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Title: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on July 30, 2017, 01:41:39 PM
Maybe first we can share which varieties we have in our yards?

Currently, I've got Reed, Lamb, Pinkerton, Holiday, Sharwil, Hass, Sirprize, and Fuerte.

Some of them I've deliberately planted in pairs, for example this Reed/Lamb pair at 7.5 feet apart:

(https://s11.postimg.cc/9bhnchdm7/IMG_20170724_082858.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9bhnchdm7/)

And this Hass/Sirprize pair at 7.5 feet apart:

(https://s1.postimg.cc/4bdn4b0sr/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4bdn4b0sr/)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on July 30, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
Mine are all in pots and boxes but after almost 7 years I will finally get to out them in the ground this year (along with about 150 other trees).

I have:
Hass
Fuerte
Holiday
Reed
Sharwil x 3, one in dusa rootstock
Jan Boyce
Green gold
Queen
Sir prize
Lamb hass
Pinkerton
Kahalu'u
Hellen
Herd
Day
Oro negro
GEM
Carmen x 2


I lost the following:
Jim bacon (great pollinator, worth getting a 5 gallon and just moving the pot around to which we tree needs pollinating, has kids of both types of flowers at midday)
Mexicola grande

I e hear mixed reviews on duke and haven't pursued it. Other than oro negro which I got from Florida, not sure of any of the Florida avocados or other Hawaiian types would make a welcome addition on a mitigradted tree (think I'm done with single avocado trees for now)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on July 31, 2017, 12:39:00 AM
Why pots? And how do you keep avocados happy in pots long term considering So. Calif.'s salty water?

Do you have any multi-graft avos now? Hard to keep them balanced? I've always thought of trying one.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on July 31, 2017, 05:46:27 AM
Pots because I started while in school living in apartments with limited backyard space and knowing I would have to move every few years.

I do get some salt burn on leaves but not too bad. Always thought it was a mix of water and aggressive fertilizing. When I backed off and started using more time release stuff the salt burn improved. I hardly get tip burn now and when I see it it's usually after a particularly hot day. The Hardest part of growing the avocados in pots  is the trunk burn in summer. I lost 2 feet from my sir prize last year and about a foot from  my Pinkerton . Both are much bushier now and growing like crazy but this year my sharwil in 15 gallon and about 7 feet tall lost most of its leaves and had significant burning about a month ago. Starting to push more leaves out now. Nabal  is growing slowly this year after painting the bark last year but no burn. Holiday I pruned too aggressively last year and this year looks like a poodle with fluffy segments of growth.
That's how I lost my other trees - bad burns in the summer.

I don't have any multigrafted avocados at this point but tried my hand earlier this year. Only graft that took was an Ardith and that died after the first flush. I think I'm satisfied with what I have otherwise and am now looking forward to putting them all in the ground. The house we bought has a 10 year old hass tree that looks pretty healthy with minimal fuss compared to what I used to with the potted trees. Only thing that is better with the pots is fertilizing - much easier to do with pots and a lot easier on my knees :-).
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 31, 2017, 07:55:56 AM
That's a helluva collection CA Hockey.

Frankencado grafted last year - Pinkerton, Ardith, Sir Prize, Holiday.  Other trees in bottomless RootBuilder pots - Reed, Gwen, Oro Negro.  Lost my Sharwil.  Grafted all trees except for the Oro Negro.

Sir Prize - is it supposed to be this bumpy?  Spaugh's SP taken a few days ago has a smooth skin.

(https://s1.postimg.cc/xy6vze7bf/Sir_Prize_July30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xy6vze7bf/)

Grafted Reed is getting some size and bears well - about 9' H X 12' W.  I topped and it turned out screwy with a football goal shape, big hole in the middle.  Am trying to fill it in with a branch.

(https://s1.postimg.cc/hxy7cyq17/Reed_July30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hxy7cyq17/)

Last of the Reeds.  Been giving them away, eating them since May.   What an excellent fruit!

(https://s4.postimg.cc/sxw4ye515/Reed_Fruit_July30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/sxw4ye515/)


Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on July 31, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
I've got 24 trees going and just looing for a jan boyce to finish the grove at 25 trees.

Hass x 6
Reed x 6
Pinkerton x 2
Holiday x 2
Sir Prize hass x 2
Lamb hass
Fuerte
Sharwil
Mexicola
Stuart
Bacon

Will take some pics next time I go see the trees.

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on July 31, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
Mark, hers a nother shot of sir prizes on my tree.  They are a hass type so a little bumpy seems normal.  They have a little ridge on the side that goes away as they swell up.  They grow really fast and mature in just 7 or 8 months.  Thats a lot faster than some of the others.  I am pretty unimpressed with the strength and shape of the tree though. Hopefully that improves with age.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4330/35418496674_7443cf4cbb_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: wayne23 on July 31, 2017, 03:00:13 PM
I have a lamb hass and Sharwil.  Both are in 15 gal container.  Just haven't figured out how to share with my neighbors (plant next to the fence)   ;D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on July 31, 2017, 11:53:49 PM
Thanks- the bug caught me early and because I was growing in pots and had no clue what I was doing there was a lot of troubleshooting in the early years. Couldn't figure out why the plants weren't growing, or why they would drop leaves, or how to get fruit, etc. the troubleshooting was and still is the fun part. Lots of credit has to go to the YouTube videos made by several growers including Carlos.

When you multigraft, do you do it all at once? I can't get a straight answer for this (or maybe I've forgotten the answer...) I've asked around and it seems you can graft stonefruit all at once with reasonable rate of success. Can you multigraft mangoes and avocados all at the same time or do you divide it up by flush or season?

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That's a helluva collection CA Hockey.

Frankencado grafted last year - Pinkerton, Ardith, Sir Prize, Holiday.  Other trees in bottomless RootBuilder pots - Reed, Gwen, Oro Negro.  Lost my Sharwil.  Grafted all trees except for the Oro Negro.

Sir Prize - is it supposed to be this bumpy?  Spaugh's SP taken a few days ago has a smooth skin.

(https://s1.postimg.cc/xy6vze7bf/Sir_Prize_July30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xy6vze7bf/)

Grafted Reed is getting some size and bears well - about 9' H X 12' W.  I topped and it turned out screwy with a football goal shape, big hole in the middle.  Am trying to fill it in with a branch.

(https://s1.postimg.cc/hxy7cyq17/Reed_July30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hxy7cyq17/)

Last of the Reeds.  Been giving them away, eating them since May.   What an excellent fruit!

(https://s4.postimg.cc/sxw4ye515/Reed_Fruit_July30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/sxw4ye515/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on August 01, 2017, 10:52:04 AM
You can graft all your Avocado water shoots at the same time.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on August 03, 2017, 12:11:46 AM
"Sir Prize - is it supposed to be this bumpy?  Spaugh's SP taken a few days ago has a smooth skin."

Mark, I notice you keep wandering about the skin texture of your Sir prize. I posted a current photo of my fruit on the other post concurrent with this one, for your comparison. It case you missed it; let me repost it:

(http://i.imgur.com/Bm7VJdGl.jpg)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: fyliu on August 03, 2017, 12:17:41 AM
I see people mention growing in pots. If you're good you can fruit 200 avocados from a 15gal pot.

http://htfg.org/conferences/2016/2016_JohnYoshimiYonemoto_GrowingandHarvestingtheBestAvocados.pdf (http://htfg.org/conferences/2016/2016_JohnYoshimiYonemoto_GrowingandHarvestingtheBestAvocados.pdf)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on August 03, 2017, 11:05:19 AM
Wow, thanks for posting link Fang 8)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 03, 2017, 03:54:43 PM
Does anyone know if mid summer is acceptable time to do some grafting or is it too hot?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Cookie0208 on August 04, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
Guys, so if I only have a Haas, will I get fruit? Do I need to cover my Haas in my Bay Area 9B zone? It got down to 28 degree this past winter for couple days :-/.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on August 04, 2017, 07:43:44 AM
Mark, hers a nother shot of sir prizes on my tree.  They are a hass type so a little bumpy seems normal.  They have a little ridge on the side that goes away as they swell up.  They grow really fast and mature in just 7 or 8 months.  Thats a lot faster than some of the others.  I am pretty unimpressed with the strength and shape of the tree though. Hopefully that improves with age.

Thanks for the info!  I was wondering how long they took from blossom to harvest.  And yes right now the ridge if VERY pronounced.  It's like the stem is hanging on the side of the fruit at top.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on August 04, 2017, 07:46:08 AM
"Sir Prize - is it supposed to be this bumpy?  Spaugh's SP taken a few days ago has a smooth skin."

Mark, I notice you keep wandering about the skin texture of your Sir prize. I posted a current photo of my fruit on the other post concurrent with this one, for your comparison. It case you missed it; let me repost it:

([url]http://i.imgur.com/Bm7VJdGl.jpg[/url])


Saw that Samu, thanks! 

Guess we need to decide which thread is THE avocado thread.  :D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 04, 2017, 10:33:34 AM
Mark, hers a nother shot of sir prizes on my tree.  They are a hass type so a little bumpy seems normal.  They have a little ridge on the side that goes away as they swell up.  They grow really fast and mature in just 7 or 8 months.  Thats a lot faster than some of the others.  I am pretty unimpressed with the strength and shape of the tree though. Hopefully that improves with age.

Thanks for the info!  I was wondering how long they took from blossom to harvest.  And yes right now the ridge if VERY pronounced.  It's like the stem is hanging on the side of the fruit at top.

 The bumps and the ridge will start to disappear when they get closer to full size.

If the ridges are still showing then you will need to wait until January or February to test your fruits would be my guess.  Your greenhouse is probably more comparable to someone on the coast or further north in CA.  I read a good article somewhere saying how the cooler coastal and northern/central CA locations take longer for avocados to mature and they also can hang a lot longer on the tree.   



Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on August 04, 2017, 10:54:01 AM
spaugh, the biggest problem with grafting in Summer at you area is trying to keep scion's from frying in you heat!! You could cover graft's with white paper bag's with slits at top of bag so it doesn't get to hot but that would be your call. the other is having the right scion condition and growth forcing on rootstock! I've tried summer graft's but have found that percentage of takes goes down for me at any other time than around Jan-March. But that is for me in my cooler coastal area! Give it a try all you will lose is scion wood and maybe a branch. Good luck ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 04, 2017, 11:20:59 AM
spaugh, the biggest problem with grafting in Summer at you area is trying to keep scion's from frying in you heat!! You could cover graft's with white paper bag's with slits at top of bag so it doesn't get to hot but that would be your call. the other is having the right scion condition and growth forcing on rootstock! I've tried summer graft's but have found that percentage of takes goes down for me at any other time than around Jan-March. But that is for me in my cooler coastal area! Give it a try all you will lose is scion wood and maybe a branch. Good luck ;)

Thanks yeah its super hot here now.  I was partly asking in case anyone wanted scions.  I need to prune the bottom of my trees to get them off the ground and allow the sprinklers to cover a good area.  Figured I would offer wood if anyone wanted it.  And have been toying with the idea of doing a couple frankencado trees like Marks just for fun.

I am thinking about putting some mexicola branches on a bacon tree.  They seem to have very similar growth habits.  I think it would be nice to look at a big tree covered in little black fruit along with big green fruits.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on September 28, 2017, 09:09:44 AM
I am thinking about putting some mexicola branches on a bacon tree.  They seem to have very similar growth habits.  I think it would be nice to look at a big tree covered in little black fruit along with big green fruits.

According to anecdotal evidence I've been listening to for decades Stewart is even a better choice.  Whatever, that match should be really nice.

I've got a Oro Negro seedling ready for grafting.  Will wait until late winter when the buds start to swell on the Sir Prize and graft to it.  I think spring is the best time to graft anything, just as the buds are just beginning to swell indicating they are ready to rock.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: behlgarden on September 28, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
I am top working my Reed due to very poor production, same size two other trees, or grafted branches produce 10x more fruits than Reed, not sure if its my yard or others have same issue. I have grafted Jan Boyce and Pinkerton onto it, will keep one branch of reed intact.

what are the top 5 most productive and delicious cados in SO Cal?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on September 28, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
Behlgarden is the tree in the ground?  You were the guy with all the plants waiting to go into your new property?  If yes, you may want to leave the reed and get it planted first.  Reed may be the top producer pound per pound.  I have read of 80,000 lbs per acre on high density planting. 

Sir Prize and lamb hass also seem to be stud trees that set copious amounts of excellent fruits.

Sir Prize is super early fruit too, this years fruit will be ready in a few more months.

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: behlgarden on September 28, 2017, 01:04:18 PM
no, I planted 15 gal plants 4 years ago. lamb hass and graft of sir price is holding over 100 cados. Reed each year produces a lot but drops and I end up with 5 to 10 only
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on September 28, 2017, 03:22:26 PM
sorry that was CA hockey with all the potted avocados.  I can only guess the reed tree may need more water if fruit drop is the problem and not fruit set.  Seems like they set way more fruit than the trees can support.

My reed dropped fruit last year when it didn't get enough water.  This year I have been doing more frequent watering and not a single fruit has fallen off.  I had to thin them out intentionally.  When its hot like this and dry, they water 2 or 3X a week.  Its been in the 90s, windy and 15% humidity here.  Been watering every 2 or 3 days. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on September 28, 2017, 10:01:53 PM
Behlgarden,
I'm also very surprised to hear your Reed isn't productive. I've never seen or heard of such a Reed. Can you post a picture? Where are you located?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on September 29, 2017, 10:19:58 AM
sorry that was CA hockey with all the potted avocados.  I can only guess the reed tree may need more water if fruit drop is the problem and not fruit set.  Seems like they set way more fruit than the trees can support.

My reed dropped fruit last year when it didn't get enough water.  This year I have been doing more frequent watering and not a single fruit has fallen off.  I had to thin them out intentionally.  When its hot like this and dry, they water 2 or 3X a week.  Its been in the 90s, windy and 15% humidity here.  Been watering every 2 or 3 days.

Interesting.  I too had a lot of fruit drop.  Out of a 100 or so they dropped about 60 the size of a golf ball.  I'll step up the watering.

Again, I can't imagine any avocado with a superior taste and  texture than a Reed.  I LOVE the thick rigid peel, makes for easy spooning.   New Sir Prize fruit looks great.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on September 29, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
Mark, you are a more seasoned gardener than myself so take this for what its worth.  You mentioned your fruit drop on your tree before, is that tree like the others in a semi potted/semi grounded type planting?  Only thought is if its in a above ground pot, the feeder roots are possibly not large enough to support a big crop.

  My trees that set a lot of fruit this year have been getting regular avo citrus food and I also did a single large dose of potassium sulfate and zinc sulfate to the trees early summer.  That and watering hard and trees are holding onto fruit and look really nice.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 01, 2017, 08:12:46 AM
Mark, you are a more seasoned gardener than myself so take this for what its worth.  You mentioned your fruit drop on your tree before, is that tree like the others in a semi potted/semi grounded type planting?  Only thought is if its in a above ground pot, the feeder roots are possibly not large enough to support a big crop.

Good point, but I really have no clue.  It's in a big pot, at least 36" diameter and the fact that the feeder roots are thick and fibrous due to the root tip pruning action of the system, would think it's sufficient to support it.   It gets a slow release 18-4-9 which may be too much N.  I have pot. sulfate, might hit it with that next summer.   The 8 trees are using alot of water.  I used 150 gals. of rainwater on them yesterday.

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 01, 2017, 05:44:17 PM
Reason why you should always mulch avocados.  I tweeked my Reed's pot today by pulling away mulch and adding soil where need be...and other stuff.  Hard to see but blond feeder roots can be seen growing on top of the soil under a thick mulch of pine needles and leaves.

(https://s1.postimg.cc/9opxdi8etn/avocadoroots.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9opxdi8etn/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on October 01, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
YES! those tiny feeder roots are the source of your avocado health
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 02, 2017, 09:59:48 AM
YES! those tiny feeder roots are the source of your avocado health

You bet!  Creating that natural forest floor of humus is what it's all about.  All my avocado trees have a mat of healthy blond feeder roots right on top of the soil and under about 4-6" of mulch consisting of pine needles and their own leaves.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on October 02, 2017, 09:27:00 PM
unfortunately i've no pine needles available here but i collect and treasure every single avocado leaf and i spread them gently around every tree covering them with some stone to prevent wind to wipe them away.
I've the same situation as yours, a thick net of creamy-colored feeding roots just under the leaves :-)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on October 03, 2017, 05:10:07 PM
If you're in California, what avocados are you eating from your yard now in early October?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on October 03, 2017, 05:49:24 PM

(https://s1.postimg.cc/8wqho4a3kr/36905486-1_BD7-4_DBE-_A42_B-2_BDF8_B2_D765_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8wqho4a3kr/)

These 3 varieties.  Assuming the left one is a Fuentes.  The other two not exactly sure.  Thought maybe middle was haas. But wife says it doesnít taste like the ones she gets from the market.  It has a more pebbly skin.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: johnb51 on October 03, 2017, 09:15:33 PM

(https://s1.postimg.cc/8wqho4a3kr/36905486-1_BD7-4_DBE-_A42_B-2_BDF8_B2_D765_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8wqho4a3kr/)

These 3 varieties.  Assuming the left one is a Fuentes.  The other two not exactly sure.  Thought maybe middle was haas. But wife says it doesnít taste like the ones she gets from the market.  It has a more pebbly skin.
Did you mean Fuerte, rather than "Fuentes?"  Could middle one be Pinkerton?  It appears to have some Hass genetics (pebbly skin).
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on October 03, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
I agree that the left one looks like it could be Fuerte, and the middle one could be Pinkerton, but the one on the right looks unfamiliar. Arc310, is it from a tree in your yard that you didn't plant? You're so lucky to have the varieties this month.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on October 04, 2017, 12:22:09 AM
@johnb51 - Fuerte yes. haha.

pinkerton hmm. i'll research more about it and compare some more pictures to see.

@gregA - yea...these are REALLY OLD trees....way older than i am now and the trunks i have to stretch to wrap my arms around some of them. had issues with some sprinklers and etc so it's taken a few years for it to start to recover again.

i'll go take some more pics of the 3rd one in more detail when i get back.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: barath on October 04, 2017, 12:39:47 AM
The one on the far right looks like a Bacon.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 04, 2017, 09:36:41 AM
Pinkerton has a long neck, don't think that's a match for the insider.   Isn't it a bit early for Fuerte for you guys?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 04, 2017, 10:24:44 AM
Yes too soon for fuerte and pinkerton.  Have a lot sitting on my trees, too soon to pick them.

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Fygee on October 04, 2017, 01:05:56 PM
Has anyone attempted to grow these with rooted cuttings rather than grafted trees? If so, what level of success did you have in terms of getting them to root, and how well did they do once established?

I'd like to attempt to do this myself, but want to make sure its viable before I go looking for cuttings to purchase.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on October 04, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
Rooting avocado cutting is difficult for my experience
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 04, 2017, 10:53:17 PM
Air layering is possible according to the interweb.  But most people just start a seed and graft onto it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 05, 2017, 10:24:50 AM
Rooting avocado cutting is difficult for my experience

....if not impossible.  Start a seed, graft on it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: johnb51 on October 05, 2017, 11:50:30 AM
I hope that Carlos in Homestead will follow up with Pinkerton and Green Gold unless Hurricane Irma destroyed his fruit.  These two could be important for Florida enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on October 05, 2017, 01:19:17 PM
I hope that Carlos in Homestead will follow up with Pinkerton and Green Gold unless Hurricane Irma destroyed his fruit.  These two could be important for Florida enthusiasts.

Carlos Pinkerton scions came from me and according to his latest reports they are promising in Homestead. The middle avocado is not Pinkerton may be Wurzt
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Fygee on October 05, 2017, 03:25:51 PM
Thanks! In that case I'll stick with grafting scions as my primary method. Still, I'd like to experiement with rooting cuttings and some folks in gardening group I run have had some success.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 06, 2017, 09:43:58 AM
I hope that Carlos in Homestead will follow up with Pinkerton and Green Gold unless Hurricane Irma destroyed his fruit.  These two could be important for Florida enthusiasts.

Carlos Pinkerton scions came from me and according to his latest reports they are promising in Homestead. The middle avocado is not Pinkerton may be Wurzt

JF I'm going to graft either a Sir Prize or Pinkerton on a fine Oro Negro rootstock next winter when buds begin to swell, coming out of dormancy.  If it was you, considering my limited real estate, which would you choose?  The Sir Prize so far is holding 4 pretty nice fruit (had 8, dropped some) for it's second year, is very vigorous and healthy.  Pinkerton is a bit of a runt in comparison.

I've tasted Pinkerton and love it.  Never tried Sir Prize.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on October 06, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
Pinkerton. This is a consistent top tier avocado can't say enough good things about it. Sir Prize is excellent ridiculous producer but every other year.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 09, 2017, 09:02:13 AM
Pinkerton. This is a consistent top tier avocado can't say enough good things about it. Sir Prize is excellent ridiculous producer but every other year.

Thanks, Pinkerton it is.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 23, 2017, 07:45:58 PM
Was high of 118 and 1% humidity here today!  Hottest day of the year I believe. 

Went and looked at my avocados.  Trees look fine.  Watered yesterday.  Will hit them again tomorrow.  Interestingly the stewart, mexicola, bacon, pinkerton trees are starting to form buds.  Seems early to bloom but I guess its ok.  Early fruit set should mean mexican avocados by this time next year.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on October 23, 2017, 10:02:04 PM
Yes, a nasty day indeed.

My Fuerte and Pinkerton are also pushing a couple of flower buds, not yet open. But my aunt lives about a mile from the ocean in San Diego County and her Fuerte was already in near full bloom last week. I was surprised to find that.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 23, 2017, 10:23:12 PM
The wind never really materialized here today but now its starting.  Its still 90 outside and the wind is starting to rip.  I just want to get through the next day and a half without any fires and no dropped fruit will be a plus.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 24, 2017, 09:15:24 AM
Was high of 118 and 1% humidity here today!  Hottest day of the year I believe. 

Huh? :-[  That's just crazy.  Is this the Santa Anna winds we read about?  Happy to know the trees are OK.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 24, 2017, 09:19:51 AM
The Santa Ana winds kicked in over night.  It was 79F outside around 10pm last night.  Woke up from the wind at 4AM and it was 90F outside!  Got hotter overnight.  Wind is kicking now and its going to be a rough day.  In about 12 hours from now, the wind will die down and temps will drop.  Fingers crossed no fires break out.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 24, 2017, 09:25:42 AM
The sun is almost up, just went to look at the trees.  They are getting a beat down already.  Its crazy windy and not even hot yet. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 24, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
The sun is almost up, just went to look at the trees.  They are getting a beat down already.  Its crazy windy and not even hot yet.

Man, that just sucks.   Seems almost every state has their weather challenges and you folks sure have yours.  Based on past posts you have an ample supply of water just in case of fire danger.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 24, 2017, 09:50:36 AM
Just thought of a great solution - Surround, a sprayable kaolin clay product.  I have sprayed my south facing trees with it to prevent sunburn as the sun sinks to the south shining thru a dropped down 4' High vent.  Some commercial folks use it to shade their grapes in summer heat, like Arizona and New Mexico.  Got a 25# bag from Consumer Protection Services.  You may have a branch near you. They ship.

Add a surfactant and just coat your trees top to bottom until their white.  May take 2 sprays or up the dose.

https://www.groworganic.com/media/pdfs/pmb380-b.pdf (https://www.groworganic.com/media/pdfs/pmb380-b.pdf)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 24, 2017, 10:11:50 AM
Right now I got both pumps running and moving as much water as I can onto my plants and into my tank.  Looks like a fire is burning south of the city near tijuana.  Nothing near here.  Going to move my baby plants in my garage and pack my valuables and be ready to bug out. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 24, 2017, 11:24:09 AM
The Fuerte and hass trees are looking a little parched but Reed trees absolutely take this heat and low humidity in stride.  Every time the Reed trees look perfect after a heat spell.  Good news not a single dropped fruit in sight so aparently all the trees can take it if watered.  Some look worse for a day or 2 but they all perk right back.

Heres a fuerte looking a little battered and a baby reed tree looking perfectly happy.  I would say guys in AZ and NV should be growing Reed.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4498/37193557664_cae187fc7b_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4443/37872256112_372f705868_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on October 24, 2017, 05:42:36 PM
very healthy looking trees Brad. We are starting our West Indian avocado season in a few week great Christmas cados. Ismael did not work in Homestead Florida as Carlos says.... the reason it works in Southern California is because it hangs on the tree for long time 


(https://s1.postimg.cc/930gpd9jgb/IMG_8203_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/930gpd9jgb/)

(https://s1.postimg.cc/5fux1uh6ez/IMG_8204_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5fux1uh6ez/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 24, 2017, 07:26:54 PM
Never tried an indian type avocado.  Is it worth growing?  Whats it like?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ibliz on October 25, 2017, 02:27:48 AM
Iam thinking of starting an avocado collection by getting budwood overseas. The transit usually will take around 7 days. Will any of the  budwood  survive ? Please enlighten me..
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: igrowmangos on October 25, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
All these cado trees got me wondering why in the world I can't seem to get one to take off. They all end up drying out after a while and eventually I pull them due to lack of growth. May be I need to quit because I have spent 100's of dollars trying. Zone 9B. Orlando. I have done all I could even mound planting and babying them. SMH.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 25, 2017, 09:17:20 AM
Iam thinking of starting an avocado collection by getting budwood overseas. The transit usually will take around 7 days. Will any of the  budwood  survive ? Please enlighten me..

If you have any degree of heat during transit, forget it.  Overnight or something like 2 day would be an (very expensive) option and the inclusion of a frozen gel pak would be wise.   Then there is customs, inspections, etc.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on October 25, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
Never tried an indian type avocado.  Is it worth growing?  Whats it like?

Damn right itís worth growing! good complement to our superior Hass type avocados. Ismael grown here is sweet and oily pairs well with Caribbean cuisine
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: barath on October 25, 2017, 09:26:11 PM
Who among you in SoCal has used West Indian type seeds for rootstock?  I remember JF has suggested it.  I wonder how it does in a variety of microclimates -- coastal vs. foothills vs. inland.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on October 26, 2017, 12:38:53 AM
Brad here is a pix of Ismael from last year

(https://s1.postimg.cc/6g16ogv2uj/IMG_2754.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6g16ogv2uj/)

(https://s1.postimg.cc/5urj2611zf/IMG_2755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5urj2611zf/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 26, 2017, 10:00:53 AM
Who among you in SoCal has used West Indian type seeds for rootstock?  I remember JF has suggested it.  I wonder how it does in a variety of microclimates -- coastal vs. foothills vs. inland.  Any thoughts?

I have and have tremendous success.  If you have hard water, high in bicarbs of Mg and Ca, it's a good choice. 

Sir Prize coming along nicely.  Newly grafted Frankencado set 8 Sir Prize, I dropped four.  Still a beast!

(https://s1.postimg.cc/7em5l0wwl7/Sir_Prize_Oct25_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7em5l0wwl7/)



(https://s1.postimg.cc/3p6xt7kd8r/Sir_Prize_Oct25.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3p6xt7kd8r/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 26, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
How long does the indian fruit sit on the tree?  What month do you pick it? 

On a different subject I had a deer in my orchard in the last few days.  I had left the gate open accidentally one night a few days ago.  Not sure if thats how/when it got in.  Hopefully it was than and not it jumping in.  That deer couldnt figure out how to get out and trampled my deer fence.  Wasnt a big deal, had to restaple a 10ft section back up. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on October 27, 2017, 12:10:11 AM
Glad to see you are having success with your cado graftings, Mark!

I especially interested in following your Sir prize variety, will be interested to see until when the fruits needed to stay hanging on the tree before ready for harvesting.  If they stay till March/April 2018, then I am afraid the tree won't have time to flower and bearing fruits again next year (2018)...thus, this would make this tree an alternate bearing one, won't it?

FYI, my 10 ft tree had a couple of fruits in 2015 that I picked in December that year (much too early per JF: I agree, tasted bland), no flowers in 2016 for some reason, this year 2017 have some fruits hanging, along with few others from different variety scions...

