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Title: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JoeP450 on June 13, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves here for a second and be completely objective and agree that hands down the sexiest lookin mango is the maha chanok  ; ) 
(http://s23.postimg.cc/rjzv171af/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rjzv171af/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/wu4tshljb/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wu4tshljb/)

What can I say I'm super stoked to try the fruit of my labor, this single fruit pictured on the counter next to two carries I can smell from four feet away, insane! By the color it looks like it's time to dig in but it is still pretty firm so I gotta wait until it softens up. To the other members on the forum how has your maha crop been this year? Harry? Pugluvr?

-joep450
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on June 13, 2015, 10:20:27 PM
Looks perfect.   Mine are still green but ghey are from a late bloom.  Another grower has a load of green fruits also from a late bloom.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: edzone9 on June 13, 2015, 10:37:55 PM
I Am Digg-in It !

Enjoy great looking Fruit !
Ed
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Zeeth on June 13, 2015, 11:01:31 PM
Beautiful fruit!
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: puglvr1 on June 14, 2015, 07:44:03 AM

Congrats Joe! Great job...the fruit is very attractive. Don't you love the colors...Enjoy  ;D

Here's mine taken a couple of days ago...still a few weeks to go...fingers crossed all of them make it to maturity?

(http://s4.postimg.cc/d49ctskc9/IMG_5284.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d49ctskc9/)

(http://s4.postimg.cc/gnq8mhgqh/IMG_5285.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gnq8mhgqh/)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: edzone9 on June 14, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
The Maha Is Looking Good Pugs !
Enjoy !

Ed
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 14, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
Joe,

That looks very beautiful!

Was it that color when you picked it, or did it turn that nice yellow color after some time off the tree?
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 14, 2015, 01:32:39 PM
Your maha is at the state that I have been eating mine. Mine have been perfectly ripe even though they feel firm to the touch.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 14, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
Yes, sexy indeed....in a mango sort of way.  Definitely don't wait for softness.  The slightest give to thumb pressure at the stem end is about as soft as you should let it get.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: jc on June 14, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
Harry, is that when you find the flavor and aroma profiles to be the most complex?  I'm discovering that some fruit eaten at the firmness that you describe is much more complex and pleasing. 

Yes, sexy indeed....in a mango sort of way.  Definitely don't wait for softness.  The slightest give to thumb pressure at the stem end is about as soft as you should let it get.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: MangoFang on June 14, 2015, 05:07:24 PM
yes, Joe, def. a sexpot, that Maha....it's just that she tastes yucky
at my desert house so I'm wanting to kick her out of my rucksack....


$10,000,000 reward for why????

 >:(


Gary
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JoeP450 on June 16, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Brettborders: it had some yellowing on the tree with green and blush, then became full yellow while off the tree and very quickly.

Pug: Stoked for your mangos they look like they are sizing up nicely!

Harry: I took your advice and with reservation and cut into the mango last night, lucky for me it was the best time to do so as the inside looked like beginning stages of jelly seed. The mango looked perfectly ripe on outside, very fragrant but felt mostly firm, with slight give at the very top near the stem, no soft nose. I thoroughly enjoyed this mango and plan to do a video review of the next ripe one.

From my mango eating experience I find the asian mangos to be more prone to jelly seed, does anyone else find this to be an issue with their maha chanoks? (of course this observation is based off of one mango from my tree)


-JoeP450
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 16, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Is this one ready to pick?

(http://s1.postimg.cc/h8904r8pn/View_image_IMG_20150614_103318.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/h8904r8pn/)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JoeP450 on June 16, 2015, 11:14:55 AM
Not the expert on picking, but I picked my second maha this am and it had a little more pronounced yellowing, that mango is very close to picking imo, maybe other members will weigh in with more experience.

-Joep450
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 16, 2015, 11:19:05 AM
Is this one ready to pick?

