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Title: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 08:44:54 AM

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I found a few flowers on my grafted Achachiru from PR this morning. The tree is about 5 years old and in a 15 gallon pot.  I hope some set fruit!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Jsvand5 on April 14, 2015, 08:56:28 AM
Nice, Finally one of these grafted ones are flowering. Still waiting on mine. How big is your tree?
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on April 14, 2015, 10:47:57 AM
Are you effing kidding me???!!!  I'm going to throw mine out onto the interstate.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: murahilin on April 14, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Looks intentionally blurry. I think you're trying to pass off G. intermedia flowers as achachairu.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: cbss_daviefl on April 14, 2015, 11:34:14 AM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: HMHausman on April 14, 2015, 11:40:15 AM
Yes, very dodgy photo, but since your personal integrity is so high, I am going to take the leap of faith and congratulate you!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: murahilin on April 14, 2015, 12:13:23 PM
Yes, very dodgy photo, but since your personal integrity is so high, I am going to take the leap of faith and congratulate you!

He shouldn't be congratulated. It's not like he has a 10ft tall longkong seedling growing outdoors.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 01:06:51 PM
Yes, very dodgy photo, but since your personal integrity is so high, I am going to take the leap of faith and congratulate you!

He shouldn't be congratulated. It's not like he has a 10ft tall longkong seedling growing outdoors.

I told you its a 10ft Longkang not Longkong.. LOL

I will post better pictures this evening.

All it took was a couple tablespoons of that superior fertilizer mix a few weeks ago and she sent out blooms!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: bsbullie on April 14, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Yes, very dodgy photo, but since your personal integrity is so high, I am going to take the leap of faith and congratulate you!

He shouldn'the  be congratulated. It's not like he has a 10ft tall longkong seedling growing outdoors.

I told you its a 10ft Longkang not Longkong.. LOL

I will post better pictures this evening.

All it took was a couple tablespoons of that superior fertilizer mix a few weeks ago and she sent out blooms!

Sheehan  - grab a cup of that stuff from Patrick.  If thats the case we will have durian off those trees in no time...
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: simon_grow on April 14, 2015, 01:43:05 PM
Congratulations Patrick, I'm jealous. My plant is only about 18 inches tall so I've got many years before mine will fruit. Keep us updated!

Simon
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
Yes, very dodgy photo, but since your personal integrity is so high, I am going to take the leap of faith and congratulate you!

He shouldn'the  be congratulated. It's not like he has a 10ft tall longkong seedling growing outdoors.

I told you its a 10ft Longkang not Longkong.. LOL

I will post better pictures this evening.

All it took was a couple tablespoons of that superior fertilizer mix a few weeks ago and she sent out blooms!

Sheehan  - grab a cup of that stuff from Patrick.  If thats the case we will have durian off those trees in no time...

You could cure Ebola with a whole cup!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on April 14, 2015, 02:00:00 PM
What, pray-tell, are you feeding this tree?
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
Nothing really.. Just an occasional foliar spray when I do my yard, some 8-3-9 when I remember. 
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Tropicaliste on April 14, 2015, 02:25:43 PM
Nice, how long have you had it?

Jay: you owe me a new windshield.   :P
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Felipe on April 14, 2015, 02:36:59 PM
Congratullations! Have you considered planting it in ground?

I wounder if a grafted achachairu also takes in the tropics so long to start producing...
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: JF on April 14, 2015, 05:27:08 PM

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I found a few flowers on my grafted Achachiru from PR this morning. The tree is about 5 years old and in a 15 gallon pot.  I hope some set fruit!


Congrats Patrick! Can you please post a pic of the full tree? I've have one on the ground, that's about 5 + feet,  for a few years it grows very slow but your branches look about the same sizes.

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_8021.jpg)
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
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Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
that's cool...

your growth is all lateral..

the ones i have (seedlings in 15 gal pots, about 7ft tall, 6-7yr old) are much taller...but I doubt they will fruit anytime soon...

i remember the one at fruit and spice had a trunk the size of my thigh before it flowered!  and was about 10ft x 8ft wide.