Btw Spaugh, your avo trees look very healthy, glad they survive last week's Santa Ana's wind with no damage...!

Curious to find out if this Sir prize variety is indeed an alternate bearing tree, anyone has some opinion to share? Thanks!

My Sir prize:
(https://i.imgur.com/tikJBXMl.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on October 27, 2017, 01:10:41 AM
Well, upon rereading this thread again, there on page 2:reply no. 49; JF already said that this "Sir prize is excellent ridiculous producer but every other year."

Something to think about folks, when planting this variety.

Now, I need to go back to my drawing board, maintaining some of the Sir prize main trunk, and adding/combining with more varieties on this same tree...hope this will work!

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 27, 2017, 09:02:41 AM
Thanks Samu.  Thanks to the kind generousity of a member I'm doing well with his scions.  Keep in mind I'm in a totally different clime than you.  I bet these fruits won't ripen until late winter with some of that being because of the low canopy mass to fruit ratio.  While folks in Florida are harvesting Oro Negro come November, mine are best come late Feb. and March.  My ON tree's foliar mass is heavy too.

Interesting about the alternate thingie, just looked at an OLD profile of popular Ca. avocado fruits.  I had made a note about it years ago re Sir Prize.  Frank is spot on, again.   ;)

(https://s1.postimg.cc/15cz5ljqbv/Avocado_Varieties_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/15cz5ljqbv/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 27, 2017, 11:29:20 AM
Avocado blooms grow on new vegetative growth tips.  When a tree is loaded with fruits it puts more energy into the fruit than doing new flushes.  Then you get a weak fruit set following a heavy fruit year.  Solution, thin your fruit set for a more even year to year crop.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: raiders36 on October 27, 2017, 04:27:56 PM
Samu FYI, my 10 ft tree had a couple of fruits in 2015 that I picked in December that year (much too early per JF: I agree, tasted bland), no flowers in 2016 for some reason, this year 2017 have some fruits hanging, along with few others from different variety scions...

I'm on the same page with you. One of my Sir Prize is the same size as your. Had very little flowers but manage to have 2 fruits. Hopefully over time the flowering increase 100,000 folds (hope it will be ridiculously as the Lamb). The Sir Prize is a really fast grower which I'm very fond of. My (2) 5 gal second year in the ground are like 5ft already. I think they will hit 10 ft next year.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on October 27, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
Hi, thanks for that chart, Mark! Your scribbling on it actually made that an even more valuable one!  :D  Looks like Reed and Pinkerton are good choices for us home growers, huh? Okay, I'll be hunting for some more cado scions come Jan/Feb !

Spaugh, yeah, I read somewhere that one can attempt to "guide" the tree so that it won't go to the alternate bearing mode, but I forgot how or what the successful rate would be; so I will try your suggested thinning method and see what happens...

Hi Raiders, yes., it's fast upright growers,  -as Mark's chart and my tree indicates- .
On fruiting "year", you  may want to do lots of thinning and/or give extra limb support, as I recall Frank's large tree limb broke due to abundant of fruits weight about 2 years ago.

So, if this is ok, along with alternate bearing tendency of this Sir prize, then that's fine. But, I prefer to have a consistent yearly fruiting one, so I'll probably do a partial top worked on mine, keeping just a couple of Sir prize's at the lower branches...

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 28, 2017, 10:21:03 AM
Welcome Samu!

I think most any tree will go alternate to a major or minor degree if it's holding a lot of fruit just prior and during the blooming and fruit set period.  Seen it first hand with citrus.  I tend to let my blood oranges hang up to late March.  Really affects fruit set.   Tree says to itself, "self, why should I worry about next year children when we have all these kids ready to drop and carry on now?" 

My Reed may have had a heavy summer fruit drop due to the tree still holding a lot of last year's fruit.  Didn't harvest the last ones until Sept.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on October 28, 2017, 10:30:15 AM
To add to Markís comments, Guatemalans bloom and set fruits while holding a crop. Perfect example is my Holiday. It is holding fruits now it will bloom in January and set more
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 28, 2017, 10:34:43 AM
To add to Markís comments, Guatemalans bloom and set fruits while holding a crop. Perfect example is my Holiday. It is holding fruits now it will bloom in January and set more

Yep, it's that 18 mo. cycle, mas o menos.  Harvesting Guatemalans in March is a bit early however the Reeds I've picked in June were really good.

Never knew Holiday aka XX3 was a sport of Reed until recently.  No wonder folks love it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on November 05, 2017, 10:45:01 PM
Anyone notice their Sir-Prize getting more tip burn than other varieties? I have about ten varieties, and every year my Sir-Prize has the worst tip burn. I'm certain I water it as much as my other trees, so I'm wondering if it's the scion or the rootstock of this particular tree that's susceptible.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Seanny on November 06, 2017, 10:14:03 AM
My Reed got tip burn after 2 Santa Ana winds.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on November 22, 2017, 03:15:59 PM
Finally getting to pick some avocados.  We have been avoiding store avocados waiting for our trees to start putting out.  Today I picked a Sir prize, fuerte, and bacon.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4551/38554172962_043f3a977c_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 22, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
Nice, but doesn't Sir Prize turn black on the tree first?  Am new to this one reason why I ask.  Mine are:

(https://s7.postimg.cc/peg1fyh5j/Sir_Prize_Nov11.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/peg1fyh5j/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on November 22, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
I dont know either Mark, its new to me too.  My tree is only 2 years in the ground.  We got 3 or 4 of them last year and they were picked green and tasted good.  Mine do not appear to be turning color at all, they are just swelling up bigger.  Im guessing they will just keep growing for many more months and not change color but who knows.  There are a lot on the tree so I will try and let some go until March or April and see if they start turning black.

This one I picked was the first one this year so I will follow up in a week when we cut in and let you know how it was.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on November 22, 2017, 05:18:29 PM
Check out this video Mark, this was shot in early December.  He talks about Sir Prize in the second half.  All of the fruits he picked up at market are green.  I am going to go out on a limb and say your fruits are done and you wait to long they will be done done done.  If it was me I would pick one and see.   Since you are not in CA, you tree may think its further into winter and its time to finish sooner than here because of lower temps.  But that is just my guess.  Its 105F here right now by the way.

Check this video out.
https://youtu.be/BY6CNEkXYGE (https://youtu.be/BY6CNEkXYGE)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on November 22, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
Yes, sir Prize has to turn black. Brad, that one had a long way to go
(https://s17.postimg.cc/5aa3uar0b/0_B41495_B-8_EC7-41_AC-8_A4_F-8_DB51_D8134_D6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5aa3uar0b/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on November 22, 2017, 08:31:13 PM
Thanks,  We are getting desperate here.  They can all go longer but the avocados at the store are junk.  I don't want to wait for it to turn black!   :-[  But we will wait...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 23, 2017, 09:09:03 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Frank.

Yeah, been following your temps.  LA hitting 95F, you 105F??????   ???

The Hass we get are all from Mexico and yes they are crap.  I love avocados but the only ones I find that are somewhat decent are from Sam's Club.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 23, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
Check this video out.
https://youtu.be/BY6CNEkXYGE (https://youtu.be/BY6CNEkXYGE)

Oh boy, if it aint Chris from Growquest, hah!  That video was shot in 2013.  I wonder if he's out of jail yet, or still living considering how many he's ripped off?

Also, it's Hass aka H-ASS, not Hoz!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on November 23, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
Haha I heard some stories or maybe read the comments on growquests scams.  He still has good videos even if he is a scam artist.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on November 23, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Check this video out.
https://youtu.be/BY6CNEkXYGE (https://youtu.be/BY6CNEkXYGE)

Oh boy, if it aint Chris from Growquest, hah!  That video was shot in 2013.  I wonder if he's out of jail yet, or still living considering how many he's ripped off?

Also, it's Hass aka H-ASS, not Hoz!

I was one of his victims, $75 for a Holiday avocado tree he promoted in Youtube but that he never deliver, only promises...! Glad to know he was jailed, he deserved it!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: barath on November 23, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
When Brokaw's avocado stand has Sir Prize fruits they're green and still taste pretty good.  I guess they pick them green for ease of handling...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ricshaw on November 23, 2017, 02:21:56 PM

Oh boy, if it aint Chris from Growquest, hah!  That video was shot in 2013.  I wonder if he's out of jail yet, or still living considering how many he's ripped off?

Also, it's Hass aka H-ASS, not Hoz!


GrowQuest Growers: Guilty plea to felonies by owner of online nursery
http://www.santapaulatimes.com/news/archivestory.php/aid/30153/GrowQuest_Growers:_Guilty_plea_to_felonies_by_owner_of_online_nursery.html (http://www.santapaulatimes.com/news/archivestory.php/aid/30153/GrowQuest_Growers:_Guilty_plea_to_felonies_by_owner_of_online_nursery.html)

Update: Christopher Morgan Gilcrest is now out of prison and in Lancaster, California doing business as Earth Stone and Rock.
https://eclecticprogressive.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/chris-gilcrest-of-growquest-growers-is-a-fraud/ (https://eclecticprogressive.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/chris-gilcrest-of-growquest-growers-is-a-fraud/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on November 23, 2017, 02:37:58 PM
If you pick sir Prize green they are bland and lack oil. Iíve tasted hundreds of the cados. Iíd wait until they color for optimum flavor....the longer the hang on the tree the better they taste
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on November 23, 2017, 04:37:05 PM
Whats the typical season start and end for sir prize JF?  My tree is loaded even after thinning twice.  They are swelling up and the tree is falling over.   I'd like to get some of them off sooner then later.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 24, 2017, 08:56:22 AM
GrowQuest Growers: Guilty plea to felonies by owner of online nursery
[url]http://www.santapaulatimes.com/news/archivestory.php/aid/30153/GrowQuest_Growers:_Guilty_plea_to_felonies_by_owner_of_online_nursery.html[/url] ([url]http://www.santapaulatimes.com/news/archivestory.php/aid/30153/GrowQuest_Growers:_Guilty_plea_to_felonies_by_owner_of_online_nursery.html[/url])

Update: Christopher Morgan Gilcrest is now out of prison and in Lancaster, California doing business as Earth Stone and Rock.
[url]https://eclecticprogressive.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/chris-gilcrest-of-growquest-growers-is-a-fraud/[/url] ([url]https://eclecticprogressive.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/chris-gilcrest-of-growquest-growers-is-a-fraud/[/url])


Yep. He was convicted in June 2015 and the prosecutors expected a year sentence. Sure sure enough, July 2016 and heís registered several domain names and is now shilling landscape gravel. Looks like heís up to his old tricks by having multiple pages on Houzz with stolen photos.......

Wow!  I was actually kidding or rather speculating about him going to jail. Nice to know he served time.  I remember reading death threats against the turd about 8 years ago from quite a few folks that got ripped off.  One lady even video taped his "operations" which was nothing more than an empty driveway.  He turned it around and said he was going to "kill" the stalker who taped him as a poser and a shyster.  His online website of avocado trees was very nice, too good to be true of course.

Mark
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 24, 2017, 09:03:27 AM
I was one of his victims, $75 for a Holiday avocado tree he promoted in Youtube but that he never deliver, only promises...! Glad to know he was jailed, he deserved it!

Sorry to hear that.  Another one you've got to be careful of is Top Tropical.  I try to find out someone's rep before ordering and Dave's Garden is a good source.  LOT's of negative and neutrals on TT.  https://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/2785/
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on November 24, 2017, 01:16:10 PM
Thanks for the heads up Mark! Iíve had bought a few trees
from Toptropicals, my experience with them has been good -so far-
one time they sent a replacement tree for a  dead one even
after a few days in my possession...


Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 25, 2017, 08:29:13 AM
Thanks for the heads up Mark! Iíve had bought a few trees
from Toptropicals, my experience with them has been good -so far-
one time they sent a replacement tree for a  dead one even
after a few days in my possession...

Question is, why are they selling you a dead tree in the first place?  :D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on November 25, 2017, 10:42:04 AM
I don't think the young tree was dead when they shipped it, but possibly unhealthy
when it arrived due to heat (Summer time) inside the box..., and I wasn't able to
rejuvenate the tree to recover from it...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: 9B in Brazil on November 25, 2017, 10:49:31 PM
So my 30 yo avocado lost all it's leaves this past winter in Brazil, and it never came back.  Not sure what caused its demise, but I want to plant some new ones.  I still have a small avocado about 8 feet tall that I want to top work as it was just a seedling.  Because of my heavy rainfall and humidity, I think the Florida avocados would do better in my climate.  Can anyone shed some light on this and maybe suggest which cultivars I should graft?  My temperatures rarely go below freezing, but it still is possible.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: OCchris1 on November 27, 2017, 02:44:13 AM
My only real beef with TT's is that my fruiting "LZ" is not LZ....I've planted the seeds and they are Mono not Poly like everyone states. I mean, it looks like LZ pics but the seeds are mono. That, and they're trees are have been Anthracnosed-big time. Chris
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: OCchris1 on November 27, 2017, 02:45:31 AM
My apologies for the hijack. Carry on. Chris
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 02, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
Follow up on my green sir prize.  It turned black and got soft and tastes great.  Yes it will get better but its better than anything we can get at the store or market.  Notably better than the bacon and fuertes we have been eating.  We will continue to pick them every few weeks to see how they progress.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4518/37900819575_fb0fb198b8_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 03, 2017, 09:44:55 AM
Follow up on my green sir prize.  It turned black and got soft and tastes great.  Yes it will get better but its better than anything we can get at the store or market.  Notably better than the bacon and fuertes we have been eating.  We will continue to pick them every few weeks to see how they progress.

Nice job!  Your opinion, I have one that is about 90% black.  Time to pick?  I only let this new tree hold 5 so don't have much wiggle room for experimenting.  The few Holiday I left are huge.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 03, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
I would pick it. 

Great avocado, soft and spreadable and peels super easy.  Let it get nice and soft.  The skin is thin so they get wrinkly and flat spots from sitting on the counter.  Its ok, just let it get really soft even if it starts looking a bit over done

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on December 03, 2017, 05:25:19 PM
Mark,
Are the avocados in your greenhouse hand-pollinated or pollinated by insects?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on December 03, 2017, 05:33:44 PM
Mark
I would be patient , whats the hurry, let it hang on the tree as long as it can for full flavor. Believe Iíve been harvesting sir Prize for a while and you want to wait.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 04, 2017, 09:59:12 AM

One is about 95% black.   OK, will let it hang. There's no rush.  Was even thinking about letting one drop just to see what that's all about.

(https://s7.postimg.cc/41uunwkjr/Sir_Prize_Dec4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/41uunwkjr/)

All my greenhouse fruit is pollinated by hundreds of visiting pollinators Greg. Every kind of specie of bee, moth, butterfly, wasp, and some really wild looking flies.  Flies really like the Gwen cado for some reason.  Perhaps ol Gwen needs a shower.  8)
 
(https://s7.postimg.cc/tyfc92z5z/Flieson_Gwen_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tyfc92z5z/)

Wow, Holiday is a big fruit.  One on the right has gotta be going on 2 pounds.  I'll let them go for another 8 mos.

(https://s7.postimg.cc/alt1giwc7/Holiday_Dec-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/alt1giwc7/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on December 04, 2017, 10:15:09 AM
Thanks Mark. Speaking of Gwen, mine is flowering right now, more and earlier than any of my other avocado varieties. Same for you?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on December 04, 2017, 10:18:58 AM
Mark

Yea, let them drop those look ready but if they want to hang on let them. Holiday is a good size fruit but production has been inconsistent for me. Iím patient so Iíll just let the tree mature since it does take too much space.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 05, 2017, 08:40:49 AM
Thanks Mark. Speaking of Gwen, mine is flowering right now, more and earlier than any of my other avocado varieties. Same for you?

Because of our rather cold winters nothing but a key lime flowers until spring.  We've got a chance of snow come Wednesday night!   YESSSSSSSSSSSS!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 05, 2017, 08:47:25 AM
Mark

Yea, let them drop those look ready but if they want to hang on let them. Holiday is a good size fruit but production has been inconsistent for me. Iím patient so Iíll just let the tree mature since it does take too much space.

I also use skin gloss as an indicator.   Have never noticed but I'm wondering if another indicator might be some lignifying (woodiness) of the stem peduncle right next to the fruit.  With grapes good hang time, maturity, is often indicated by browning, lignifying, of the cluster peduncle along with other factors - brown seeds that crunch in the teeth, brix of 22* plus, etc.  I bet there is a difference in seed coat color for many fruit too.

It's my understanding that Holiday (being a sport of Reed) needs a good 14 - 18 mos. of hang time.  Am shocked as to how fast the Sir Prize matured from a blossom set in Feb./March. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 07, 2017, 10:28:52 AM
Wind has been beating my trees up the last few days.  Here we are in December and have wildfire conditions and santa ana winds.  Went to look at the damage to the trees and had some hass fruit laying on the ground.  Everything else is hanging tight.  Snapped some photos of the fruits we are patiently waiting for.

Hass next to holiday
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4583/24981077108_2569fc8407_b.jpg)

Reed balls
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4527/37966564485_87c083f688_b.jpg)

Pinkerton
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4544/38853690031_d905e597af_b.jpg)

Green sirprizes
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4531/24028955067_31da7648ff_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on December 07, 2017, 01:44:37 PM
Wow, you Spaugh and Mark got very desirable collection of Avocado varieties!
Congratulations on successfully growing and nursing them;
I see lots of guacamole there... :D
Meanwhile, my Sir prize fruit is also darkening maybe about 70%
as of last week, so you guys will be ahead of me...

(https://i.imgur.com/dA0vq7Ml.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 07, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
The strong santa ana wind is knocking fruit off my trees today.  Sadly these would have been much closer to ready in 3 or 4 months.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4580/24032172107_e6046da5c8_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 08, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
The strong santa ana wind is knocking fruit off my trees today.  Sadly these would have been much closer to ready in 3 or 4 months.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4580/24032172107_e6046da5c8_b.jpg)

Based on what we're witnessing on the news, you're lucky you have a home.  It just makes us sick to see what's going on in SoCal.

Having said that, the fruit look amazing.

Way to go Sam!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on December 10, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
Check out this article that talks of seedless avocados. Do you think they're referring to Fuerte cukes? And my gosh, do the Brits really find it that challenging to cut open an avocado that has a seed?

http://amp.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/12/cocktail_avocado_promoted_as_safer_version_by_british_grocer_selling_them.html (http://amp.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/12/cocktail_avocado_promoted_as_safer_version_by_british_grocer_selling_them.html)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 14, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
Was worried these hass fruits that got knocked off in the winds would not ripen but they are excellent.  Better than the fuerte, bacon and sir prize fruits for december(same year fruits).  Better than store cados.
 Cant complain...  The trees are still loaded with fruit but about 20 of them got blown off 1 hass tree. 

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4738/24193445177_eb268a46b9_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: simon_grow on December 14, 2017, 06:16:04 PM
Amazon harvest Spaugh, time to make avocado smoothies!

Simon
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on December 15, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
Ismael 3lb west Indian avocado creamy and sweet a holiday treat
(https://s17.postimg.cc/50cf88wfv/IMG_9598.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/50cf88wfv/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 17, 2017, 07:32:15 AM
Ismael 3lb west Indian avocado creamy and sweet a holiday treat
(https://s17.postimg.cc/50cf88wfv/IMG_9598.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/50cf88wfv/)

Damn, speaking of a branch breaker!

With a very gentle tug pulled my first Sir Prize yesterday. Can't wait....
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on December 17, 2017, 11:04:25 AM
WOW Spaugh and Frank you guy's have posted pic's of some of the biggest avo's I've seen since last time in Hawaii, thanks for posting love to see when folks can grow excellent avocado's 8) 8) ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on December 17, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
Here is 3.5lb Ismael next to a 2lb campus ...... best Christmas avicado it wipes the floor with bacon
(https://s33.postimg.cc/p39gvsst7/51_C9_C2_FE-_B19_C-46_AA-_AEB1-538258449_AE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/p39gvsst7/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/oqi2pmi97/A42_E784_C-6_DF3-4_EE9-9698-7_EDA24_D01556.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oqi2pmi97/)

Creamy, sweet not watery and easy peel

(https://s17.postimg.cc/wlarfte17/BC0_FAD5_B-0_BAC-4856-83_D8-89119_E155_C20.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wlarfte17/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Sayan128 on December 18, 2017, 09:35:15 PM
I just bought a ďdwarf hybridĒavocado from
Home Depot. Then I noticed on my way home that it was actually grown from a seed as the bottom had a split open pit where the stem came out. What are my chances of having gotten one that actually will fruit? Iíve been waiting to get my hands on a GEM avocado for the past half a year but still havenít gotten lucky so I caved today when I saw it...now hoping I wonít refret growing this thing!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on December 18, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
I think what you need to observe is whether it has a "graft line", usually about few inches above the soil surface. If that's positive, then you know it's grafted tree, and with the seed showing, this is what you want, because you'll have s tap root growing under that seed; resulting in generally faster and stronger growing tree.  (As compared to air layered tree without a tap root).

I am surprise if Home Depot is selling seedling avocado or cherimoya. But on mango, I read that they sell Manila seedlings from Lavern's nursery...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 18, 2017, 11:06:21 PM
The HD trees are grafted on zutano seedling rootstock.  The tag may say who grew it but most likely "wurtz" aka "little cado" aka "dwarf" from laverne nursery.

They have them at lowes too.  It should set fruit in a year or 2 if all goes well at its new home.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 20, 2017, 10:06:57 AM
First Sir Prize, and the flavor is NOT good plus there's internal issues. 10.15 oz. Texture is fine but the taste is almost like the crappy Tex-mex or Brogdon.  Having said that I know it's my fault for letting the newly grafted Frankencado hold too much fruit, five for the Sir Prize branch.  This one fell off in my hand and only took 2 days to soften on the counter.  The skin is very thin, much like a pure Mex making it impossible to spoon or peel without making a mess.  I hope it improves with age as everything I've read over the years both from growers and university pros say it's 'excellent'.

This half was treated with juice from a fresh key lime 2 days ago, placed in a baggie in fridge.  There were gray spots when first cut.

(https://s10.postimg.cc/7zyep1w3p/Sir_Prize_Fruit_Dec18.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7zyep1w3p/)


(https://s10.postimg.cc/3s3mge2et/Sir_Prize_Fruit_Dec18_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3s3mge2et/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 20, 2017, 10:41:49 AM
Thats a bummer.  Are there more on there Mark?  Seems like that one was past prime.  Maybe get the others off asap.  I would pick 1 green and try next year.  Or as soon as it starts turning color.   Avocados can get over ripe and get a rancid flavor.

The peels on SP come off really easy.  You can quarter it and they peel right off.  Should not be a mess to prepare.   
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 21, 2017, 09:45:55 AM
Thats a bummer.  Are there more on there Mark?  Seems like that one was past prime.  Maybe get the others off asap.  I would pick 1 green and try next year.  Or as soon as it starts turning color.   Avocados can get over ripe and get a rancid flavor.

The peels on SP come off really easy.  You can quarter it and they peel right off.  Should not be a mess to prepare.

Tried to pull off yesterday, it wouldn't budge. It's black.  Will get it off today Brad.  That leaves for more hanging though.  Nice to know the thin skin is not typical as that would be a deal killer for me.

BTW, one grower made this comment about the fruit profile.  Comments?

Thin skin is definitely not typical. It is medium thick (like Hass) and relatively easy to peel. It is not a shell (like Reed) nor is it stuck to the flesh (like Mexican varieties). The shape of the avocado looks right. But one thing that I am finding it hard to make out from the picture: Sir Prize is very distinctive in that the stem end of the avocado has these funny 'ridges'. They are not incredibly pronounced, but when you compare them to other avocado shapes they are very obvious and distinctive. The ridges are at the stem end, and run axially and cover the top 1/4-1/3 of the fruit.
 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 21, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
The skin on mine are extra thin.  But it just about falls off of long sliced pieces.  Very easy to prepare.  Just use a knife instead of a spoon.

Also, no need to treat with lime juice, Sir Prize doesn't oxidize.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mugenia on December 21, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Folks,

What is the Aravaipa avocado? A bunch of Arizona YouTubers are hawking this fruit like crazy. I am curious if there's anything special about it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: alangr088 on December 21, 2017, 01:47:29 PM
It's because it's one of the few avocados that will grow in Arizona. At least that's what I've gathered from those YouTube videos. I've never tasted the actual avocado.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 27, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
The skin on mine are extra thin.  But it just about falls off of long sliced pieces.  Very easy to prepare.  Just use a knife instead of a spoon.

Also, no need to treat with lime juice, Sir Prize doesn't oxidize.

2nd Sir Prize and you were right, it is excellent - perfect creamy texture like a stick of butter, complex, rich. The only drawback is a thin skin that tends to stick to the meat.  Hope that changes with tree age. Key (for me) is to pick it with just a bit of skin green haze, about 95% black and not let it ripen more than 3 days on the counter. It's a keeper, just delish!

(https://s17.postimg.cc/uz31y7zt7/Sir_Prize_2nd_One_Dec_26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uz31y7zt7/)


(https://s17.postimg.cc/gjpqd370r/Sir_Prize_2nd_One_Dec_26_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gjpqd370r/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on December 27, 2017, 03:31:30 PM
I envy you Spaugh and Mark, my ripening Sir prize (above photo) was gone
during the big Santa Ana wind recently: probably already devoured by rats...!
Oh well, waiting for the next ones to ripen up...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: boxturtle on December 27, 2017, 04:17:35 PM
nice! is reed pretty slow growing?  I got mine planted in a flower bed and it's been growing pretty slow what's a good fertilizer regiment for them?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 27, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Nice one Mark,  weird your skin is sticking.  It peels right off mine.  My fuertes stick like you are saying though.  I picked another green Sir Prize and its on the counter now.  They are all still green.  Had a bacon get over ripe.  Been eating hass, bacon, fuerte, and 2nd Sir Prize is coming. 

Samu, thats a bummer, I had lots of hass knock off in the santa anas.  It seems the key is to water water water for that weather.

Boxturtle Reed is a medium fast grower.  They grow pretty fast if they arent holding fruits. If its in full sun it should hit its stride next summer.

 I quit fertilizing back in September but its been so hot they could use a feeding probably.  Any citrus/avocado food will work.  Usually hit them every few months with a few handfulls of fertilizer on the mulch and then water it in.  Was hoping we would get some rain soon to leach out the soil but its not looking like much rain this winter.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 28, 2017, 11:19:01 AM
Reed is very vigorous for me and a must-have in your collection.  Sir Prize has a bit different fruit character, both really sooooooo fine.   Oro Negro is good perhaps a 6.5 out 10 rating.  My Gwen is a true runt and another very good fruit.  Very productive such that it needs thinning.

Against the grain I use a 12 mo. encapsulated 18-4-9 with micros.  I might tweek it come late fall with a Peters 20-3-19.

Brad, try letting it go black and then pick immediately.  Would like to know if yours ripen ultra fast.  That first one I picked could have been cut in only 2 days for a better quality fruit.  Have 3 more hanging with one on the counter coming in at 12.0 oz.  This is fun!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on December 28, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
Reed is very vigorous for me and a must-have in your collection.  Sir Prize has a bit different fruit character, both really sooooooo fine.   Oro Negro is good perhaps a 6.5 out 10 rating.  My Gwen is a true runt and another very good fruit.  Very productive such that it needs thinning.

Against the grain I use a 12 mo. encapsulated 18-4-9 with micros.  I might tweek it come late fall with a Peters 20-3-19.

Brad, try letting it go black and then pick immediately.  Would like to know if yours ripen ultra fast.  That first one I picked could have been cut in only 2 days for a better quality fruit.  Have 3 more hanging with one on the counter coming in at 12.0 oz.  This is fun!

I will try it if they ever turn black.  They are fully green still here.  Not sure what the hold up is.  Maybe because its still 80F outside.  Im hanging out in shorts and sandals still.  My oranges are not turning orange yet either.  Usually they are ready now. 

