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Title: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangokothiyan on December 23, 2016, 05:27:47 PM
Can anyone shed light on the taste and productivity of these varieties? A friend of mine got these varieties from Zills the other day. I was told that they were released earlier this month along with Phoenix, Orange Essence, Seacrest and Providence.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Squam256 on December 23, 2016, 05:38:54 PM
I've had most of these and they're all good to excellent, but Kathy (K-3) is the best of the bunch, especially if you're a fan of Sweet Tart, of which it's a sibling from Zill Indochinese.

Before anyone asks, Orange Essence bears no relation to Orange Sherbet from what I understand . Still excellent though.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangokothiyan on December 23, 2016, 05:47:10 PM

I have Sweet Tart. Would it make sense to add Kathy? I tasted Cotton Candy last year and was really impressed.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Squam256 on December 23, 2016, 06:06:50 PM

I have Sweet Tart. Would it make sense to add Kathy? I tasted Cotton Candy last year and was really impressed.

I think it's worth having both yes. I group Kathy in the same "flavor class" as Sweet Tart and the other Zinc progeny similar to how one would group The Burmese mangos and their descendants (Lemon Zest, Orange Sherbet). You can see the similarity but they definitely aren't identical.

K-3 also tends to make larger fruit Fwiw.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: beefyboy on December 23, 2016, 09:12:55 PM
Hey Squam!  Have you tasted Orange Essence? I have read obviously limited reports of how it tastes. Quote: like an orange lifesaver with sugar cane. If that's the case, it would match up quite well to Orange Sherbet. Also, a question on Peach Cobbler? I have the tree and will be letting it fruit this year! From what I have read, It seems to bear at similar times to Venus, or within about a week or so, is this somewhat correct? beginning to Middle of August ?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: John Travis on December 23, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
Wow these new varieties sound great! Where are they being sold? I'm sure I'd have to trek down to south FL, but these might be worth the trip. Thanks!
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: beefyboy on December 23, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Its getting crazy! only so much land. I tend to give away trees if I don't like them. I stocked a few homes with throw away trees over the years.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 23, 2016, 10:49:11 PM
I've had most of these and they're all good to excellent, but Kathy (K-3) is the best of the bunch, especially if you're a fan of Sweet Tart, of which it's a sibling from Zill Indochinese.

Before anyone asks, Orange Essence bears no relation to Orange Sherbet from what I understand . Still excellent though.

Correct, no relation or resemblance to Orange Sherbert.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 23, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
No offense to the Zills but Delores is not in the same class with any of them whatsoever.

Anyone recall what number designation Nancy is.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangomongo on December 24, 2016, 08:03:08 AM
No offense to the Zills but Delores is not in the same class with any of them whatsoever.

Anyone recall what number designation Nancy is.

 Is That to say it's better?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: johnb51 on December 24, 2016, 08:54:51 AM
No Cotton Candy yet? 
Rob, which is the best?
How is Seacrest?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangokothiyan on December 24, 2016, 08:59:57 AM

I have had both Cotton Candy and Seacrest. They are both excellent. Definitely top tier, for my taste buds at least.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: johnb51 on December 24, 2016, 09:26:27 AM

I have had both Cotton Candy and Seacrest. They are both excellent. Definitely top tier, for my taste buds at least.
Please describe Seacrest--flavor, appearance, when it ripens, tree characteristics.  Thank you.  (You're in Coral Springs.  Nearby.  Good to know, or should I say, "Good to know you"?!!)  You must have a lot of mango trees.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
To put it bluntly,  Delores is subpar at best.

Out of all that have been or will be released, Cotton Candy and Phoenix are by far  head and shoulders above the rest.   

Next would be Kathy which for those who have not had it and as described above, is from the ZINC just as Sweet Tart is.  Fruit size is larger than ST.  Taste is different and very good but those with a keen set of taste buds will detect the relationship between the three.

Seacrest comes from an Edward which I believe may have been crossed with Gary.  It can be good but would not put it in that top class as LZ, ST. OS, CC, Phoenix,  Peach Cobbler. Juicy Peach,  etc.  It falls more under the category of a clean, sweet and juicy mango such as Harvest Moon but lacks that "wow factor" like those in what I and others would call top tier.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 24, 2016, 11:37:39 AM
What's the difference between Venus and Kathy?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: kalan on December 24, 2016, 12:07:04 PM
What's the difference between Venus and Kathy?

And along those lines, I was wondering about the seasons for each of these new types. I imagine Seacrest by be a bit early-mid given its Edward parentage, but is Kathy late?

I'm at the point in my yard where I'm looking more to extend season. Is Kathy late like Venus?
Rob, any light you can shed here? Thanks.
Keith
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: EJO8 on December 24, 2016, 12:33:39 PM
What is the flavor of lil gem and ambrosia? Anyone know the parentage?

Eric
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
If I had to answer, I would say Venus can extend a tad longer than Kathy.  Both are in the August and beyond class, depending on bloom tumes.

Taste. I might want tonsay Kathy has more characteristics od ZINC or ST but not identical to either.  Venus has its own flavor profile that seperates it from ST.

Seacrest is usually a later portion of early season to mid season.  Definitely not as early as a straight Edward.

Cotton Candy is also later season.