(btw...I'm anti-jinxing you now...I have had a vision that your fruits will ripen! Amen)
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on April 14, 2015, 07:02:56 PM
PJ...did you have any new growth that appeared first?
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: HMHausman on April 14, 2015, 07:07:17 PM
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Let's see if we can rekindle an old debate. Does that say garcinia brasilensis on the pot?
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: gunnar429 on April 14, 2015, 07:15:42 PM
that's cool...

your growth is all lateral..

the ones i have (seedlings in 15 gal pots, about 7ft tall, 6-7yr old) are much taller...but I doubt they will fruit anytime soon...

i remember the one at fruit and spice had a trunk the size of my thigh before it flowered!  and was about 10ft x 8ft wide.

(btw...I'm anti-jinxing you now...I have had a vision that your fruits will ripen! Amen)

I remember Chris Rollins (or somebody else--lol)  saying that when grafted, garcinias grow laterally.  Can't remember if it was G. mangostana they were talking about but after seeing the pics, it looks to be the case with achachachacha
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 14, 2015, 07:18:34 PM
oh so that's how you pronounce it  :P

HaChaChaCha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BGvhDAB7Q#ws)
that's cool...

your growth is all lateral..

the ones i have (seedlings in 15 gal pots, about 7ft tall, 6-7yr old) are much taller...but I doubt they will fruit anytime soon...

i remember the one at fruit and spice had a trunk the size of my thigh before it flowered!  and was about 10ft x 8ft wide.

(btw...I'm anti-jinxing you now...I have had a vision that your fruits will ripen! Amen)


I remember Chris Rollins (or somebody else--lol)  saying that when grafted, garcinias grow laterally.  Can't remember if it was G. mangostana they were talking about but after seeing the pics, it looks to be the case with achachachacha
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: TropicalFruitHunters on April 14, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
I put out a video and a picture of how the Thais graft for dwarf mangosteens.  It all depends on where you take the cuttings from that will determine how the grafted plant will grow.  I've had Ian and Felipe in PR tell me the same thing when we were looking at grafted plants from Jardines Eneida.  All of the grafted achachairu that I've seen have been spreading rather than growing up.  Kind of makes sense recalling how the trees grow.  Much easier to grab cuttings from the lower branches...all of which are hanging down.  I'm sure if a more apical dominant leader was chosen, a more upright plant would be the result.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
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Let's see if we can rekindle an old debate. Does that say garcinia brasilensis on the pot?


The label from Jardines Enieda reads "Bacupari- G.brasilensis"

It was a one gallon in 2011.

My grafted "Mameyito" as they call it (its a lemon drop) has the same growth habit.

@Jay - No new growth at the flower sites but some on the branches.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: JF on April 14, 2015, 09:31:05 PM
Very nice it's really compact! Patrick is there a reason you have it in a container? They are cold hardy we have a few mornings bellow 40F almost every year and it's unfazed, no freeze burn or dieback. We have a mature Garcinia growing in the Fullerton Arboretum that's loaded every year you should have no problem growing it in the ground in your area.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on April 14, 2015, 09:52:31 PM
Very nice it's really compact! Patrick is there a reason you have it in a container? They are cold hardy we have a few mornings bellow 40F almost every year and it's unfazed, no freeze burn or dieback. We have a mature Garcinia growing in the Fullerton Arboretum that's loaded every year you should have no problem growing it in the ground in your area.

That's great to hear.. I was just frightened that it may be cold sensitive or not fruit.  Now Im concerned that it may lose the fruit if I plant it out.  I probably will if I am able to harvest the fruit.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Triloba Tracker on April 14, 2015, 10:39:23 PM
Congrats, Patrick!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: fruitlovers on April 15, 2015, 03:08:01 AM
Very nice it's really compact! Patrick is there a reason you have it in a container? They are cold hardy we have a few mornings bellow 40F almost every year and it's unfazed, no freeze burn or dieback. We have a mature Garcinia growing in the Fullerton Arboretum that's loaded every year you should have no problem growing it in the ground in your area.

That's great to hear.. I was just frightened that it may be cold sensitive or not fruit.  Now Im concerned that it may lose the fruit if I plant it out.  I probably will if I am able to harvest the fruit.