I got a 50lb bag of osmocote pro 8-9 month 19-5-8 sitting on the shelf.  I may try some of that on my in ground trees this coming spring.  I like the time release for potted plants a lot.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: boxturtle on December 28, 2017, 05:28:44 PM
thanks yeah I hoping its not the june bug grubs  that slowing it down :( I tried milky spores and nanotodes hope it works
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on December 31, 2017, 10:09:36 AM
I will try it if they ever turn black.  They are fully green still here.  Not sure what the hold up is.  Maybe because its still 80F outside.  Im hanging out in shorts and sandals still.  My oranges are not turning orange yet either.  Usually they are ready now. 

I got a 50lb bag of osmocote pro 8-9 month 19-5-8 sitting on the shelf.  I may try some of that on my in ground trees this coming spring.  I like the time release for potted plants a lot.

Yeah, you're on the warm and dry side unfortunately.  Crazy weather, a La Nina climate anomoly according to the all time expert, Joe Bastardi.  As I speak it's Game On in the Texas hill country with temps at 35F now and dropping, 3 nights in the teens starting tonigh, 6 days of below freezing temps.  Topped off the greenhouse propane tank, wrapped outdoor citrus, etc. 

Let r rip......
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on January 02, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
Here is one of the best cado in season, can get enough.
Ismael like butter not watery despite its West Indian  linage
(https://s14.postimg.cc/68h6igckd/8_B69696_C-24_A5-44_A7-9996-09_C14_ABEF401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/68h6igckd/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/8ebhcmvct/C6504_D3_B-_E367-4_DF3-_B31_E-793_FECD16_A1_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8ebhcmvct/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on January 05, 2018, 10:12:46 AM
Here is one of the best cado in season, can get enough.
Ismael like butter not watery despite its West Indian  linage
(https://s14.postimg.cc/68h6igckd/8_B69696_C-24_A5-44_A7-9996-09_C14_ABEF401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/68h6igckd/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/8ebhcmvct/C6504_D3_B-_E367-4_DF3-_B31_E-793_FECD16_A1_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8ebhcmvct/)

Nice and simply amazing that it's not watery which is a real turn off for me.  Speaking of W. Indies lineage Carlos mailed me some Catalinas and Monroes which we were really enjoyed.

Harvested my third Sir Prize and it was the excellent - VERY creamy, tasty, peeled quite easy.  I picked it with just a spot of green and instead of taking 3 days on the counter like the others this one took about 9 days.  Nice size too - 12.0 oz.

(https://s10.postimg.cc/cqorv7s9h/Sir_Prize_Jan4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cqorv7s9h/)

(https://s10.postimg.cc/q909kroid/Sir_Prize_Jan4_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/q909kroid/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on January 30, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
Went and checked the trees out this morning.  We had a santa ana event and the trees got blasted a bit this weekend.  No damage or lost fruits thankfully.  Noticed my pinkerton tree already has started setting fruit.

Most of the trees are in full bloom. 

(https://s14.postimg.cc/4iz3ao0b1/20180130_080738.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4iz3ao0b1/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/4iz3ankvh/20180130_081022.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4iz3ankvh/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: sidney on January 30, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
I have Lula,Oro Negro, Day and Brogdon.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on January 30, 2018, 09:52:46 PM
Too many Santa Ana events this past year.

I lost >90% of my stone fruit fruitlets in April. I finally got to taste my royal Lee and Minnie royal cherries - all 2 of them that I could salvage. No pluerries, cherry plums, only 3 splash Plutoís, canít remember the others but total loss.

Then end of September had Santa Ana winds wind burn most of my avocados as they are in pots. Still recovering with lots of TLC

Then the past 2 weekends I have done more than 40 graftso including multiple avocado and stone fruit. Next day we have Santa Anaís for 2 days.  Hopefully something takes.

My pinkertons are in bloom but Iím missinge bees this year. I donít see too many around the yard.

K
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on January 31, 2018, 12:13:48 AM
Time to get a bee hive!  Your neighbors will love it.   :)

Theres a fued between one of my neighbors who has 5 bee hives and the other who has a pool.  Pool guy and his guests were getting stung in the pool by all the bees that drink it.  The bees are welcome at my house, I have lots of fruit trees and no pool.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on January 31, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
Spring pollinators for me are not just bees, many are flies!  Also have moths, butterflies, red wasps.  Millions of bees (bee hives) were lost to the flooding by Hurricane Harvey.  We even have bees foraging in December.   If you leave a can of Cola around they will set up house in and on it.

There were about 8 flies feeding at this small section of Gwen avocado blossoms (RIP).  :D 

(https://s10.postimg.cc/jruvfc1p1/Flieson_Gwen_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jruvfc1p1/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: johnb51 on January 31, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
Too many Santa Ana events this past year.

I lost >90% of my stone fruit fruitlets in April. I finally got to taste my royal Lee and Minnie royal cherries - all 2 of them that I could salvage. No pluerries, cherry plums, only 3 splash Plutoís, canít remember the others but total loss.

Then end of September had Santa Ana winds wind burn most of my avocados as they are in pots. Still recovering with lots of TLC

Then the past 2 weekends I have done more than 40 graftso including multiple avocado and stone fruit. Next day we have Santa Anaís for 2 days.  Hopefully something takes.

My pinkertons are in bloom but Iím missinge bees this year. I donít see too many around the yard.

K
So have the Santa Ana winds increased in frequency and intensity in recent years? 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on January 31, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
The last 6 months or so have been bad because it was a hot summer and no rain hardly since March of 2017.  I think we had 1 storm a few weeks ago that made 2 or 3 inches.  Thats like 8 or 9 months it rained once.  That makes the wind particularly dry.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on January 31, 2018, 11:11:14 PM

So have the Santa Ana winds increased in frequency and intensity in recent years? 
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I have only been paying attention the last few years and last year was definitely  the worst.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on February 16, 2018, 04:15:31 PM
Went and looked at my trees today.  One of my sir prize trees had its first black fruit.  Its still hard.  Glad I checked on them, will report back on quality black on tree vs green on tree.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4765/40306028011_f2025072eb_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on February 16, 2018, 05:20:25 PM
Nice harvest there, Spaugh!

I picked my first darkened Sir prize on Jan 29; your entry above reminded me that I had one picked already that I stashed in the fridge and I just tasted it now: Hmm..., smooth, full of flavor and just enough oil content it seems. Also, the seed is relatively small, and it's skin does not stick to the meat, and the meat is easily separated from the fruit's skin using a spoon, even though the skin is on the thin side.Much different than the only I had last season; when I picked it in December: it was bland, tasteless ...

Obviously; December was way too early to pick this variety in SoCal; I guess the darkening of the fruit is a good indication of it being ready to be picked, huh?

(https://i.imgur.com/wyZLF7Tl.jpg)

Hope you enjoy yours, Spaugh! Too bad that Mark from Texas is unable to joint our Sir prize tasting experience...holler on me when you are ready to do some grafting, Mark!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on February 17, 2018, 07:28:02 AM
Way to go Samu!

Too bad that Mark from Texas is unable to joint our Sir prize tasting experience...holler on me when you are ready to do some grafting, Mark!

Oh, but I have, on a Frankencado that was grafted 2016.  I let that branch hold 7.  Got some really nice fruit.  Now, whether or not it's alive is debatable.  The Reed and Gwen are, which is a frickin' miracle.  Remember Reed is a frost tender Guatemalan strain and my greenhouse hit 18F.  For how long I don't know.  Looks pretty sad but all the citrus is alive too, yay!

Sir Prize:

(https://s10.postimg.cc/3mfnoda79/Sir_Prize_2nd_One_Dec_26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3mfnoda79/)

Dec. 4

(https://s10.postimg.cc/c4p3sq3v9/Sir_Prize_Dec4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/c4p3sq3v9/)

Took this shot yesterday.  With my recent pruning this house is pretty damn bare.   We have a scion exchange next Saturday so I'll be getting seedling stock then and other goodies.   That beautiful Reed on the right was 10' X 10' 

(https://s10.postimg.cc/uljijbmbp/Greenhouse_Feb15.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uljijbmbp/)

Guacamole' anyone?  This is a fraction of the avocados I lost.  The others are on a burn pile, kitchen counter, or seeds stuck with toothpicks sitting in water.  I did get to eat a few Oro Negro but being a month early they were only fair in taste.  Texture was incredible, skin like hard leather which I like.  I lost a nice crop of Holiday, Reed, Oro Negro, Gwen and a few strays like Ardith.

(https://s10.postimg.cc/dl0mat9c5/Greenhouse_Feb15_6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dl0mat9c5/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on February 17, 2018, 07:31:40 AM
Foliar nubs on Reed.


(https://s10.postimg.cc/7wubk351h/Greenhouse_Feb15_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7wubk351h/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on February 17, 2018, 11:26:03 AM
Glad to see those nubs!
I supposed you are now working on getting the alarm installed, Mark? Have fun!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on February 18, 2018, 09:04:03 AM
Glad to see those nubs!
I supposed you are now working on getting the alarm installed, Mark? Have fun!

Yeah, am pretty happy about it Sam.  Still having trouble finding a source for White Sugarloaf.  Will order a temp alarm system to add to my Davis Instruments Vantage Pro2 system.  Great weather station BTW.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on March 04, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
Iíve only been living in the area for the past 4 years but will say that this last year was the worst of the 4. Time will tell. Maybe some of the others whoíve lived in the area longer can speak to any trends theyíve noticed. I know about 10 years ago my parents had hurricane force winds (70-80) mph in the hills in Pasadena, completely defoliated and wind burnt many of their trees.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on March 31, 2018, 06:43:35 PM
Didnt water my trees for a while and found a few dropped fruit today.  My holiday dropped 2 big boys.  And a few hass fell off.  The Sir Prizes were black and were picked.  Still have a lot of Sir Prize that will need to be picked and eaten soon.  Gave the trees an extra squirt of water today.


(https://s17.postimg.cc/vsznihqgr/20180331_152423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vsznihqgr/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on March 31, 2018, 07:33:49 PM
Nice harvest Brad you got it going on for sure!!  ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: pineislander on March 31, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
I'm in Florida but have quite a few trees which are variety unknown. As fruit develops I'll post some pics to try and identify them.
This was the earliest, three trees which are very compact, short and small leaved compared to all other trees I have. Anyone care to venture a guess on the variety?


(https://s18.postimg.cc/x9l2w1oat/DSC01293.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x9l2w1oat/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on March 31, 2018, 09:21:59 PM
Nice harvest Brad you got it going on for sure!!  ;)

Thank you!  We are enjoying our returns for all the work we put in.  My friends and family always want to sample the goods.  One of our friends calls them the spavocados.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on March 31, 2018, 10:25:31 PM
My last 2 Sir prizes dropped this morning:
(https://i.imgur.com/jJaCuvUm.jpg)

Sorry Pineislander, no idea of what your variety is, but your tree
looks so healthy with of all green leaves. All my older leaves
are green/brown combo..., I suspect was due to our hard water,
and hardly taking any rain water... (SoCal drought).
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 01, 2018, 07:52:55 AM
Didnt water my trees for a while and found a few dropped fruit today.  My holiday dropped 2 big boys.  And a few hass fell off.  The Sir Prizes were black and were picked.  Still have a lot of Sir Prize that will need to be picked and eaten soon.  Gave the trees an extra squirt of water today.


(https://s17.postimg.cc/vsznihqgr/20180331_152423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vsznihqgr/)

Very nice harvest!

Does the taste of the Holiday live up to all the hype?   As you know I lost mine in the Jan. 17 freeze, one fruit hung on for about a month, the stem dried up and I tried it.  Even though it shriveled a bit it wasn't half bad regarding flavor in spite of it needing another 7-8 mos. hang time.  Holiday is certainly an attractive fruit too.

Jan. 25

(https://s9.postimg.cc/5oc5t5pt7/Holiday_Jan25.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5oc5t5pt7/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 01, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
Didnt water my trees for a while and found a few dropped fruit today.  My holiday dropped 2 big boys.  And a few hass fell off.  The Sir Prizes were black and were picked.  Still have a lot of Sir Prize that will need to be picked and eaten soon.  Gave the trees an extra squirt of water today.


(https://s17.postimg.cc/vsznihqgr/20180331_152423.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vsznihqgr/)

Very nice harvest!

Does the taste of the Holiday live up to all the hype?   As you know I lost mine in the Jan. 17 freeze, one fruit hung on for about a month, the stem dried up and I tried it.  Even though it shriveled a bit it wasn't half bad regarding flavor in spite of it needing another 7-8 mos. hang time.  Holiday is certainly an attractive fruit too.

Jan. 25

(https://s9.postimg.cc/5oc5t5pt7/Holiday_Jan25.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5oc5t5pt7/)

I dont know Mark, I have 2 holiday trees both 2 years old.  Havent tried the fruit yet.  One aborted the fruits yesterday, the other one is still holding 2 fruits.  It sucks, I should have been watering more.  It got in the mid 80s with wind the last few days and I made the mistake of not watering.  Our soil drains really fast and doesnt hold much moisture.  Its all rock and sand.  Heres a photo of one of the holiday trees.

(https://s17.postimg.cc/wv13sm67v/20180326_111542.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wv13sm67v/)

We ate a bunch of pinkertons in the last few weeks.  Thats an excellent tasting fruit.  Everyone in the house agreed that was really fine tasting avocado.  I have to be honest though, so many of these trees make good fruit but overall they have sone weaknesses compared to hass.  Hass tastes great, bears heavy, grows fast, hangs on the tree forever...  hard to beat it.

Pinkerton
(https://s17.postimg.cc/tbf62wye3/20180328_074248.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tbf62wye3/)

Not sure if you can see her but I caught bambi eyeing my avocados through the fence the other morning.

(https://s17.postimg.cc/aaabnbmcr/20180329_065446.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/aaabnbmcr/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 02, 2018, 10:26:36 AM
Deer looks cool.  Me and a lot of others deer fence.   I've got 14 acres protected.

Does the neck of the Pinkerton turn ripe before the rest of the body? 

Fine looking Holiday.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on April 02, 2018, 10:46:24 AM
No it ripens perfectly even delicious  avocado
(https://s17.postimg.cc/v9hp6kl0r/53_F3_FF29-6994-47_F5-84_A3-_A4_D09_D4_AD403.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v9hp6kl0r/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 03, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
No it ripens perfectly even delicious  avocado
(https://s17.postimg.cc/v9hp6kl0r/53_F3_FF29-6994-47_F5-84_A3-_A4_D09_D4_AD403.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v9hp6kl0r/)

Looks delish!  I've bought Pinkerton fruit mail order.  They are really fine.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: funlul on April 05, 2018, 01:24:51 AM
Does reed bloom for you guys in socal yet? New to reed, it's holding lots of fruits this year and hesitant to flower. All other trees are in frantic bloom and I start to worry I may not get many reeds next year.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: BestDay on April 05, 2018, 01:28:13 AM
My small Reed is just starting to bloom now and dropping it's fruit from last year.

Bill
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Seanny on April 05, 2018, 02:10:25 AM
My young Reed is blooming. I see a couple of tiny fruits. It's not holding  any fruits from last year.

My neighbor's Hass bloomed 1st week of March last year, earlier than my Reed. There were no fruits on the Hass.
This year, with fruits still holding, it's beginning to bloom.

So your Reed should bloom a bit later when it's holding fruits.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 05, 2018, 10:08:10 AM
Reed blooms last and self pollinates.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 05, 2018, 10:49:32 AM
Reed blooms last and self pollinates.

Yep.  The only one that blooms (or did) with Reed was my Oro Negro, which I'm going to top work.  Rootstock is putting off nice shoots.

Speaking of Reed, it's coming back with a vengeance.  I left 4 shoots go and some are as big as my thumb.  Is this crazy or what????  My greenhouse hit 18F, this is pure Guatemalan, not supposed to be cold hardy at all and it's not only alive but going nuts!

Mother nature never ceases to amaze me.  My "dead" pineapple plants are pushing pups, etc.

March 31. It's a foot taller now.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/tvvfgqjat/Reed_March31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tvvfgqjat/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 05, 2018, 11:10:05 AM
Reed blooms last and self pollinates.

Yep.  The only one that blooms (or did) with Reed was my Oro Negro, which I'm going to top work.  Rootstock is putting off nice shoots.

Speaking of Reed, it's coming back with a vengeance.  I left 4 shoots go and some are as big as my thumb.  Is this crazy or what????  My greenhouse hit 18F, this is pure Guatemalan, not supposed to be cold hardy at all and it's not only alive but going nuts!

Mother nature never ceases to amaze me.  My "dead" pineapple plants are pushing pups, etc.

March 31. It's a foot taller now.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/tvvfgqjat/Reed_March31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tvvfgqjat/)

It should be 8ft tall by September
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on April 05, 2018, 11:56:28 AM
Wow, those sprouts look so eager to reach the sky...! :D
Are you going to let Reed be Reed or make it a cocktail tree?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: funlul on April 05, 2018, 03:27:26 PM
Reed blooms last and self pollinates.

Even though reed does not have the "alternate bearing" reputation, I was still a little concerned. Thank you. Anxious to taste my first properly ripened reed.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 06, 2018, 09:32:22 AM
Wow, those sprouts look so eager to reach the sky...! :D
Are you going to let Reed be Reed or make it a cocktail tree?

Gonna let it be.  We love Reed and with age the fruit should only get better.  I watered yesterday morning and I swear by the afternoon it was 3" taller.  I've got leaves a foot long now!  I've got shoots growing on 3 other old and large rootstocks.  Will use that wood to graft too.

BTW, did my second innoculation with VAM on all stock in the greenhouse.  Need to start a thread on it.  I innoculated everything on the farm with a endo/ecto mychorrizial product.  Vineyard which requires VAM is on steroids.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/fawh9et91/VAM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fawh9et91/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 06, 2018, 10:20:45 AM
Wow, those sprouts look so eager to reach the sky...! :D
Are you going to let Reed be Reed or make it a cocktail tree?

Gonna let it be.  We love Reed and with age the fruit should only get better.  I watered yesterday morning and I swear by the afternoon it was 3" taller.  I've got leaves a foot long now!  I've got shoots growing on 3 other old and large rootstocks.  Will use that wood to graft too.

BTW, did my second innoculation with VAM on all stock in the greenhouse.  Need to start a thread on it.  I innoculated everything on the farm with a endo/ecto mychorrizial product.  Vineyard which requires VAM is on steroids.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/fawh9et91/VAM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fawh9et91/)
You could hit your tree with a sprinkle of urea if you want to see it really explode.  Just be sure to water it and leach it between applications so it doesnt accumulate and burn the tree.  A little urea goes a long way on a fast growing avocado tree.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Avinsmith on April 07, 2018, 08:20:20 AM

(https://s17.postimg.cc/i3aodfsqj/IMG20180406104424.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i3aodfsqj/)
We import almost type of avocado . But now 034 avocado still on Top market of Viet Nam
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 07, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
You could hit your tree with a sprinkle of urea if you want to see it really explode.  Just be sure to water it and leach it between applications so it doesnt accumulate and burn the tree.  A little urea goes a long way on a fast growing avocado tree.

Yeah, that would work.  Even more of a N kick is UAN.  Your local feed stores should stock it in bulk.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on April 08, 2018, 01:40:24 AM
Hi Mark, is it OK to to water the trees with the regular Municipal water when you inoculate the roots with mycorrhizae?
(Amazon seller's note says not to use chlorinated water).
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 08, 2018, 09:28:55 AM
Hi Mark, is it OK to to water the trees with the regular Municipal water when you inoculate the roots with mycorrhizae?
(Amazon seller's note says not to use chlorinated water).

Have no clue.  I'll ask Dr. Faust, owner.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on April 08, 2018, 04:10:14 PM
Hi everyone

So we have this hass avocado tree where we have a hard time figuring out when itís ripe or not. Itíll turn black on the outside but the inside is still pretty hard. And also quite bland.

So Iím not sure whatís the issue. Not enough water? Need more fertilizer? Thanks!

(https://s9.postimg.cc/udjocjm57/1_B3_FE540-_D14_D-4867-_BE58-51_BAC0_BFBC9_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/udjocjm57/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 08, 2018, 05:23:19 PM
Hi everyone

So we have this hass avocado tree where we have a hard time figuring out when itís ripe or not. Itíll turn black on the outside but the inside is still pretty hard. And also quite bland.

So Iím not sure whatís the issue. Not enough water? Need more fertilizer? Thanks!

(https://s9.postimg.cc/udjocjm57/1_B3_FE540-_D14_D-4867-_BE58-51_BAC0_BFBC9_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/udjocjm57/)

Let it hang on the tree longer
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on April 08, 2018, 06:32:39 PM
Hi everyone

So we have this hass avocado tree where we have a hard time figuring out when itís ripe or not. Itíll turn black on the outside but the inside is still pretty hard. And also quite bland.

So Iím not sure whatís the issue. Not enough water? Need more fertilizer? Thanks!

(https://s9.postimg.cc/udjocjm57/1_B3_FE540-_D14_D-4867-_BE58-51_BAC0_BFBC9_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/udjocjm57/)

Let it hang on the tree longer

thanks for the advice. i'll leave the ones on the trees for a bit longer. I had thought they were done since the tree is flowering again.

from what i've read...haas season here in socal is around feb to july?

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 08, 2018, 06:47:12 PM
Seed looks big for hass.  Is it a hass for sure?  Hass is in season and will keep getting better for many more months.  You are letting them sit on the couter and get soft too right?  It might take a week or more to get ripe after picking it.

 Avocado trees can hold fruit while blooming and fruit setting the next crop.  Its ok, just let them hang.  Some avocados take 18 months on the tree.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on April 08, 2018, 08:17:21 PM
Wow, are you sure that's a Hass tree you have? Did you get it from a Nursery or ? Hass usually as a smaller seed, could be seedling maybe?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: funlul on April 08, 2018, 10:11:38 PM
My friend was wondering why her hass fruits take forever to ripen, I told her the fruits ripen off the tree and should be in season now. She happily went ahead to pick ALL the fruits, and I almost got a heart attack seeing so many fruits in bright green ---- I did not know hass fruits stay green on the tree, and turn to dark color AFTER picking.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 08, 2018, 10:22:13 PM
When hass fruits are starting to get a decent oil content they turn dull green and then darkish green almost black on the tree.  If they are bright green they need more time.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on April 09, 2018, 01:20:42 AM
Wow, are you sure that's a Hass tree you have? Did you get it from a Nursery or ? Hass usually as a smaller seed, could be seedling maybe?

this is from my parent's backyard. super old tree...decades old....

When hass fruits are starting to get a decent oil content they turn dull green and then darkish green almost black on the tree.  If they are bright green they need more time.

i'm not 100% sure it was a haas. the skin is super pebbly...but i'll try to take another pic of one that isn't as black as that.
thanks spaugh for the tips. i'll leave the remaining ones on the tree longer and see how that goes.

i've been picking them based on size and not color. :P

oh! i just realized that i had posted once about what type they were but we couldn't pinpoint exactly what they were. the avocado above is the middle one.

(https://s9.postimg.cc/klv8vae97/avocados.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/klv8vae97/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 09, 2018, 01:39:42 AM
I remember your post now.  It looks like a hass type but seed looks larger than normal hass.  Maybe gwen hass or just a hass seedling.  Is the tree fairly small for its age? 

You should let some fruit hang on the tree through summer to figure out when is the best time to pick them.  Its ok to let them hold this years and next years fruit at the same time.

(https://cdn2.curejoy.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Types-of-avocado-e1475056373276.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on April 09, 2018, 01:49:31 AM
I remember your post now.  It looks like a hass type but seed looks larger than normal hass.  Maybe gwen hass or just a hass seedling.  Is the tree fairly small for its age? 

You should let some fruit hang on the tree through summer to figure out when is the best time to pick them.  Its ok to let them hold this years and next years fruit at the same time.

(https://cdn2.curejoy.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Types-of-avocado-e1475056373276.jpg)

oh that helps! the tree has been around the same size for a looong time. i can't wrap my arms around the trunks of the trees....although back in 2012-14 it looked like it was about to die but has now come back. i did find some pictures of avocados i had picked from that tree and those were from july so i'm still early then compared to when i had picked most of them last year. but i'll pay more attention to the colors this time.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 09, 2018, 09:12:19 AM
Hi Mark, is it OK to to water the trees with the regular Municipal water when you inoculate the roots with mycorrhizae?
(Amazon seller's note says not to use chlorinated water).

Response:

Not a real problem.  if spraying city water could kill fungi, they would be using it all over the place. chlorinated water the chlorine is volatile and goes off or combines in the soil with something to form a chloride ion.  I never heard that this could be an issue with any fungi. I think they water mushrooms with chlorinated water to control bacteria disease.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Luisport on April 09, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
Hello everyone! There are any variety that start to give fruit sooner? Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on April 09, 2018, 11:25:38 AM
Reed blooms last and self pollinates.

Yep.  The only one that blooms (or did) with Reed was my Oro Negro, which I'm going to top work.  Rootstock is putting off nice shoots.

Speaking of Reed, it's coming back with a vengeance.  I left 4 shoots go and some are as big as my thumb.  Is this crazy or what????  My greenhouse hit 18F, this is pure Guatemalan, not supposed to be cold hardy at all and it's not only alive but going nuts!

Mother nature never ceases to amaze me.  My "dead" pineapple plants are pushing pups, etc.

March 31. It's a foot taller now.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/tvvfgqjat/Reed_March31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tvvfgqjat/)
Hi Mark, it's excellent to see the prize of your Avocado plants popping back with such fervor after being so heavily smitten in the winter.  Did any of your other avocado trees recover?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: funlul on April 09, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
When hass fruits are starting to get a decent oil content they turn dull green and then darkish green almost black on the tree.  If they are bright green they need more time.

My other friend's hass is in season now, much darker green color.
This friend has a young tree and fruiting for the first or second time. I suspect it takes longer to ripen them.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on April 09, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
Hi Mark, is it OK to to water the trees with the regular Municipal water when you inoculate the roots with mycorrhizae?
(Amazon seller's note says not to use chlorinated water).

Response:

Not a real problem.  if spraying city water could kill fungi, they would be using it all over the place. chlorinated water the chlorine is volatile and goes off or combines in the soil with something to form a chloride ion.  I never heard that this could be an issue with any fungi. I think they water mushrooms with chlorinated water to control bacteria disease.


Thank you Mark, for taking the extra effort and time to get the answer!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on April 09, 2018, 03:51:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EeKdfvbl.jpg)
I have in ground 12 inches high seedling with Fuerte scion on it, grafted Jan 24; now it's blooming! (the scion is from my neighbor's very mature large tree).
I know I can't allow this to continue, should I pug it when and where?

Thanks...still learning!  :)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Greg A on April 09, 2018, 04:17:52 PM
Luisport,

Of the varieties I grow and feel like I know well enough, Gwen and Pinkerton seem most precocious.

And I'm also thinking of the trees not being in especially great pollination conditions, like with many bees and near opposite-type varieties. (In those conditions, it's harder to say how precocious a variety is on its own.)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 09, 2018, 05:54:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EeKdfvbl.jpg)
I have in ground 12 inches high seedling with Fuerte scion on it, grafted Jan 24; now it's blooming! (the scion is from my neighbor's very mature large tree).
I know I can't allow this to continue, should I pug it when and where?

Thanks...still learning!  :)

Dont pug it.  Its only a foot tall! Just let it grow.  Remove the flowers if you want, its going to be done flowering in a month anyway.  And remove any branches on the rootstock.

Fence looks pretty close by for a fuerte there Samu.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on April 09, 2018, 08:53:30 PM
I probably should treat this like growing mango in SoCal: "Plant a seed, then graft after it's ready to bear fruits", or else I would be dealing with this bloom every year, holding up the growth. (Idea from Simon). I now realize that it's not a good idea to graft this little seedling that early.

So, I tend to remove the graft (only set me back 2 months), let the rootstock grow bigger, then regraft something like Reed and Pinkerton combo on it.
Yes, it looks darn close to the fence from the photo, but it's got about 3 feet distance, and I'll probably change the cultivar to Reed/Pinkerton combo instead...
Thanks for your response, Brad!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 09, 2018, 10:49:22 PM
NO!  Just let it grow.  The blooms will not slow it down.  This happens on all nursery stock avocado trees.  Its going to stop blooming and grow hard until november.   Its better to get the graft where you have it.