Delores is later season but I would not reserve a space for ut if I had any say.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: skhan on December 24, 2016, 12:53:13 PM
I've had sweet tart,  Venus and Zinc.
I love the flavor of sweet tart but the texture is something that I'm not too high on. I'm a fan of a more jelly pectin type texture.
I found the texture of Venus and Zinc more agreeable to me.
What's the texture of Kathy like?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: JF on December 24, 2016, 12:55:05 PM
What is the flavor of lil gem and ambrosia? Anyone know the parentage?

Eric

What about butterbean or a pot of gold?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 01:01:37 PM
What is the flavor of lil gem and ambrosia? Anyone know the parentage?

Eric

What about butterbean or a pot of gold?

That would be Buttercream, lol.  May be in the works but no immediate plans.  I know you, Jeff and Peter really liked it but I wasnt overly impressed with it.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
This what I know about Little Gem.  It is highly productive with odd shaped and varying sized.  Has rich flavor, firm dark orange pulp and free of fiber. Tree grows compact but not dewarf.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
I've had sweet tart,  Venus and Zinc.
I love the flavor of sweet tart but the texture is something that I'm not too high on. I'm a fan of a more jelly pectin type texture.
I found the texture of Venus and Zinc more agreeable to me.
What's the texture of Kathy like?

Kathy is more like ZINC in texture but can get a little on the soft side but maybe not as a fully ripe ST.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: JF on December 24, 2016, 01:09:20 PM
This what I know about Little Gem.  It is highly productive with odd shaped and varying sized.  Has rich flavor, firm dark orange pulp and free of fiber. Tree grows compact but not dewarf.

There are so many varieties out there I'm going to have to dig out a few trees and make some cocktail
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: skhan on December 24, 2016, 01:11:13 PM
I've had sweet tart,  Venus and Zinc.
I love the flavor of sweet tart but the texture is something that I'm not too high on. I'm a fan of a more jelly pectin type texture.
I found the texture of Venus and Zinc more agreeable to me.
What's the texture of Kathy like?

Kathy is more like ZINC in texture but can get a little on the soft side but maybe not as a fully ripe ST.

Thanks for the info Rob
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangokothiyan on December 24, 2016, 03:45:23 PM

I have had both Cotton Candy and Seacrest. They are both excellent. Definitely top tier, for my taste buds at least.
Please describe Seacrest--flavor, appearance, when it ripens, tree characteristics.  Thank you.  (You're in Coral Springs.  Nearby.  Good to know, or should I say, "Good to know you"?!!)  You must have a lot of mango trees.

I don't have a tried but after tasting Seacrest from Walter in 2015, I was so impressed that I had Har top-work it on to my Glenn. From what I have seen, it is a vigorous grower; Seacrest and Edgar are the two that have grown the most of the varieties that were top-worked.  From what I recall, it is a mid to late season mango. I do not know how to describe the taste, but it was the best mango that I had that year.  Sizable fruit. The taste and texture reminded me of Coconut Cream and Ugly Betty, for some reason.

Glad to meet you, John. I thought I would be happy with just a couple of trees, but these Zill varieties were just too tempting. I have about 15 mango trees now, with a few other varieties topworked.
 
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: johnb51 on December 24, 2016, 03:47:14 PM
Yes, Rob always seems to have the most experience with and most comprehensive knowledge of Zill mangos.  (He must be an honorary member of the family by now.)
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 03:52:49 PM

I have had both Cotton Candy and Seacrest. They are both excellent. Definitely top tier, for my taste buds at least.
Please describe Seacrest--flavor, appearance, when it ripens, tree characteristics.  Thank you.  (You're in Coral Springs.  Nearby.  Good to know, or should I say, "Good to know you"?!!)  You must have a lot of mango trees.

I don't have a tried but after tasting Seacrest from Walter in 2015, I was so impressed that I had Har top-work it on to my Glenn. From what I have seen, it is a vigorous grower; Seacrest and Edgar are the two that have grown the most of the varieties that were top-worked.  From what I recall, it is a mid to late season mango. I do not know how to describe the taste, but it was the best mango that I had that year.  Sizable fruit. The taste and texture reminded me of Coconut Cream and Ugly Betty, for some reason.

Glad to meet you, John. I thought I would be happy with just a couple of trees, but these Zill varieties were just too tempting. I have about 15 mango trees now, with a few other varieties topworked.

Guess you missed my post from the previous page.  Seacrest is the later part of early season to mid season.  Texture is similar to its parent, Edward.   No similarity in texture to Coconut Cream which is a softer texture.  Size of the fruit is in the medium class.  Bigger than a Carrie but smaller than Keitt, Fruit Punch, Pineapple Pleasure, Providence and the other biggies.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangokothiyan on December 24, 2016, 03:58:38 PM


I stand corrected. Yes, the mango was definitely smaller than a Keitt. Awesome mango, but have heard that it is not the most productive variety.




Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 05:04:28 PM
I stand corrected. Yes, the mango was definitely smaller than a Keitt. Awesome mango, but have heard that it is not the most productive variety.

On average, production is moderate (though with any variety it can vary from year to year...I have seen anywhere from light to almost heavy).

