results of grafting, I do not understand why more propagation from root suckers is not undertaken. I know that there are far more branches than root suckers, and it is certainly much easier to clip those branches off than to dig a big hole, but still. There is enough interest being shown in superior pawpaw varieties that I am sure some growers would be willing to pay a higher price to get those varieties, on their own roots, au naturel if you will, without having to worry about graft compatibility or short lifespans.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 31, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
Considering the propensity for pawpaws to form clonal colonies and the apparently variable results of grafting, I do not understand why more propagation from root suckers is not undertaken. I know that there are far more branches than root suckers, and it is certainly much easier to clip those branches off than to dig a big hole, but still. There is enough interest being shown in superior pawpaw varieties that I am sure some growers would be willing to pay a higher price to get those varieties, on their own roots, au naturel if you will, without having to worry about graft compatibility or short lifespans.

I am the first to assert that there aren't many absolutes in the world of plants; however, from my own experience with bare-root pawpaws (which were field-grown) and from anecdotes all over the internet and "literature," I don't think root-sucker propagation with pawpaws is a viable alternative to grafting. The trees just do not tolerate such violence  ;)
Not to mention, you would have to go back to the original mother-tree for the sucker to be "on its own roots." Suckers from a grafted tree, of course, are clones of the rootstock, not the graft.

However- as for alternatives to grafting - there are folks out there researching tissue culture and other modes of propagation with pawpaw, but with little to no success so far (per presentations at 2016 International Pawpaw Conference).
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: SeaWalnut on October 31, 2019, 09:07:10 AM
Tissue culture its not verry far from grafting when it comes to lifespan of trees.Even if the tree will be on its own roots,it will still die younger ( but there is a trick here,you can cut the tree to the ground once in 15-20 years and that way it can live forever,be immortal ).
Because the paw paws have a long taproot and they dont tranplant well ,they are not sold as suckers.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: W. on October 31, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
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I am the first to assert that there aren't many absolutes in the world of plants; however, from my own experience with bare-root pawpaws (which were field-grown) and from anecdotes all over the internet and "literature," I don't think root-sucker propagation with pawpaws is a viable alternative to grafting. The trees just do not tolerate such violence  ;)

When I first became interested in pawpaws and started reading about them a few years ago, I too read that growing pawpaws from root suckers varied in difficulty somewhere between impossible and nearly impossible. But, I tend to do things a little differently from everyone else and had discovered a clonal colony near my house, so I decided to attempt the impossible and transplant a sucker from that colony to my yard. Because I was impatient, to add to the difficulty I did this in the middle of August, in Alabama, the worst time and place to dig up and transplant anything. So, I went down to the clonal colony and selected the smallest sucker I could find, around 9" tall with six leaves. I dug a 2' in diameter, roughly 9" to 12" deep plug of dirt containing the root sucker. I immediately transplanted it into my yard, in a spot that receives full morning sun and dappled afternoon light. I watered it twice a day until the end of September. Despite the heat, it never showed any signs of transplant shock; it in fact showed the opposite and grew slightly in the next two months. I think there was such a large amount of roots in that large plug of dirt that it did not realize that it had been transplanted. That was in 2016. By the end of the 2017 growing season, the tree was 6' tall. By 2018, it was 9' and sending up its own root suckers 6' away from its trunk. It bloomed this spring, less than three years after it had been transplanted.

I have successfully transplanted two more root suckers from the original clonal colony since the first one, both in late spring/early summer of 2017; I did not retain as much dirt and as many roots with those two, and it seems that they "felt" that they had been dug up and moved. They grew very little for a year before starting to shoot up in height.

My point is that I believe that propagating pawpaws from root suckers can be a viable option and one that should be considered by more growers in the future. One of the benefits of growing pawpaws is that, with the exception of their habit of poor fruit set, they are problem-free: hardy, pest-resistant, vigorously-growing, and long-lived (as a colony, individual trees are fairly short-lived). I am not sure why some growers want to bollocks all that up by making pawpaws as fragile and finicky as the other widespread types of temperate fruiting trees.

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Not to mention, you would have to go back to the original mother-tree for the sucker to be "on its own roots." Suckers from a grafted tree, of course, are clones of the rootstock, not the graft.

Agreed, you would have to go to original mother trees for these pawpaw varieties to get root suckers. Considering how recent the creation was for the most popular and acclaimed pawpaw varieties, those mother trees should still exist, in clonal colonies of their own making unless active pruning to prevent such colonies has occurred. Getting access to those trees might be difficult. But, if techniques for transplanting pawpaw root suckers can be perfected enough to create a viable market for the buying and selling of au naturel pawpaw trees, then you will see it start to happen.

And I believe that techniques for transplanting root suckers can be developed and perfected. I have done it successfully, three out of three times. I guess I am too young and dumb to know that I was not supposed to be able to do that. But, imagine if someone who knows what he/she is doing worked on this method of propagation.
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: usirius on October 31, 2019, 07:14:27 PM
About 40 years ago, a friend of mine dug up a sucker of a Paw Paw from a Bptanical Garden in Suisse. The interesting thing on this Paw Paw (not grafted!) was that it stand alone and bear reliable fruits, so the origin is a self-fertile seedling.  - this has been the reason for taking a sucker of this tree. This sucker propagated "clone" lives still in perfect condition  even though my friend has cut it several times - due to its growth. By the way, at the new location this sucker-propagated Paw Paw stood without any other pollination partner and has reliably fruited, mostly in pairs. 
From this example, one could assume that sucker-propagated trees seem to be as vital as the original.....
Title: Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
Post by: Triloba Tracker on October 31, 2019, 09:08:49 PM
Thatís all really cool stuff. To quote myself, I donít believe in rigid absolutes. Meaning in this case, sometimes pawpaw suckers or other bareroot pawpaws work great.
I have taken potted pawpaws and up-potted, removing all potting mix. They didnít die but definitely were stunted temporarily.

To throw more into this conversation, I believe KSU or maybe Ohio State has done research that seemed to suggest minor genetic variances in Clonal pawpaws. Youíd have to look on KSU website or talk to their staff.