If you want a different cultivar thats another story.  You should still get the graft down low and forget about the blooms.  Avocados dont grow much if anyduring winter anyways, they just bloom.  Its not going to stunt the tree.



Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on April 10, 2018, 12:59:33 AM
Agree with Brad. Very normal to have blooms and then from center of blooms you will have leaves growing.

Fuerte bears every other year and tends to spread out btw.

Unlike mango, if you remove the flowers more wonít spring up in their place. So you could pick them off but honestly the vast majority of flowers wonít set fruit, and for something this small itís not going to set or hold fruit unless you really babied and hormoned the hell out of it 🧐.

Iíve attaches 2 photos of some of my recent grafts. First is nimlioh with flowers as first push and then thin stalk of vegetative growth with leaves from where the flowers originated.

Second is of yamagata. There are 2 buds, both of which produced flowers, and one has obvious leaves coming from it while the second bud is just starting to push leaves.

K


(https://s14.postimg.cc/bud2mqt99/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bud2mqt99/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/tx65e074d/14632491-_D667-4103-_BB18-_C61_B1_C84_E0_AC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tx65e074d/)

(https://s14.postimg.cc/nw8ggxzxp/AB33_F944-5_EE2-4_A5_B-95_A4-660_CD43_F73_CC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nw8ggxzxp/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on April 10, 2018, 01:18:14 AM
Hello everyone! There are any variety that start to give fruit sooner? Thank's!  ;D


For good quality fruit and early fruiting, Pinkerton gives tons of flowers at an early age and does so every year.

If you donít care about high oil content quality,then get  mexicola, Jim bacon, zutano. These all flower early with many blooms. Carmen Hass reportedly tastes like hass but flowers 2-3 times per year, although you would have to keep track of which fruit belonged to which bloom period to make sure youíre picking them at peak flavor. Supposedly fruit from the third crop donít taste very good if the tree is carrying fruit from the first 2 crops, but I havenít had my tree long enough to test this.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Luisport on April 10, 2018, 05:03:52 AM
Luisport,

Of the varieties I grow and feel like I know well enough, Gwen and Pinkerton seem most precocious.

And I'm also thinking of the trees not being in especially great pollination conditions, like with many bees and near opposite-type varieties. (In those conditions, it's harder to say how precocious a variety is on its own.)
Thank you very much!  ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 10, 2018, 08:02:42 AM
Hi Mark, it's excellent to see the prize of your Avocado plants popping back with such fervor after being so heavily smitten in the winter.  Did any of your other avocado trees recover?

That Reed is now another foot tall.   Gwen is pushing good wood.  My Oro Negro and cocktail tree of Pinkerton, Ardith, Sir Prize and Holiday are pushing Waldin rootstock.   Really pisses me off as I would have had a really good crop of them all this year.   

Been a grafting fool with a cherimoya cocktail tree pushing 3 varieties, got Stewart scions on 2 Fantastic rootstocks and one Stewart on a Bacon.  I was told by the fella who gifted me the Stewart that's it's better than Hass in tasted.   Whatever, been wanting this one for decades as an outdoor tree.  Can any one confirm the quality of Stewart?  Have not heard one bad thing about it.

Sam, I'll second what's been said about the Fuerte location - it belongs to your neighbor almost as much as it belongs to you.  Is he/she OK with it, or do they know?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 10, 2018, 08:04:46 AM
Second is of yamagata. There are 2 buds, both of which produced flowers, and one has obvious leaves coming from it while the second bud is just starting to push leaves.

Have you tasted Yamagata fruit?  What about Nishikawa?  Had the latter, lost it.   It was a Top Tropical tree....nuff said.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on April 10, 2018, 02:05:57 PM
NO!  Just let it grow.  The blooms will not slow it down.  This happens on all nursery stock avocado trees.  Its going to stop blooming and grow hard until november.   Its better to get the graft where you have it.

If you want a different cultivar thats another story.  You should still get the graft down low and forget about the blooms.  Avocados dont grow much if anyduring winter anyways, they just bloom.  Its not going to stunt the tree.
Agree with Brad. Very normal to have blooms and then from center of blooms you will have leaves growing.

Fuerte bears every other year and tends to spread out btw.

Unlike mango, if you remove the flowers more wonít spring up in their place. So you could pick them off but honestly the vast majority of flowers wonít set fruit, and for something this small itís not going to set or hold fruit unless you really babied and hormoned the hell out of it 🧐.
Always learning something new!

Sam, I'll second what's been said about the Fuerte location - it belongs to your neighbor almost as much as it belongs to you.  Is he/she OK with it, or do they know?
OK, I hear you, I'll move it to different location. Thanks everyone!

 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 19, 2018, 06:52:09 PM
Here some more sir prize, hass, and a pinkerton.  The Sir Prize has really improved in the last month.  April is a good time to pick them, the flesh gets really dense and buttery.  Im going to try and let the few remaining ones hang util June if possible.


(https://s31.postimg.cc/cocm25zl3/20180419_112821.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cocm25zl3/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on April 20, 2018, 01:23:26 AM
Second is of yamagata. There are 2 buds, both of which produced flowers, and one has obvious leaves coming from it while the second bud is just starting to push leaves.

Have you tasted Yamagata fruit?  What about Nishikawa?  Had the latter, lost it.   It was a Top Tropical tree....nuff said.


Hi Mark

Sorry I didnít respond earlier. I havenít tried any of the fruit. Hopefully Iíll have something to show for it in a couple of years.

🤗
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 20, 2018, 08:06:08 AM
Here some more sir prize, hass, and a pinkerton.  The Sir Prize has really improved in the last month.  April is a good time to pick them, the flesh gets really dense and buttery.  Im going to try and let the few remaining ones hang util June if possible.


(https://s31.postimg.cc/cocm25zl3/20180419_112821.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cocm25zl3/)

Looks fantastic.   
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: funlul on April 21, 2018, 01:48:29 AM
Hi all, I am looking for avocado recommendation in Socal. What variety tastes good for September thru December?

On my tree, Fuerte (December-April) and Reed (May-September) are dominant, followed by Jan Boyce (December-January-ish despite what online sources say), Sharwill (grows too slowly to count), and small graft of suspected Mexicola's season is yet to be seen (allegedly 2 harvests, July and January).

I guess holiday is an obvious choice, but I somehow heard it does not produce that well?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on April 30, 2018, 05:17:10 PM
It's bacon, so nothing to get overly excited over but still an impressive fruit set.  Look's like it will hold a good share of those.  The other trees look like heavy fruit set also but not quite as far along yet. 

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/944/40001798730_168ff076c1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on May 01, 2018, 03:50:17 AM
I'm really IMPRESSED to see the fruit set you can get with your trees!
I consider myself LUCKY when my avocado tree sets ONE fruit every 10 flower panicles!  ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 01, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
I'm really IMPRESSED to see the fruit set you can get with your trees!
I consider myself LUCKY when my avocado tree sets ONE fruit every 10 flower panicles!  ;)

I actually do very little for the trees.  My neighbors have honey bee hives that do all the work.  I was surprised by this year's fruit set also.  Will post more pic's of all the trees in a few weeks when the others catch up.

One of my neighbors got a mason bee hive.  It's just little bamboo shoots.  Apparently those bees are 100X more productive than standard honey bees.  I have seen a few of these bees hanging around  here doing work.  A very small mason bee hive could house a lot of very powerful bees.  Something any homeowner backyard gardener can get super cheap.  They sell on amazon and it's something you could easily make.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on May 01, 2018, 02:28:37 PM
I must have 100 thousands fruitlets at all different stages on one of my Sir Prize....Iím lucky if 400-500 hundred cross the finish line.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on May 01, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
BEES are the key!
I know pollination is the crucial stage and in my case everything is more difficult since only 2 trees  are flowering and they are far from each other....i will try to find a bees hive for my garden
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 01, 2018, 11:14:42 PM
BEES are the key!
I know pollination is the crucial stage and in my case everything is more difficult since only 2 trees  are flowering and they are far from each other....i will try to find a bees hive for my garden

Get a carpenter bee nest.  They are really small and easy to make.  Honey bees are more complicated.  I searched "carpenter bees of Phillipines" and it looks like they use carpenter bees to pollinate passionfruit there.  So if you make a carpenter bee hive, they should come live there.  It's worth a try.  Much easier than dealing with honey bees.

You may be able to get carpenter bees by just drilling holes in a piece of wood.  Look it up, I haven't made one but they sell simple bamboo ones at the store.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Wenz on May 01, 2018, 11:22:31 PM
hii, greeting

i'm newb on avocados, only a few variety like marcus, hass, yamagata,and some local variety..i live in tropical climate

any suggestions for large type variety with the best taste among them?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on May 02, 2018, 05:02:21 AM
BEES are the key!
I know pollination is the crucial stage and in my case everything is more difficult since only 2 trees  are flowering and they are far from each other....i will try to find a bees hive for my garden

Get a carpenter bee nest.  They are really small and easy to make.  Honey bees are more complicated.  I searched "carpenter bees of Phillipines" and it looks like they use carpenter bees to pollinate passionfruit there.  So if you make a carpenter bee hive, they should come live there.  It's worth a try.  Much easier than dealing with honey bees.

You may be able to get carpenter bees by just drilling holes in a piece of wood.  Look it up, I haven't made one but they sell simple bamboo ones at the store.

Sounds extremely interesting!
i will give a try, thanks for the brilliant idea :-)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 02, 2018, 07:21:27 AM
BEES are the key!

And flies.   Must have hundreds like this one on a Gwen.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/ugm4scjv9/Flyon_Gwen.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ugm4scjv9/)

There's 8 on this small flower cluster.  It's really bad when your avocado trees stink enough to attract flies.   ::)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/96yihjtat/Flieson_Gwen_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/96yihjtat/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: owenismo on May 04, 2018, 11:44:37 PM
Do you guys know what kind of dwarf avocado is at Lowe's? I would like to get a GEM avocado. I figured out my soil is clay, so I would have to grow it in a 15 gallon or raised planter. Not having any luck coming across GEM. Any other dwarf suggestions that you guys think is good tasting and abundant of fruit? Or should I just get the lowe's dwarf.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: OCchris1 on May 05, 2018, 02:44:23 AM
Did someone take a shit under your tree to get the flies Mark? ;) I've never seen a fly in my yard on a flower. Good luck to you...I know you had a rough winter. Chris
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 05, 2018, 09:12:49 AM
Did someone take a shit under your tree to get the flies Mark? ;) I've never seen a fly in my yard on a flower. Good luck to you...I know you had a rough winter. Chris

Not that I know of. 

I have some really strange pollinators, 100's of them at any given time.  Those are houseflies, have others that have that shiny blue butt....so purty!  Bees, moths, butterflies.  Being in the country helps.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 05, 2018, 10:40:53 AM
Did someone take a shit under your tree to get the flies Mark? ;) I've never seen a fly in my yard on a flower. Good luck to you...I know you had a rough winter. Chris

Not that I know of. 

I have some really strange pollinators, 100's of them at any given time.  Those are houseflies, have others that have that shiny blue butt....so purty!  Bees, moths, butterflies.  Being in the country helps.

I have the little flies on my flowers too mark.  You aren't alone.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 05, 2018, 12:07:21 PM
Do you guys know what kind of dwarf avocado is at Lowe's? I would like to get a GEM avocado. I figured out my soil is clay, so I would have to grow it in a 15 gallon or raised planter. Not having any luck coming across GEM. Any other dwarf suggestions that you guys think is good tasting and abundant of fruit? Or should I just get the lowe's dwarf.

It's a Wurtz aka "little cado" aka dwarf cado.  That's the best one to grow in a container.  I would use a 25 or 40 gallon container though.  15G container is still small evendors for a dwarf tree.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 05, 2018, 01:28:50 PM
Did someone take a shit under your tree to get the flies Mark? ;) I've never seen a fly in my yard on a flower. Good luck to you...I know you had a rough winter. Chris
I read somewhere that you can spray a low honey/water solution on and near the undersides of the avocado flowers to attract pollinators.  My yard is fully abuzz with honey bees (and a couple bumble and hummingbird), but they stay clear of the Avocado focusing on the lavender, citrus, apple and peach in that order.  They also ignore my tomato flowers, so long ago I took to using a vibrating toothbrush to pollinate the toms, which led to over fruiting.  Now, I'm more lazy and leave it to the wind.

So I tried the honey on my Fuerte when it was in heavy bloom a few weeks back, and the tree was attacked by every fly and other type of nasty bug with wings in the area, though still no bees.  Regardless, it seemed to set a lot of fruit.  The problem is I doubt any will hold on.  There's still probably 50 small 1-2cm fruit on the tree, but they aren't very green.  Most seem to be turning brown (sunburn?).  I need to figure out what I'm going to do with these three potted avocado trees I've got.  Right now, they've nearly dropped all of their leaves from last year.  I'll probably post on them in another thread I had opened on the topic.  Good luck with the flies.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 05, 2018, 01:49:45 PM
Avocados shed their leaves this time of year and will flush new leaves.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 05, 2018, 03:37:20 PM
Avocados shed their leaves this time of year and will flush new leaves.
Hi Spaugh-

I know that the CA, particularly Northern CA, avocado trees will drop leaves in Spring and push out a new flush of growth.  But I wonder if your trees have dropped as many leaves as have mine.

Here's a picture of the trees from a while back when I was worried about the yellowing leaves:
(https://s31.postimg.cc/yscawrj7r/20171101_094254_resized.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yscawrj7r/)

Here's what they look like today.  They've dropped 50% of the leaves over the past week (probably more):

(https://s31.postimg.cc/s35rgkq47/20180505_114733.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/s35rgkq47/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/foizgbqx3/20180505_114741.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/foizgbqx3/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/ez073yinr/20180505_114814.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ez073yinr/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/owb7x0347/20180505_114822.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/owb7x0347/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/3zezsbxdj/20180505_114829.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3zezsbxdj/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/ytm8q1nkn/20180505_114935.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ytm8q1nkn/)

One of the reasons I'm concerned with such a heavy leaf drop is that it exposes the entire tree, trunk, branches, fruitlings and all to sunburn.  The fruit set on my Fuerte seem to be cooking in the sun:

(https://s31.postimg.cc/j9euzdvev/20180505_114855.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j9euzdvev/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/4q7pxz9zr/20180505_114918.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4q7pxz9zr/)

In the end, I'm probably just fighting a losing battle with these trees stuck in their constricting pots.  If they fail to hold any viable fruit this early season, I'll probably cut them to stumps, topple the 500lb pots, pull them out, root-prune and then try and re-pot in expandable RBII containers; maybe top-work a few.  I don't like having such unhealthy, unfruitful trees.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: owenismo on May 05, 2018, 04:46:20 PM
Do you guys know what kind of dwarf avocado is at Lowe's? I would like to get a GEM avocado. I figured out my soil is clay, so I would have to grow it in a 15 gallon or raised planter. Not having any luck coming across GEM. Any other dwarf suggestions that you guys think is good tasting and abundant of fruit? Or should I just get the lowe's dwarf.

It's a Wurtz aka "little cado" aka dwarf cado.  That's the best one to grow in a container.  I would use a 25 or 40 gallon container though.  15G container is still small evendors for a dwarf tree.


Thanks Brad, do you think I should wait it out and try and get a GEM or do you think the Wurtz fruit is pretty good. Cuz I dont see Wurtz or Little Cado on your guy's list. GEM is also somewhat dwarf correct?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: alangr088 on May 06, 2018, 01:17:13 AM
Did someone take a shit under your tree to get the flies Mark? ;) I've never seen a fly in my yard on a flower. Good luck to you...I know you had a rough winter. Chris

Not that I know of. 

I have some really strange pollinators, 100's of them at any given time.  Those are houseflies, have others that have that shiny blue butt....so purty!  Bees, moths, butterflies.  Being in the country helps.

I have the little flies on my flowers too mark.  You aren't alone.

I also had* flies and bees all over my trees.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/c4aur2245/IMG_3989.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/c4aur2245/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/ngng8uiit/Screen_Shot_2018-04-11_at_9.35.28_PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngng8uiit/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/7ieqitbh1/Screen_Shot_2018-04-11_at_9.38.22_PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/7ieqitbh1/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 06, 2018, 08:31:49 AM
Avocados shed their leaves this time of year and will flush new leaves.
Hi Spaugh-

I know that the CA, particularly Northern CA, avocado trees will drop leaves in Spring and push out a new flush of growth.  But I wonder if your trees have dropped as many leaves as have mine.

Not Brad but my two cents.....that's not normal.  If they're being replaced in mass by new leaves then not so bad.  I would definately pop one out of the pot to inspect the root system.  When you have that kind of problem the root system is the usual suspect.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 06, 2018, 11:09:10 AM
z_willus_d, They are ready to go in the ground. That will make them happy. It's an uphill battle keeping them alive in pots another year.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 06, 2018, 11:12:40 AM
I have big trees with 0 leaves completely covered in flowers.  It's totally normal.  They flush hard shortly after.  It happens every year.  They don't all do it as abruptly but they all shed leaves and do new flush in spring.  I have 6 hass trees and they seem to do it the most pronounced.  When they do it, they should be flowering.

But I do agree, putting in ground would be best for them. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 06, 2018, 11:50:10 AM
Do you guys know what kind of dwarf avocado is at Lowe's? I would like to get a GEM avocado. I figured out my soil is clay, so I would have to grow it in a 15 gallon or raised planter. Not having any luck coming across GEM. Any other dwarf suggestions that you guys think is good tasting and abundant of fruit? Or should I just get the lowe's dwarf.

It's a Wurtz aka "little cado" aka dwarf cado.  That's the best one to grow in a container.  I would use a 25 or 40 gallon container though.  15G container is still small evendors for a dwarf tree.


Thanks Brad, do you think I should wait it out and try and get a GEM or do you think the Wurtz fruit is pretty good. Cuz I dont see Wurtz or Little Cado on your guy's list. GEM is also somewhat dwarf correct?

I haven't tried either fruit and am not growing either.  If I see those types I will pick them up and grow them soon.  The GEM may be a smallish tree but I don't think it's a container tree.  Wurtz, based on what I've read is the only true dwarf avocado that would be OK in a pot.  You should really still use as large of a pot as possible.  15gal is not going to produce much fruit.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on May 06, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
Brad's comments about zero leaves this time of year applies up here in San Luis Obispo County too.  A drive down to Ventura and Santa Barbara Counties will show the same.  Most trees will have some leaves still, but are at their annual replacement.  Most year-old leaves show the effect of salt burn on the tips and more.  Our water is transpired through the leaves, but the salts stay behind causing that effect. A bit of whitewash might be needed.  In a month new leaves will be doing their job until next year.

As to GEM, my GEM is from Brokaw, on their rootstock, but a poor grower relative to other avocados.  It is not only a slow grower, but lanky and generally weak.  It does produce a decent amount of avocados of good quality.  I think other avocados would do better as "dwarfs" or with annual pruning.  It will continue to occupy its spot as it has been for 5 years, but if space is needed, it's gone.  Really hard to get 5 years ago, had to call in some favors.  Maybe not worth it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 06, 2018, 01:22:11 PM
I have big trees with 0 leaves completely covered in flowers.  It's totally normal.  They flush hard shortly after.  It happens every year.  They don't all do it as abruptly but they all shed leaves and do new flush in spring.  I have 6 hass trees and they seem to do it the most pronounced.  When they do it, they should be flowering.

But I do agree, putting in ground would be best for them.
Hi Bush2Beach, Brad, Jack- I have no ground to lend these trees.  The ground beneath them is riddled with the roots from the neighbors' 12 year old plum and pear trees.  Do you think the trees will actually die in their pots if properly watered and fertilized?  As I wrote, the plan will be to dry out the soil, topple them, prune a bunch of their lower and side roots, decapitate (maybe in a different order) and re-pot in an expandable container.  Now that does sound like a tall hill to climb for mediocre avocados that may never show, but I don't see an alternative.  These trees dropped leaves starting at flowering and again at new growth flush last year and the years before, but for some reason it seems more pronounced this year.

Thanks for the advise.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 06, 2018, 02:40:08 PM
If it was me, I would go to harbor freight and buy a 11 amp jackhammer.  And I would get some root barrier material.  Then I would dig some huge holes right where the neighbors roots are in YOUR yard.  Dig em right out down a couple feet deep and 3 or 4 ft wide.  If you can get a mini excavator in the side there, I'd rent one of those instead of the jackhammer and have that suckered dug up pronto.

 Then I'd line the property line with the root barrier.  And plop my trees in MY holes on MY property.  If the neighbors trees suffer, oh well. 

Sorry if that upsets people.  I wouldn't do it to be a jerk.  Just that you have precious space and you want to grow stuff.  I wouldn't let the neighbors tree roots stop me if I was in that situation. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on May 06, 2018, 10:49:33 PM
I agree 1000%  ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: owenismo on May 07, 2018, 12:48:18 AM
Thanks for the input Jack and Brad. I will probably try and plant the little cado in the ground after I dig a huge hole. The clay soil here sucks. I will probably look for another spot if I find a GEM or something of that nature. I have a few Hass and Fuerte but they are all in pots because they won't be able to survive the clay soil
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 07, 2018, 01:19:46 AM
I went and looked at my trees today.  They aren't completely leafless but several of them have dropped most leaves and are in fruit set stage still.  Others have already flushed and have all new leaves.  The trees won't get cooked, they will flush before summer hits hard.  It was in the 90s here today and I am not at all concerned about sun exposure. 

Here's a young reed and a hass tree that have dropped leaves but not flushed yet.  The trees are using the energy from last year's leaves to make flowers and set fruit.  They look like a mess now but will look perfectly green in a month.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/950/41900037052_e23e28166f_b.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/905/41044701925_5e83941ce5_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on May 07, 2018, 02:53:25 AM
So it's normal my avocado who has fruitlets of about a walnut size has about 60% of leaves yellowing and falling down?
the lower portion of the tree with less fruits looks still green
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 07, 2018, 07:59:38 AM
Thanks for the input Jack and Brad. I will probably try and plant the little cado in the ground after I dig a huge hole. The clay soil here sucks. I will probably look for another spot if I find a GEM or something of that nature. I have a few Hass and Fuerte but they are all in pots because they won't be able to survive the clay soil

Don't dig a hole, plant in a raised bed or 16" high mound.  Avocados have a shallow but very wide root system.  They also benefit from a thick mulch.  The fine white roots can be found right under that mulch at ground level.  Here's a shot of a very young but bearing, Don Gilloughy avocado using 2 layers of cinder tree rings.  Grew like a weed.  Native soil was a high pH calcareous black clay gumbo.  Water source was hard with a high TDS too.  Notice the quality of the leaves - no burn.  This was 15 years ago.  I moved and the new owners killed it.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/amqbi281x/Avocados_On_Tree8-13-04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/amqbi281x/)

Fruit had a necky profile like a Pinkerton.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/n1d3ilx1x/Avocados_On_Tree8-13-04_Closeup.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/n1d3ilx1x/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 07, 2018, 08:06:12 AM
Looks great Brad.  FWIW if any of you do have a problem with sunburn reach for the Surround wettable powder first.  About a TBSP or two in a gallon and you'll have a nice white cover that's pretty darn rain fast.  Easy peasy.....  It also a good pesticide.  3 coats and hard to control pests like the gray leaf footed stinkbug won't bother your fruit.  http://novasource.com/home/products/surround/ (http://novasource.com/home/products/surround/)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bitterlick on May 07, 2018, 10:57:30 AM
Hello:

I did post a separate thread on this, but can anyone opine on the Oro Negro or the Wurtz avocado trees? We have tried--and loved--the Oro Negro, but our space is limited and we do not have room for a 30ft tree with an enormous canopy. Thus we are considering the Wurtz. How is the flavor of the Wurtz? Can the Oro Negro be pruned and confined to a height of 15ft or so, and a diameter of 10ft?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 07, 2018, 02:37:14 PM
Brad, I appreciate you sharing your pics.  You've got a beautiful hillside landscape in the background there.  Short of the density of healthy flowers showing in your trees, I'd say my trees look similar to yours in terms of old leaf drop and new leaves pushing out.  It looks like you've managed to keep your trees short and stout.  Do you prune, and if so when are you pruning.  I pruned these three trees of mine just before flowering (well the Fuerte had already set the flower buds, but not yet opened them).  I cut back the trees by several feet in height.  I've read pruning a tree will result in a commensurate loss in root mass, but maybe that's not such a bad thing in the containers.  I don't think it's an ideal time to prune just before winter, since we can expect a lot of the growth on the periphery to take the most cold damage.  That's good candidate wood for pruning in late Winter/Early Spring, no?

As for the Jack-Hammer and root barrier idea, I had considered it (and I do have a nice Jack-hammer), but my property rests on a hill of a kind of breccia which is a mixture of lava-flow cement and boulders of various sizes.  They Civil Engineer I purchased it from indicated explosives would be required for any significant "digging down."  I've managed to excavate small holes and trenches here and there, but it's really an intense effort.  The top foot of top-soil/sand, decomposed detritus is where the neighboring fruit trees run amok.  I think it will be very hard to block them out entirely.  Finally, I have some idea of moving and with trees in the mid/late 5-10 year time-frame.  I know it makes little sense to transport mature avocado trees, but I also know that investing too much into a garden paradise will be a mental block for me in moving on.  At any rate, I'd really love to find a way to produce 5, 10, 20 avocados in a pot and keep a tree or two alive indefinitely.  I view it as a kind of challenge.  That's why I embarked on the project described in this thread:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27629.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27629.0)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 07, 2018, 02:40:50 PM
Thanks for the input Jack and Brad. I will probably try and plant the little cado in the ground after I dig a huge hole. The clay soil here sucks. I will probably look for another spot if I find a GEM or something of that nature. I have a few Hass and Fuerte but they are all in pots because they won't be able to survive the clay soil

Don't dig a hole, plant in a raised bed or 16" high mound.  Avocados have a shallow but very wide root system.  They also benefit from a thick mulch.  The fine white roots can be found right under that mulch at ground level.  Here's a shot of a very young but bearing, Don Gilloughy avocado using 2 layers of cinder tree rings.  Grew like a weed.  Native soil was a high pH calcareous black clay gumbo.  Water source was hard with a high TDS too.  Notice the quality of the leaves - no burn.  This was 15 years ago.  I moved and the new owners killed it.

Fruit had a necky profile like a Pinkerton.

That's a lovely tree yo uhad there Mark.  Did it get some protection or shade from an overarching tree?  I have a front-yard that's sparse with just a lawn into which I'm thinking of planting an avocado tree, or two, or three.  Maybe I'll transplant the Fuerte next Spring if I can't get any of my Duke from Oroville grafts to take.  If I do plant out front, I'll definitely setup a raised bed similar to what you have there, but likely without the cemented bricks (that's a skill beyond me).  Too bad they lost the tree.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 07, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
That's a lovely tree yo uhad there Mark.  Did it get some protection or shade from an overarching tree?  I have a front-yard that's sparse with just a lawn into which I'm thinking of planting an avocado tree, or two, or three.  Maybe I'll transplant the Fuerte next Spring if I can't get any of my Duke from Oroville grafts to take.  If I do plant out front, I'll definitely setup a raised bed similar to what you have there, but likely without the cemented bricks (that's a skill beyond me).  Too bad they lost the tree.

Got a little shade from an adjacent tree part of the day.  If memory serves me correct that tree was only about 2 years old there.  Got it by mail about 3' tall.

Same here, concrete skills suck.  First try at mudding.  Ended up running a band around the base.

Check out this expansion I did yesterday to an Oro Negro pot.  It's now 100 gallons!  Oh my broken back.  :-\ Took about 3/4 of a tractor bucket just to backfill the 4" space around the perimeter.  Avocado seedlings on the left, recovering citrus in the back, new rectangular 6' W pitaya bed in the rear left.  Sharwil, Jan Boyce, Pinkerton and GEM scions should arrive within the hour via USPS.  Will top work this Oro Negro, completely change it over.  its' OK fruit.  Not great like Reed.