One thing to keep in mind, cayse it seems peoe have been commenting and judging varieties based on productivity...there are not a lot of varieties where production is consistently heavy (those who have top worked one branch should not be the best judge).  The only think that might upset me is if production was consistently light, and by consistently I mean every tree in every lication.  Not one individual's tree in one location.  There are a handful of excellent varieties in Gary's collection that are of super high quality but have not been, and may never be, released due to actual light production.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangomongo on December 24, 2016, 05:24:01 PM
Any first hand knowledge on Ambrosia?  Being named after the "Food of the Gods" is a lot of hype to live up to.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on December 24, 2016, 07:35:51 PM
K-3, "Kathy" is one of my favorites.  Creamy texture, top-tier excellent flavor, skin covered with resin sparkles that show proper maturity for picking.  In 2015, I picked from over a dozen 'Kathy' trees at different Zill-owned locations, from most of early season, all through mid-season, and partly into late season.  (This length of season did not occur on an individual tree--- so differences of soil and sun exposure and irrigation systems apparently contributed.)
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on December 24, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Let's not forget 'Fruit Punch'!   Definitely top-tier.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on December 24, 2016, 07:44:32 PM
'Nancy' and 'Deloris' are late season, very-good-to-heavy producers, with better fruit-skin resistance to anthracnose (on original trees in 2015) than 'Kent' and 'Keitt'.  Their flavors:  just good enough maybe to compete with traditional late-season varieties, such as 'Keitt', and such as 'Kent' as it is often grown.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on December 24, 2016, 07:50:04 PM
'Ambrosia' was so named because it was in row A.  I didn't taste enough of it to form an opinion.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: John Travis on December 24, 2016, 08:05:02 PM
Glad to see everyone weighing in on these excellent varieties! Can anyone point me in the direction of a nursery that is selling any of these top tier varieties, or to someone who will be selling scions after harvest. I would really appreciate it. It seems like the mango fanatics are all in South FL and here in central FL there is not the same enthusiasm. Thanks for any help! I would be happy to buy or trade. I mostly have jaboticaba varieties if that's interesting to anyone has need. (Red, grimal, sabara)
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: skhan on December 24, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
'Nancy' and 'Deloris' are late season, very-good-to-heavy producers, with better fruit-skin resistance to anthracnose (on original trees in 2015) than 'Kent' and 'Keitt'.  Their flavors:  just good enough maybe to compete with traditional late-season varieties, such as 'Keitt', and such as 'Kent' as it is often grown.

From your description they seem like work horses geared towards commercial production.
If they can come close to Keitt in terms of season and have a higher disease resistance then they might have a place in my yard.

Its nice to see some of the newer Zill releases aren't solely focused on flavor.
Is there anything in the pipeline for early season varieties, like Rosa and Dwarf Hawaiian? All i know is Guava
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 24, 2016, 10:15:41 PM
K-3, "Kathy" is one of my favorites.  Creamy texture, top-tier excellent flavor, skin covered with resin sparkles that show proper maturity for picking.  In 2015, I picked from over a dozen 'Kathy' trees at different Zill-owned locations, from most of early season, all through mid-season, and partly into late season.  (This length of season did not occur on an individual tree--- so differences of soil and sun exposure and irrigation systems apparently contributed.)

All characteristics inherited from its parent,  ZINC, which has a early and late crop...the late crop is distinctly of better quality.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Barnacle1982 on December 25, 2016, 12:36:40 PM
How is the disease resistance on these variables, and are they productive?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Dada on December 25, 2016, 03:19:09 PM
How about disease resistance of all these wonderful varieties? Particularly how susceptible are they to anthracnose?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 25, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
Hmm, this sounds enticing. Is either as late as keitt?

'Nancy' and 'Deloris' are late season, very-good-to-heavy producers, with better fruit-skin resistance to anthracnose (on original trees in 2015) than 'Kent' and 'Keitt'.  Their flavors:  just good enough maybe to compete with traditional late-season varieties, such as 'Keitt', and such as 'Kent' as it is often grown.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 25, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
How is the disease resistance on these variables, and are they productive?

As Har stated, Nancy and Delores appear to have very good disease resistance.

I commented on Lil Gem above.

From what I have seen, Kathy appears to be a decently clean tree...as are its parent and sister, ZINC and Sweet Tart.

The only one I am not positive of is Phoenix  however Gary is not accustomed to releasing varieties that have known poor/bad traits.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 25, 2016, 03:23:42 PM
Hmm, this sounds enticing. Is either as late as keitt?

'Nancy' and 'Deloris' are late season, very-good-to-heavy producers, with better fruit-skin resistance to anthracnose (on original trees in 2015) than 'Kent' and 'Keitt'.  Their flavors:  just good enough maybe to compete with traditional late-season varieties, such as 'Keitt', and such as 'Kent' as it is often grown.

Delores is late like Keitt  (not sure I would say into October/November but definitely well into September.   The problem with Delores is that it is not top tier quality.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on December 25, 2016, 07:49:30 PM
'Kathy' is not particularly disease resistant on the fruit skin, as it tends to have many mini cracks in the skin.  I hear it has been grossely atacked with anthracnose and other such fungi in very wet times.  I didn't see any of that in 2015.

