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Title: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 13, 2015, 04:18:06 PM
I'm finding Angie to be not as sweet as most mangos.  They fall off the tree when still green.  And flavor-wise they just don't make it as a top-tier mango.  My son (22) who grew up in Florida and has been eating mangos all his life refuses to eat them.  He says they taste "spoiled" to him.  Once they're cut open you can't leave a half in the refrigerator covered with plastic wrap like you can most mangos.  The flavor tends to deteriorate rapidly.

What are others experiencing?
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango
Post by: BENDERSGROVE on June 13, 2015, 04:28:05 PM
That seems really strange, we been eating them for a month and this year they have been great, right up there with my LZ's, I guess every yard is different. The ones we have sold, we get people back looking for more. Wish I had more to sell but my daughter has dibs on what's left.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango
Post by: johnb51 on June 13, 2015, 04:34:12 PM
Thanks, Mike, for your comments.  It could be my super-sandy soil although I thought mangos like sandy soil.  Also, this is only the second year of production for my tree.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 13, 2015, 04:39:53 PM
I'm finding Angie to be not as sweet as most mangos.  They fall off the tree when still green.  And flavor-wise they just don't make it as a top-tier mango.  My son (22) who grew up in Florida and has been eating mangos all his life refuses to eat them.  He says they taste "spoiled" to him.  Once they're cut open you can't leave a half in the refrigerator covered with plastic wrap like you can most mangos.  The flavor tends to deteriorate rapidly.

What are others experiencing?

fruited one in a pot last year, it reminded me of carrie, but better!

one of my favorite mangoes!
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on June 13, 2015, 06:10:38 PM
My early ones have been exactly the same. I have a second and third crop to go. But as the season has progressed they have gotten much better. My early Coconut Creams were the same way, lacked sugars and intensity.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: BENDERSGROVE on June 13, 2015, 06:17:39 PM
John if you want to come by and try one of mine you are more than welcome too. Just don't tell my daughter she will kill me! Lol. I will be happy to give you one of mine to try. That way you can judge. Just give me a heads up.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: HMHausman on June 13, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
I do find that they tend to fall off the tree without fully coloring at my house.  Once they hit the ground, I find some deterioration in overall eating quality.  I still find them to be top tier overall but there have been a couple of years when they were off for some reason.  But, this hasn't been an off year here.  Very mysterious.  A mango named in honor of Bill Whitman's wife has to have something going  for it.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: gunnar429 on June 13, 2015, 09:13:52 PM
I do find that they tend to fall off the tree without fully coloring at my house.  Once they hit the ground, I find some deterioration in overall eating quality.  I still find them to be top tier overall but there have been a couple of years when they were off for some reason.  But, this hasn't been an off year here.  Very mysterious.  A mango named in honor of Bill Whitman's wife has to have something going  for it.

The one I had at Harry's office last week was right up there with maha chanok.  Not sure what's going on....maybe it's just not representative since it's a young tree.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on June 20, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
Following with interest. My Angie fruited for the first time last year and the fruit was very disappointing, I understand exactly what you mean about tasting spoiled. I was advised last year by the excellent folks here to be patient and see if the flavor changes as the tree matures. This year, tmytree is holding around 15 fruit, all still a couple weeks from ripening. Sure hoping flavor is better this year! I haven't had the opportunity to try one from another source, so hard to say if I like them in general. I do have all sand soil, for whatever that's worth. Will report back after I've tasted this year's crop.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: dongeorgio on June 20, 2015, 12:02:22 PM
 I got a couple from BSBullie and I found them to be middle of the road.  Granted 2 over ripe Angies is not a sample size to make a full fledged opinion but I am not optimistic based on what I have seen so far.  It would have a tremendous uphill battle to be considered top tier in my books
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 20, 2015, 06:11:29 PM
I brought one of my Angies to share with someone who has sampled other Angies, and he found that mine were not up to par with the others he's tasted, with which he was very impressed.  So it may be my immature tree underperforming. I'll spare my tree for now, and see if the fruit improves in the next couple years.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Seadation on June 20, 2015, 07:30:40 PM
Last Year my Angie's were nothing spectacular. This year I have truly enjoyed them and do consider them top tier. One thing I am doing this year is peeling the skin then cutting out the pieces. The skin can have a resinous taste similar to Carrie. If you don't like this, peel the skin before eating. That's how ineat them now and love them. My tree had over 70 this year.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on June 20, 2015, 08:14:50 PM
I am very underwhelmed with it at best.  So much that i will be selling my 25 gallon Angie.  To little space and far to many better varieties IMO.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: gnappi on June 20, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
Once they're cut open you can't leave a half in the refrigerator covered with plastic wrap like you can most mangos.  The flavor tends to deteriorate rapidly.

I've never knew that anyone would eat only half a mango... live and learn.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: HMHausman on June 21, 2015, 07:54:20 AM
Once they're cut open you can't leave a half in the refrigerator covered with plastic wrap like you can most mangos.  The flavor tends to deteriorate rapidly.