(https://s7.postimg.cc/kcznkwp7r/Pot.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kcznkwp7r/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 07, 2018, 03:41:47 PM
Brad, I appreciate you sharing your pics.  You've got a beautiful hillside landscape in the background there.  Short of the density of healthy flowers showing in your trees, I'd say my trees look similar to yours in terms of old leaf drop and new leaves pushing out.  It looks like you've managed to keep your trees short and stout.  Do you prune, and if so when are you pruning.  I pruned these three trees of mine just before flowering (well the Fuerte had already set the flower buds, but not yet opened them).  I cut back the trees by several feet in height.  I've read pruning a tree will result in a commensurate loss in root mass, but maybe that's not such a bad thing in the containers.  I don't think it's an ideal time to prune just before winter, since we can expect a lot of the growth on the periphery to take the most cold damage.  That's good candidate wood for pruning in late Winter/Early Spring, no?

As for the Jack-Hammer and root barrier idea, I had considered it (and I do have a nice Jack-hammer), but my property rests on a hill of a kind of breccia which is a mixture of lava-flow cement and boulders of various sizes.  They Civil Engineer I purchased it from indicated explosives would be required for any significant "digging down."  I've managed to excavate small holes and trenches here and there, but it's really an intense effort.  The top foot of top-soil/sand, decomposed detritus is where the neighboring fruit trees run amok.  I think it will be very hard to block them out entirely.  Finally, I have some idea of moving and with trees in the mid/late 5-10 year time-frame.  I know it makes little sense to transport mature avocado trees, but I also know that investing too much into a garden paradise will be a mental block for me in moving on.  At any rate, I'd really love to find a way to produce 5, 10, 20 avocados in a pot and keep a tree or two alive indefinitely.  I view it as a kind of challenge.  That's why I embarked on the project described in this thread:
[url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27629.0[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=27629.0[/url])


Lots of challenges it sounds like.  Bad soil is a bummer.  Where I grew up in stockton it was rich black clay soil.  Doesn't drain well but was super rich soil.  My place down here is all decomposed granite.  Super good for growing stuff.  I can dig a hole and fill with 10 gallons of water and it drains down in 10 minutes.

For trimming, a little haircut anytime of the year is fine.  If you want to do major pruning it might be best in fall if you will be exposing a lot of wood.  Or early summer would be fine if not exposing a lot of wood.  To be honest I just prune whenever it needs it.  You just need to keep in mind the flowers grow on new growth.  So if you cut in early summer, the new growth can form where the cuts are made and can set fruit next spring.  If you cut during fall and winter, those areas won't be able to set fruit.

The tree in the photo is only a couple years old.  I topped it a little to make it wide and not tall.  I prune the trees for the first few years to shape and then let them go.  I have only been here 4 years so nothing I have is very old. 



Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 07, 2018, 03:47:31 PM
That's a lovely tree yo uhad there Mark.  Did it get some protection or shade from an overarching tree?  I have a front-yard that's sparse with just a lawn into which I'm thinking of planting an avocado tree, or two, or three.  Maybe I'll transplant the Fuerte next Spring if I can't get any of my Duke from Oroville grafts to take.  If I do plant out front, I'll definitely setup a raised bed similar to what you have there, but likely without the cemented bricks (that's a skill beyond me).  Too bad they lost the tree.

Got a little shade from an adjacent tree part of the day.  If memory serves me correct that tree was only about 2 years old there.  Got it by mail about 3' tall.

Same here, concrete skills suck.  First try at mudding.  Ended up running a band around the base.

Check out this expansion I did yesterday to an Oro Negro pot.  It's now 100 gallons!  Oh my broken back.  :-\ Took about 3/4 of a tractor bucket just to backfill the 4" space around the perimeter.  Avocado seedlings on the left, recovering citrus in the back, new rectangular 6' W pitaya bed in the rear left.  Sharwil, Jan Boyce, Pinkerton and GEM scions should arrive within the hour via USPS.  Will top work this Oro Negro, completely change it over.  its' OK fruit.  Not great like Reed.

(https://s7.postimg.cc/kcznkwp7r/Pot.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kcznkwp7r/)
That's some large container you've got there.  I can see you've expanded it at least once before (tie-wraps).  I like the rectangular expandable setup you show in the back left-hand of the pic.  If you don't mind, please document your top-working process with some pics, before/after, and a visual progression of their healing process over the coming months.  I'd love to see how you work those water-sprouts.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 07, 2018, 06:31:25 PM
If you don't mind, please document your top-working process with some pics, before/after, and a visual progression of their healing process over the coming months.  I'd love to see how you work those water-sprouts.

Thanks!

Don't mind a bit, kicker is the scions received today are a poor match girth wise for the shoots so they're probably going on 6 seedlings I have in pots, unless I do side veneer grafting.  Will see.......

Have grafted to 7 shoots from a Mallika and all those Zill varieties took and grew like crazy.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 08, 2018, 12:06:29 AM
If you don't mind, please document your top-working process with some pics, before/after, and a visual progression of their healing process over the coming months.  I'd love to see how you work those water-sprouts.

Thanks!

Don't mind a bit, kicker is the scions received today are a poor match girth wise for the shoots so they're probably going on 6 seedlings I have in pots, unless I do side veneer grafting.  Will see.......

Have grafted to 7 shoots from a Mallika and all those Zill varieties took and grew like crazy.
Did you grow the six potted seedlings yourself off of used avocado seeds, and if so what variety?  How long did they take from start to what you have now?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 08, 2018, 08:58:02 AM
Did you grow the six potted seedlings yourself off of used avocado seeds, and if so what variety?  How long did they take from start to what you have now?
Thanks.

Yeah, harvested from fruit that froze during our Jan. freeze.  Seedlings of Reed, Oro Negro, Sir Prize.  I dumped about 200 immature fruit. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 14, 2018, 12:01:09 AM
I was visiting my wife's aunt's house for a Mother's day get together in the midtown area of Sacramento, CA.  I walked into the backyard and encountered a beautiful, wildly trained Avocado tree loaded with small fruitlets.  She said it's been there for many years, and that she's never harvested fruit from it.  It's not regularly watered, though it seems to be fine, and it is never given fertilizer.  This just goes to show that a well established, healthy tree can overcome cold temps, as I know this spot was freezing for a week over the past Winter.  It looks like a Hass to me, but I don't really know.
(https://s9.postimg.cc/vdla8p8x7/20180513_180116.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vdla8p8x7/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/zb8jxj3a3/20180513_180126.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/zb8jxj3a3/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 14, 2018, 04:02:50 PM
It was below 32 Degree's for 1 week in Sacramento area this winter?
There's large mature Citrus around Sac so I planted a White Sapote 15 Gallon last Fall east of downtown and It's looking good.
Slight micro climate changes and indicators in different neighborhoods.. Seen any Citrus in Roseville yet?

I was visiting my wife's aunt's house for a Mother's day get together in the midtown area of Sacramento, CA.  I walked into the backyard and encountered a beautiful, wildly trained Avocado tree loaded with small fruitlets.  She said it's been there for many years, and that she's never harvested fruit from it.  It's not regularly watered, though it seems to be fine, and it is never given fertilizer.  This just goes to show that a well established, healthy tree can overcome cold temps, as I know this spot was freezing for a week over the past Winter.  It looks like a Hass to me, but I don't really know.
(https://s9.postimg.cc/vdla8p8x7/20180513_180116.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/vdla8p8x7/)

(https://s9.postimg.cc/zb8jxj3a3/20180513_180126.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/zb8jxj3a3/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 14, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
Right up the hill in Newcastle, they have hills upon beautiful hills of citrus farms, mainly planted to Satsuma Mandarins.  Citrus does quite well here, except for the occasional freeze, where some varieties require protection.  I ran C9 Christmas lights over my potted citrus, and I only saw some slight die-back on the young new shoots that were pushing out from a Late Fall pruning.  At my place, I measured down to 18F on one night, and we had at least 5 days below 32F.  I assume it hit Sacramento similarly, though the rivers there have a way of buffering the temps somewhat.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on May 14, 2018, 04:55:14 PM
I live just north of sacramento and grew up in the auburn/lincoln area. Tons of citrus! seems to do just fine out here with some love when they're young.
I live now in suburbia, feather river to the east, houses to north and west and sierra gold nursery / orchards to my south. stone fruits and nuts are the most common but theres very large citrus here doing great, as well!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on May 14, 2018, 05:18:43 PM
Yesterday, walking through Capitol park in central Sacramento, I came across a gigantic, stately Orange tree loaded with Oranges (at least those out of reach).  It had a placard that read "Largest North America (or was it US) Valencia Orange."  The trees in Capitol park, including citrus, are very impressive to see (if you've got your tree eyes open).
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 28, 2018, 12:44:24 PM
Mark heres some photos of the tree flushes and fruit set so I don't derail the jamie rose thread.  Took these photos today.

stewart flush
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/890/40603416590_8599ee7634_b.jpg)

stewart new fruit
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/878/42361365302_efacd040b7_b.jpg)

stewart
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/881/27540788467_703f810c22_b.jpg)


mexicola flush
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1751/41508827905_df281c0319_b.jpg)


reed flush
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1757/42361374372_10278bfe22_b.jpg)



New gwen tree.  I saw another thread where someone said to shade avocado trees until they are 5ft tall.  This is unnecessary.  They need full sun to grow and gain vigor.  Even here in the hottest area of san diego they can take full sun as babies.  This seed was planted in January and grafted a couple months ago.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1751/40603435570_c894011ce4_b.jpg)


Jan Boyce new tree, same thing, no need to baby them.  They need lots of sunshine to grow.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1724/42361382262_280f2babe0_b.jpg)


Bacon Flush and tree
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1741/40604195980_21d3a69bc0_b.jpg)

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This is 2 separate Kahaluu grafts.  The top is from Hawaii, the bottom from someone in CA.  Not sure if one is fake or what.  The bottom one looks like a zutano flush, maybe they gave me rootstock instead of good wood?
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1758/41509700275_d736483d8d_b.jpg)


Holiday
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1748/41689064124_313b211450_b.jpg)



Ardith baby
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Nabal baby
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Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ricshaw on May 28, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
Mark heres some photos of the tree flushes and fruit set so I don't derail the jamie rose thread.  Took these photos today.

THANKS!  Great photos!!  Looks like you need a Jamie Rose tree to test.  ::)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on May 28, 2018, 01:49:21 PM
Your trees look very healthy, thanks for posting them Brad!  my avocado young leaves look decent now, but usually by mid Summer or so, browning starts  near the outer edges of the leaves. I think my city water is too hard for avocados, but seems ok for other trees...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 28, 2018, 03:17:09 PM
Mark heres some photos of the tree flushes and fruit set so I don't derail the jamie rose thread.  Took these photos today.

THANKS!  Great photos!!  Looks like you need a Jamie Rose tree to test.  ::)

I will grow it.  From your pics both the fruit and leaves look pretty hass like.  Maybe its a hass seedling or already named hass type. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: socal10b on May 28, 2018, 03:30:44 PM
Very nice collection of avocado trees, everything looks super healthy good job Brad. 👍
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ricshaw on May 28, 2018, 08:27:02 PM
Mark heres some photos of the tree flushes and fruit set so I don't derail the jamie rose thread.  Took these photos today.

THANKS!  Great photos!!  Looks like you need a Jamie Rose tree to test.  ::)

I will grow it.  From your pics both the fruit and leaves look pretty hass like.  Maybe its a hass seedling or already named hass type.

I wished I had picked up another tree for trade.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on May 28, 2018, 08:52:23 PM
Hi Brad, on your last photo, is that the adjustable 90 degree sprinkle head you mentioned previously? If so, could you do a close up photo on it or if you would post the link? Thanks Brad, still looking for a better way to irrigate my trees and roses too...😀
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 28, 2018, 11:33:59 PM
Yeah the 90 degree quarter circle sprinkler head is adjustable and you can use these two threaded elbow pieces to wobble the head any way you want it.  You can put a third one on there to get really creative with the spray pattern.  2 seems good enough though.

Member Shaneatwell turned me onto the 90 degree black elbows.  You can use those to wobble any sprinkler head.  For avocados I like it.  Especially since the ground is not flat here. 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1738/42372085072_12aa708c52_b.jpg)

I have 2 different heads I use.  For avocado its the quarter circle sprayers, for everything else its an adjustable 8 stream micro sprinkler.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1752/41699597974_de5d02f660_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on May 29, 2018, 04:23:17 AM
I really love your trees Brad!  :)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 29, 2018, 07:51:39 AM
Yep, just incredible.  Thanks for sharing.  Your gardening skills aside, you must have some really nice soil.  What you showed a while back looked great.

Regarding shading young avocado trees I have a Californian farm ag instruction sheet, Leaflet 2904, Sept. 1983, on growing avocados in the hot Joaquin valley.  They insist that the trees should be shaded for a year.  Really depends on your location and climate I think.  I planted a young Joey tree here in Texas and didn't shade it. It did fine.  So, hoo nose?  If one chooses to shade/paint then there's no easier solution than to spray them with Surround, a kaolin clay.

Here's a field shot from that publication showing newly planted trees wrapped in burlap:

(https://s15.postimg.cc/hi1uybwbr/Avocado_Orchard.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hi1uybwbr/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 29, 2018, 08:14:27 AM
Mark heres some photos of the tree flushes and fruit set so I don't derail the jamie rose thread.  Took these photos today.

stewart flush
([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/890/40603416590_8599ee7634_b.jpg[/url])
mexicola flush

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Appreciate these pix but now I'm totally confused!  I've been going by the attached chart in lieu of not having personal experience with Mexicola and Stewart.  This is from THE go-to book on avocados, Avocado: Botany, Production and Uses  http://ucavo.ucr.edu/General/WhileyBook.html (http://ucavo.ucr.edu/General/WhileyBook.html)    What I noticed is your new Mexicola leaf flush has no red, Stewart does.  I may have kicked an ant bed in our Facebook fruit growing group for nothing.   :-\  I remember my Joey having no red tint to the leaf flush though.  Innocent, ignorant mistake on my part, crap! 

(https://s15.postimg.cc/d19hz82jr/Avocado_Characteristics.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/d19hz82jr/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 29, 2018, 11:08:09 AM
Yep, just incredible.  Thanks for sharing.  Your gardening skills aside, you must have some really nice soil.  What you showed a while back looked great.

Regarding shading young avocado trees I have a Californian farm ag instruction sheet, Leaflet 2904, Sept. 1983, on growing avocados in the hot Joaquin valley.  They insist that the trees should be shaded for a year.  Really depends on your location and climate I think.  I planted a young Joey tree here in Texas and didn't shade it. It did fine.  So, hoo nose?  If one chooses to shade/paint then there's no easier solution than to spray them with Surround, a kaolin clay.

Here's a field shot from that publication showing newly planted trees wrapped in burlap:

(https://s15.postimg.cc/hi1uybwbr/Avocado_Orchard.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hi1uybwbr/)

I don't know, if you plant them when its not 100 out they should have enough time to flush and shade themselves from the sun on the bark.  paint works also.  I grew up in the san juaquin valley, its every bit as hot where I live not if now hotter.  Accumulated heat units per year are much higher here.  Central valley is not known for growing avocados either.   There are very few if any groves up that way.  Heres a breakdown of where they are grown in CA

(https://www.californiaavocadogrowers.com/sites/default/files/2016-17-UpdatePiebyArea.png)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on May 29, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
Brad, thanks for that photos on your sprinkler head set up; yes,
I can see, with tandem 90 degree angle treaded pieces the head can be aimed to just about every directions. Glad that you found this system works fine on your avocado trees growing on your slope without run offs...

By the way, between you and Mark, I notice both of you have lots of resources in your possession, just to show how serious you guys are in this avocado growing endeavor, so thanks to both of you for sharing those to us, the little avocado home growers... ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 29, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
Yep, just incredible.  Thanks for sharing.  Your gardening skills aside, you must have some really nice soil.  What you showed a while back looked great.

Regarding shading young avocado trees I have a Californian farm ag instruction sheet, Leaflet 2904, Sept. 1983, on growing avocados in the hot Joaquin valley.  They insist that the trees should be shaded for a year.  Really depends on your location and climate I think.  I planted a young Joey tree here in Texas and didn't shade it. It did fine.  So, hoo nose?  If one chooses to shade/paint then there's no easier solution than to spray them with Surround, a kaolin clay.

Here's a field shot from that publication showing newly planted trees wrapped in burlap:

(https://s15.postimg.cc/hi1uybwbr/Avocado_Orchard.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hi1uybwbr/)

Soil is good, its void of organic matter and nutrion though.  Its just very heavy rocky sandy soil.  Good for anchoring in a tree and good at draining.  It needs mulch and fertilizer to really grow things.  When I say heavy I mean it literally weighs a lot.  You fill a five gallon pot with it and it feels like a bucket of lead.

Funny story this article reminded me of.  Where I grew up in san juaquin county we had a small lake in our yard.  Around 1985 or 1986 we had a really cold winter and the lake froze over hard.  Probably and inch of ice on it.  I would not be surprised if those avocados in that picture died off from that winter. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 29, 2018, 12:52:05 PM
Yep, those avocados are gonners. 

Interesting that the "north" has more groves than the south.

Glad to share the info Samu.  20 years ago I was considering getting into the avocado biz commercially.  I have accumulated a file that would choke a horse.  Have 20 collectors books on grapes and winemaking too, like T.V. Munson's book.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 29, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Brad, thanks for that photos on your sprinkler head set up; yes,
I can see, with tandem 90 degree angle treaded pieces the head can be aimed to just about every directions. Glad that you found this system works fine on your avocado trees growing on your slope without run offs...

By the way, between you and Mark, I notice both of you have lots of resources in your possession, just to show how serious you guys are in this avocado growing endeavor, so thanks to both of you for sharing those to us, the little avocado home growers... ;)

You are welcome.  I didnt get down to the avocados to take a photo but snapped one of the stone fruit micro sprinkler.  These I use on every tree except avocado.  They would probably work well on them too.  You can swap them out for the little spinning sprinklers also.  My problem with the spinners is they throw really far and dont flow enough water when adjusted to a smaller circle.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1733/28562290528_52cde0d287_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 29, 2018, 02:33:30 PM
Yep, those avocados are gonners. 

Interesting that the "north" has more groves than the south.

Glad to share the info Samu.  20 years ago I was considering getting into the avocado biz commercially.  I have accumulated a file that would choke a horse.  Have 20 collectors books on grapes and winemaking too, like T.V. Munson's book.

Yeah I didnt get the north vs south thing either.  Its all in the southern half of the state.  My place is about where the "n" is in san diego.

Avocado production has until recently been highest in SD county.  With the droughts lots of acres have been stumped out.  Water prices are higher in SD than ventura so they are now the biggest producers in the US.  Luckily I don't have to deal with that problem. 

(https://www.californiaavocadogrowers.com/sites/default/files/GC2016_DistrictMapv3_0.png)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ricshaw on May 29, 2018, 02:49:42 PM
Yep, those avocados are gonners. 

Interesting that the "north" has more groves than the south.

Glad to share the info Samu.  20 years ago I was considering getting into the avocado biz commercially.  I have accumulated a file that would choke a horse.  Have 20 collectors books on grapes and winemaking too, like T.V. Munson's book.

Maybe North San Diego County vs. South San Diego County.  ???

UPDATE: It is Northern Districts vs. Southern Districts.  My guess Districts 1 & 2 are South.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 29, 2018, 03:17:58 PM
There is 50-100 year old Avocado tree's all over Santa Cruz and 1 commercial farm I know of, I mention for fact only not recommendation , " Abounding Harvest"  ::)

Huge MacNuts in SC too, but not surprised we are not represented on the Map. I think that map is 1/2 truth accurate on the most general of scales.

 California Avocado demission seems like a glorified Guacamole lobbyist group.

Cost of land where they grow well often makes a new investment into the Avocado Orchard game not that smart, unless your banking on long term, and then one good freeze and your screwed.

I've been solely managing a 10 year old Avocado and Citrus Orchard here on about 1 acre. Growing well except idiot landowners keep cutting off the water at all the wrong times and now they sliced up my irrigation lines to install a new 2" main to feed their stupid 5 acres of grapes they just put in. California does not need 1 more stupid grape vine planted anywhere! You see them everywhere in CA spreading like a legal pot growing cash cow.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: barath on May 29, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
There is 50-100 year old Avocado tree's all over Santa Cruz and 1 commercial farm I know of, I mention for fact only not recommendation , " Abounding Harvest"  ::)

Huge MacNuts in SC too, but not surprised we are not represented on the Map. I think that map is 1/2 truth accurate on the most general of scales.

 California Avocado demission seems like a glorified Guacamole lobbyist group.

Cost of land where they grow well often makes a new investment into the Avocado Orchard game not that smart, unless your banking on long term, and then one good freeze and your screwed.

I've been solely managing a 10 year old Avocado and Citrus Orchard here on about 1 acre. Growing well except idiot landowners keep cutting off the water at all the wrong times and now they sliced up my irrigation lines to install a new 2" main to feed their stupid 5 acres of grapes they just put in. California does not need 1 more stupid grape vine planted anywhere! You see them everywhere in CA spreading like a legal pot growing cash cow.

Interesting about the orchard there.  I'm surprised irrigation is needed in Santa Cruz for a 10 year old orchard -- you get a seemingly-perfect amount of rain for avocados to live off of once established.

Brokaw has a big orchard in the Soledad area (and I assume they're not the only ones) that is also not reflected in the chart...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on May 29, 2018, 03:38:32 PM
Hi Brad

Have you had any issues with mulch being against the bark? Looks like your trees are doing really well so I assume no problems, but Iíve heard from others time and again to give some clearance to the main trunk.


K
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 29, 2018, 04:07:05 PM

Avocado tree's really like water in my experience. Especially during fruit set and formation. I watered all last year and have been eating and giving away Avo's since January.
NO irrigation yet this year and they are starting to look droopy and sad on the new growth, as fruit set set's in.
This Orchard has 6- 10 foot deep loam .
Drought was not kind to established groves in SD county.
I don't believe in not watering mature Avocado tree's with they way we know the root systems grow.
The Bonny Doon and other mature tree's in Santa Cruz are planted on Clay where I hit standing water at 18" during peak drought so the water table and subsurface water matter. This is my theory on why you see mature tree's in the Bay with loads of fruit and no irrigation. The water table is high enough that they can get away with it. Like the Greenway should be.


There is 50-100 year old Avocado tree's all over Santa Cruz and 1 commercial farm I know of, I mention for fact only not recommendation , " Abounding Harvest"  ::)

Huge MacNuts in SC too, but not surprised we are not represented on the Map. I think that map is 1/2 truth accurate on the most general of scales.

 California Avocado demission seems like a glorified Guacamole lobbyist group.

Cost of land where they grow well often makes a new investment into the Avocado Orchard game not that smart, unless your banking on long term, and then one good freeze and your screwed.

I've been solely managing a 10 year old Avocado and Citrus Orchard here on about 1 acre. Growing well except idiot landowners keep cutting off the water at all the wrong times and now they sliced up my irrigation lines to install a new 2" main to feed their stupid 5 acres of grapes they just put in. California does not need 1 more stupid grape vine planted anywhere! You see them everywhere in CA spreading like a legal pot growing cash cow.

Interesting about the orchard there.  I'm surprised irrigation is needed in Santa Cruz for a 10 year old orchard -- you get seemingly-perfect amount of rain for avocados to live off of once established.

Brokaw has a big orchard in the Soledad area (and I assume they're not the only ones) that is also not reflected in the chart...
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 29, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
I dont know Jonah, I dont think the avocado commission meant to leave you off the map intentionally.

Khalid, theres not much mulch against my trees.  Less than 1 inch.  I dont pile it up around the trunks.  Its easy enough to just not put it right on the trunks.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 29, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
Khalid, theres not much mulch against my trees.  Less than 1 inch.  I dont pile it up around the trunks.  Its easy enough to just not put it right on the trunks.

Curious, you guys that mulch avocados, which is a requirement for avocado especially, do you see fine white feeder roots just below the mulch?   I do.   

Spaugh, what photo service do you use?  It's really nice compared to the forum's choice.

Speaking of big stick wielding giants, when I spoke to CALAVO many years ago, asking questions and revealing my tentative commercial intent, I got hold of some yahoo on the phone that said something to the effect, "you can't do that!"  It was like I was breaking some holy law regarding who can and who can not grow their precious fruit.

Years ago, the big boyz California lobbying efforts to keep Hawaiian grown Sharwil out of the States using a trumped up ruse that the fruit was infested with a deadly beetle was a hoot.   ;D

Years ago I talked to a big avocado commercial grower and shipper who said he was getting out.  He was fed up with the heavy handed California govt. bullshit.  Texas is getting a big influx of you guys because of it.  Around me which is peach, wine, and grape country....we're getting a lot of former Californian vineyard managers/owners.   One of my buddies hired a microbiologist who moved here from Ravenwoods winery, Sonoma. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 29, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
Hey mark, white roots, yes.  They better be or the tree is unhappy.  Photo site is flickr.com it costs 30 or 40 a year.  Had it forever and am stuck with it now.  Works good but there may be others that are free.  We put all our photos on it.  Makes sharing easy.

CA laws and bullshit, yes lots of it.  Key is to live outside of the normal areas.  Where anything goes and no one is paying attention.  Never had anyone bug me about anything out here.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ricshaw on May 29, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
Can you expect the California Avocado Commission (https://www.californiaavocadogrowers.com (https://www.californiaavocadogrowers.com)), a group for profit, to care about other non-member Avocado growers?


(https://s15.postimg.cc/qhy6tpbif/Calif_Avocado_Sales.png) (https://postimg.cc/image/qhy6tpbif/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ricshaw on May 29, 2018, 07:09:41 PM
There is 50-100 year old Avocado tree's all over Santa Cruz and 1 commercial farm I know of, I mention for fact only not recommendation , " Abounding Harvest"  ::)
Huge MacNuts in SC too, but not surprised we are not represented on the Map. I think that map is 1/2 truth accurate on the most general of scales.
California Avocado demission seems like a glorified Guacamole lobbyist group.
Cost of land where they grow well often makes a new investment into the Avocado Orchard game not that smart, unless your banking on long term, and then one good freeze and your screwed.
I've been solely managing a 10 year old Avocado and Citrus Orchard here on about 1 acre. Growing well except idiot landowners keep cutting off the water at all the wrong times and now they sliced up my irrigation lines to install a new 2" main to feed their stupid 5 acres of grapes they just put in. California does not need 1 more stupid grape vine planted anywhere! You see them everywhere in CA spreading like a legal pot growing cash cow.

See Map on this link: https://www.californiaavocado.com/the-california-difference/our-growers (https://www.californiaavocado.com/the-california-difference/our-growers)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on May 29, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Hehehehehe . I'm not complaining.  8)
Like your saying " Out of sight , out of mind" .
I don't want to meet or see  any Avocado delusioner's. ;)


I dont know Jonah, I dont think the avocado commission meant to leave you off the map intentionally.

Khalid, theres not much mulch against my trees.  Less than 1 inch.  I dont pile it up around the trunks.  Its easy enough to just not put it right on the trunks.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 30, 2018, 12:26:58 PM
I'll have a talk with the commision and have them rectify the situation.

I went to look at my trees this morning and my reed tree is dropping fruit.  Sucks, I should have thinned them down a bit the trees are too young to hold so many fruits.   One tree still has a bunch on it but dropping them.  Every year the fruit stick a little longer.    Wish they would stay on another couple months, the oil is just OK at this point.  The hass are really nice.  And I picked the last sir prize, that should be great.  My neighbors think the reeds are good at least. 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1736/41733097334_e95ceeaa0d_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1727/41553868895_cab16892f2_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: edzone9 on May 30, 2018, 12:35:29 PM
Dang they look Yummy!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 30, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
Too bad theres no brix meter for avocado oil.  These reeds are good but they are not really perfectly ripe yet.  I may cull half of the remaining ones in hopes the rest will hang another couple months.  Should have done it 10 months ago.  Defintwly will be thinning trees this year around August.