I believe we can safely recommend 'Kathy' for lower-humidity areas, such as the sandy intra-coastal ridges, within the influence of the sea breeze, here in southern Florida.
(I would like to see someone with a grove in the acreage, who sprays quite a bit, to try it--- as a challenge.)
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 25, 2016, 08:58:29 PM
'Kathy' is not particularly disease resistant on the fruit skin, as it tends to have many mini cracks in the skin.  I hear it has been grossely atacked with anthracnose and other such fungi in very wet times.  I didn't see any of that in 2015.

I believe we can safely recommend 'Kathy' for lower-humidity areas, such as the sandy intra-coastal ridges, within the influence of the sea breeze, here in southern Florida.
(I would like to see someone with a grove in the acreage, who sprays quite a bit, to try it--- as a challenge.)

I dont see this any different than than its parent or sister (I know your take is its anthracnose however I am not convinced that is the cause of the skin cracking...I believe shape of the fruit, with its squared shoulders, are the cause of the craxking).  Even the ZINC and Sweet Tart trees at Walter's have exhibited these conditions however not all the fruit on any specific tree seems to be affected.  I would go further that under normal South Florida conditions (I say normal cause as you mentioned, some seasons the climate  can be extremely wet which can wreak havoc on mamy varieties  not normally affected) they so not seem to exhibit much in the way of detrimental issues.

As you said, the Kathy fruit were clean in 2015, and I will add I saw them similarly clean in previous yeats.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 26, 2016, 12:59:10 AM
That's fine. Keitt isn't a top tier mango either :-).

Hmm, this sounds enticing. Is either as late as keitt?

'Nancy' and 'Deloris' are late season, very-good-to-heavy producers, with better fruit-skin resistance to anthracnose (on original trees in 2015) than 'Kent' and 'Keitt'.  Their flavors:  just good enough maybe to compete with traditional late-season varieties, such as 'Keitt', and such as 'Kent' as it is often grown.

Delores is late like Keitt  (not sure I would say into October/November but definitely well into September.   The problem with Delores is that it is not top tier quality.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Barnacle1982 on December 26, 2016, 08:31:56 AM
Are they good producers, and how is the disease resistance on these varieties?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on December 26, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
That's fine. Keitt isn't a top tier mango either :-).

Hmm, this sounds enticing. Is either as late as keitt?

'Nancy' and 'Deloris' are late season, very-good-to-heavy producers, with better fruit-skin resistance to anthracnose (on original trees in 2015) than 'Kent' and 'Keitt'.  Their flavors:  just good enough maybe to compete with traditional late-season varieties, such as 'Keitt', and such as 'Kent' as it is often grown.

Delores is late like Keitt  (not sure I would say into October/November but definitely well into September.   The problem with Delores is that it is not top tier quality.

I have had Delores over the last few years and they do not even compete with the level ofna Keitt.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: johnb51 on December 26, 2016, 08:59:24 AM
Wouldn't it be super-useful if we could come up with a chart listing all the Zill introductions of the last few years, starting with Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart, and include fruit information, tree information, ripening season for South Florida, and a rating of 1 to 5 stars?  You know, all-the-information-in-one-place kind of chart.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on December 26, 2016, 10:38:00 AM
On 'Kathy' the mini cracks appear on clean fruit and are harmless and barely noticeable in dry weather, and probably re-seal--- so definitely not "caused by anthracnose".

The mini cracks that occur freshly during wet weather are open invitations to bacterial and fungal decay organisms, including anthracnose.   This occasional issue caused Gary Zill's hesitance to release this variety, but several of us campaigned until he relented.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Dangermouse01 on December 26, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
Wouldn't it be super-useful if we could come up with a chart listing all the Zill introductions of the last few years, starting with Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart, and include fruit information, tree information, ripening season for South Florida, and a rating of 1 to 5 stars?  You know, all-the-information-in-one-place kind of chart.

Well there is this thread.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1586.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1586.0)
Which has this list.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T5yroo6oqvsERObsP-LtgS_zX43TkEMcqtf4_CajGGE/edit#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T5yroo6oqvsERObsP-LtgS_zX43TkEMcqtf4_CajGGE/edit#gid=0)

DM
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: gozp on January 15, 2017, 02:53:25 PM
How is the growth habit & taste of cotton candy & honey kiss?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 15, 2017, 08:31:55 PM
How is the growth habit & taste of cotton candy & honey kiss?

Cotton Candy  - grafted on nursery stock, TBD.  On Turpentine in California,  a death sentence.

Honey Kiss  - very compaxt and on the slower side.

Taste - best to do a forum search.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on January 15, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
How is the growth habit & taste of cotton candy & honey kiss?

Cotton Candy  - grafted on nursery stock, TBD.  On Turpentine in California,  a death sentence.

Honey Kiss  - very compaxt and on the slower side.

Taste - best to do a forum search.

Honey kiss is still in my wife's top two!
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: gozp on January 16, 2017, 12:06:32 AM
Thank u so much bsbullie.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 16, 2017, 12:57:57 AM
Thank u so much bsbullie.

When Honey Kiss is grown here and harvested with color the sap smells like honey, the exterior of the whole fruit smells like honey  and the flesh taates like a complex mamgo that has a distincny orange blossom honey flavor.    .When harvested green it does not give off the honey aroma. Can tend to wrinkle a little and get stem end rot,  and not show off that honey flavored mango taste (very much different from the honey plain sweet of NDN. 