I've never knew that anyone would eat only half a mango... live and learn.

An unusual occurrence among mango lovers, for sure, but it actually does happen at my house when I have a tasting with limited number of people and many mangoes, I will cut each mango in half to have a sampling of each and leave the other half for a second sitting. Depending on ripeness, the second half will often be refrigerated.  Different varieties react differently to the refrigeration.  Some do perfectly well with the chilling.  Other do not do well and lose there flavor profile dramatically.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: strkpr00 on June 21, 2015, 08:07:23 AM
OK, which mangoes should not be chilled? I might of been doing this wrong for a long time. Is it only when cut, or when placed whole in the fridge?  :-\
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on June 21, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
I dont believe any mango should be chilled.  As with most fruit, including tomatoes, chilling te n ds to suppress flavors and sweetness.   The few exceptions i have found where chilling makes the fruit better: lychees, longans and all types of melons.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: HMHausman on June 21, 2015, 09:20:30 AM
I dont believe any mango should be chilled.  As with most fruit, including tomatoes, chilling te n ds to suppress flavors and sweetness.   The few exceptions i have found where chilling makes the fruit better: lychees, longans and all types of melons.

This is purist dogma which I think one should follow in general but not blindly nor obsessively. Experiencing a mango both at room temperature and chilled so that a comparison  can be made, I think should be encouraged.
Chilling certain mangoes may alter the flavor profile to some degree but not always necessarily in a bad way. There is something to be said for the refreshing aspect of the cool fruit eating experience.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 21, 2015, 12:56:01 PM
I dont believe any mango should be chilled.  As with most fruit, including tomatoes, chilling te n ds to suppress flavors and sweetness.   The few exceptions i have found where chilling makes the fruit better: lychees, longans and all types of melons.

I like almost all fruits room temp, or even warm (by the sun)...

there are definitely exceptions, some are excellent chilled....the first that comes to mind is biriba.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 21, 2015, 01:21:47 PM
I really like my mangos chilled.  For me it makes them taste sweeter and makes the flavor more intense.  Maybe my taste buds work differently.  Watermelon, too. (But most people like watermelon chilled, right?)
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: JF on June 21, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
I haven't had too many Angies but the ones I've had have been average, nothing great. I just had one drop last night I'm curious to compare this one to the ones I just had in FL

 
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Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Hollywood on June 21, 2015, 06:34:24 PM
Our 5' Angie produced its first crop of about 12 mangoes this year. It was  on of our favorites. Fiberless, apricot is how I would summarize it. Definitely not as sweet as many and the skin is resinous.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Hollywood on June 21, 2015, 06:36:34 PM
On second thought, fiberless probably isn't accurate. I didn't taste fiber but the knife felt like it was slicing through meat, unlike the feel of a Glenn, which is truly fiberless and almost gelatinous in texture.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 21, 2015, 10:57:45 PM
They started off not so sweet, but they got a little better.  Mine were fiberless with a custard-like texture.  One of my tasters said they were a little washed out, like a Glenn.  That means there's the possibility of future improvement.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on June 24, 2015, 10:14:04 AM
Ate some egg size Angies yesterday and they were out-freaking-standing!  My first crop in May were bland and unremarkable.  If these under developed fruit are representative of my next crop of fully developed fruit then it's top tier in my book.

Note: the early crop filled out well and softened up but but dropped before any significant color break. This later crop is blushing and starting to break color and the fruit are still rock hard and securely fastened to the stem. All the egg sized  under developed fruit have colored up very nicely before dropping or separating from the stem.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on June 24, 2015, 11:07:10 AM
Cant go hy nubbin fruits.  I wonder why its producing the nubbins, and more than just an odd 1?.  That is a bad characteristic of the Dot.
Title: Re: Angie Is Not a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 24, 2015, 11:17:30 AM
Maybe from that late bloom we got. Even my lemon zest produced a few nubbins.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on June 24, 2015, 04:09:16 PM
The nubbins were from a late bloom. I have about six nubbins total. I also have about 10 fruit that will make it to full maturity from that late bloom.  Either way, the nubbins were outstanding.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 24, 2015, 04:14:42 PM
you call them nubbins? we always called them "Danny Devitos"
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on June 24, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
LMFAO!!!!!

you call them nubbins? we always called them "Danny Devitos"
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 29, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
Ate the last of my Angies today.  Better than the early ones and a very good mango, but I don't think I could ever place in the Top Five.  Pickering ripens at the same time for me,  and I prefer Pickering because of its coconut flavor and sweetness.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on June 29, 2015, 01:31:44 PM
Had a few more nubbins / Danny DeVito Angies and they have all been outstanding. I have a full sized Schwarzenegger Angie about a day or two away from optimum ripeness. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: gunnar429 on June 29, 2015, 10:11:49 PM
Ate the last of my Angies today.  Better than the early ones and a very good mango, but I don't think I could ever place in the Top Five.  Pickering ripens at the same time for me,  and I prefer Pickering because of its coconut flavor and sweetness.