My neighbor has a cold smoker bbq he smokes meat and cheese with.  He said he is going to try and smoke some of my avocado for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 30, 2018, 02:39:41 PM
Hey mark, white roots, yes.  They better be or the tree is unhappy.  Photo site is flickr.com it costs 30 or 40 a year.  Had it forever and am stuck with it now.  Works good but there may be others that are free.  We put all our photos on it.  Makes sharing easy.

CA laws and bullshit, yes lots of it.  Key is to live outside of the normal areas.  Where anything goes and no one is paying attention.  Never had anyone bug me about anything out here.

1. Thanks

2.  Sounds like a winner.  City peeps like you and me don't have it so good.  I have so much freedom it's ridiculous, resources too.  My 1 HP well pump costs pennies per day to run.  If I want to run it full bore on my lawn or field I can.  Will say this again, there's nothing as fine as a Grundfos Constant Water Pressure system, #301.  Get rid of all the crap that comes with the tank and such and go with a Grundfos come time to change it out.  With the touch of a button I can zoom from 40 PSI to 100 PSI.  On board diagnostics, variable motor like your drill.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 30, 2018, 02:41:58 PM
Like your saying " Out of sight , out of mind" .

"It's much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission."
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 30, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
Too bad theres no brix meter for avocado oil.

Carlos to the rescue.  https://www.myavocadotrees.com/dry-weight-measurement-in-florida-avocados.html (https://www.myavocadotrees.com/dry-weight-measurement-in-florida-avocados.html)

re: the cut Reeds.  You really know how to hurt a guy.   :D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on May 30, 2018, 07:55:29 PM
My neighbor smoked half a reed today, it was actually really good.  Wasnt sure what to expect.  Next we are going to salt it and quarter it and use avocado oil on it and smoke longer then top with mozzerella cheese and tomato.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1757/41740068444_2dde784538_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 31, 2018, 08:21:14 AM
Never tried avocado on the grill.  Have done lemon halves and thick slices of fresh pineapple which are delish.

One of these days am gonna try avocado pickles.  Simple enough.  https://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/recipes/a54123/avocado-pickles-recipe/ (https://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/recipes/a54123/avocado-pickles-recipe/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 04, 2018, 01:01:41 PM
Planted 6 more avocados and 2 cherimoya/atemoya crosses this weekend. Im really trying to push the limits on how fast I can plant a seed in a 2 gallon pot, graft it, then let it push a little and plant out in the grove in full sun.  Planted 2 x jan boyce, mex grande, carmen hass, daily, green gold.  The mex grande and carmens were grown from seed 4 or 5 months ago and grafted a couple months ago.  So around 5 months from seed in pot to grafted tree in orchard.  My biggest concern is that an animal will eat them.  Because they were not heavily rootbound, I expect these to grow significantly in the next 2 to 3 months.  The holes were dug the size of the pots, plant dropped in, back filled with native soil.   They got a top dressing of compost then a top dressing of mulch and thats it.  In a month they will get a very small dose of avocado/citrus food.

Mex grande
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1726/41661336125_0bffaceeef_b.jpg)


Carmen
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1730/40754525140_9b078fe66e_b.jpg)


(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1735/40754520810_05d0177e61_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 04, 2018, 01:22:33 PM
I even got my wife to mulch the new trees :-* ;D

Trust me this is hard work here going up and down the hills.  My wife is a real champ, she comes and does mulches for exercise occasionally.  I got to take a break and hold the baby while mom knocked out some mulching...

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1735/42563194881_90686ea705_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1758/40755132890_cb682083ba_b.jpg)


(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1738/41662052635_32384791c4_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on June 04, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
So happy for you to ser this, Brad!
When the family helps -especially the spouse- things are
a whole lot easier around the house...  :D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on June 05, 2018, 05:14:59 PM
Your trees look fantastic!
My Holiday seems to be suffering from root rot :( The wife got a little water happy...
Hass and lamb-hass are doing great, as was the holiday before It turned all brown and the top withered up. Looks like it may be a goner.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 05, 2018, 08:50:40 PM
Kris, that's too bad about the Holiday.  Sounds like yours is shriveling back like my own two from Green Acres.  You know something is wrong when you are getting 90-110F degree days and still you haven't been able to water your Avocado plant for 2-3 weeks because its soil is still "wet."

Brad, your pics above are lovely.  I can't help bus feel envious as too how unmolested that foliage looks.  I'd say 4 out of 5 of the new flush from my avocado trees are riddled with holes from some leaf eating critters.  1 in 5 is eaten to total evanescence - just a frame of a leaf left.  I'm organic mostly, so the sprays I'm using must not matter to these leaf hoppers. (I presume that's what's munching down on them.)  Sorry to hear about the overload of fruit leading to premature drop, though you have to admit that has got to be a "1st world problem."

Keep the pics flowing - they're encouraging through the eyes.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 05, 2018, 09:09:43 PM
Kris, that's too bad about the Holiday.  Sounds like yours is shriveling back like my own two from Green Acres.  You know something is wrong when you are getting 90-110F degree days and still you haven't been able to water your Avocado plant for 2-3 weeks because its soil is still "wet."

Brad, your pics above are lovely.  I can't help bus feel envious as too how unmolested that foliage looks.  I'd say 4 out of 5 of the new flush from my avocado trees are riddled with holes from some leaf eating critters.  1 in 5 is eaten to total evanescence - just a frame of a leaf left.  I'm organic mostly, so the sprays I'm using must not matter to these leaf hoppers. (I presume that's what's munching down on them.)  Sorry to hear about the overload of fruit leading to premature drop, though you have to admit that has got to be a "1st world problem."

Keep the pics flowing - they're encouraging through the eyes.

According to this website neem oil will work for leafhoppers if you do soil drenches. I use neem spray on my small trees for aphids.  If I had your problem I would try neem soil drench.

https://www.discoverneem.com/neem-oil-insecticide.html (https://www.discoverneem.com/neem-oil-insecticide.html)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 05, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
Kris, that's too bad about the Holiday.  Sounds like yours is shriveling back like my own two from Green Acres.  You know something is wrong when you are getting 90-110F degree days and still you haven't been able to water your Avocado plant for 2-3 weeks because its soil is still "wet."

Brad, your pics above are lovely.  I can't help bus feel envious as too how unmolested that foliage looks.  I'd say 4 out of 5 of the new flush from my avocado trees are riddled with holes from some leaf eating critters.  1 in 5 is eaten to total evanescence - just a frame of a leaf left.  I'm organic mostly, so the sprays I'm using must not matter to these leaf hoppers. (I presume that's what's munching down on them.)  Sorry to hear about the overload of fruit leading to premature drop, though you have to admit that has got to be a "1st world problem."

Keep the pics flowing - they're encouraging through the eyes.

According to this website neem oil will work for leafhoppers if you do soil drenches. I use neem spray on my small trees for aphids.  If I had your problem I would try neem soil drench.

https://www.discoverneem.com/neem-oil-insecticide.html (https://www.discoverneem.com/neem-oil-insecticide.html)
Neem as a foliar spray regular organic regiment, but I haven't tried soil drenching much with it.  I have tried neem cake/meal, which seemed to work well on the garden in the past, but it's costly and tedious to keep up as a kind of mulch.  If one treated all the tree pots with a neem drench, I'd think it might work for the plants there, but those hopping/flying leaf-hoppers would just come from the field a few feet down.  As I walk through grass or just in the surroundings, I see 100's of these things scatter in my wake.  I think I might just have to learn to live with them.  I do enjoy turning the porch light on in the early night and zapping them with my handheld bug zapper from Walmart.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 05, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Of the three older containerized trees I mentioned earlier in the thread, the Fuerte and I believe Mexicola have set and held (to date) two each about thumbnail-sized fruit.  The Fuerte had probably 100 fruit earlier in the year, but they all dropped, as they did last year.  Besides the two larger sized fruit on the Fuerte, it has about five much smaller fruit hanging on, but I suspect they're just late to drop.  The Bacon didn't set any fruit sadly.  Here are some pics.

Fuerte:
(https://s22.postimg.cc/qtg41vf31/20180605_182326.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/qtg41vf31/)

(https://s22.postimg.cc/4hib8i34d/20180605_182603.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4hib8i34d/)

(https://s22.postimg.cc/a5olzemwd/20180605_183059.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a5olzemwd/)

Mexicola (or perhaps I have it mixed up with Bacon):

(https://s22.postimg.cc/jg0q2g56l/20180605_182514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jg0q2g56l/)

(https://s22.postimg.cc/kv2ar6lp9/20180605_183149.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kv2ar6lp9/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 05, 2018, 11:34:10 PM
You can get 5000 ladybugs for 10$ at a decent nursery.  They would probably put a huge dent in the leaf hopper population in no time.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on June 06, 2018, 01:04:40 AM
My gardens getting chewed up too. Birds, bugs, some thing eating my pepper plant tops. The whole shebang. Neem and peppermint oil aren't cutting it. :(
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 06, 2018, 11:17:18 AM
Sorry to hear that Kris.  They have destroyed my small eggplant, damaged the peppers, but they leave the tomatoes alone.  I've not had this much of an issue on the eggplant in the past.  Here's a pic of about half of my tomato plants.  They were slow to start this year, but the cooler early Spring helped with fruit set and growth.  Thrips are usually the main pest for the tomatoes (they destroy flowers); and, of course, the various races of F and V in this area.  For aphids, I've had good results with sequential applications of a Neem-related(azadirachtin) product, AzaMax.  It's slow to work, but once it kicks in they don't recover for a couple months.  I find the soaps and oils tend to damage the leaf foliage of annuals.  I hope your garden pulls through.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/yh3xmngot/20180605_183727.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yh3xmngot/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on June 06, 2018, 02:12:05 PM
Have you had any success rejuvenating your avocados?
I'm contemplating removing my holiday from its pot and letting the root ball dry out a bit. I've read that this has had some success in the past for people.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 06, 2018, 03:04:04 PM
Kris- the jury is still out on the the outcome of my rejuvenation efforts.  First (2 weeks or so back), I actually "re-potted" all seven of my RootBuilderII [expandable container] housed avocado trees.  I amended the peat/cocohull heavy soil/grow-medium with Decomposed Granite.  While doing this, I kind of ripped up the roots, which were showing a lot of rot.  I assume that process wasn't easy on the plants.  This past weekend, I tried the Hydrogen Peroxide "drench" that LaidBackDood suggested.  Next time I pull one of these plants, it's to toss it in the garbage.  I'd like to know if your exposing the roots to air helps.  Seems like it would cause the outer roots to die back, but maybe that's a salve for the impending rot.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 06, 2018, 04:45:23 PM
These avocados that are struggling for you guys, are they getting 8+ hrs of sun?  Are they in full sun or shade cloth or?  Best way to get an avocado to grow is lots of sun.  A full days worth is important.  I wouldnt use any shading or shade cloth either unless its triple digit temps there.  Digging them up and messing with the rootball is not going to help.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on June 06, 2018, 06:07:55 PM
I'm 100% sure My holiday was over watered. It was doing fantastic until my wife started watering in the mornings as we hit 100 degree temps.
Hass, and lamb-hass are still doing good and I will be keeping a closer eye on the watering they receive. I'm going to drill some more holes in to my pot for the Holiday when I'm off work tonight, I believe the holes may be a bit inadequate as I am growing some raspberries in an identical pot (Though smaller) that is retaining a lot of water too.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Dylan SB on June 10, 2018, 12:11:09 AM
Here are some Avocados that I harvested today.  From Left to right Hass, Reed Seedling, Wurtz aka Little Cado.  I have already picked a couple of 1+ pound Reed Seedling Avocados and they have a nice creamy flavor and are easy to peel.  The seed is rather large but there is a decent amount of flesh on a large fruit. Now I will need to do a taste test along with a Reed to see how they compare.  It has only taken about 10 years from planting to harvest but the tree has at least 150 fruit on it most in the 12-14 ounce size.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/g1e5v2gxn/Harvested_Today.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/g1e5v2gxn/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/i5yiw835n/Reed_Seedling.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i5yiw835n/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 10, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
Nice score Dylan.

How about 5 "rare" Reed avocados shipped to your door in a gift box?  Cost plus shipping ONLY $76.   ;D

http://www.californiaavocadosdirect.com/products/product.aspx?pid=1-48 (http://www.californiaavocadosdirect.com/products/product.aspx?pid=1-48)

Are people really that hard up?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 10, 2018, 10:27:17 AM
I'm doing it wrong.  My wife has been selling them at work for 2$ a piece.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 10, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
I just purchased two Reed from the local Whole Foods market - $3.50 each.  I've probably had Reed in the past, but I hadn't in recent years.  The avocados seemed hard, so I left them out for a day.  The first I tried had the consistency of warm margarine from the Diner plate (the one under a glass dome at room temp).  There were also small bits of something like course sand near the peel.  Overall, I really didn't enjoy the avocado, nor my wife.  I'll try the 2nd to see if it's the same.  The consistency of the avocado was very mushy and a bit too watery.  I hope these two examples are just a case of premature harvesting, since I hope to grow a Reed someday.  BTW, these were marked as Del Rey producer.

I saved the seed.  Would it work well as a rootstock, or should I wait for a Bacon or Zutano?  Anyone else purchased store-bought Reed fruit that was substandard?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 10, 2018, 04:55:06 PM
I got them at the local farmers market in the past and they  are excellent.  Havent seen them at the grocery.  The skin is thicker than most avocados so as soon as it gives its ready.  The grit is from the peel.  If you just dont scrape it it wont come off.  They are a bit early to be selling at the stores unless they want to put people off and not have them buy more.  If you want me to send you some good ones in a month I will.  Can probably fit half a dozen in a medium flat rate box.

They are without a doubt one of the best avocado there is.  Not watery, its super high oil content by end of summer.  You will not be disappointed to grow them.  Only caveat is they may take forever to get ripe on the tree in northern CA.  A smaller mexican avocado is probably a better place to start.

Reed seeds are good for rootstock.  They grow vigorous once thry get going.  Zutanon and bacon are in season 6 months ago, I wouldnt bother waiting for them, you can always start more later. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 10, 2018, 05:01:09 PM
I got them at the local farmers market in the past and they  are excellent.  Havent seen them at the grocery.  The skin is thicker than most avocados so as soon as it gives its ready.  The grit is from the peel.  If you just dont scrape it it wont come off.  They are a bit early to be selling at the stores unless they want to put people off and not have them buy more.  They are without a doubt one of the best avocado there is.  Not watery, its super high oil content by end of summer.  You will not be disappointed to grow them.  Only caveat is they may take forever to get ripe on the tree in northern CA.  A smaller mexican avocado is probably a better place to start.

Reed seeds are good for rootstock.  They grow vigorous once thry get going.  Zutanon and bacon are in season 6 months ago, I wouldnt bother waiting for them, you can always start more later.
Thanks for the info.  I wasn't too put off by the grit, and I could see that it came from scraping the peel too enthusiastically.  I'm familiar with the stuff, but I'm not sure if its indicative of the fruit maturity or just something you'll find.  I've not given up on the Reed, but I do think they picked these fruit too soon.  I'll go ahead and try and root the seeds for use as RS, and maybe I can leave a branch of the original to see if it survives the 10+ years to maybe set fruit down the road.  On second thought, that's probably a bad idea.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 10, 2018, 05:04:55 PM
Yeah the grit is normal.  You can just slice in pieces and peel it instead of spoon.

You were too fast and I edited my post.  I can send some proper reeds in July or if you really want to blown away try them late August.

Several people came back and told my wife that the reeds we sold them were the best avocados they have ever had.  And they are just now getting ripe.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 10, 2018, 05:24:32 PM
Thanks Brad.  I think I saw you sell scion wood, right.  I need to order some varieties for grafting once I have the Rootstock built up.  Or maybe you'll start an online nursery business that ships young Avocado trees, and I can just purchase the finished product.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 10, 2018, 05:33:33 PM
Scions are not a problem.  I am going to grow a few small trees to ship to people.  It just takes forever to grow them.   Is that what kind you want reed?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Dylan SB on June 10, 2018, 06:52:42 PM
If I remember correctly in past years I have seen Reeds at the 99 cent store.  Paying several dollars or more than $10 for an avocado seems excessive.

Would prime Reed season be in September or October or do the trees drop their fruit before then?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 10, 2018, 11:42:44 PM
If I remember correctly in past years I have seen Reeds at the 99 cent store.  Paying several dollars or more than $10 for an avocado seems excessive.

Would prime Reed season be in September or October or do the trees drop their fruit before then?

Thats probably prime time for Santa Barbra grown reeds.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 11, 2018, 07:52:12 AM
I just purchased two Reed from the local Whole Foods market - $3.50 each.  I've probably had Reed in the past, but I hadn't in recent years.  The avocados seemed hard, so I left them out for a day.  The first I tried had the consistency of warm margarine from the Diner plate (the one under a glass dome at room temp).  There were also small bits of something like course sand near the peel.  Overall, I really didn't enjoy the avocado, nor my wife.  I'll try the 2nd to see if it's the same.  The consistency of the avocado was very mushy and a bit too watery.  I hope these two examples are just a case of premature harvesting, since I hope to grow a Reed someday.  BTW, these were marked as Del Rey producer.

I saved the seed.  Would it work well as a rootstock, or should I wait for a Bacon or Zutano?  Anyone else purchased store-bought Reed fruit that was substandard?


Not typical of Reed at all.   It's still early for them for starts.

Regarding your repotting and messing with their roots - avocados hate to be repotted.  Many times I'll sacrifice a pot by slitting down each side and carefully lifting out the rootball placing into the hole.

I've got quite a few grafts on Reed seedlings now.  Most haven't pushed yet. 

(https://s15.postimg.cc/kin0vgmd3/Reed_April.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kin0vgmd3/)

Reed is considered by many the best in the states.

5 "rare" Reeds shipped for only $76!  Get 'em while you can.

http://www.californiaavocadosdirect.com/products/product.aspx?pid=1-48 (http://www.californiaavocadosdirect.com/products/product.aspx?pid=1-48)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 11, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Hi Mark, the roots in 7 out of 9 of those pots were bound and rotting when I got them from the nursery.  How bound up varied from plant to plant, but nearly all had a good amount of brown, dead root matter.  I actually did as you described with several of the plants and cut the pot down the sides, but honestly I found that it was hard not to slice through some of the roots in doing this with my box cutter,  and it was surprisingly difficult to actually extricate the plant in this manner, so I came to the conclusion that for these root bound plants it was just easier to pull them out cleanly from the pot as a unit.  I've gotten different opinions on whether it's best to shred and remove the dead root matter at planting or go to any length not to disturb the roots.  On my initial plant, I left the roots totally untouched, but then when I re-potted, I noticed there was a kind of boundary delimited by the original pot outline and the 2-3" of expansion "soil."  It seemed the good roots were mostly trapped inside the dead.  I only saw a few good roots growing out in a downward direction.  So I decided to rip-up and remove the dead roots there.  I'm sure some healthy roots suffered with that move.  I'm still hoping they can recover.  I'm looking for the day when these plants start to draw on the water held by the soil, and I can actually begin to water them again and add that so important mulch layer back.  I've planted avocados in the past and didn't have any of these types of issues, but I think the combo of less than healthy plants and perhaps too much peat and cocohull in my grow medium has led to my issues this time round.  I'll keep at it, and try to remember these setbacks for next time.

I can't imaging I'd ever spend $75 on five avocados here in California.  Better to take a SouthWest flight down south and gather 50 at $2 a piece.  It is worth noting that they have a deal now and have reduced the price by half.  I sliced open the second Reed from WF yesterday.  It was slightly better, but still not a great specimen.  It's like they picked it early but the fruit is actually starting to go bad from age.  I'll look forward to trying a better example in the future.  Where have you been posting (or have you) the progress on all your avocado grafting there in the greenhouse?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Fygee on June 11, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
My Mexicola Grande, Fuerte, and Aravaipa are all doing well, especially considering that the temps have hit triple digits here in Vegas as of last week. Solid leaf growth with a decent amount of swelling buds on the nodes. They still look spindly from dropping a lot of foliage once winter ended, but I'm hoping they'll fill out nicely.

All are in large containers, and the Mexicola and Fuerte are under a shade tree with lots of wood mulch in the containers, and leaf mulch on the ground to help add some humidity to their little microclimate.

Keeping an eagle eye on their watering since they seem to be retaining water well, despite the high temps. All previous avos I had died from root rot due to overwatering during the hottest parts of the summer.

Also planted some beans in the containers to help put some more nitrogen in the soil and soak up some of the extra soil moisture.

(https://s15.postimg.cc/gasp5s4cn/20180605_173652.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gasp5s4cn/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 11, 2018, 04:14:14 PM
Fygee, how much light are all those potted plants you showed getting in a day.  They look like they're well shaded, which probably helps with the 100F+ temps, but may stunt growth for the Avocados in the long run.  Will you be planting them in ground soon?  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Fygee on June 11, 2018, 04:51:07 PM
They're getting mostly shade with some brief late afternoon sun. The sun here is way too intense for avocado trees this young, so mostly shade is the only option until they get a couple years in to grow some protective bark, root out to take in more moisture, and leaf out to provide adequate trunk/branch protection. Stunted growth is expected and an acceptable sacrifice to keep them alive and the trunk unburnt. This is the method Don Olson from Shamus/Greenlife recommends, and others in Arizona have had success with it.

I'm going to carefully move them into large Rootbuilder sacks/pots once the current leaf nodes grow out, but they won't be going in the ground for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately I have a small yard and have to make do with the space I have, which means a lot of container growing. That and if they manage to survive a couple years (they're about nine months old since they were purchased), I want to make sure I can take them with me when I eventually move into a place with a bigger yard.

I also have some seed grown ones that I'm experimenting with by exposing them more to our sun, heat, and crap native soil. If they do well, then I'm going to attempt to graft scions and and see how they do.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 11, 2018, 08:07:11 PM
They're getting mostly shade with some brief late afternoon sun. The sun here is way too intense for avocado trees this young, so mostly shade is the only option until they get a couple years in to grow some protective bark, root out to take in more moisture, and leaf out to provide adequate trunk/branch protection. Stunted growth is expected and an acceptable sacrifice to keep them alive and the trunk unburnt. This is the method Don Olson from Shamus/Greenlife recommends, and others in Arizona have had success with it.

I'm going to carefully move them into large Rootbuilder sacks/pots once the current leaf nodes grow out, but they won't be going in the ground for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately I have a small yard and have to make do with the space I have, which means a lot of container growing. That and if they manage to survive a couple years (they're about nine months old since they were purchased), I want to make sure I can take them with me when I eventually move into a place with a bigger yard.

I also have some seed grown ones that I'm experimenting with by exposing them more to our sun, heat, and crap native soil. If they do well, then I'm going to attempt to graft scions and and see how they do.

Nice project, good luck with this.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 20, 2018, 12:35:18 AM
Finally got around to taking photos of my Avos. Itís been a lot of hard work and patience to baby most of them and get them going.

Lots of photos so please bear with me as I figure out how to upload so many images...

There are a couple of repeats (noted) and photos of other trees I accidentally placed in and am not sure how to remove as it was very difficult to get these done. (sorry)

Pinkerton
(https://s15.postimg.cc/aqzlxo85j/04233528-9263-4_F2_B-9_E12-_E052_EBD645_E6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/aqzlxo85j/)

choquette + rootstock adjacent
(https://s15.postimg.cc/dwk7oethz/41_A48190-8390-4_E63-_AFFF-123_F5_A645797.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dwk7oethz/)

repeat picture of pinkerton
(https://s15.postimg.cc/jyrueczs7/5_DAD1_C2_C-6918-4448-_B0_D0-4_A89_AE5_D04_FA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jyrueczs7/)

GEM
(https://s15.postimg.cc/4q1x0pgfb/746_D1752-_B97_B-4_C48-_B5_DC-_B14_BAE06_E837.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4q1x0pgfb/)

Nabal
(https://s15.postimg.cc/9by18xjx3/839_DA2_AA-271_C-4015-8898-40_E02_E7_B9911.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9by18xjx3/)

Sharwil or JB (tag from epicenter lost, I don't share this budwood because I can't verify cultivar at this time)
(https://s15.postimg.cc/wq60kvwpj/CF6_ACE5_D-1864-4768-834_F-19428698_BF43.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wq60kvwpj/)

Carmen (ebay -- because I don't necessarily trust the origin of this tree, I also don't share this budwood without at least warning the other party)
(https://s15.postimg.cc/40j4o8d9z/D8_C568_B8-_D82_A-4841-_B725-9_FAAA83_C8829.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40j4o8d9z/)

Bacon on Duke 7
(https://s15.postimg.cc/8z6n2qehz/F76_E3_CA0-_B967-41_D4-_A7_D0-_BEB0_BEE968_EB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8z6n2qehz/)

party time
(https://s15.postimg.cc/f04bzv69z/0_AF9_D92_B-_AA45-4_E69-9347-001022_DF0_E47.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/f04bzv69z/)

Bob
(https://s15.postimg.cc/oxfcsyvw7/52_A54708-583_C-484_E-_AB8_B-08_BCAB31_F8_FF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oxfcsyvw7/)

shindler
(https://s15.postimg.cc/grxauss7r/68_B53_C0_C-3531-49_D0-_A871-7_F2_A95_A23347.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/grxauss7r/)

reed
(https://s15.postimg.cc/ullnjrks7/B485_C056-_E75_B-4_AF7-9_CE4-_E6922458_D43_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ullnjrks7/)

choquette (a different tree)
(https://s15.postimg.cc/kbj8kifh3/B9_AA6_B04-6_DEC-4_A00-_B03_C-4925_BB276589.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kbj8kifh3/)

Daily 11
(https://s15.postimg.cc/ae87rkah3/D0_C68023-5_FB2-422_A-_BA00-_CBD928_E29534.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ae87rkah3/)

repeat picture of party time
(https://s15.postimg.cc/oxfcsy113/FA646_B82-7_FE7-455_A-_B925-1_F89_AB7_D1924.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oxfcsy113/)

colleen davis
(https://s15.postimg.cc/lqkt9c3qf/FB1_B2091-_FB47-450_E-_A905-4504_DEAD7560.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lqkt9c3qf/)

hellen
(https://s15.postimg.cc/52tb6wluf/0662_D630-8090-418_C-_A158-_ADC8_B90_EACA3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/52tb6wluf/)

weird bug on mango. not sure if beneficial or harmful
(https://s15.postimg.cc/hhg376vc7/503_CF74_A-749_D-4_CDB-_A639-14648100_FA23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hhg376vc7/)

reed on toro canyon
(https://s15.postimg.cc/m3c7fhr53/94_C1_D16_F-4_C44-43_CC-_A30_C-_F7_B927_D745_DA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m3c7fhr53/)

sharwil on dusa
(https://s15.postimg.cc/bt9sg8tjr/9713_A1_D6-7_B0_A-4_E76-_AC08-_F0_BA6_E3_E799_B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bt9sg8tjr/)

rootstock with multiple grafts that failed during transplant period. only mantequilla graft still alive
(https://s15.postimg.cc/l120x18cn/9_D106284-_D9_C6-4_C15-8_D99-966_A8_B79936_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l120x18cn/)

fuerte
(https://s15.postimg.cc/3nrqi5i6f/A92_D89_BD-_E024-41_CE-_B67_D-_C2_ACE60931_C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3nrqi5i6f/)

dead carmen hass obtained from bonita creek nursery, died during transplant when half of roots were sheared off by a shovel.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/4q1x0ot9z/B158_EC5_C-_ACEC-4_E76-_BA4_C-_F3_F094953745.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4q1x0ot9z/)

queen
(https://s15.postimg.cc/iwhnvxz07/D962_BD90-20_A8-45_C3-8179-3_A77_B786_FB44.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iwhnvxz07/)

GEM
(https://s8.postimg.cc/59av7k0j5/4_D246866-35_AD-43_CF-9_FCA-_F1_F9_FC4_B6_DAC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/59av7k0j5/)

multi-mulberry
(https://s8.postimg.cc/5akt0ehm9/51275_E53-13_D6-4_F1_A-_A4_DD-_EF87_C9_C3_E4_D0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5akt0ehm9/)