Achachairu originates from foothills of the Andes, Bolivia so is pretty cold hardy.
JF is that really achachairu at Fullerton? I know they have false mangosteen (xanthochyumus).
BTW, the achachairu was misidentified in a book about Puerto Rican fruits. There it is called Rheedia brasilensis, so not surprising their nurseries are also confused.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: barath on April 15, 2015, 03:29:40 AM
For what it's worth, Bacupari miudo (Garcinia brasiliensis?), Mexican Garcinia, Achachairu all survived outdoors on the rooftop this winter here in Northern California, and Lemon Drop Mangosteen has survived two winters up there.  They weren't too happy with wind (Mexican Garcinias lost leaves now and then), but they're doing fine and growing again.  Granted we've had two mild winters in a row but the city had two nights of 33 F this winter and last winter had two nights of 30 F -- officially zone 10a.  The rooftop is warmer (altitude plus thermal mass of the building) so add a few degrees.

I was (pleasantly) surprised they survived.  Just hope they grow faster than the current rate of two leaves every 6 months.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: JF on April 15, 2015, 11:45:10 AM
Very nice it's really compact! Patrick is there a reason you have it in a container? They are cold hardy we have a few mornings bellow 40F almost every year and it's unfazed, no freeze burn or dieback. We have a mature Garcinia growing in the Fullerton Arboretum that's loaded every year you should have no problem growing it in the ground in your area.

That's great to hear.. I was just frightened that it may be cold sensitive or not fruit.  Now Im concerned that it may lose the fruit if I plant it out.  I probably will if I am able to harvest the fruit.

Achachairu originates from foothills of the Andes, Bolivia so is pretty cold hardy.
JF is that really achachairu at Fullerton? I know they have false mangosteen (xanthochyumus).
BTW, the achachairu was misidentified in a book about Puerto Rican fruits. There it is called Rheedia brasilensis, so not surprising their nurseries are also confused.
Oscar, I don't know what type of Garcinia I've posted pix but I can't find them in the search. It's a medium size yellow fruit, size of an apricot, don't enough to ID it. Maybe someone on the forum who is going to the green scene this weekend can take pix?
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Rtreid on April 15, 2015, 01:26:30 PM
Oscar,

I was up at Fullerton a few weeks ago and had a talk with one of the people in charge of the collection.  A very bright guy, and his area of expertise is cacti, but he was interested in learning more about the fruit garden.  They do gave a large G. xanthochymus, in the collection and when I asked him if there were any other Garcinia species he first pointed to an empty spot and said that there might have been one "there" but died some years back.  Then he took me to an unidentified tree and told me that other people say  that it is a Garcinia sp.  but it looked more like some sort of Syzygium sp. to me.  Here are some photos of the tree in question.


(http://s16.postimg.cc/5fy72sxbl/P1010601.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5fy72sxbl/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/hgjn3j4q9/P1010602.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hgjn3j4q9/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/fom2uvvzl/P1010603.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fom2uvvzl/)

He said that to the best of his knowledge it has never fruited.  Any guesses as to what this tree is?

Cheers,
Richard
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Rtreid on April 15, 2015, 01:35:15 PM
Here are some recent photos of the G. xanthochymus at Fullerton (taken less than a month ago).
(http://s12.postimg.cc/p4ej7ifk9/P1010599.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p4ej7ifk9/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/6jqb0fu4p/P1010600.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6jqb0fu4p/)

Cheers,
Richard
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: fruitlovers on April 15, 2015, 05:52:19 PM
The xanthochymus is the one that the Fullerton had mislabeled as mangosteen for quite a long time.
Richard the photo of mystery plant does look like Syzygium. Maybe java plum (cuminii)?
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: cbss_daviefl on April 15, 2015, 08:28:36 PM
I have a pair of achachairu seedlings that I bought from Montoso Gardens in Nov 2012.  They were about a foot tall when they arrived so I would guess that their age to be around 1.5 years old at the time of purchase.  The trees are now 5.5 feet tall with a trunk diameter of about 1.5 inches at approximately 4 years old.  They are going in the ground when rainy season starts.