The cotton candy has a light to medium firm texture that is a complex sugary cotton candy with a slight line of subacid balance.

I have seen.fruit than have been picked a little early or fruit is medium ripe the fruit is still sweet but a more su
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: StPeteMango on January 16, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
The Honey Kiss I got from Rob/Excalibur couple of years ago is compact and quite slow-growing. Its nodes are close together, so if you're tipping, it's going to get quite bushy (something I prefer) rather than vertical.
In order of growth, it's about the size of the Angie I got at the same time; some of the Angie's leaves are a bit gnarly / somewhat burnt at the tips - the Honey Kiss is very green and much healthier looking. Could have to do with where they are planted.
A Fairchild (also obtained at the same time) is a bit taller than the Honey Kiss; a Providence is somewhat taller, a Maha Chanok taller still. The Maha has some panicles, and is carrying some small fruit as well.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 16, 2017, 10:49:42 PM
The Honey Kiss I got from Rob/Excalibur couple of years ago is compact and quite slow-growing. Its nodes are close together, so if you're tipping, it's going to get quite bushy (something I prefer) rather than vertical.
In order of growth, it's about the size of the Angie I got at the same time; some of the Angie's leaves are a bit gnarly / somewhat burnt at the tips - the Honey Kiss is very green and much healthier looking. Could have to do with where they are planted.
A Fairchild (also obtained at the same time) is a bit taller than the Honey Kiss; a Providence is somewhat taller, a Maha Chanok taller still. The Maha has some panicles, and is carrying some small fruit as well.

Other than the Mahachanok, everything you got that day were trees from ZHPP.  The Angie is susceptible to scab which is most likely what is affecting it.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: StPeteMango on January 16, 2017, 11:16:09 PM
Rob, does it help to spray something on the Angie? If so, what kind of spray?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 16, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
Rob, does it help to spray something on the Angie? If so, what kind of spray?

Copper...the actual type that Jeff (CookieMonster) uses would be the one I would recommend.   Jeff has posted the name in multiple threads.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 12:21:30 AM
Nordox is what I use. Very effective, but a little pricey, as you have to buy 12.5 pounds of it.

Angie is a dirty mango tree no matter what fungicide you use, but at least you'll get a good harvest with fungicide.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangomongo on January 17, 2017, 05:14:36 PM
How big could one expect the little gem tree to get ? Would it be worthy of yard space if space is limited ?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 17, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
How big could one expect the little gem tree to get ? Would it be worthy of yard space if space is limited ?

Its comoact and goid producer but quality is below Cotton Candy and Phoenix and many of the other newer top tier varieties.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: gozp on January 17, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
If u were to choose 1 which would u prefer & why between cotton candy & phoenix?


Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 17, 2017, 09:13:57 PM
If u were to choose 1 which would u prefer & why between cotton candy & phoenix?

Kind of like a bag of Lays chips...cant have just one.  Lol

I dont know if there is a real answer to the question.  I may depend on your taste.  One may like Cotton Candy better, one may like Phoenix better, and one may not like either.  As many that live Sweet Tart,  I know xouple people who don't really like it at all.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: gozp on January 17, 2017, 10:42:47 PM
Haha... my space is limited & so far i have coco cream, carrie, lz, ice cream , mun kung si & never tasted any of the said varieties.

I had eaten good tasting mangoes in the Philippines such as sweet elena, carabao, kamchita & unknown varieties.

So yea, im kind of torn now of what u recommend the top tier...

I have searched your previous posts bsbullie, very informative. Thank u
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: behlgarden on January 21, 2017, 04:02:32 PM
so many new varieties coming so fast, I plan on top working these onto my cocktail lower tier varieties when wood becomes available. 21 trees and have no more room, but cocktail option makes all the space I need all around my yard.

I see Cotton Candy, Ambrosia, and Orange Essence are available at Plantogram, does it mean these have been released commercially? Didn't see them on top tropical s.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 21, 2017, 04:30:02 PM
so many new varieties coming so fast, I plan on top working these onto my cocktail lower tier varieties when wood becomes available. 21 trees and have no more room, but cocktail option makes all the space I need all around my yard.

I see Cotton Candy, Ambrosia, and Orange Essence are available at Plantogram, does it mean these have been released commercially? Didn't see them on top tropical s.

They are slowly trickling into the retail nurseries on a somewhat limited basis.  What each nursery might have may vary depending on availability.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: behlgarden on January 21, 2017, 04:36:18 PM
I agree. Was surprised to not see them at toptropicals though. usually they get it quickly.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: TREESNMORE on January 21, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
Look in buy sell trade I some of each
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 21, 2017, 09:20:47 PM
I have some too for those further South than Mike.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 21, 2017, 10:29:36 PM
Which ones do you have? Do you have a Dolores?

I have some too for those further South than Mike.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on January 21, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
Which ones do you have? Do you have a Dolores?

I have some too for those further South than Mike.

I didn't grab any Delores.  I have tasted it a number of times and dont find it very good.  Other than being a late season, its taste qualities are not in the same league as their usual suspects.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FlMikey on April 09, 2017, 03:41:50 PM
None of these new Zill varieties are compact or dwarf trees right?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on April 09, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Right.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FlMikey on April 09, 2017, 04:56:59 PM
Thanks Har - guess I'll just have to ask the HOA for approval to plant one of these :)
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on April 09, 2017, 07:20:16 PM
None of these new Zill varieties are compact or dwarf trees right?

