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Citrus => Cold Hardy Citrus => Topic started by: Florian on March 23, 2017, 01:20:32 PM

Title: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on March 23, 2017, 01:20:32 PM
I have just bought an Ichangquat and I was told it is a sister hybrid of the 6-7-2 and that it came from the US but I couldn't get any more information (ie. on hardiness or taste). So, I'd appreciate any additional information there might be.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Ilya11 on March 23, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Where did you get it from?
Original 6-7-2 is monoebryonic, so ichangquat from B.Voss known by this name in Europe is  F2 seedling different from mother plant. Theoretically your plant could be another seedling of 6-7-2 from USA.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on March 24, 2017, 03:14:23 AM
I bought it from Eisenhut, Ilya, I don't have many other options:-). I believe it has not flowered there.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Ilya11 on March 24, 2017, 03:53:10 AM
I read somewhere that many of their plants were from B.Voss.
Czech on-line nursery http://www.rakytnik.com/index.php/rostliny/citrusy/mrazuvzdorne-druhy-a-hybridy/385-c-ichangensis-fortunella-ichangquat (http://www.rakytnik.com/index.php/rostliny/citrusy/mrazuvzdorne-druhy-a-hybridy/385-c-ichangensis-fortunella-ichangquat) has 6-7-2.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on March 24, 2017, 11:11:58 AM
I know that one, they do not ship to Switzerland, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on April 04, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Ilya (or anybode else) does your ichangquat have any spines/thorns? My ichangquat has lots of them, the largest measuring 5cm (almost 2 inches). Quite a dangerous thing if this trait persists into adulthood.
(https://s9.postimg.cc/gaw41l0rf/20170404_153108.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gaw41l0rf/)
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Ilya11 on April 04, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Yes, small plants do have very dangerous long thorns, but on fruiting branches they are either small or do not exist at all.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Millet on April 04, 2017, 03:32:31 PM
Most all citrus varieties grown from seed have thorns during the tree's immature growth period.  When the tree reaches maturity the tree becomes much less thorny.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on April 05, 2017, 07:52:12 AM
Thanks a lot, I knew that many citrus are thorny when young. But the other plants which I ordered (Juanita, Citrumelo Nr. 82 and Citrandarin Nr. 174) are of the same age and almost thornless. So, my real question is actually whether the Ichangquat will be full of thorns when adult, too.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Millet on April 05, 2017, 05:10:40 PM
Florian, are the Juanita, Citrumelo Nr. 82 and Citrandarin Nr. 174 all grafted trees, and thus already mature wood for day one?  If so then that is why they are thornless.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on April 06, 2017, 03:54:30 AM
Yes they are but so is the Ichangquat. Unless they took the budwood from a juvenile plant.. I've just bought them all toghether.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: maesy on April 18, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
Ilya, is your ichangquat also very late in spring?

Mine has the warmest place, but is stll asleep.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on July 19, 2018, 04:20:56 PM
I hadn't paid too much attention to my plant, so I was all the more pleased to find it covered in flower buds. Sorry for the bad quality photo.
(https://i.imgur.com/TXVAMx9.jpg?1)
This is the 245, not the 6-7-2. It will be interesting to see whether there are any differences.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: maesy on July 20, 2018, 03:35:38 AM
Looks good. Is yours still in the pot?
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Moro on July 20, 2018, 05:58:46 AM
This is my 245 from Eisenhut in ground at Lake Constance. No flowers yet.

(https://i.imgur.com/gjJxjvm.jpg)
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: maesy on July 20, 2018, 10:41:23 AM
Here is mine, also 245 and also from Eisenhut

(https://s8.postimg.cc/p5ya4dkup/IMG_20180720_162313.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/p5ya4dkup/)

Moro, for how long has yours been in the ground?
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Florian on July 20, 2018, 11:06:10 AM
Mine is still potted and looks quite unattractive. I will have to prune it but I want to see how the fruit turns out first.
Moro, yours is a cracker!
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: mikkel on July 20, 2018, 04:46:45 PM
This is my 245 from Eisenhut in ground at Lake Constance. No flowers yet.

(https://i.imgur.com/gjJxjvm.jpg)
What kind of winter protection do you use? How cold is it in winter in your region?
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Moro on July 21, 2018, 09:54:47 AM
I bought the tree as a baby in 2013 and kept it in pots until 2016. So it is now in ground since 2 years. That’s when I trimmed it to a tree shape, before it was rather a bush. It is now appr. 1.4m (4’ 7’’) high.

It is on the south side of the house but receives shadow from the house on the opposite side of the street from November to February. I covered the ground around the tree with some small basalt rocks to store heat. It is protected against winds from the north but fully exposed to eastern winter winds.

I covered the tree with a single layer of frost cloth during winter. Last winter, we had two consecutive nights with -11C (12F) during a week with 6 days constantly below freezing. The most tender branch tips died, but otherwise the tree was fine.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Sylvain on July 22, 2018, 05:28:17 AM
I have two that are much bigger (in ground indeed). I never protected them and nothing happened when it was -15°C (5° in your local Farenheits).
The only problem with this trees is what can I do with that?
The fruits are marble size and not eatable.
Over graft?
Any idea?
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: mikkel on July 22, 2018, 02:50:57 PM
What is its taste like? There is no Poncirus in its parentage, right?
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on July 22, 2018, 03:53:09 PM
Mikke, Ilya says it tastes very interesting.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: mikkel on July 22, 2018, 04:56:34 PM
My question was for @Sylvain (just forgot to link it). I read other impressions before but I wonder what Sylvains taste like.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Sylvain on July 23, 2018, 04:55:41 AM
I cannot now remember the details but the overall conclusion is that it is completely unusable for anything.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Ilya11 on July 23, 2018, 05:11:04 AM
I cannot now remember the details but the overall conclusion is that it is completely unusable for anything.
Are you talking of 6-7-2 or some other ichangquats?
As I understand you have two trees that are the seedlings of 6-7-2 and they fruited for the first time last year. I guess that you need to wait for at least two other seasons before topworking them.
Title: Re: Ichangquat other than 6-7-2
Post by: Sylvain on July 24, 2018, 04:21:23 AM
> As I understand you have two trees that are the seedlings of 6-7-2
Yes, I think it was from seeds.

> I guess that you need to wait for at least two other seasons before topworking them.
OK, thank you.