([url]http://s1.postimg.cc/h8904r8pn/View_image_IMG_20150614_103318.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/h8904r8pn/[/url])


Not quite....getting close.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: puglvr1 on June 16, 2015, 11:35:26 AM

Thanks Joe, I'm really looking forward to them  ;D

Brett, I like your chicken wire fence mango protectors...can you take a picture of the whole thing? I'd like to see what you did to the top and bottom of them...were they hard to make? Thanks!!
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on June 16, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
I had my first Maha yesterday and I must say, very disappointed.  Only good thing about it was the looks from the outside.  :-[ :-\ :blank:
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 16, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
Beautiful fruit!
+1
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 16, 2015, 01:30:51 PM
I had my first Maha yesterday and I must say, very disappointed.  Only good thing about it was the looks from the outside.  :-[ :-\ :blank:

Strange.  I have had years when the first Maha fruits were watered down, but this year hasn't been so.  I think the lack of rain has really helped in the flavor department at my house.  Even Glenn, which always smells wonderful but tastes very bland and washed out in most years has a better, more deep flavor. 
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on June 16, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
I had my first Maha yesterday and I must say, very disappointed.  Only good thing about it was the looks from the outside.  :-[ :-\ :blank:

Strange.  I have had years when the first Maha fruits were watered down, but this year hasn't been so.  I think the lack of rain has really helped in the flavor department at my house.  Even Glenn, which always smells wonderful but tastes very bland and washed out in most year has a better, more deep flavor.

I have a second one I picked Sunday that should be ready today.  Hoping for what I know it can deliver.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 17, 2015, 11:05:15 AM
It's not unusual for the first couple of mangoes harvested from a particular tree to be watered down.

And, yah, glenn have been better than usual this year.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: behlgarden on June 17, 2015, 12:51:46 PM
I tasted Maja that JF brought back from Florida and was kind enough to give me to try. I took Harry's advice and cut it when it was firm yet starting to get a bit soft to push, it was excellent tasting with decent complexity. The fruit had some sponge spots and white spots inside, but overall it was great. it was consistent with Maha I tried from my deceased Maha graft last year :-) with the difference being my Maja was perfect with no issues.

Time to find original maja budwood again as my graft died recently due to rootstock failure this winter
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 18, 2015, 07:47:50 AM
Puglvr1,

Just quickly rigged something up with materials I had in my yard, haven't tested this... but hoping that it discourages rodents, birds and raccoons.


Cut a square piece of chicken wire with sturdy scissors, fold in half into taco shape.. large enough to cover the mango.  Twisted the cut ends of the chickenwire shut on the bottom and side. Slide it up over the mango and then I closed the top with "twist-ties"


(http://s27.postimg.cc/shh4r2iwv/wire.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/shh4r2iwv/)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: puglvr1 on June 18, 2015, 02:56:27 PM

Thanks Brett...other than the large holes I think it should work? But wish I could find something with smaller holes so the critters can't chew through it...but have the same 'easy to work with' as chicken wire  :)...the ones with smaller holes are very stiff and need pliers and are capable of doing some serious injuries to your hand  :(

Appreciate the picture!
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on June 19, 2015, 07:17:25 PM

Thanks Brett...other than the large holes I think it should work? But wish I could find something with smaller holes so the critters can't chew through it...but have the same 'easy to work with' as chicken wire  :)...the ones with smaller holes are very stiff and need pliers and are capable of doing some serious injuries to your hand  :(

Appreciate the picture!