Little Gem is compact but not dwarf.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FlMikey on April 09, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
Thanks! I'll contact my local nurseries and try to find one.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: TravelingFriend on April 09, 2017, 11:55:22 PM
Hey Squam!  Have you tasted Orange Essence? I have read obviously limited reports of how it tastes. Quote: like an orange lifesaver with sugar cane. If that's the case, it would match up quite well to Orange Sherbet. Also, a question on Peach Cobbler? I have the tree and will be letting it fruit this year! From what I have read, It seems to bear at similar times to Venus, or within about a week or so, is this somewhat correct? beginning to Middle of August ?

Scion cuttings? Sounds like you've got some good ones, if we can't get some grafting material for those mentioned.
I am amazed all the time, hearing of these new mangoes, and I still haven't tried the last one, LOL!

Thanks friends...
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on April 10, 2017, 12:53:25 AM
Thanks! I'll contact my local nurseries and try to find one.

I wouldn't rush to get it just cause of its growth habit.   Its not yhat great of a fruit.

Are you growing in the ground or in a pot?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on April 10, 2017, 07:34:53 AM
Yes, not a memorable flavor.  Good to plant by the street, I guess, for the fresh passers-by.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Das Bhut on April 10, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
How does Honey Kiss measure up compared to Lemon Zest / Coconut Cream / Seacrest in terms of quality of fruit/tree vigor?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 10, 2017, 08:39:07 PM
To me, Honey Kiss does not have the wow factor of the varieties you named, but it is one of the best late season mangoes, along with Venus and Beverly.  Very productive as well.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FlMikey on April 10, 2017, 09:17:14 PM
Thanks! I'll contact my local nurseries and try to find one.

I wouldn't rush to get it just cause of its growth habit.   Its not yhat great of a fruit.

Are you growing in the ground or in a pot?

Yes was trying to grow it in a pot, but based off the feedback, I'll hold off.  Thanks guys!
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on April 10, 2017, 10:42:32 PM
How does Honey Kiss measure up compared to Lemon Zest / Coconut Cream / Seacrest in terms of quality of fruit/tree vigor?

Honey Kiss has the least vigor.  Better than Seacrest,  not as good as LZ.  I am on the fence with Coconut Cream.   Starting to be less enthused about it.  I would eat some during season but dont think I would want a tree for personal consumption.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Das Bhut on April 11, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
How does Honey Kiss measure up compared to Lemon Zest / Coconut Cream / Seacrest in terms of quality of fruit/tree vigor?

Honey Kiss has the least vigor.  Better than Seacrest,  not as good as LZ.  I am on the fence with Coconut Cream.   Starting to be less enthused about it.  I would eat some during season but dont think I would want a tree for personal consumption.

I bought a Honey Kiss from bender's grove based on your description of the fruit, wondering now if I should've gone with Lemon Zest or Orange Essence since this will be my only mango tree.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on April 11, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
How does Honey Kiss measure up compared to Lemon Zest / Coconut Cream / Seacrest in terms of quality of fruit/tree vigor?

Honey Kiss has the least vigor.  Better than Seacrest,  not as good as LZ.  I am on the fence with Coconut Cream.   Starting to be less enthused about it.  I would eat some during season but dont think I would want a tree for personal consumption.

I bought a Honey Kiss from bender's grove based on your description of the fruit, wondering now if I should've gone with Lemon Zest or Orange Essence since this will be my only mango tree.

Its a late season, very compact and heavy producer.  Taste is very good.  Better than Orange Essence in my opinion.   There are some who shop at Walter Zill's who like HK better than LZ and vice versa.

Why your only mango?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: murahilin on April 11, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
I bought a Honey Kiss from bender's grove based on your description of the fruit, wondering now if I should've gone with Lemon Zest or Orange Essence since this will be my only mango tree.

If you only have space for one tree, you should definitely consider multi grafting your tree to get fruit from different varieties. I only have two mango trees in my yard, but this year I should be getting fruit from 10 different varieties between those two trees.


One thing to be aware of though is to graft only varieties that are similar in growth habit so the tree as a whole will be easier to maintain.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Das Bhut on April 11, 2017, 01:40:48 PM
How does Honey Kiss measure up compared to Lemon Zest / Coconut Cream / Seacrest in terms of quality of fruit/tree vigor?

Honey Kiss has the least vigor.  Better than Seacrest,  not as good as LZ.  I am on the fence with Coconut Cream.   Starting to be less enthused about it.  I would eat some during season but dont think I would want a tree for personal consumption.

I bought a Honey Kiss from bender's grove based on your description of the fruit, wondering now if I should've gone with Lemon Zest or Orange Essence since this will be my only mango tree.

Its a late season, very compact and heavy producer.  Taste is very good.  Better than Orange Essence in my opinion.   There are some who shop at Walter Zill's who like HK better than LZ and vice versa.

Why your only mango?

Space reasons, also I like mango but  I won't be able to eat most of them  or give them away since most people I know aren't big on fruit.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FlMikey on May 21, 2017, 10:07:01 PM
I bought a Honey Kiss from bender's grove based on your description of the fruit, wondering now if I should've gone with Lemon Zest or Orange Essence since this will be my only mango tree.