I hope that my trees do not need to get a trunk diameter of Adam's thigh before they fruit.  If that is the measure stick, Adam is going to have to go on a diet! 

i remember the one at fruit and spice had a trunk the size of my thigh before it flowered!  and was about 10ft x 8ft wide.
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Sleepdoc on April 16, 2015, 07:05:59 AM
I have a pair of achachairu seedlings that I bought from Montoso Gardens in Nov 2012.  They were about a foot tall when they arrived so I would guess that their age to be around 1.5 years old at the time of purchase.  The trees are now 5.5 feet tall with a trunk diameter of about 1.5 inches at approximately 4 years old.  They are going in the ground when rainy season starts.

I hope that my trees do not need to get a trunk diameter of Adam's thigh before they fruit.  If that is the measure stick, Adam is going to have to go on a diet! 

i remember the one at fruit and spice had a trunk the size of my thigh before it flowered!  and was about 10ft x 8ft wide.

Yeah, I am a bit disappointed after reading this.  I have a seedling planted in ground that looks really great at about 4 ft.  I was hoping to have some fruit in two or 3 years.   After reading this it seems like the wait will be much longer :(
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Coconut on April 16, 2015, 09:41:12 AM
I have a pair of achachairu seedlings that I bought from Montoso Gardens in Nov 2012.  They were about a foot tall when they arrived so I would guess that their age to be around 1.5 years old at the time of purchase.  The trees are now 5.5 feet tall with a trunk diameter of about 1.5 inches at approximately 4 years old.  They are going in the ground when rainy season starts.

I hope that my trees do not need to get a trunk diameter of Adam's thigh before they fruit.  If that is the measure stick, Adam is going to have to go on a diet! 

i remember the one at fruit and spice had a trunk the size of my thigh before it flowered!  and was about 10ft x 8ft wide.

Yeah, I am a bit disappointed after reading this.  I have a seedling planted in ground that looks really great at about 4 ft.  I was hoping to have some fruit in two or 3 years.   After reading this it seems like the wait will be much longer :(


You ain't kidding I got mine a bunch from Montosogarden five years ago as two years old and thinking it would fruit by now; well when Luc's Mangosteen fruit next year I hope, I will replace these over promised Bolivian with Mexican Garcinia !😀
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Seadation on April 16, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
Here is a pic of mine. It's pushing 8ft tall. I was hoping to get some fruit by next year.

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Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: fruitlovers on April 16, 2015, 06:25:09 PM
Here is a pic of mine. It's pushing 8ft tall. I was hoping to get some fruit by next year.

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Mine fruited at about that size, so yours should too very soon. Give it some K to promote flowering.
Trunk thick as a thigh to start fruiting?  :o No way! Mine is not nearly that big of a trunk and fruited last year!
Btw, at 6 foot height or so that plant really took off in growth. It must have doubled in size, especially width, in one year!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 16, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
maybe the lime rock soil set it back?

but yes, the tree had a trunk with a 5-6 inch diameter if I recall...way too big to keep in a pot, was my first thought.

Here is a pic of mine. It's pushing 8ft tall. I was hoping to get some fruit by next year.

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Mine fruited at about that size, so yours should too very soon. Give it some K to promote flowering.
Trunk thick as a thigh to start fruiting?  :o No way! Mine is not nearly that big of a trunk and fruited last year!
Btw, at 6 foot height or so that plant really took off in growth. It must have doubled in size, especially width, in one year!
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Coconut on April 16, 2015, 06:48:13 PM
Here is a pic of mine. It's pushing 8ft tall. I was hoping to get some fruit by next year.

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Your Kid peeing on it that makes it so big Ron??😆 Yours a hell lot bigger than mine, I should flood mine evryday hopefully it will catch; wast that is your secret you told me; Noah's Flood on them?💦
Title: Re: Grafted Achachiru flowering in South Florida
Post by: Seadation on April 16, 2015, 07:11:08 PM
Yes Jack I got mine from Montoso Gardens in 2012 as the larger size they sell. I let it grow in a pot in partial shade until a little over waist high then put it in the ground. They love lots of water. In the pots I would try to always have the soil moist and would give them osmocote slow release fertilizer. Haven't started peeing on them yet lol.