My Maja should ready by late July

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3824.jpg)

here is the tree

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3825.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 20, 2015, 01:47:18 PM
My Maja should ready by late July

([url]http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3824.jpg[/url])



This is  a picture of your Mahas?
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on June 20, 2015, 03:30:30 PM
Yes Harry. I have several clusters on this little tree. I'll take better pix later
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 21, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
Maybe its the camera angle but the shape of what I see here does not look like classic Maha shape.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on June 21, 2015, 08:12:38 AM
Harry - you will enjoy this.  Yesterday Richard Wilson shared with Sheehan and myself a perfect specimen that came off the tree from the Sundy House.   The fruit size was a bit smaller but had a beautiful rosy blush on 3/4 of one cheek and the rest of the fruit was the classic yellow/gold coloration.   I cut and shared a cheek with Sheehan.   Sheehan ate the flesh scraing right down to the skin.  Well, against his customary Mahachanok comments,  he praised it for its flavor and how good it was near the skin.  UUnfortunatley I did not get any pictures,  or better yet, video with audio, to document this event.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 21, 2015, 08:27:37 AM
Thanks for the Sheehan-annecdote.  I spoke to him briefly yesterday but he didn't mention the tasting. I guess he is afraid to admit that he actually liked a Maha.  I have to say that this year's fruits at my house have been pretty darned good when eaten ripe but still quite firm.  In the past I have allowed some fruits to go a bit overripe trying to have as many varieties available for the tastings.  He may have been subjected to slightly overripe Mahas which caused him to be unimpressed by them in the past.

BTW what is the current correct Richard Wilson pronunciation of the name this mango?
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: murahilin on June 21, 2015, 08:48:47 AM
Thanks for the Sheehan-annecdote.  I spoke to him briefly yesterday but he didn't mention the tasting. I guess he is afraid to admit that he actually liked a Maha.  I have to say that this year's fruits at my house have been pretty darned good when eaten ripe but still quite firm.  In the past I have allowed some fruits to go a bit overripe trying to have as many varieties available for the tastings.  He may have been subjected to slightly overripe Mahas which caused him to be unimpressed by them in the past.

BTW what is the current correct Richard Wilson pronunciation of the name this mango?

Aren't you supposed to be driving right now? Did you take my advice and feign sickness to avoid going to Canada?

It was one of the better tasting Mahas that I've had. Much better near the skin. That means it's 100% your fault for cutting away the skin from all the mangos at your tastings. You should be ashamed.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 21, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
I didn't have to feign anything. My severe mental condition. .....MOCD (mango obsessive compulsive disease) was apparent and in full bloom.....but it was to no avail.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on June 21, 2015, 02:53:41 PM
Ok Harry, here are pix of a fruit. the back of the tree has smaller clusters of 2-4


(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3844.jpg)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3845.jpg)

The front and on it's 4 or 5 bloom holding 43 fruits

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3849.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on June 21, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
Yes......much more familiar. You had me worried there for a while.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: johnb51 on June 21, 2015, 05:20:25 PM
Tasted my first Maha yesterday.  Definitely a worthwhile mango.  Should be in the collection of everyone who has a collection.  Collection=6 or more mango trees.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 21, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Yah, I agree with Sheehan -- it's the flavor near the rind that rawks (like coca cola syrup in my opin). But one has to eat it before fully mature to appreciate the flavor. The Chanok is similar to the fairchild but with a better flesh consistency and perhaps a little sweeter.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: puglvr1 on June 22, 2015, 01:47:37 PM

Very nice Maha mango tree Joe!! It's absolutely loaded for it s size  8)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 23, 2015, 09:38:40 AM
Yesterday evening I noticed my lone Maha had colored up dramatically and the yellowing reached down to the bottom tip. I wasn't gonna take a chance with the raccoon that visits the little tree  EVERY NIGHT to dig up the mulch... so I twisted it and it popped off easily. Now it's starting to smell...  not as gently sweet and perfumey as most mangos,..  a bit more pungent and distinct.

Here it is just minutes after I picked it, before allowing it ripening off the vine:

(http://s22.postimg.cc/9vsff284t/IMG_20150622_190649.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9vsff284t/)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Heartwood on June 23, 2015, 10:57:25 AM

Schön
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on June 23, 2015, 11:15:45 AM

Schön

dies wird langsam lächerlich
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 24, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
Woah... the first fruit off my Maha Chanok tree was delicious  :) :D  ;D 

Just shared some with Ray, the maintenance man at our office. I asked if he thought it was any good. His exact words in between bites were:

"Wow that's different... But Good... like Candy... Best I ever had."

Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 30, 2015, 11:05:05 AM
I noticed that the very top of my mango - the area all around the stem, was especially concentrated with the spicy ("cola") flavor. I called it "the bottle cap."

The very bottom tip of the Maha Chanok I had was bitter and unpleasant.

Is this a characteristic of the fruits, or was that just a fluke of one particular mango?
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on June 30, 2015, 11:13:22 AM
Was it pepsi cola, coca cola, RC Cola, Coke Zero, Diet Coke, caffeine free coke or perhaps a Tab product?  Plastic bottle, vlass bottle or can?
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 30, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
hahaha

i've seen the same thing happen when someone eats a top notch mango for the first time!

thanks for sharing this feel good (taste good) story!

Woah... the first fruit off my Maha Chanok tree was delicious  :) :D  ;D 

Just shared some with Ray, the maintenance man at our office. I asked if he thought it was any good. His exact words in between bites were:

"Wow that's different... But Good... like Candy... Best I ever had."

Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Tropicdude on June 30, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Coca Cola volatiles include  eugenol, coumarin, linalool 1,8-cineole,  and others.

Some of these components are shared in some mango varieties.

I have had an interest for some time, in what components make one variety taste like it has coconut, peach,  lemon etc.    also what makes one variety more susceptible to fruit flies and another more resistant.

what has surprised me, is how much difference there is between mango varieties,  its amazing.

If anyone is interested in looking into this,  here is the best reference I have found online:  explains each of the components in mango, and what the aroma / flavor is:
http://ietd.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/2445/10/10_chapter3.pdf (http://ietd.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/2445/10/10_chapter3.pdf)

Components of Maha and Nam Doc Mai,   sadly the lactones are not listed here,   which I suspect MC is high in.
http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/19%20%2804%29%202012/22%20IFRJ%2019%20%2804%29%202012%20Laohaprasit%20%28024%29.pdf (http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/19%20%2804%29%202012/22%20IFRJ%2019%20%2804%29%202012%20Laohaprasit%20%28024%29.pdf)

Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on June 30, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
Coca Cola volatiles include  eugenol, coumarin, linalool 1,8-cineole,  and others.

Some of these components are shared in some mango varieties.

I have had an interest for some time, in what components make one variety taste like it has coconut, peach,  lemon etc.    also what makes one variety more susceptible to fruit flies and another more resistant.

what has surprised me, is how much difference there is between mango varieties,  its amazing.

If anyone is interested in looking into this,  here is the best reference I have found online:  explains each of the components in mango, and what the aroma / flavor is:
[url]http://ietd.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/2445/10/10_chapter3.pdf[/url] ([url]http://ietd.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/2445/10/10_chapter3.pdf[/url])

Components of Maha and Nam Doc Mai,   sadly the lactones are not listed here,   which I suspect MC is high in.
[url]http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/19%20%2804%29%202012/22%20IFRJ%2019%20%2804%29%202012%20Laohaprasit%20%28024%29.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/19%20%2804%29%202012/22%20IFRJ%2019%20%2804%29%202012%20Laohaprasit%20%28024%29.pdf[/url])


Tropicdude,

Thanks for the fascinating information! Scientific, biochemically based "mango reviews" - no wine tasting b.s., just good old fashioned Likens-Nickerson
Simultaneous distillation-extraction (LNSDE) and Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS) data ;)

The ZINC-family and the Maha Chanok must both contain similar volatile compounds. And the Maha may have a different aroma compound in addition to the classics.

I also was fascinated to read in the second link Keow Savoy mango is eaten with with fish sauce.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 30, 2015, 03:08:28 PM
haha! that's rad. So, those of us who sense cola syrup are not loco after all!