If you only have space for one tree, you should definitely consider multi grafting your tree to get fruit from different varieties. I only have two mango trees in my yard, but this year I should be getting fruit from 10 different varieties between those two trees.


One thing to be aware of though is to graft only varieties that are similar in growth habit so the tree as a whole will be easier to maintain.

What varieties do you have grafted on each tree?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: LEOOEL on May 23, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
How does 'Seacrest' compare to 'Beverly' in terms of quality, taste, production and season?

'Beverly' Mango is superior in taste when compared to 'Keitt' (TFForum research: Jeff...).
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: cbss_daviefl on May 23, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
Personally, I think Seacrest's taste/quality puts it in my top 10 mango list. Rob has stated that not many feel its taste is top shelf. Try it before you plant it. I cannot comment on season or production yet. I believe it is a July fruit.

How does 'Seacrest' compare to 'Beverly' in terms of quality, taste, production and season?

'Beverly' Mango is superior in taste when compared to 'Keitt' (TFForum research: Jeff...).
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on May 23, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
Seacrest is early-to-mid season and tastes similar to Orange Essence.   Seacrest is far richer tasting than Beverly, but that probably isn't relevant, as they are of different seasons.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: JF on May 23, 2017, 11:15:59 PM
What is known about Autumn J26 I think?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Squam256 on May 23, 2017, 11:18:57 PM
What is known about Autumn J26 I think?

A Zillate seedling. Mediocre.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: JF on May 23, 2017, 11:33:04 PM
What is known about Autumn J26 I think?

A Zillate seedling. Mediocre.

thanks Alex I had bad info
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: bsbullie on May 24, 2017, 03:22:38 AM
Seacrest is early-to-mid season and tastes similar to Orange Essence.   Seacrest is far richer tasting than Beverly, but that probably isn't relevant, as they are of different seasons.

Seacrest can vary in quality from year to year.   It is more often than not a moderately mild mango of a classic "mango" flavor however in dome years it exhibits more intensity and complexity.   I have had a number of them this season snd it is of the outlier, better quality.

If I had to choose,  I may prefer Orange Essence.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: 9B in Brazil on May 24, 2017, 07:07:17 AM
Does anyone know which of the newer varieties is more anthracnose resistant?  Also, with Sweet Tart, Fruit Punch, Pineapple Pleasure and Coconut Cream.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Future on May 24, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
How does 'Seacrest' compare to 'Beverly' in terms of quality, taste, production and season?

'Beverly' Mango is superior in taste when compared to 'Keitt' (TFForum research: Jeff...).

The Seacrest I've had are in a higher league than Beverly as far as taste
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Das Bhut on September 16, 2017, 06:26:42 AM
Anyone have any information on Phoenix and Orange Essence? How are they compared to Lemon Zest / Sweet Tart in terms of taste, disease resistance, vigor, growth habit?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Divantie on September 16, 2017, 10:38:21 AM
Sorry for the noob question,

What or who detainment a new varieties? Florida State Horticultural Society or International Cultivation Registration Authority or International Society for Horticultural Science. What physical or chemical characteristics is consider a new varieties?

Why mango are patented? If you're not the creator of the mother/father plant, can you laid claim to the offspring F1?
If patented, does this mean I can't sell my tree, fruit, scion, seeds to another hobbyist? How long does it take for patent to clear?

Does US patented extend outside US borders?

breeding mango is like breeding fish....

Thank you,
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Mr. Clean on September 16, 2017, 11:31:48 AM
Sorry for the noob question,

What or who detainment a new varieties? Florida State Horticultural Society or International Cultivation Registration Authority or International Society for Horticultural Science. What physical or chemical characteristics is consider a new varieties?

Why mango are patented? If you're not the creator of the mother/father plant, can you laid claim to the offspring F1?
If patented, does this mean I can't sell my tree, fruit, scion, seeds to another hobbyist? How long does it take for patent to clear?

Does US patented extend outside US borders?

breeding mango is like breeding fish....

Thank you,

Anytime you plant a new seed that is not polyembronic, you have a new variety.  The question is whether that new variety is better than the existing varieties.  Most of these new varieties are from Zills High Performance, a mango wholesaler in Florida.  The Zill Family introduced of a number of varieties over the past decade. 

Mangos are patented to prevent others from duplicating the trees until the patent expires.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: greenbean88 on September 24, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
Thanks everyone for all the great info on these mangoes and many others. I am a very new backyard gardener but have gotten hooked one planting mangoes, especially the new Zill varieties. I wanted to know if with these new releases has Orange Sherbet been finally released to the public? I have read all the drama/confusion about this cultivar and like many others would love to have one.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Future on September 24, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
Thanks everyone for all the great info on these mangoes and many others. I am a very new backyard gardener but have gotten hooked one planting mangoes, especially the new Zill varieties. I wanted to know if with these new releases has Orange Sherbet been finally released to the public? I have read all the drama/confusion about this cultivar and like many others would love to have one.