I don't think fairchild will ever promote a top 5 mango...so for them, this is as good as it gets!
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: PurpleAlligator on June 29, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
Ate the last of my Angies today.  Better than the early ones and a very good mango, but I don't think I could ever place in the Top Five.  Pickering ripens at the same time for me,  and I prefer Pickering because of its coconut flavor and sweetness.

I don't think fairchild will ever promote a top 5 mango...so for them, this is as good as it gets!

They promote Malika which is a fantastic mango.  Not saying it's top 5 but one I consistently enjoy every time I cut into one.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on June 30, 2015, 07:41:29 AM
Mallika could hit a lot of top 5 in a tasting on any given Sunday.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 30, 2015, 08:49:36 AM
My Mallika is about a year old.  It was in a seven-gal. pot, and I cut it back severely.  It didn't have fruit this year but has been filling in beautifully.  So next year I'll have Mallikas to comment about.  I had a tree nine years ago (at another house), and it produced delicious mangos.  But the new owners hated mangos or something and chopped it down.  Yes, there are THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE in the world!
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: gunnar429 on June 30, 2015, 08:51:29 AM
Mallika could hit a lot of top 5 in a tasting on any given Sunday.

fair enough  :P
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: WGphil on July 01, 2015, 12:10:11 PM
Have had exactly two.  One bought from Alex was wonderful.  My girlfriend and I considered it one of the best we had including the Edwards we also bought. 

 The other bought at the recent festival at the Fruit and Spice park in a 6 for 5 deal, smelled and the seed inside had already sprouted.   But, all of the mango's I got in that deal, were pretty bad.  The Mallika and Carrie were horrible also and hit the garbage can as well.    So skipping all the fruit I got there as just a bad vendor.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 01, 2015, 12:31:29 PM
Have had exactly two.  One bought from Alex was wonderful.  My girlfriend and I considered it one of the best we had including the Edwards we also bought. 

 The other bought at the recent festival at the Fruit and Spice park in a 6 for 5 deal, smelled and the seed inside had already sprouted.   But, all of the mango's I got in that deal, were pretty bad.  The Mallika and Carrie were horrible also and hit the garbage can as well.    So skipping all the fruit I got there as just a bad vendor.

Doesn't that just suck?  I bought 4 mangos at $3/lb. from a popular South Florida grower recently and 2 out of the 4 were bad!
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Tropicdude on July 01, 2015, 05:53:39 PM
First time me and my wife tried Mallika, we did not care for it,  it was just terrible,  I even joked that the fruit tasted like the name ( Mal = Bad ).
That was a few years back,  then I tasted one at the fruit and spice park, that was on the ground,  and found it to very tasty indeed.   and eventually tried a few more on Different occasions, and they were all very good.

The first one that we had a bad experience with, was probably either over ripe, or maybe like they say, should have been picked green, and allowed to ripen off the tree.   lesson here, is do not a judge a variety from just one fruit and source.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on July 01, 2015, 08:02:08 PM
Mallika do not need to be picked green to be good.  I have eaten plenty that were picked with some yellowing and they were equally excellent.   I will say, if you have any camel shit around, definitely pick them green.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 04, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
Well, 4 fruits in and this seasons Angie fruits are shaping up to be disappointing. The first 2 fell and had considerable anthracnose damage. The next two I picked when they showed some yellowing. The one that looked perfectly ripened (although a rather ugly specimen) was in fact overripe, so I picked a second one that looked a day underripe to compare, it's top was underripe, but the nose was edging up on overripe. So they seem to be ripening unevenly, and the overripe bits are quite mushy. Now, on to the flavor - it is like a roulette game - most bites taste terrible, a bitter taste I don't enjoy, and the occasional bit has excellent flavor, with just the slightest tinge of that unpleasant flavor.  Just  good enough so I can see how. If the bitter taste was absent, they'd be excellent. But so far the reality is I didn't finish any of the 4, they were that bad:( the tree is holding about 20 more, and a couple are quite nicely shaped and unblemished, unlike these first few. So I'll wait to try those, but if the flavor of the lot of them is bad I think I'll be looking to replace this tree next year with a more reliable flavor producer. My space is too precious for an iffy pick.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 09, 2015, 05:43:53 PM
My Angie's continue to disappoint. This is the best looking one I've had so far:

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Most of them don't yellow up anywhere near this much before they fall off the tree. The flesh of this one looked ok, and the nose tasted ok, only a mild disagreeable flavor. Near the stem, or too close to the stem is a horrible kerosene sort of taste.

so I think I'm leaning toward the earlier comment that maybe these do not like growing in sugar sand soil? Anyone got one producing good flavored fruit planted in sand soil?