In general it's been a bad year for mango flavor, probably due to the fact that so many bore early. Many mangoes suffered from washed out flavor and/or internal breakdown. You'll notice that this year's posts are rife with negative commentary regarding many of the top tier mangoes.

However, Maha Chanok was one of the few that were consistently delectable this year. I'm definitely planting mine out.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: cbss_daviefl on June 30, 2015, 04:47:53 PM
I fell victim to the soda syrup psychosis while eating a maha today but the miniature pink elephant riding a unicycle through my kitchen told me it was just my imagination!   ??? ;) :P ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 30, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
haha! that's rad. So, those of us who sense cola syrup are not loco after all!

In general it's been a bad year for mango flavor, probably due to the fact that so many bore early. Many mangoes suffered from washed out flavor and/or internal breakdown. You'll notice that this year's posts are rife with negative commentary regarding many of the top tier mangoes.

However, Maha Chanok was one of the few that were consistently delectable this year. I'm definitely planting mine out.

I fell victim to the soda syrup psychosis while eating a maha today but the miniature pink elephant riding a unicycle through my kitchen told me it was just my imagination!   ??? ;) :P ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness



here is my theory...

Coca Cola (and similar sodas) taste sweet and intense, and the exact flavor is hard to describe, being that it's a complex formula comprised of an assortment ingredients.

the maha has an intensely sweet flavor, with an array of flavors, having an almost syrupy, rich flavor in the flesh.  Maybe this is why people can easily make the association with coca cola?
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on July 01, 2015, 07:50:06 AM
haha! that's rad. So, those of us who sense cola syrup are not loco after all!

In general it's been a bad year for mango flavor, probably due to the fact that so many bore early. Many mangoes suffered from washed out flavor and/or internal breakdown. You'll notice that this year's posts are rife with negative commentary regarding many of the top tier mangoes.

However, Maha Chanok was one of the few that were consistently delectable this year. I'm definitely planting mine out.

I fell victim to the soda syrup psychosis while eating a maha today but the miniature pink elephant riding a unicycle through my kitchen told me it was just my imagination!   ??? ;) :P ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness



here is my theory...

Coca Cola (and similar sodas) taste sweet and intense, and the exact flavor is hard to describe, being that it's a complex formula comprised of an assortment ingredients.

the maha has an intensely sweet flavor, with an array of flavors, having an almost syrupy, rich flavor in the flesh.  Maybe this is why people can easily make the association with coca cola?

Despite all the illusionists, the Mahachanok does not have an intensely sweet flavor.  It is very well balanced and definitely sweet but in no way would it be classified as intensely sweet.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: bsbullie on July 01, 2015, 07:54:44 AM
haha! that's rad. So, those of us who sense cola syrup are not loco after all!

In general it's been a bad year for mango flavor, probably due to the fact that so many bore early. Many mangoes suffered from washed out flavor and/or internal breakdown. You'll notice that this year's posts are rife with negative commentary regarding many of the top tier mangoes.

However, Maha Chanok was one of the few that were consistently delectable this year. I'm definitely planting mine out.

While some have been disappointing from the early bloom, Coconut Cream for one, there are many that have no sshortcomings.   Sweet Tart,  Fruit Punch,  Taralay   Lemon Zest,  Guava,  Pineapple Pleasure,  Mallika and Spirit of 76 are just a few that come to mind that have had no flavor sacrifices this year.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 01, 2015, 11:28:51 AM
yes, it's quite sweet, but not intensely sweet...(like a sapodila)
the flavor is intense though...it would have been a better description to just say "intense flavor"

but you see the point I'm trying to illustrate about the cola comparison.

both are intense flavors, that are complex and difficult to describe.

haha! that's rad. So, those of us who sense cola syrup are not loco after all!

In general it's been a bad year for mango flavor, probably due to the fact that so many bore early. Many mangoes suffered from washed out flavor and/or internal breakdown. You'll notice that this year's posts are rife with negative commentary regarding many of the top tier mangoes.