Herd
(https://s8.postimg.cc/lycb2wk3l/5_B7_B85_C7-_C7_E4-48_C0-_A4_DB-_E15341_D9822_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lycb2wk3l/)

White Pakistan mulberry
(https://s8.postimg.cc/z2hvfkwpt/8_E34_E770-7576-4364-9_DFA-_D358_AA6_E8_EB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/z2hvfkwpt/)

green gold
(https://s8.postimg.cc/z17xmq7wx/AA1_EF148-_BE96-4_C9_E-_B0_F0-5_FBD5_FA0_CB91.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/z17xmq7wx/)

edranol
(https://s8.postimg.cc/y07ox166p/B79_A0_A30-_AF6_E-4_CFE-_B7_EA-18007_FFDA0_CD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y07ox166p/)

nimlioh
(https://s8.postimg.cc/jh0jvn7wx/E4_B9_BAB7-3692-4_ABD-_A493-85992819_C0_D0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jh0jvn7wx/)

pinkerton # 2
(https://s8.postimg.cc/kw24kgw69/03_A8_B40_E-2244-4814-_A811-_F4626_D016_A78.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kw24kgw69/)

Kahaluu
(https://s8.postimg.cc/y07ox63nl/701_F2048-_DBA6-463_E-8_CD4-_F1_AD6_E91_D75_F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/y07ox63nl/)

hass #1
(https://s8.postimg.cc/v64jjptrl/8_C0_D1_C29-93_BC-4820-871_C-_AAD96152370_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v64jjptrl/)

Holiday
(https://s8.postimg.cc/uglr7bycx/C3261657-1_F3_C-4_EA5-804_C-95_CEA473495_F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uglr7bycx/)

Oro Negro
(https://s8.postimg.cc/k6jc81b1d/D2_F02_CE9-3_D6_E-4_BBB-8303-54_F7_CBD01049.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/k6jc81b1d/)

Gwen graft somewhere there
(https://s8.postimg.cc/l8tiqn6q9/DEAAB9_F2-917_A-48_C9-_B486-_ECF9_A1_A3_EDC9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/l8tiqn6q9/)

Yamagata
(https://s8.postimg.cc/9jpj2o81t/E5_DE6_EF9-_AAF0-46_C8-_A579-_A9_D8966_AFB33.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9jpj2o81t/)

Hass #2
(https://s8.postimg.cc/osfggf6v5/F0_A318_A7-6_BE6-46_EC-_A604-7_A26847_C082_D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/osfggf6v5/)

Lamb hass
(https://s8.postimg.cc/8u6qqas2p/FD8_FCFEA-79_AD-470_F-_BFE7-_BE0236360_ECB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8u6qqas2p/)

sir prize
(https://s15.postimg.cc/a1gtllpp3/0078_C48_B-_E837-4_A1_E-8_AB6-_DC8088_CEBE8_B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a1gtllpp3/)

sharwil #2, sickly
(https://s15.postimg.cc/fpn4cgrgn/2_F137_A53-9_E13-4001-_B47_C-42_A666_FE6991.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fpn4cgrgn/)

jan Boyce
(https://s15.postimg.cc/cisksumg7/78_C26_A9_F-_E904-4_D02-89_D8-4_F64460_B3_A87.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cisksumg7/)

Stewart
(https://s15.postimg.cc/hu7hdl3dz/BF5_CEE93-068_F-4701-8043-44647_BFB7Jan _CD5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hu7hdl3dz/)

Koala
(https://s15.postimg.cc/nids4iabb/474_EB408-22_FA-4_E39-8_CEA-35_F8_CE841692.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nids4iabb/)

Sport
(https://s15.postimg.cc/4q1x0wyhj/4_D7_C574_D-97_B4-42_E7-_A900-_F091_B5479817.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4q1x0wyhj/)

Linda
(https://s15.postimg.cc/hhg37estz/6_B2_B5_DB4-63_FB-40_D1-_BD8_F-_F7_A56_A75_AE3_C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hhg37estz/)

 Rootstock, several scattered around
(https://s15.postimg.cc/tw2v7qs1z/AB55_F83_E-_DE4_B-4988-_BAD4-6829_D5_F24_D54.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tw2v7qs1z/)

multi graft, whitsell nowels daily 11 survived. Creamhart f1 and leavens hass still green
(https://s8.postimg.cc/jjp0wryjl/2_DA5_A7_CB-373_C-401_B-8_E82-_BFBE17_D188_D2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jjp0wryjl/)

Ardith
(https://s8.postimg.cc/8k3tl60ep/A79_EB6_E4-_BDD4-4_A01-8_FE9-1_EAC55_BD3_CC3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8k3tl60ep/)

Sally
(https://s8.postimg.cc/7528wfjw1/C6_F02_C7_D-53_FD-4455-_BAFD-09_C3_F048_AA4_F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7528wfjw1/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 20, 2018, 08:19:45 AM
Wow, that's quite a collection, good luck with your projects.

Bug is a cicada.  "Cicada are known for drinking xylem from tree roots (as nymphs) and branches & twigs (as adults), however, when they are small they must rely on grasses, and possibly other small plants for nourishment."   IOW, kill it.  A good systemic soil drench or foliar spray would be imidacloprid.   Citrus growers and vineyards (that includes me) apply it to prevent such deadly diseases as Pierce's Disease, kill the HLB host, psyllid on citrus, etc.  It's labeled for everything consumable.  This is enough for the entire county for a year.  :D  https://www.amazon.com/contains-Imidacloprid-Termiticide-Insecticide-ingredient/dp/B011S22ANI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1529496506&sr=8-2&keywords=adonis+75&dpID=51GlGbmepHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch (https://www.amazon.com/contains-Imidacloprid-Termiticide-Insecticide-ingredient/dp/B011S22ANI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1529496506&sr=8-2&keywords=adonis+75&dpID=51GlGbmepHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch)

Based on your soil analysis I'd go with a slow release food, IF, you have rains or scattered irrigation to allow for the slow release of nutrients.  Otherwise this one can't be beat based on it's 5-1-3 NPK, a nice ratio of nitrate N to ammonical N, value, etc.  This 5-1-3 ratio would be excellent on citrus too if that applies.  https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1 (https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1)

IMO none of those trees are ready to harvest scions from.

All that matters now is roots and you've got a damn good start with such fine stock as Dusa.  I'd get a mulch on them too and if you didn't innoculate them when planting I'd drench them with a mychor endo like this one, available on Amazon.  NO high P foods especially when using a mychorrizial product! Contrary to label hype the last thing they need is a "root booster".  They need N, in small amounts.  VAM has the ability to extract P from the soil once the colony is established.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/56fowg8el/VAM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/56fowg8el/)

Good luck and thanks for sharing the pix!

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 20, 2018, 08:22:30 AM
Ardith
(https://s8.postimg.cc/8k3tl60ep/A79_EB6_E4-_BDD4-4_A01-8_FE9-1_EAC55_BD3_CC3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8k3tl60ep/)

What's the white stuff around the Ardith?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on June 20, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
Looks like perlite Mark, nice collection hope they all grow strong for you Hockey ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 20, 2018, 12:13:49 PM
White stuff is perlite.

Can you apply the myco through a fertigation system? I added some liquid myco as well as powdered killer myco(the shark brand) but have no issue doing it again with a recommended product.

As for imidacloprid, Iíve strongly  considered it but am worried about bees. Not too many blooms now to worry about so Iíll look into it. Next thing on the list besides the above is to white wash. I have used the surround wp product on a sprayer. I used it last year on everything and it worked really well, maybe too well on my mangoes because it seems the mangoes all slowed down in growth last year when I applied it. I donít think they minded the 90s and 100s at all.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on June 20, 2018, 12:45:12 PM
That's quite a Ranch you've got there in the making.  Did you landscape all that yourself, or use a crew?  I foresee one day a hundred years hence folks will talk about he Hockey ranch that survived the great heat purges of the 2030's and there remains a vessel for the continuation of the Persea americana species.  With the surround product, did you find that it washed away after rain?  Did it clog up your sprayer at 4cups to a gallon (is that right?)?  Did it work to deter ants?

Thanks for all the great pics.  They will make a nice reference in the future.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 20, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Thanks for the complement. Weíd like it to be a fruit paradise. Thatís just the avocado side. Thereís a stone fruit segment, citrus area, fig area and mango area with a few other trees sprinkled in (jabos, cherimoya atemoya, tropical cherries) 😋

Landscaping was done by a crew but we helped design it. I tried to put Avos so that A and B flowering trees alternate adjacent to each other and that they flower at roughly the same times. Canít help the alternate bearing but I wonder if grafting can break the alternat ebearing habit or if it is dictated by rootstock.

Surround wp clogged my auto sprayer and I had to wash it out. My hand sprayer worked well however and thatís how I covered everything. It kind of washes off in the rain but for the most part a thin layer stays on so o guess you could say it gets diluted in the rain. I think the official recommendation is to layer it on every few weeks. I was happy with 1-2 layers last year. I didnít spray for bugs last year so I think it helped. This year Iím being attacked by bugs despite spraying neem rosemary and spinosad. I canít keep up with the bugs. I may have to use the imidocloprid but I believe the surround will work. Will update.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 20, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Nice Khalid.  Whats next?

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 20, 2018, 05:47:19 PM
Hi Brad


1) Trouble shooting mangoes. Trying to get them to grow and fruit and survive between growing seasons. I will try at least for the next few years.

2) getting cacao growing in my greenhouse. My current setup is not ideal and itís hard for me to figure out how best to set it up. I know youíve warned me that my designated area is small ... but I donít want to give up more space for it for only a few truly tropical trees.

3) getting the figs to grow. I have maybe 28 varieties that I rooted over the winter. Iíve lost 4-5 varieties during the transplanting process. Most are growing well now and have at least 4 inches of green growth. Some have more than 16 inches of growth. Certainly let some are better suited to the local environment here than others but I think I can get all of them to grow.

Once that happens, I have at least 1 variety that can sustain the fig wasp, and I have a couple other varieties that depend on the fig wasp for production. So either the wasp will be attracted to the host tree or Iíll have to request some fruit that have the wasp eggs and wasps to start a colony.


4) surviving hlb. I donít think any of my trees are affected, and Iíve heard from some on this forum that foliar spraying can keep infected trees alive, but keeping them protected and alive is a big priority.

5) fruit harvesting and keeping critters away: right now the dog is locked up so that he doesnít knock over a lot of the small plants. That means rabbits and other critters are having their way with the yard.  The dog did a great job protecting trees in the past.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 21, 2018, 08:51:17 AM
White stuff is perlite.

Can you apply the myco through a fertigation system? I added some liquid myco as well as powdered killer myco(the shark brand) but have no issue doing it again with a recommended product.

As for imidacloprid, Iíve strongly  considered it but am worried about bees. Not too many blooms now to worry about so Iíll look into it. Next thing on the list besides the above is to white wash. I have used the surround wp product on a sprayer. I used it last year on everything and it worked really well, maybe too well on my mangoes because it seems the mangoes all slowed down in growth last year when I applied it. I donít think they minded the 90s and 100s at all.


Another myth that won't die.  Here's a study from your state that shows imidicloprid fed to bees in a solution has no effect on individuals or the colony.  Having said that we have millions of wild bees and I only soil drench when not in bloom.   I added 2 tsp. of Adonis 75 to a 30 gal. garbage of rain water, a little plant food, and drenched everything in the greenhouse about 2 weeks ago pumping from the can - mango, avocado, pineapple, avocado, citrus, annona, etc.

Pg. 52, Frank Byrne, ph.d., et al.
http://citrusresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/Winter2014.pdf (http://citrusresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/Winter2014.pdf)

Surround is the lazy man's way to shade.  I finally bought some and solved my annual sunburn problem.  I had Reed and Gwen fruit and leaves being nailed every winter when the sun sank south which is exposed the un-acclimated material to UV and full sun thru a 4' high wall vent.  Just turned them black....

(https://s22.postimg.cc/dqw78dra5/Greenhouse_South_Vent.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dqw78dra5/)

Have read from a reliable source that the Great White Shark brand of myco is snake oil.  We as consumers don't have a lab to test the products we buy so we really don't know.  I wouldn't use fertigation as most of these products have adjuncts that might clog up your system.   One is humates which doesn't dissolve in water, at least not the one used in VAM. So I apply by hand using a watering can and agitate frequently.  Best applied as a settling drench just before or during your final backfill of soil into the hole.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 21, 2018, 09:06:36 AM
Hi Brad

1) Trouble shooting mangoes. Trying to get them to grow and fruit and survive between growing seasons. I will try at least for the next few years.

Something's not right with your treatment of them.   Given the right conditions mangos should grow fast.   What food are they getting, what's the NPK?  IMO juvenile mangos need plenty of N, not K as pushed by mango growers in Florida.  I have fruited trees the following year they were grafted and that was by using only a slow release 18-4-9 food with micros called Polyon, a very high quality 12 mo. food used by golf course managers, nurserymen.  Everything in my greenhouse gets the same food.  It not only feeds them a little at a time but it sure cuts down on man hours.
 
(https://s22.postimg.cc/54xj1lwz1/Polyonsend.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/54xj1lwz1/)

BTW Khaled, is your soil clay based, heavy?

BTW, it's obvious you've spent a lot of time and money on this project.  I trust you based your decisions and choices using the results of a water and soil analysis?  Also, doing a leaf tissue analysis when in doubt can save you some heartache, time, and money.

In a previous post I said citrus prefers a 3-1-2 and recommended the Peters food, 25-5-15.  Actually it's a NPK of 5-1-3 which is the actual ratio processed by citrus via leaf/petiole tissue analysis.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 21, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
Mangos are for sure a challenge here.  The climate is marginal for them in Southern CA. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 23, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
Mark, heres the mazzei injector hooked up.  Works awesome!  Super happy with that.  Thank you very much for donating it to me.  I threw 5lbs of fertilizer at my trees on that station today over the course of a 45min watering.  I think theres about 50 trees on that station.  They were needing some fertilizer and more water.  My son thinks the injector is cool too btw. 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1826/42923564492_b171bb7499_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on June 24, 2018, 01:44:12 AM
Hah! That's a nice clear photo of your set up Brad!
I've been reading Behl's injector system in his recent injector thread and contemplating to get one myself. Been leaning to get Mazzei too; looks simpler, straight forward, no moving part, no electricity/battery and the price is down to earth! (The fact that Mark and Brandon's input there also help to sway me as well).

Also, I like your set up of vertical placing of the Mazzei, in parallel to water supply but still under full control with 2 ball valves and 2 unions joints on each end of it.

My challenge is to choose the right model for what I need, -lots of models to choose from-...,
so as to provide about 5 G bucket mixed fertilizer,  -just like yours- but I want it to last for about a month  before I need to do another mixing. So, the suction rate need to be relatively small; wondering can this be controlled with another inline valve in that fertillizer intake tubing?

Glad to see that you like the system, and thanks for posting it Brad!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 24, 2018, 07:53:16 AM
Mark, heres the mazzei injector hooked up.  Works awesome!  Super happy with that.  Thank you very much for donating it to me.  I threw 5lbs of fertilizer at my trees on that station today over the course of a 45min watering.  I think theres about 50 trees on that station.  They were needing some fertilizer and more water.  My son thinks the injector is cool too btw. 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1826/42923564492_b171bb7499_b.jpg)

Nice job!  Son is gonna make a good farm hand.    Very happy to donate it to such a noble cause.  If you ever need to clean out the whole system 78% sulfuric acid can be diluted in a 5 gal. bucket and syphoned down line.  I buy the 5 gal. box at an auto parts store, and yes, it's pure.

If that's a cellulose filter I'd shit can it in favor of a Amiad with a S/S internal filter column, one after the well head and one after the Mazzei.  Just my dos centavos amigo......

I have the ones shown in the top row, middle.  Nothing to replace, you just clean the screens in a bucket of water.  Valve lets you open it up and blow it out.

https://www.dripworks.com/catalogsearch/result?q=amiad+filters (https://www.dripworks.com/catalogsearch/result?q=amiad+filters)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 24, 2018, 07:58:58 AM
My challenge is to choose the right model for what I need, -lots of models to choose from-...,

Yep, you do have to choose the one that will work for your gpm rate.  I gave Brad the big one based on his total output when considering a particular zone.

Quote
so as to provide about 5 G bucket mixed fertilizer,  -just like yours- but I want it to last for about a month  before I need to do another mixing. So, the suction rate need to be relatively small; wondering can this be controlled with another inline valve in that fertillizer intake tubing?

You control the rate of suction two ways - with the bypass valve - open and no suction; closing down in increments - suction.  The small valve that fits on the suction tube at the start of the suction tube can also be used to control the uptake.   Looks like Brad has it closed down about a 1/3.

You're not building a piano,  ;D only injecting fertilizer into the system until the bucket is empty and then some.  After the bucket runs dry you open up the valve and let the lines purge of all the goodies until clear at the end of the line.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 24, 2018, 10:14:02 AM
I have a SS filter on the well head too.  The big blue filter gets me down to 5 microns.  Unfortunately we have an iron and manganese bacteria in our water that turns into particulate downstream from the water tank.  I already have it filtered at the tank and can get rid of this one.  Its an old leftover from before I put the whole property filter at the boost pump a year ago. 

Samu, it all comes down to your pipe size and flow rate.  What size pipe do you have and how much water are you running through it in a minute?  How many minutes you run per month? 

If you look close, theres a black valve you fine tune the flow rate with on the inlet tube on the mazzei.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 24, 2018, 04:53:44 PM
Filters - sounds good.  I quickly got rid of the one on the house in favor of Amiad.

If you look close, theres a black valve you fine tune the flow rate with on the inlet tube on the mazzei.

Yep, one of the two ways of adjusting the suction flow.

It's been one month since I grafted the avocado scions.   Here's 2 Lamb Hass, 2 Sharwil growing really well now and one Pinkerton just beginning to push.  Again, muchas grass.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/m3ilhgou5/Avocado_Grafts_June23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m3ilhgou5/)

Stewart on top of a Bacon seedling.  Will remove the Bacon shoots soon.
 
(https://s22.postimg.cc/yi5dhy0yl/Stewart_June23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yi5dhy0yl/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 24, 2018, 05:46:21 PM
Nice grafting Mark.  You will be eating home grown cados in no time.  Probably get some stewarts Fall of 2019

Im liking the lamb hass, those are in season now and they are great.  Im going to plant more of those.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 25, 2018, 02:51:17 AM
Hi Mark

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I had a soils report done for engineering but not a soil analysis (unless it's in there somewhere). However, I did have a handful of nurserymen out here including one very prominent local guru who promotes specific soil types and he declared my soil 'good soil' but compacted in areas. There is some clay but it is not considered a clay soil... somewhere between loam and clay I figure.

However, the mangos died while in pots with various fast draining mixes and coco noir. I thought about sending a sample in to one of the ag extensions but never got around to it The death rate slowed down dramatically around the time of planting... although I have lost a couple of large branches on some trees but I think the process had already been in play. I've included a picture of one such tree where a lower branch is alive but higher main branch is dead. I've pruned most of the dead wood but didn't get around to this one yet.

I just threw some nutricote 100 and micromax around all the trees minus stone fruit yesterday (ran out). I figure a slow release would do them good, although I couldn't find the 360 year round version. I think I used polyon last year (green beads?). Maybe I'll just switch to that.

As for fertigation, I have the same system as Behl. I like it so far, but the main drawback is that I can't quite tell when it's empty. It doesn't really empty of concentrated fertilizer. It just slowly gets diluted with incoming water, which displaces a small percentage of the concentrate into the water line. I guess mine is supposed to empty every 10,000 gallons or so (my calculations may be off... I've got to sit down and think about it) and its hard for me to tell how many gallons are being used per day for landscaping. I can check to see if the liquid leaving the tank is colored or not but this doesn't seem like an accurate way of measuring. In any case, it's been over a month so I think it's time to at least check it.

I'll look into the water soluble fertilizer you recommended. I had thrown in grow-more 16-16-16 (or maybe all 20s -- I can't remember) in addition to Dr earth nitro 7-0-2 I think and fulvic acid.


Hi Brad

1) Trouble shooting mangoes. Trying to get them to grow and fruit and survive between growing seasons. I will try at least for the next few years.

Something's not right with your treatment of them.   Given the right conditions mangos should grow fast.   What food are they getting, what's the NPK?  IMO juvenile mangos need plenty of N, not K as pushed by mango growers in Florida.  I have fruited trees the following year they were grafted and that was by using only a slow release 18-4-9 food with micros called Polyon, a very high quality 12 mo. food used by golf course managers, nurserymen.  Everything in my greenhouse gets the same food.  It not only feeds them a little at a time but it sure cuts down on man hours.
 
(https://s22.postimg.cc/54xj1lwz1/Polyonsend.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/54xj1lwz1/)

BTW Khaled, is your soil clay based, heavy?

BTW, it's obvious you've spent a lot of time and money on this project.  I trust you based your decisions and choices using the results of a water and soil analysis?  Also, doing a leaf tissue analysis when in doubt can save you some heartache, time, and money.

In a previous post I said citrus prefers a 3-1-2 and recommended the Peters food, 25-5-15.  Actually it's a NPK of 5-1-3 which is the actual ratio processed by citrus via leaf/petiole tissue analysis.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 25, 2018, 02:54:30 AM
Nice looking grafts. One question though -- why graft way down low rather than allowing the rootstock to send a central leader and graft off of that? I have a couple of large multi- avos done in the second manner but only did that out of convenience. Is there an advantage to doing it the way you did it? I'd be worried about the balance of the tree if certain varieties grew very large or bulky.

-K


Filters - sounds good.  I quickly got rid of the one on the house in favor of Amiad.

If you look close, theres a black valve you fine tune the flow rate with on the inlet tube on the mazzei.

Yep, one of the two ways of adjusting the suction flow.

It's been one month since I grafted the avocado scions.   Here's 2 Lamb Hass, 2 Sharwil growing really well now and one Pinkerton just beginning to push.  Again, muchas grass.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/m3ilhgou5/Avocado_Grafts_June23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m3ilhgou5/)

Stewart on top of a Bacon seedling.  Will remove the Bacon shoots soon.
 
(https://s22.postimg.cc/yi5dhy0yl/Stewart_June23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yi5dhy0yl/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 25, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
Hey Khalid, you can install a water meter after the injector if you need to know how much water you are using.  I have one installed on mine just so I can see how many gallons and at what flow rate is going to my avocados.  Its there in the photo above the blue bucket.  Its a blue water meter. 

You can watch it spin and set a stop watch to figure out your flow rate.  And it logs how many gallons you use.  Its not that useful for me now I know what my sprinklers put out but helped figuring out how long to water before I knew what the flow rate was.  Blindly watering without an idea how much you are using isn't a good idea if you have a lot of trees.  Better to get it in the ballpark.  In your setup you could use the meter on an ongoing basis for when to refill the fertilizer.

I would suggest you not fertilize every watering.  Youcan get fertilizer buildup and burn the plants.  And too much fertilizer and soft growth encourages the bugs to attack them.  Its a good idea to water with plain water several times to flush the ground out after fertilizing.  It also gives the trees a chance to harden off the new flushes. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 25, 2018, 10:49:47 AM
Nice looking grafts. One question though -- why graft way down low rather than allowing the rootstock to send a central leader and graft off of that? I have a couple of large multi- avos done in the second manner but only did that out of convenience. Is there an advantage to doing it the way you did it? I'd be worried about the balance of the tree if certain varieties grew very large or bulky.

-K

Cause it's all I have to work with after the January freeze and I'm not about to wait.  It's late enough. I do my best grafting in early March.    Except for Reed and Gwen, these trees froze to the ground.  18F will do it.  Why the Reed made it thru is anyone's guess and yes it IS pure Reed. Got the scion from U.C.R.   My only choice was to take a chance on grafting to young, green shoots that pushed from the rootstock which is Waldin on this one.  It worked.

I have grafted to a few seedlings of Fantastic, Sir Prize, Reed and Oro Negro but they're not doing well. 

Yes, the less vigorous Pinkerton will play second fiddle to the other varieties.  I have only Pinkerton on another tree, two grafts.

Be careful with those salts Kahled.  Less is more such that a slow release encapsulated food is a safe bet.  Probably preaching to the choir but avocados hate high salts, unless the rootstock is Waldin and it can almost take salt water. 

I hope so Brad.  The thought of having to wait 2 years for avocados sucks.  At least I didn't lose everything.  You think that's bad, here's my Frankencitrus.  I have about 20 grafts of Cara Cara red navel, Hamlin, and Marrs orange on it plus limequat and Persian lime on a key lime tree with a 6" trunk.   Here's some recent t-buds of Marrs, a very sweet low acid orange some of you guys call "Texas Sweet".  The clothespins cinch down the flaps perfectly - one above and one below the bud.  I'll remove them at about 2 weeks.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/g0o00ym19/Citrus_Grafts_June23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/g0o00ym19/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on June 27, 2018, 01:44:46 PM
Yep, you do have to choose the one that will work for your gpm rate.  I gave Brad the big one based on his total output when considering a particular zone.

You control the rate of suction two ways - with the bypass valve - open and no suction; closing down in increments - suction.  The small valve that fits on the suction tube at the start of the suction tube can also be used to control the uptake.   Looks like Brad has it closed down about a 1/3.

Samu, it all comes down to your pipe size and flow rate.  What size pipe do you have and how much water are you running through it in a minute?  How many minutes you run per month? 

If you look close, theres a black valve you fine tune the flow rate with on the inlet tube on the mazzei.

Yes, I see that black valve now Brad! I don't have acreage like you guys do, just a couple dozen trees in a city lot, and am still in the process of converting all my fruit trees watering to slow watering "dripline" system, so I'll most likely go with the smallest model they have: ( 1/2" pvc size fittings.)

Thanks Mark and Brad for sharing your experience, you've always been helpful!
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 27, 2018, 03:10:10 PM
Yep, you do have to choose the one that will work for your gpm rate.  I gave Brad the big one based on his total output when considering a particular zone.

You control the rate of suction two ways - with the bypass valve - open and no suction; closing down in increments - suction.  The small valve that fits on the suction tube at the start of the suction tube can also be used to control the uptake.   Looks like Brad has it closed down about a 1/3.

Samu, it all comes down to your pipe size and flow rate.  What size pipe do you have and how much water are you running through it in a minute?  How many minutes you run per month? 

If you look close, theres a black valve you fine tune the flow rate with on the inlet tube on the mazzei.

Yes, I see that black valve now Brad! I don't have acreage like you guys do, just a couple dozen trees in a city lot, and am still in the process of converting all my fruit trees watering to slow watering "dripline" system, so I'll most likely go with the smallest model they have: ( 1/2" pvc size fittings.)

Thanks Mark and Brad for sharing your experience, you've always been helpful!

Unless you have plenty of output at the trees I don't think even the small Mazzei will give you the suction you need.  The end point must be quite a bit lower pressure than at the unit.  Might want to consider a Hozon syphonex attached to a house faucet.  Same principle.  I'm using one I bought 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on June 28, 2018, 01:45:14 AM
Thanks for the tips and reminders re salt burn. Completely forgot about salt burn.  Will turn off for a few weeks then restart.

Iíll look into the flow meter. Sounds like a good idea.

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: igrowmangos on June 29, 2018, 11:42:26 AM
Question... Is there anything that I can do to give my avo trees more energy to produce more foliage or strengthen their roots and branches? Not too concerned about the fruit production as they're only 7 gallon container trees, planted on ground. May be more Nitrogen? Trees are healthy just sort of slow growing as of now... May be that's typically for the first year then they take off??
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on June 29, 2018, 01:01:58 PM
Yeah use a nitrogen heavy fertilizer made for citrus and avocados.  Just use it in moderation and use it often when its hot. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on July 30, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
My Hass has made a great recovery.. unfortunately I've cut the lamb-hass down to about 1 ft tall with one green group of leaves. everything else died off. Holiday has green tips but not looking to good still.
Remember to not OVER water :(
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 30, 2018, 04:56:55 PM
Question... Is there anything that I can do to give my avo trees more energy to produce more foliage or strengthen their roots and branches? Not too concerned about the fruit production as they're only 7 gallon container trees, planted on ground. May be more Nitrogen? Trees are healthy just sort of slow growing as of now... May be that's typically for the first year then they take off??