I don't really care that the fruit are ugly, but the flavor so far is unacceptable. In the parts that the bad flavor is mildest, I can see how if it was not present, this would be a superbly flavored variety. But can't get past the bad flavor.

This is the second year fruiting with no substantial improvement in flavor over last year. Any hope that subsequent years might improve?


Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 09, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I don't seem to be able to get images to upload anymore - sorry, will have to try to figure that out later. The image I tried posting was of a fairly small size fruit with about 60% yellow color and entirely covered in ugly scarring kind (maybe scab?).
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Seadation on July 09, 2015, 11:45:28 PM
I'm in Miami and my Angie's look nothing like yours. My tree gives me beautiful clean fruit with a pink/red shoulder, the flesh is sweet silky smooth no fiber and a slight papaya undertone/aftertaste. The first year my tree fruited it did not wow me but this year they were great. As I said earlier it does have a resinous taste near the skin and the stem. This is more prominent if eaten too underripe. I am not very fond of the resinous taste but the key to it is to cut the skin away before eating or slicing and it is completely gone.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 11, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
I'm glad to know the variety produces well for some. Out of curiousity, for any of you that have trees producing good tasting fruit, does your tree get irrigation? Mines does, and I'm wondering if this variety is extra sensitive to too much water, the Fairchild description alluded to good production potentially being impacted by water supply.

I have been peeling the fruit with a potato peeler to try to get off all of the skin that is resinous tasting before cutting up the fruit.  But  the off taste, while worse near the stem isn't limited to just the surface of the fruit. This morning, I had a fruit that the nose end was very good tasting, with no off flavor. The half closest to the stem end had significant bitterness all the way down to the seed. So I think that for whatever reason, my tree does not like it's growing conditions and is producing off flavored fruit, rather than me disliking the variety as a whole. If the fruits tasted like the nose of this one, I find them very good. Any thoughts on growing conditions impacting flavor so adversely?
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Seadation on July 11, 2015, 11:16:13 AM
Mine does not get irrigation. All it gets is rain water and occasionally if there is a drought hose water.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: zands on July 11, 2015, 02:33:27 PM
Most of them don't yellow up anywhere near this much before they fall off the tree. The flesh of this one looked ok, and the nose tasted ok, only a mild disagreeable flavor. Near the stem, or too close to the stem is a horrible kerosene sort of taste.
This is the second year fruiting with no substantial improvement in flavor over last year. Any hope that subsequent years might improve?

I have uneven ripening on a few mango trees. I attribute this to the early bloom. I am seeing unevenly ripe fruit drop from my Gold Nugget mango which is normally an August tree. Another tree was also plagued by this unevenness though it seems that the last 50% of its fruits will be normal

So...... I would give your Angie another year.

On average my mango trees are 3-4 weeks earlier than a normal year. Some trees don't care while some do. Angie might be one.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on July 11, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
I don't know what to say to the disappointed Angie growers but my late season crop has bee pretty damn great. I have no disease issues and the fruit are clean and full flavored.


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Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Squam256 on July 12, 2015, 08:19:17 AM
The Angies i've had this year have been superb. Lots of excellent feedback from people who have tried it as well. Definitely a top tier mango and so many positive traits in terms of tree size and growth habit, production and precocity.

A decent subset of Americans will probably not like it due to the Carrie-like flavor. But people with Indian and west indie backgrounds (aka people who actually buy mangos) will absolutely love Angie
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 12, 2015, 11:27:07 AM
Glad to see others having success. Interesting about the bloom time potentially impacting flavor. My trees actually seemed to bloom a bit late this year tho - must be the cooler temps in central FL. One of the most interesting things is that perhaps this is just one of those polarizing varieties where some really like them, and others don't. A critter got a low hanging one yesterday - maybe that means flavor is improving? Previously, critters would steer clear of this variety. Holding out for the later fruits to ripen being better...
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 12, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
Glad to see others having success. Interesting about the bloom time potentially impacting flavor. My trees actually seemed to bloom a bit late this year tho - must be the cooler temps in central FL. One of the most interesting things is that perhaps this is just one of those polarizing varieties where some really like them, and others don't. A critter got a low hanging one yesterday - maybe that means flavor is improving? Previously, critters would steer clear of this variety. Holding out for the later fruits to ripen being better...
 

I think there's more to it than just being a "polarizing" variety as some are getting washed-out flavor and lack of sweetness while others are getting an intensely flavorful mango.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: jc on July 13, 2015, 09:50:47 AM
I've had both ends of the spectrum on several varieties this year. The early coco cream and angie are two. Early season was bland later season have been very good to outstanding.

Glad to see others having success. Interesting about the bloom time potentially impacting flavor. My trees actually seemed to bloom a bit late this year tho - must be the cooler temps in central FL. One of the most interesting things is that perhaps this is just one of those polarizing varieties where some really like them, and others don't. A critter got a low hanging one yesterday - maybe that means flavor is improving? Previously, critters would steer clear of this variety. Holding out for the later fruits to ripen being better...
 