However, Maha Chanok was one of the few that were consistently delectable this year. I'm definitely planting mine out.

I fell victim to the soda syrup psychosis while eating a maha today but the miniature pink elephant riding a unicycle through my kitchen told me it was just my imagination!   ??? ;) :P ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness



here is my theory...

Coca Cola (and similar sodas) taste sweet and intense, and the exact flavor is hard to describe, being that it's a complex formula comprised of an assortment ingredients.

the maha has an intensely sweet flavor, with an array of flavors, having an almost syrupy, rich flavor in the flesh.  Maybe this is why people can easily make the association with coca cola?

Despite all the illusionists, the Mahachanok does not have an intensely sweet flavor.  It is very well balanced and definitely sweet but in no way would it be classified as intensely sweet.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: jc on July 01, 2015, 11:32:37 AM
My first of two MC crops started ripening this past week. Happy to say they are much more complex in flavor and aroma than last year.

Some claim to not detect aroma in the ripe MC. I am every bit the opposite. I can smell ripening fruit/sap as I get close to my tree. The sap from the fruit has the strongest aroma but the aroma of the flowers, crushed new leaves, and ripe skin all have the same aroma but to a lesser intensity. To ME, the aroma is similar to acetone or other ketone organic compounds. I like the smell of acetone and other ketones.

As I scrape the MC flesh from the skin with my teeth, I get more ketone impression in the flavor.  I dont get much of that flavor from the flesh as it gets closer to the seed. Once again, to ME, I can detect lesser amounts of the fruity ketone smell in other mango sap just much less intense. 

Its that fruity ketone aroma/flavor that I find so intriguing.  I detect it in other intense fruit like the Sweet Tart too.

I can't say I find a cola syrup flavor in mangoes. 



Coca Cola volatiles include  eugenol, coumarin, linalool 1,8-cineole,  and others.

Some of these components are shared in some mango varieties.

I have had an interest for some time, in what components make one variety taste like it has coconut, peach,  lemon etc.    also what makes one variety more susceptible to fruit flies and another more resistant.

what has surprised me, is how much difference there is between mango varieties,  its amazing.

If anyone is interested in looking into this,  here is the best reference I have found online:  explains each of the components in mango, and what the aroma / flavor is:
[url]http://ietd.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/2445/10/10_chapter3.pdf[/url] ([url]http://ietd.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/2445/10/10_chapter3.pdf[/url])

Components of Maha and Nam Doc Mai,   sadly the lactones are not listed here,   which I suspect MC is high in.
[url]http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/19%20%2804%29%202012/22%20IFRJ%2019%20%2804%29%202012%20Laohaprasit%20%28024%29.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/19%20%2804%29%202012/22%20IFRJ%2019%20%2804%29%202012%20Laohaprasit%20%28024%29.pdf[/url])


Tropicdude,

Thanks for the fascinating information! Scientific, biochemically based "mango reviews" - no wine tasting b.s., just good old fashioned Likens-Nickerson
Simultaneous distillation-extraction (LNSDE) and Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS) data ;)

The ZINC-family and the Maha Chanok must both contain similar volatile compounds. And the Maha may have a different aroma compound in addition to the classics.

I also was fascinated to read in the second link Keow Savoy mango is eaten with with fish sauce.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: HMHausman on July 01, 2015, 12:54:10 PM
Wow......I just re-read this thread, got a really good laugh and was amazed to see the amount of discussion/argument/analysis is being devoted to the flavor of the Maha Chanok mango, on its own and in comparison with other dynamic mangoes.  I really think you people are a little crazy.  No...actually not a little. Its ridiculous and absurd.......and, I love it. ;)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: Dangermouse01 on July 01, 2015, 03:58:01 PM
Always wondered why my diet Pepsi tasted like mango. Not all of it just the part out near the can surface. ;D

DM
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on July 02, 2015, 03:05:33 PM
People discussing the flavor of popular mango on a tropical fruit discussion forum!@ What is this world coming to?  :-X  ;)

Secretly, I'm kind of glad we can't easily grow durian and mangosteens here in FL. If we did, I would be at risk for full blown insanity.

Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on August 03, 2015, 01:00:00 AM
I've had about a dozen Mahachanok they've been exquisite....finally got it down in Socal

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_4320.jpg)

Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: BrettBorders on August 03, 2015, 09:48:47 AM
how long was your tree's Maha Chanok season this year? Approx what month from first mango to the last? (e.g. late june through late July)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: clannewton on August 03, 2015, 09:57:05 AM

Thanks Brett...other than the large holes I think it should work? But wish I could find something with smaller holes so the critters can't chew through it...but have the same 'easy to work with' as chicken wire  :)...the ones with smaller holes are very stiff and need pliers and are capable of doing some serious injuries to your hand  :(

Appreciate the picture!


My Maja should ready by late July

([url]http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3824.jpg[/url])

here is the tree

([url]http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/IMG_3825.jpg[/url])

You can take your chicken wire and create an inner liner with aluminum screen(used for windows).  Has worked like a champ at my place when the squirrels were still getting their paws thru the chicken wire.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on August 03, 2015, 11:33:53 AM
how long was your tree's Maha Chanok season this year? Approx what month from first mango to the last? (e.g. late june through late July)

Brett
I had my first 10 days ago. My first bloom was February and last in May late April. I have about 25 fruits on the tree so I figure I'll be eating Maha into Sept
 
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on August 13, 2015, 11:20:57 PM
Have ate 30 Mahas. 21 still on the tree and are now finishing ripening. This fruit is excellent with a brix of 23 one of the sweetest mango out there. I doubt if this tree will fruit next season I have never seen a tree this size produce so many high quality fruits.


(http://s13.postimg.cc/eaj8sh6mr/IMG_4395.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/eaj8sh6mr/)
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: wslau on August 14, 2015, 12:13:14 AM
JF,

Glad to hear that Maha has somewhat redeemed itself in Southern California.  I recall that it did not do as well in last year's tastings.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on August 14, 2015, 12:22:18 AM
JF,

Glad to hear that Maha has somewhat redeemed itself in Southern California.  I recall that it do not do as well in last year's tastings.

Yes that's correct Warren. Gary nor I could get a decent tasting Maha last year but this tree from Excalibur produces in clusters and smaller fruits. I brought 10 Maha's that were harvest early to Peter's tasting and the ones ripening now on the tree are sweeter and more complex as it warms up.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: puglvr1 on August 14, 2015, 08:24:59 AM
VERY nice Joe!!! Congrats...all 5 of my Mahas made it except one (found 1 eaten all the way to the seed)  :'(...hoping for a much more productive year next season...but not bad considering I just planted mine inground last Aug.
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: JF on August 14, 2015, 10:19:51 AM
VERY nice Joe!!! Congrats...all 5 of my Mahas made it except one (found 1 eaten all the way to the seed)  :'(...hoping for a much more productive year next season...but not bad considering I just planted mine inground last Aug.

Hi Nancy

Maha appears to be another well adapted variety for SoCal. I can only imagine the crop this tree is going to put out when it matures in 5 years
Title: Re: 1st maha off my tree
Post by: simon_grow on August 14, 2015, 11:19:39 AM
I'm hoping to harvest the first Maha off my tree very soon. Someone mentioned in a previous post that my fruit were not shaped like the typical Mahas but my tree produces slightly different shaped fruit depending on if the flower pannicle was formed on newer or more mature wood. Half my fruit cracked, all early fruit. Here is what's left. I'm hoping the big guy will hold until the September Mango tasting as I feel it will be full flavored and sweet.

The S shaped fruit are from newer wood and look like typical Mahas.

Simon
(http://s2.postimg.cc/45cp4s1w5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/45cp4s1w5/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/jlq9f26j9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jlq9f26j9/)

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