No.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: greenbean88 on September 24, 2017, 09:14:35 PM
Future thanks for the response, and I thought that Orange Sherbet was not apart of the new releases. I was just looking at Top Tropicals site and saw that they are selling what they are calling Orange Sherbet Mango trees. Because I know the confusion that has happened in the past with this cultivar I thought I would ask the forum.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Future on October 25, 2017, 05:06:02 PM
Truly Tropical new video interviews Marlys and Har re Kathy, Phoenix, Juicy Peach, Peach Cobbler, Fruit Punch

https://youtu.be/CK0DSswr_xQ
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: cbss_daviefl on October 25, 2017, 08:23:44 PM
I enjoyed watching the video.  Thanks for sharing. 

Anyone know what happened to the mother Phoenix tree that nearly killed it?

Is the splitting on Kathy worse than Sweet Tart? I am inland and Sweet Tart gets black from the splitting. Normally the flavor and eating quality are not affected. Occasionally insects larvae infest the fruit.

Juicy Peach sounds like it will do well in my yard.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: WGphil on October 26, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Tried little gem this season and not a fan

Juicy peach is growing fast and perhaps the cleanest tree of my recent plantings

Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on October 26, 2017, 12:36:13 PM
Little Gem, not little jim.

The initial evaluation of the Phoenix tree by Gary Zill was unfavorable, so he chain-sawed it off near ground level.  From there it grew again and fruited. 
Then he liked it a lot!
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: gozp on October 26, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
What are the growth habits of buttercream, guava, orange essence, phoenix?

Thanks is advance
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on October 27, 2017, 08:12:08 AM
I haven't seen any fruiting-size tree of 'Guava' mango.

The others you mentioned have normal, medium vigor and all the usual canopy shape.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: wslau on October 28, 2017, 10:37:16 PM
(https://s1.postimg.cc/1d1nq91hsr/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1d1nq91hsr/)

The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: EJO8 on October 29, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
(https://s1.postimg.cc/1d1nq91hsr/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1d1nq91hsr/)

The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Where did you get those from?

Eric
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Future on November 03, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
(https://s1.postimg.cc/1d1nq91hsr/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1d1nq91hsr/)

The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Buttercream is new to me. Anyone tasted it?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Squam256 on November 03, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
(https://s1.postimg.cc/1d1nq91hsr/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1d1nq91hsr/)

The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Buttercream is new to me. Anyone tasted it?

Yes, really good. A little comparable to Venus I suppose.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: behlgarden on November 03, 2017, 10:05:38 PM
If I had to choose between Butter Cream and Orange Essence, which one would it be to put into ground? I like complex flavors.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Squam256 on November 03, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
If I had to choose between Butter Cream and Orange Essence, which one would it be to put into ground? I like complex flavors.

That's a pretty tough call. I'd say Orange Essence is slightly more complex. Neither had been widely planted/out long enough to derive any conclusions about their production traits.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: gozp on November 03, 2017, 10:24:19 PM
If I had to choose between Butter Cream and Orange Essence, which one would it be to put into ground? I like complex flavors.


Following.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: wslau on November 04, 2017, 10:12:07 AM
(https://s1.postimg.cc/1d1nq91hsr/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/1d1nq91hsr/)

The elusive Buttercream mango and Guava mango on turpentine rootstock finally arrive in Southern California.
We'll see how these do in SoCal next year.

Where did you get those from?

Eric

Eric,
We special requested them from Tropical Treasures, who is certified to ship to CA.
More plants may become available to the general public in spring.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: FamilyJ on November 27, 2017, 01:34:59 PM
Wow these new varieties sound great! Where are they being sold? I'm sure I'd have to trek down to south FL, but these might be worth the trip. Thanks!
Excalibur nursery in Lake Worth has them, and a lot of different types of tropical fruit
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: vorenus on March 11, 2018, 11:47:24 PM
What about the taste of Nancy?  I read that it's disease resistance and productivity are very good, but I haven't seen any real descriptions of flavor.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on March 12, 2018, 07:47:44 PM
The flavor of Nancy is better than Tommy Atkins.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: behlgarden on March 12, 2018, 09:57:44 PM
The flavor of Nancy is better than Tommy Atkins.

wow, that is some comparison!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: vorenus on March 12, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
The flavor of Nancy is better than Tommy Atkins.

Can I assume that Delores is better than Nancy then and Keitt is still better than either for a late season mango?
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: Guanabanus on March 13, 2018, 09:52:47 AM
They are both likely more disease-resistant than Keitt.  And Nancy is a very attractive fruit.

I have pointed out before, on other threads, that Tommy Atkin, tree-matured and eaten still firm, slightly green, is good enough to be refreshing.
Tommy Atkins earns its terrible reputation when well ripened--- all the worse when imported.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: strkpr00 on March 13, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
Tommy Atkins is pretty good dehydrated.
Title: Re: New mango varieties from Zill - Lil Gem, Ambrosia, Delores, Kathy and Nancy
Post by: vorenus on March 13, 2018, 10:07:36 PM
They are both likely more disease-resistant than Keitt.  And Nancy is a very attractive fruit.

I have pointed out before, on other threads, that Tommy Atkin, tree-matured and eaten still firm, slightly green, is good enough to be refreshing.
Tommy Atkins earns its terrible reputation when well ripened--- all the worse when imported.

Thank you for the helpful information!  I hadn't been able to find much about Nancy anywhere.