I think there's more to it than just being a "polarizing" variety as some are getting washed-out flavor and lack of sweetness while others are getting an intensely flavorful mango.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: WGphil on July 13, 2015, 12:12:02 PM
I have only had two Angie mango's so hardly enough to know more than that. 

The first we got from Tropical Acres and it was superb.   That one would have been hard to beat, 

The other we got from a vendor at Fruit and Spice Park and the seed had already sprouted and wasn't good at all.   The fruit I got there turned out to be my worst buy so far, so it wasn't the only bad one in that bunch.   
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 13, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
I've had both ends of the spectrum on several varieties this year. The early coco cream and angie are two. Early season was bland later season have been very good to outstanding.

Glad to see others having success. Interesting about the bloom time potentially impacting flavor. My trees actually seemed to bloom a bit late this year tho - must be the cooler temps in central FL. One of the most interesting things is that perhaps this is just one of those polarizing varieties where some really like them, and others don't. A critter got a low hanging one yesterday - maybe that means flavor is improving? Previously, critters would steer clear of this variety. Holding out for the later fruits to ripen being better...
 

I think there's more to it than just being a "polarizing" variety as some are getting washed-out flavor and lack of sweetness while others are getting an intensely flavorful mango.



I agree there seem to be quality issues as well as individual taste. Mine have been very strongly flavored. Nothing washed out about the flavor, just not a flavor I'm enjoying. With mine in particular, most fruits are small, severely blemished and not ripening properly. So very hard to judge if the flavor I dislike is present in better formed specimens. Here's a pic of 3 of mine (with a coghall next to them for scale). The one on the left is the best formed one I've had so far.
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Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Fig-Doctor on July 11, 2018, 10:01:07 PM
Angie is a good mango as a dwarf tree but in my garden I donít put it my Top 5 . Dot, Lemon zest, Coco cream, Carrie, Sweet tart. All of them have very strong sweetness and complex flavor.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 11, 2018, 10:12:54 PM
Surprised to see Carrie in your top 5 but not Angie. They are similar in terms of flavor profile, with Angie being more firm.

Angie is a good mango as a dwarf tree but in my garden I donít put it my Top 5 . Dot, Lemon zest, Coco cream, Carrie, Sweet tart. All of them have very strong sweetness and complex flavor.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 12, 2018, 09:30:22 AM
I started this topic three years ago and still have my Angie tree although I keep telling myself I should replace it.  Angie does have its qualities.  The tree is compact and manageable, and it's an early variety.  The flavor is nothing like Pickering, which is my other early tree.  Although it's not super-sweet, I've found I've gotten used to the unique flavor and "appreciate" it.  I can understand why some mango connoisseurs love it.  The texture is firm yet super-smooth and fiber-free (superb).  The smaller fruit has more intense and sweeter flavor and can be excellent.  If you had ten mango trees, Angie could be included.  If only five, probably not.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: nighthawk0911@yahoo.com on July 12, 2018, 12:30:58 PM
It tastes like funky cooked carrots.  It's a spitter.  Has no business being a recommended variety.  Comparing it to a Carrie isn't accurate.

Sulcata Groves Angie Review - I totally agree.

https://youtu.be/9tdO4KcH63M
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: nighthawk0911@yahoo.com on July 12, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
Surprised to see Carrie in your top 5 but not Angie. They are similar in terms of flavor profile, with Angie being more firm.



Angie is a good mango as a dwarf tree but in my garden I donít put it my Top 5 . Dot, Lemon zest, Coco cream, Carrie, Sweet tart. All of them have very strong sweetness and complex flavor.

Carrie is great.....Angie tastes like A$$
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: behlgarden on July 12, 2018, 01:15:12 PM
I had angie this year and previous years, taste being subjective, I dont count it in top tier class which per my taste buds are ST, PC, LZ, HK, etc.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on July 12, 2018, 01:20:28 PM
Surprised to see Carrie in your top 5 but not Angie. They are similar in terms of flavor profile, with Angie being more firm.



Angie is a good mango as a dwarf tree but in my garden I donít put it my Top 5 . Dot, Lemon zest, Coco cream, Carrie, Sweet tart. All of them have very strong sweetness and complex flavor.

Carrie is great.....Angie tastes like A$$

I agree with your comment about Angie...as does Carrie and Ugly Betty.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 12, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
For me, it's towards the lower end of Excellent. But I eat mine just a hair underripe such that the fruit retains some acidity and a bit more complexity of flavor. The "spice" note (ie, the flavor in the sap / near the skin) is nearly identical to carrie. But Angie has the advantage of firmer skin. If you let it fully ripen, it does get a bit bland. As with a lot of mangoes, it's all about stage of ripeness.

I've never tasted carrot though. That's weird.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 12, 2018, 02:42:39 PM
No carrot flavor for me.  Now Neelam had the carrot flavor, and I got rid of that tree right away!
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 12, 2018, 08:57:23 PM
I topworked mine. Didn't like the fruit mine produced. havent had a chance to taste one grown in another location - wonder if it would taste different?
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: behlgarden on July 13, 2018, 12:59:25 PM
had another Angie last night I got from Florida. I smiled after tasting it, glad I topworked it.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: nighthawk0911@yahoo.com on July 13, 2018, 06:32:14 PM
Angie is every bit just as much a top tier mango as Diamond is............/sarc 
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 14, 2018, 07:16:22 AM
had another Angie last night I got from Florida. I smiled after tasting it, glad I topworked it.

Thanks for sharing - that indicates perhaps that rather than variable quality-just taste is subjective and this variety is especially polarizing.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2018, 07:31:33 AM
had another Angie last night I got from Florida. I smiled after tasting it, glad I topworked it.

Thanks for sharing - that indicates perhaps that rather than variable quality-just taste is subjective and this variety is especially polarizing.

I believe Behl was confirming he didnt like it and was glad he topworked the tree into something else...
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: savemejebus on July 14, 2018, 08:25:59 AM
Surprised to see Carrie in your top 5 but not Angie. They are similar in terms of flavor profile, with Angie being more firm.

Angie is a good mango as a dwarf tree but in my garden I donít put it my Top 5 . Dot, Lemon zest, Coco cream, Carrie, Sweet tart. All of them have very strong sweetness and complex flavor.

What's crazy is that I like Angie (though I wouldn't say top 5) but absolutely despise Carrie. The qualifier I'll put on that is I only enjoy Angie when it's firm/tart. Once it gets softer and develops the Carrie 'odor,' I can't stand it.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: sunworshiper on July 14, 2018, 10:02:43 PM
had another Angie last night I got from Florida. I smiled after tasting it, glad I topworked it.

Thanks for sharing - that indicates perhaps that rather than variable quality-just taste is subjective and this variety is especially polarizing.

I believe Behl was confirming he didnt like it and was glad he topworked the tree into something else...

Yep. I topworked mine too, but haven't had the chance to confirm that I dislike all Angies. All I can say for sure is I didn't like the ones my tree produced. But Behl's experience makes me think I probably just don't like them in general.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: behlgarden on July 17, 2018, 12:28:10 PM
had another Angie last night I got from Florida. I smiled after tasting it, glad I topworked it.

Thanks for sharing - that indicates perhaps that rather than variable quality-just taste is subjective and this variety is especially polarizing.

I believe Behl was confirming he didnt like it and was glad he topworked the tree into something else...

You got it right Rob. I now have no tolerance for non-performers. I give them 3-years and then out. I did that to Edward, and few others.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: StPeteMango on July 17, 2018, 10:26:28 PM
An Angie I bought from Excalibur in 2015 is bearing fruits for the first time, and they're delicious. I was late in harvesting the mangoes because of a parent's failing health, and am only now beginning to pick mangoes off trees.
Found a couple of Angie mangoes that ripened and fell of the tree, and they were great. No regrets about planting this little tree.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Capt Ram on July 20, 2018, 06:25:54 AM
What about diease resistance, to MBBS?
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Squam256 on July 20, 2018, 08:58:45 AM
What about diease resistance, to MBBS?

It appears pretty resistant.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: macias_97 on July 23, 2018, 03:45:32 PM

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Gotta agree, tasted two of three.  Probably one the worst tasting mangoes ever.  I had a third one and i just threw it away.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 24, 2018, 09:17:08 AM
Opinion/experience (or preference) is all over the place with this variety, but usually either strongly negative or positive, so my conclusion?  NOT TOP-TIER! :)  (I'll let Richard Campbell know.)  I like it enough to not chop the tree down as long as it stays healthy, and it's early-ripening.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: skhan on July 24, 2018, 09:21:47 AM
Opinion/experience (or preference) is all over the place with this variety, but usually either strongly negative or positive, so my conclusion?  NOT TOP-TIER! :)  (I'll let Richard Campbell know.)  I like it enough to not chop the tree down as long as it stays healthy, and it's early-ripening.

I don't think its top tier but if you have the room in your yard and don't mind the Carrie type flavor its pretty good.
I usually find Carrie to be more flavorful but the later Angies are a bit better.

I prefer Edgar and Valcarrie in terms of taste but the low vigor of Angie nice feature to have.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: mangokothiyan on July 24, 2018, 09:36:14 AM


I do not know why Angie has been getting such a bad rap. While not a top tier mango, it is much better than many others. The tree stays small and it is productive as well. That being said, agree with Sayyid that Edgar and Valcarrie are better in terms of taste. I'd add Dwarf Hawaiian to the list as well.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: WGphil on July 24, 2018, 10:56:26 AM
I could see it in someoneís top 25 but not a top ten by no means


Tastes vary but not up there with top dogs imo
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: JF on July 24, 2018, 10:56:46 AM
I think Angies is an excellent mango it can easily be considered top tier by some of us who love it but Carrie is even better. This years Carrie has been off but last year it was on my top ten list.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: WGphil on July 24, 2018, 11:21:25 AM
Going to another tasting tomorrow night at the Brevard Fruit Club

So far the zill types have been excellent

Of course Carrie is an older Zill type that some love and some donít

I donít and ugly Betty and Angie are not to my lfavorites either but I like m-17 which I hear is a Carrie seedling.

Carrie has a big following but I dug mine up and gave it to a buddy and itís doing fine there

Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 24, 2018, 02:28:56 PM
Going to another tasting tomorrow night at the Brevard Fruit Club

So far the zill types have been excellent

Of course Carrie is an older Zill type that some love and some donít

I donít and ugly Betty and Angie are not to my lfavorites either but I like m-17 which I hear is a Carrie seedling.

Carrie has a big following but I dug mine up and gave it to a buddy and itís doing fine there

Thanks for giving your unwanted tree to someone else.  I usually try to do the same.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Guanabanus on July 24, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
My curiosity was piqued by an earlier comment that "Angie tastes like" Australian Dollars!?
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 02, 2019, 10:21:14 AM
Update for 2019.  The fruit is smaller this year, but the flavor is better--a worthwhile trade-off in my opinion.  I think it may be true that the better your soil is, the better the flavor of Angie will be.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: skhan on June 02, 2019, 12:19:32 PM
Update for 2019.  The fruit is smaller this year, but the flavor is better--a worthwhile trade-off in my opinion.  I think it may be true that the better your soil is, the better the flavor of Angie will be.

I'm having a similar experience. Smaller but really good
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Orkine on June 02, 2019, 06:32:12 PM
Update for 2019.  The fruit is smaller this year, but the flavor is better--a worthwhile trade-off in my opinion.  I think it may be true that the better your soil is, the better the flavor of Angie will be.
Perhaps your tree heard you complain about its fruit and it changed its way :)
They must hear, there have been at least two trees I threatened to take the axe to unless they fruited and would you believe they fruited the very next year. Or perhaps the next year after that when I said really, really, would ...
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 27, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
After seven years experience with Angie and four years of commentary (along with all my hopes, prayers, and dreams), I would have to conclude in all honesty that it's NOT A TOP-TIER MANGO, not even a second-tier mango.  The flavor can vary from barely acceptable to very good, but in my experience it's not a connoisseur's mango and it's never going to wow you.  (In contrast, even Pickering outperforms it, often approaching greatness.)  The tree is a great one to work with, but that alone doesn't justify planting it.  If I had it to do over, I would not have planted this tree and wasted seven years, and if I were staying here in this house, I wouldn't hesitate to replace it with a better-tasting variety.  (All that being said, when I give it to my neighbors and friends, they seem to love it.  I guess because it's much better than what the supermarket sells or what falls from random giant seedling trees.)
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Sleepdoc on June 27, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
Angie does well in my yard.  Taste can be excellent.  Texture is excellent.  Appearance is quite good, disease resistance is quite good.

IMO, FWIW, in my yard at least, after years of experience with the fruit and tree, I would place it overall just under top tier. 

That being said, I have had some Angieís from other locations that are terrible.  One experience that comes to mind is a tasting at Harryís a few years ago.  I actually had to spit out the Angieís because they were so nasty.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 27, 2019, 12:53:59 PM
Angie does well in my yard.  Taste can be excellent.  Texture is excellent.  Appearance is quite good, disease resistance is quite good.

IMO, FWIW, in my yard at least, after years of experience with the fruit and tree, I would place it overall just under top tier. 

That being said, I have had some Angieís from other locations that are terrible.  One experience that comes to mind is a tasting at Harryís a few years ago.  I actually had to spit out the Angieís because they were so nasty.
Davie vs. coastal zone.  It may largely be about location and soil with this variety.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: starch on June 27, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
Davie vs. coastal zone.  It may largely be about location and soil with this variety.

I definitely think this is the case. I have been ordering mangos from FL for years now. And I will usually get some Angies. Sometimes they are good and occassionally very good. but often they are average/forgettable. Also several years ago I got several boxes of Alphonso mangos from Devgad over several weeks from mangozz. These were the most exquisite mangos I have ever had. So I been trying to recapture that eating experience (Angie is in the Alphonso flavor category).

I have an Angie tree in my yard, and last year it produced one mango.... and it was *exceptional*. It is so good that it would give a Devgad Alphonso a run for its money. I don't know if it is just our insane heat or what but it really brought out the best in this tree.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 27, 2019, 05:07:41 PM
With Angie thereís an off-flavor near the skin.  When this predominates, your eating experience suffers.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: WGphil on June 27, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
I hate Angie and my girlfriend doesnít like it as much as I
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Squam256 on June 27, 2019, 08:00:43 PM
I still love Angie
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: edzone9 on June 27, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
I had 1 this season and it was marginal..

Ed
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: savemejebus on June 28, 2019, 07:17:55 AM
My personal experience after 8 years or so is that Angie is an EXCELLENT mango when eaten on the firmer side of ripe. At that stage, the flavor/consistency/chalkiness is delicious (not on par with the Zill favorites but very good indeed). The tree is slow-growing and the fruit tends not to suffer from anthracnose and other disease.

That said, the moment the fruit gets 'softer,' the flavor profile changes entirely and I can't even stomach the smell, let alone the taste at that stage. It becomes an overripe Carrie very quickly and the flavor changes accordingly. Not my cup of tea at that point.

For what it's worth, I've shared many varieties of mangoes this year with family/friends, and the majority have identified Angie as their favorite. Of course, I'm hoarding the true gems like Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart, Fruit Punch, etc. I love my friends, but I love my top-tier mangoes more.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: WGphil on June 28, 2019, 07:27:30 AM
There is a funk taste in Angie that some taste and some donít

More taste it as it ripens and gets funkier

Itís like cilantro where the brain of some cause it to taste like soap while others are loving it.

So if I pass on your Angie they all taste like crap to me

Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 28, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
I should change the title to:  Angie, the #1 Most Polarizing Mango!
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: Oolie on June 28, 2019, 12:34:22 PM
I should change the title to:  Angie, the #1 Most Polarizing Mango!
It's not Carrie.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 28, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
I should change the title to:  Angie, the #1 Most Polarizing Mango!
It's not Carrie.
#1 and #2?
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: MameyDisco on June 29, 2019, 01:44:41 AM
ĎAngieí was named after Angela Whitman, William ďBillĒ Whitmanís widow! Now show some respect for her & Bill everyone. =P
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: mangomongo on June 29, 2019, 10:16:28 AM
I purchased two Angie from Alex this season that were outstanding. Picked and ripened properly, on the firm side of ripe and made it to the top tier for me. Top tier but not top 10.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: kimjy3 on June 29, 2019, 11:39:59 PM
I haven't tried many mango varieties besides the common supermarket finds, but I recently had an opportunity to try some cool ones offered by Sayyid. The Angie was by far the best tasting out of the bunch. It ripened up perfectly from green to a beautiful orange-red and the inside was sweet and fiber less.

(https://i.postimg.cc/xXNTYSpq/20190629-214432.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXNTYSpq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d78skjYY/20190629-214413.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d78skjYY)

Off topic...the Cac was also a delicious mango with a flavor reminiscent of lychee towards the skin. Very interesting flavor with some acidity to balance out the sweetness!
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on June 30, 2019, 04:46:49 PM
So that was two who loved it, but this is what Craig and Celeste had to say (thumbs down): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdO4KcH63M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tdO4KcH63M)
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: mangomongo on July 01, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
We all know taste is subjective but ive never tasted carrot in one, it was more reminiscent of apricot to me.  I have only had a few though.
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 01, 2019, 06:06:20 PM
I keep eating Ďem because Angie and Pickering are all I have right now. Some are very good (8 points out of 10).  Some not that good.  They all have the resinous off-flavor near the skin to some degree.  But the neighbors love Ďem!  Of the Pickerings and Angies I give them they all say they're the best mangos they've ever eaten.  I'd like to replace the tree with Orange Sherbet and Lemon Zest in the same hole, but will probably leave it for the next owner (to chop down and put in a swimming pool!)
Title: Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
Post by: johnb51 on July 20, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
MY FINAL EVALUATION OF ANGIE (although no one may care at this point).  I still see two fruit on the tree, and I've got a few in the refrigerator and a few in a box.  So that makes an incredibly long season from late May until now with a ton of fruit produced.  Although the flesh is totally fiberless and melting, the fruit is still rock-hard when it falls from the tree when ripe so it never suffers damage.  The tree is attractive and disease-free, and it's fairly easy to manage the height and size. The fruit is attractive, too, sometimes with a blush, and the flesh is deep orange.  Lots of vitamins, I'd imagine.

The controversy lies in the flavor, which people seem to either love or hate.  There are a few oddballs like me I guess, who are in the middle, maybe because there's so much variability from one fruit to the next.  At its best it can be an 8.5, possibly 9.  At its worst, you can barely finish it.  But with average, non-discriminating individuals (friends, neighbors), it's hugely popular, normally eliciting the comment, "Best mangos I've ever had."  (Worth mentioning that they received Pickerings, too, in the same bag.)  Sooooo...if you really like the flavor, plant a tree.  Or if you're planting 20 or more mango trees, include it in your collection if only to give the fruit away to your appreciative friends.  Is it top-tier?  Only if you're a person who REALLY likes it!