I use nothing but a slow release like Osmocote Indoor/Outdoor, 6 mo.  Good NPK ratio and good micro package.  Don't forget to mulch.  Avocados thrive on it, especially using their own leaves.  I've used pine needles and their own leaves for a long time.  Closed done my Xmas op so pine needles are in short supply so I've switched to Landscapers Pride pine bark mulch.  It's very good quality.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on July 31, 2018, 03:20:49 AM
Yeah use a nitrogen heavy fertilizer made for citrus and avocados.  Just use it in moderation and use it often when its hot.

which fertilizer are you using for your avocados?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: pineislander on July 31, 2018, 07:33:32 AM
Question... Is there anything that I can do to give my avo trees more energy to produce more foliage or strengthen their roots and branches?

I followed these recommendations and got some poorly performing trees to become better producers. These are on large sandy soil mounds and What is seen in the pic is the first stage of mulching with cut wood. Second stage was topping with wood chips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYZuNjnvbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYZuNjnvbk)


(https://s22.postimg.cc/9uyv1qsb1/DSC01398.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9uyv1qsb1/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 31, 2018, 08:36:41 AM
Yeah use a nitrogen heavy fertilizer made for citrus and avocados.  Just use it in moderation and use it often when its hot.

which fertilizer are you using for your avocados?

I gave Spaugh a Mazzei injector for his commercial op and recommended this Peters food to inject for his avocados.  He loves them both.  This is probably the highest quality, high performance (strong) food you can get for N lovers.  Especially good for citrus too as this is the NPK they assimilate as revealed by leaf petiole tissue analysis.

https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1 (https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1)


Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on July 31, 2018, 09:48:24 AM
Yeah use a nitrogen heavy fertilizer made for citrus and avocados.  Just use it in moderation and use it often when its hot.

which fertilizer are you using for your avocados?

I have the jacks that mark mentioned.   I have also used a lot of gro power citrus avocado.  If you have a good nursery near by they will carry the gro power.  Its humus based and probably better if you just have a couple trees.  The jacks stuff is pretty potent and salt based which can burn an avocado if you get carried away with it.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on July 31, 2018, 10:25:28 AM
The jacks stuff is pretty potent and salt based which can burn an avocado if you get carried away with it.

I use it as a tweek but for you it's a good solution.  I use to inject various Peters foods for my 3,500 Xmas trees which were on drip irrigation.  I used Peters Azalea 21-7-7 acid forming food too to help with my calcareous, high pH soils.

For convenience and a slow release food (which avocados love) you can't beat an encapsulated food, if you have the rain to make it happen.  I bet I put this one on 6,000 new field transplants/liners and on my greenhouse tropical trees.  Polyon is somewhat more refined technically than Osmocote. Harrell's is a Florida op who stocks it.  It's popular with golf greens keepers, broadcasting it on fairways, roughs, greens.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/69bf89i3h/Polyonsend.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/69bf89i3h/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on July 31, 2018, 10:56:04 AM
To be honest any fertilizer with high N, low P, and medium K plus micros will work.  I use a lot of different fertilizers and use them on every kind of fruiting plant.  The plants are not that picky.   Once trees are full sized and fruiting hard you can back off the nitrogen.

Mark turned me on to Harrels also and I got an account setup with them.  They have an office/wharehouse in Vista CA.  I got some 12-6-8 polyon at 35$ a 50lb bag.  Been using that stuff too.  They also have water soluable stuff like jacks for half the price. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on July 31, 2018, 11:15:57 AM
Holidays are ripening
(https://s15.postimg.cc/4vm7u55dj/C1636_E1_D-3_B51-441_F-947_D-_FA756224_E8_C4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/4vm7u55dj/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Samu on August 02, 2018, 03:20:36 PM
Good for you, Frank!
Both my Avocado trees suffered burnt damage (especially on upper part) due to recent heat spell, and many small fruits dropped, those fruits still hanging will drop too I suspect: (so no Avocado to harvest this year!  :(  )

(https://s33.postimg.cc/wj5j24eor/IMG_1770.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/wj5j24eor/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on August 02, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
Holy s.....what kind of temperatures/humidity/wind speed  range you had to experience such an awful damage????
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 02, 2018, 11:20:38 PM
Dont feel too bad Samu, I lost a ton of avocados.  Especially hass, the trees were loaded and just dropped all the golfball size fruits. 

Lory it was 44 to 48 degrees celcius here with no humidity and lots of wind for a few days here.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on August 03, 2018, 12:14:52 AM
Oh my godness you've conditions comparable to kuwait or saudi arabia!
Now i understand  :(
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: arc310 on August 03, 2018, 12:47:34 AM
Yeah use a nitrogen heavy fertilizer made for citrus and avocados.  Just use it in moderation and use it often when its hot.

which fertilizer are you using for your avocados?

I gave Spaugh a Mazzei injector for his commercial op and recommended this Peters food to inject for his avocados.  He loves them both.  This is probably the highest quality, high performance (strong) food you can get for N lovers.  Especially good for citrus too as this is the NPK they assimilate as revealed by leaf petiole tissue analysis.

https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1 (https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1)

thanks for letting me know about it. I'll give it a try and see how it goes.

@spaugh - thanks for letting me know about the salt issue.

i've only really used dr. earth fruit tree fertilizer the past year so i'll switch it up and see how it does.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 03, 2018, 02:12:57 AM
Oh my godness you've conditions comparable to kuwait or saudi arabia!
Now i understand  :(

Yeah its not always like that but a few times a year ot gets super hot and dry. 

Maye more like morocco
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 03, 2018, 02:15:39 AM
Yeah use a nitrogen heavy fertilizer made for citrus and avocados.  Just use it in moderation and use it often when its hot.

which fertilizer are you using for your avocados?

I gave Spaugh a Mazzei injector for his commercial op and recommended this Peters food to inject for his avocados.  He loves them both.  This is probably the highest quality, high performance (strong) food you can get for N lovers.  Especially good for citrus too as this is the NPK they assimilate as revealed by leaf petiole tissue analysis.

https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1 (https://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1)

thanks for letting me know about it. I'll give it a try and see how it goes.

@spaugh - thanks for letting me know about the salt issue.

i've only really used dr. earth fruit tree fertilizer the past year so i'll switch it up and see how it does.

If you have just a few trees dr earth should be great stuff.  Thats good to start trees on, its mild and has the benefical microbes.  They have a good starter fert called "bio live".   If you want a little more horsepower but still semi organic try the gro power. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 21, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
Was out working in the garden yesterday and picked a few fruit.  Was really surprised that both mexicola and steuart are ripening already.  Havent tried one yet but here they are.  A whole year earlier than the larger cados.

Mexicola, stewart, lamb, reed. 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1883/43464278204_cf92a6b141_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on August 23, 2018, 05:34:12 PM
Was out working in the garden yesterday and picked a few fruit.  Was really surprised that both mexicola and steuart are ripening already.  Havent tried one yet but here they are.  A whole year earlier than the larger cados.

Mexicola, stewart, lamb, reed. 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1883/43464278204_cf92a6b141_b.jpg)

Impressive!  What a culinary explosion, sheesh. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on August 25, 2018, 09:14:20 PM
My Avocado death count as of today: 2. Lamb-Hass and Holiday. My third tree is doing great with exactly same treatment as these two? (Hass) Luckily my local nursery has credited me for both trees and a 4-in-1 cherry tree that a graft had died on.

Does anyone, or will you have any avocados (grafted) for sale? I can get pretty much any variety at my local home depot right now. (Bacon, Holiday, Stewart, Hass, Little Cado, Lamb-Hass, Mexicola) 5 gallon for $30  (Grafted)

Is there any variety I should look in to for my area? (9b, northern CA)
I like the timing of the holiday, and may grab another but I'd be interested in any recommendations on better replacements for the lamb-hass. I had my eyes set on a GEM avocado but short of driving to SD and paying quite a bit I was unable to locate one.

Any input appreciated.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on August 25, 2018, 09:40:43 PM
YucatŠn avocado meaty

(https://s22.postimg.cc/7w96lj831/6_DCEC8_D9-06_A8-4_F4_C-9_C0_B-766_FB4_BB90_C6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7w96lj831/)


(https://s22.postimg.cc/5exfe9vwd/8_B3019_B3-4641-4_A94-828_D-40090308_B8_F3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5exfe9vwd/)

Ticuch excellent red better than Hanson red

(https://s22.postimg.cc/3zvupk2j1/9_CCEFB19-1426-4_F13-_B5_F0-_F6_A465134_A31.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3zvupk2j1/)

Xcunya creamy oily for a West Indian avo
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 25, 2018, 11:44:03 PM
Can you grow those in CA?  Get some scion wood if you want to sell some I want to grow a red avocado.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: JF on August 27, 2018, 10:41:35 AM
Yes they can be grow in SoCal .. it will be awhile before Iíll have scions available for these

Tichuc & Suarez
(https://s22.postimg.cc/53vlc5fbx/B3_AAA080-_B486-40_A6-8518-_D7_A0747_C6623.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/53vlc5fbx/)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Orkine on August 28, 2018, 07:02:41 PM
Sorry to post this in more than one place but I need t maximise my chances of getting someone to see this and hopefully have a solution.

I have a dying avocado.
This picture is of one of several leafs on the plant.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/jAXEv9/IMG_20180828_183640942.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jAXEv9) (https://thumb.ibb.co/i7Gw8U/IMG_20180828_183651553.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i7Gw8U) (https://thumb.ibb.co/evx3oU/IMG_20180828_183751069.jpg) (https://ibb.co/evx3oU) (https://thumb.ibb.co/eo0OoU/IMG_20180828_183756566.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eo0OoU)

I am trying to learn what this is and if there is a cure of if I should plan on recovering the space for a different tree in the future..

Tree is in Florida, in full sun, an Oro Negro.  We have had a mix of heavy rain with periods of dry and very hot conditions.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on August 29, 2018, 12:06:29 AM
Sorry orkine Iím not familiar with that disease process. Looks like it maybe vascular or systemic as itís originating in the base/center of the leaf and working outwards. How do the stems look?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Diospyros on August 29, 2018, 06:26:25 PM
I just wanna share the pictures of an avocado that I found in Southern Spain.

Fruits ripen in Dec / Feb, very creamy, peels easily. Tree is a compact grower, very bushy and heavy producer.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/kyffq33az/IMG_1413_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kyffq33az/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/s1nb5m8pn/IMG_1414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/s1nb5m8pn/)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: behlgarden on August 29, 2018, 06:44:53 PM
I just wanna share the pictures of an avocado that I found in Southern Spain.

Fruits ripen in Dec / Feb, very creamy, peels easily. Tree is a compact grower, very bushy and heavy producer.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/kyffq33az/IMG_1413_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kyffq33az/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/s1nb5m8pn/IMG_1414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/s1nb5m8pn/)

beautiful looking fruit and yellow flesh color. how is the taste? I have always wanted to graft something like this to my cocktail cado tree.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on August 29, 2018, 08:43:58 PM

You can try emailing the photo to Gary Matsuoka at laguna hills nursery. Heís quite knowledgeable and knows quite a bit about the industry in general.  Otherwise, some universities offer disease assessment services , and some local ag extensions may do the same.

Khaled


Sorry to post this in more than one place but I need t maximise my chances of getting someone to see this and hopefully have a solution.

I have a dying avocado.
This picture is of one of several leafs on the plant.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/jAXEv9/IMG_20180828_183640942.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jAXEv9) (https://thumb.ibb.co/i7Gw8U/IMG_20180828_183651553.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i7Gw8U) (https://thumb.ibb.co/evx3oU/IMG_20180828_183751069.jpg) (https://ibb.co/evx3oU) (https://thumb.ibb.co/eo0OoU/IMG_20180828_183756566.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eo0OoU)

I am trying to learn what this is and if there is a cure of if I should plan on recovering the space for a different tree in the future..

Tree is in Florida, in full sun, an Oro Negro.  We have had a mix of heavy rain with periods of dry and very hot conditions.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Triphal on August 29, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
What varieties of avocado are practical for a low land tropical area with the average temperature of 27 degrees Centigrade with high humidity and 3780 mm of rain and a mild winter?
I am trying to help a Horticulture Scientist struggling in avocado growing in such areas. {But it grows well in nearby high elevation ( 1500 meters and above ) areas with low winter temperatures.}
 I was unable to find much of a participation from low land tropical areas. Any suggestion or comments from avocado growers in such tropical areas are very well appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Orkine on August 30, 2018, 09:56:51 AM
Thanks for the suggestion Khaled.
I will look into it.
I was hoping to get an immediate response in case there is action i can take immediately to arrest this decline.
Got a few tips,  working all fronts.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: kc_moses on August 30, 2018, 10:16:06 AM
I just wanna share the pictures of an avocado that I found in Southern Spain.

Fruits ripen in Dec / Feb, very creamy, peels easily. Tree is a compact grower, very bushy and heavy producer.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/kyffq33az/IMG_1413_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/kyffq33az/)

(https://s33.postimg.cc/s1nb5m8pn/IMG_1414.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/s1nb5m8pn/)

What variety is this avocado? It looks cute. It's not related to those "cocktail avocado" right?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mando408 on August 30, 2018, 04:17:37 PM
I have a couple of questions....
1) Is it a good time of the year to graft avocados? I use the technique that Carlos demonstrates in his Youtube videos
2) Maybe a dumb question, but does an avocado tree that grows large stay small or grow slower when grafted onto a dwarf variety (Wurtz or Holiday), as with other fruit trees?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on August 31, 2018, 01:33:46 AM
The traditional answer is no to both.

Brad described a technique to dramatically increase graft success earlier in this thread ( check July- early August).

I donít think rootstocks have successfully dwarfed the grafted branches but donít quote me o that.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on August 31, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
It was in another thread called "grafting avocados".  I have a bunch more trees now being grafted with excellent results in the middle of August.  Sadly, I am running out of places to plant all the new trees I've got.  I am cheating a bit though putting them indoors.

  If temperatures are below 90F, I don't think you will have problems.  Just keep the trees in 80 or 90% shade for 3 weeks then slowly move into more sun as they start pushing.  If you are doing it onto a tree already in the ground, it may be more difficult.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mando408 on August 31, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
Thanks guys, I'll look into that other technique.

As for dwarfing full sized trees, I didn't think so either (I've never read about anybody doing it) I was just asking before giving into the urge of turning my Lil Cado and/or Holiday into cocktail trees
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on September 01, 2018, 09:50:19 AM
Thanks guys, I'll look into that other technique.

As for dwarfing full sized trees, I didn't think so either (I've never read about anybody doing it) I was just asking before giving into the urge of turning my Lil Cado and/or Holiday into cocktail trees

Orkine, don't know how long you've been growing avocados so don't take this wrong but avocados drop/replace leaves several times a year. What you have may be nothing more than normal leaf senescence or may be a case of phytophora with all your rains.  I've sent off black avocados sticks to the U. of Florida tissue lab analysis services and those folks are excellent.  Also, there are quite a few products that nail phytophora as a soil drench and or leaf spray.  Magnabon CS2005 is one of them.  It's a systemic.  Frank Miele is from your neck of the woods and developed it.  It's also OMRI certified if you happen to roll that way.

Man, I'm itching to do a few more avocado grafts but am on the fence.  We start getting cold weather come October and come about Nov. everything pretty much shuts down.  I have done 67 grafts this year - avocado, annona, citrus, mango and just got thru with the last of 37 citrus grafts which completes my 4 citrus cocktail trees.

FWIW, some stuff is photoperiod dependent regarding growth, flowering responses, etc......  citrus is one of them and another reason why I'm hesitant to do any more grafting now that's it's Sept.  Sounds silly but I do pre-sunrise walks up and down our long driveway here in the country and will always stop by the greenhouse and flick on the light.  It interrupts the phytochrome hormonal thingie and simulates long days and short nights.

Good luck....




Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on September 01, 2018, 11:33:09 AM
Question for those with mature mexican avocado trees.  How long can you let them hang after they turn black?  My avos are turning black but they arent really ready to be picking.  Is ok to leave for another month or two?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Orkine on September 01, 2018, 12:41:22 PM
...
Orkine, don't know how long you've been growing avocados so don't take this wrong but avocados drop/replace leaves several times a year. What you have may be nothing more than normal leaf senescence or may be a case of phytophora with all your rains.  I've sent off black avocados sticks to the U. of Florida tissue lab analysis services and those folks are excellent.  Also, there are quite a few products that nail phytophora as a soil drench and or leaf spray.  Magnabon CS2005 is one of them.  It's a systemic.  Frank Miele is from your neck of the woods and developed it.  It's also OMRI certified if you happen to roll that way.
...
No offence taken Mark and rest assured, I will always take advice and feedback from experienced folks, even when not delivered as nicely as you do :)

This tree is one of two I had and used to be a Lula before I grafted it to Oro Negro (scions from Carlos) a few years ago.  I have seen it drop leaves but this looks different. It is over the entire tree with complete die back of limbs after the leaves drop.  The fruits are wrinkled and seem to be drying out.  Here are a few pictures.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/eXoc7z/IMG_20180901_121653579.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eXoc7z) (https://thumb.ibb.co/cZjH7z/IMG_20180901_121659665.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cZjH7z) (https://thumb.ibb.co/iUkDfK/IMG_20180901_121705092.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iUkDfK) (https://thumb.ibb.co/fDXFue/IMG_20180901_121723983.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fDXFue)

This other one below, I fear may be the future of this tree.  It was a vigorous productive Monroe (at least so I thought) that was knocked down by two storms, propped back up both times, and it looked like it was coming back.  Then started deteriorating just the same way the Oro negro is now.  It is dead now and I will take a chain saw to it soon.  I will leave a stump in the off chance that I am wrong and it is not dead.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/fqTzLK/IMG_20180901_121804112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fqTzLK)


I am trying whatever I can to save the tree, sentimental reasons (first successful graft ever).  However, I am looking at the silver lining, if this dies, I will have space for one of the many plants in my seedling areas in need of a spot in the yard.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on September 02, 2018, 10:23:32 AM
No offence taken Mark and rest assured, I will always take advice and feedback from experienced folks, even when not delivered as nicely as you do :)


If it means that much to you then I send some sticks to U. of Fl. lab ASAP.  Losing the trees is bad enough, not knowing what went wrong is worse.  Kinda like divorce - if you don't know what led up to it you're liable to repeat the same ole same ole.....only to fail again.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: kalan on September 02, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
I really hope I am wrong, but could be laurel wilt. Any sign of holes or frass in the brown wood (frass looks like sawdust "toothpicks" emerging from the wood).?

...
Orkine, don't know how long you've been growing avocados so don't take this wrong but avocados drop/replace leaves several times a year. What you have may be nothing more than normal leaf senescence or may be a case of phytophora with all your rains.  I've sent off black avocados sticks to the U. of Florida tissue lab analysis services and those folks are excellent.  Also, there are quite a few products that nail phytophora as a soil drench and or leaf spray.  Magnabon CS2005 is one of them.  It's a systemic.  Frank Miele is from your neck of the woods and developed it.  It's also OMRI certified if you happen to roll that way.
...
No offence taken Mark and rest assured, I will always take advice and feedback from experienced folks, even when not delivered as nicely as you do :)

This tree is one of two I had and used to be a Lula before I grafted it to Oro Negro (scions from Carlos) a few years ago.  I have seen it drop leaves but this looks different. It is over the entire tree with complete die back of limbs after the leaves drop.  The fruits are wrinkled and seem to be drying out.  Here are a few pictures.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/eXoc7z/IMG_20180901_121653579.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eXoc7z) (https://thumb.ibb.co/cZjH7z/IMG_20180901_121659665.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cZjH7z) (https://thumb.ibb.co/iUkDfK/IMG_20180901_121705092.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iUkDfK) (https://thumb.ibb.co/fDXFue/IMG_20180901_121723983.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fDXFue)

This other one below, I fear may be the future of this tree.  It was a vigorous productive Monroe (at least so I thought) that was knocked down by two storms, propped back up both times, and it looked like it was coming back.  Then started deteriorating just the same way the Oro negro is now.  It is dead now and I will take a chain saw to it soon.  I will leave a stump in the off chance that I am wrong and it is not dead.

(https://thumb.ibb.co/fqTzLK/IMG_20180901_121804112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fqTzLK)


I am trying whatever I can to save the tree, sentimental reasons (first successful graft ever).  However, I am looking at the silver lining, if this dies, I will have space for one of the many plants in my seedling areas in need of a spot in the yard.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: palmcity on September 02, 2018, 12:06:26 PM
Over 5 years ago I first noticed avocado die back in trees near my property that jumped houses to hit the next tree.

Carlos seems to be the expert of transmission/organisms infecting/contributing to the die back. Reading his comments would be best but I will give my limited experience.

A few years ago I had similar die back of a Simmonds avocado. It started after the death of many trees on my street. I used imidacloprid spraying tree trunk and pouring some in soil around the roots. I also used the strongest/longest lasting available (ornamental) insecticide available to spray the limbs of the tree. I sprayed copper on the tree. I also fertilized soil and sprayed minerals on limbs to encourage new growth. I decided I would use it as an ornamental tree if it fruited the next year. I continued using imidacloprid/copper/ornamental insecticides for a year and it did grow, fruit, and started looking healthy. The following year I ceased all insecticide/fungicide sprays except copper... Die back once again appeared and I planted a mango next to it. The simmonds avocado is now dead and the mango next to it is growing good... Good luck with yours, but it was not worth the continual work for me to keep my infected avocado tree alive.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: pineislander on September 02, 2018, 05:44:37 PM
Sorry to post this in more than one place but I need t maximise my chances of getting someone to see this and hopefully have a solution.
I have a dying avocado.
Tree is in Florida, in full sun, an Oro Negro.  We have had a mix of heavy rain with periods of dry and very hot conditions.
I had a couple of avocado trees where the leaves did that after flooding, leaves wilted and didn't drop off. The few that died were on larger mounds than I would have put them but still the saturated soil got a few. I see your trees aren't on mounds, could they have seen standing water at some point this summer? You folks are nearly 10" above normal rainfall for the year.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on September 02, 2018, 08:53:47 PM
It definitely looks like a ROOT problem.
Evidently roots can't absorb water/nutrients and this brings all the symptoms you see on the tree.
Success/failure of any tree is mainly under the ground and this is particularly true for avocado.
I'd try to dig a litle bit in several spots at different distance around the tree trunk to visually inspect the status of the roots.
Ideally you should find a thick net of thousands of healthy white/creamy coloured feeding roots.
If they are not present or they are dark brown/black then you should start to worry A LOT....
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on October 11, 2018, 12:30:57 AM
Insignificant relative to most updates here, but monumental to myself -- today I tasted my first personally home-grown avocado.  It's from a several year old Fuerte tree that I planted in a plastic wine barrel container of around 40-gal.  This was the first year the tree set fruit and held onto some of them -- specifically two avocados.  This one just ripened up and dropped to the ground either today or yesterday (not sure which).  I wasn't expecting ripened avocados until next year, but I really haven't checked what to expect.  This avocado was about 5 ounce, and while it wasn't the best I've had, it was actually quite creamy and tasty.  I can tell this fruit was a bit sub-optimal, but it's still far better than anything I've had from the store in recent months.  I've got one more hanging on the tree, which I expect will be a better specimen; larger at least.  I'm super excited to have grown one of these, if only the one or two, after so many years struggling to bring fruit to bear on an avocado tree that is container bound in our Northern CA climate.  I'm ready to celebrate.

Here are some pics of the tree with the fruit a month back and what it looks like on the cutting board:

(https://i.postimg.cc/BPHVB834/20180906_185544.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BPHVB834)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4mRMN1vd/20181010_211244.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mRMN1vd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jC7mb17m/20181010_211521.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jC7mb17m)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: johnb51 on October 11, 2018, 09:07:25 AM
Doesn't look at all like a Fuerte.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on October 11, 2018, 10:52:41 AM
Kinda looks like Mexicola Grande but diffidently a mexican variety.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 11, 2018, 11:41:17 AM
Definitely pure mexican and not fuerte.  Good job!  Those are good avos for northern CA.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on October 11, 2018, 02:23:32 PM
Wow, I'm sure embarrassed.  When I planted three Avocado trees years back, I had two type-A (Bacon and Mexicola) + one type-b Furte.  I intended to plant the Furte in between the two Type-A trees.  This middle tree always showed the most growth and height by at least a factor of 50%.  So I've had it in my mind that this tree is a Furte for many years.  But this definitely is not Furte fruit, and it definitely is a Mexicola with the thin anise flavored skin.  I think the tree to the left of it must be the Furte, and that tree is holding one single Green, slightly variegated in green/yellow color avocado.  I think the tree to the right must be my Bacon, which didn't set any fruit this year.  So Furte is supposed to be far superior in taste/consistency to Mexicola, which means I was tasting the lesser specimen.  That, at least, is good news. :)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 11, 2018, 02:47:58 PM
Fuerte has spekkles on the wood.  Bacon had larger more robust leaves.  If you post photos it should be easy to tell whats what.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on October 11, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Hi Brad, here are some pics of the three trees.  I may have posted one or more of these before.  I now believe left to right these are: Fuerte, Mexicola, Bacon.
Thanks!


(https://i.postimg.cc/GTF6JHFv/20171101-094254-resized.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GTF6JHFv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rK9vDRFk/20180212-090933.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rK9vDRFk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Fdc6N7nw/20180212-090940.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Fdc6N7nw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QHjzZNgn/20180212-090949.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QHjzZNgn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qzQ5JfjB/20180212-090957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzQ5JfjB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9zdkkw97/20180219-005428.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9zdkkw97)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: IndigoEmu on October 12, 2018, 09:27:12 AM
Does anybody have any experience with fruiting/ripening/taste of Lila and Winter Mexican avocados in Central Florida? Chose these two because they *should* handle even our coldest winters without issue. From the very few reports Iíve read fruit quality is at least decent...but again, not a lot of information out there.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on October 18, 2018, 04:33:14 PM
I was on a trip this past weekend in the Pacific Northwest (CA), and I ran into an Avocado tree in front of a local bakery in the heart of the Ocean peninsula town of Mendocino, CA.  I'm always happy to see random Avocado trees in public.  Here're a couple pics.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0Mj0cGJk/20181013-172755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0Mj0cGJk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3SQQmxz/20181013-172708.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3SQQmxz)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on October 18, 2018, 05:49:29 PM
I was on a trip this past weekend in the Pacific Northwest (CA), and I ran into an Avocado tree in front of a local bakery in the heart of the Ocean peninsula town of Mendocino, CA.  I'm always happy to see random Avocado trees in public.  Here're a couple pics.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0Mj0cGJk/20181013-172755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0Mj0cGJk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3SQQmxz/20181013-172708.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3SQQmxz)

Oh, I think I may have seen this tree before! My wife and I go out to fort bragg and the botanical gardens frequently and have stopped and toured that area a couple of times.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: z_willus_d on October 18, 2018, 10:43:56 PM
Very cool Kris.  We love that area, and spend much time there when we have it.  Coastal Redwoods are inimitable.  I didn't see any fruit on the tree, so I guess the owners know what they're doing (or maybe it's too foggy to fruit much).
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 22, 2018, 10:30:09 AM
Heres some stewart avocados next to lamb hass.  The stewarts are really nice avocados and only take 6 or 7 months to mature.  The lamb hass had an extra year on the tree.  Lamb hass season is from mid summer until fall.  Stewart is now during fall.  The stewarts get ripe and fall off the tree which is not great.  Animals get them if you don't go collect them often.  These stewarts are so much better than mexicola, I am going to dig out my mexicola tree and make mulch out of it.

Lamb hass on top, stewart on bottom
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1902/45430211552_03973a74af_b.jpg)


Stewarts cut open
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1955/44756545554_8f04ee91ee_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on October 22, 2018, 10:44:15 AM
Brad, why don't you top work your mexicola to Stewart! Nice avo's i love Stewart 8)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on October 22, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
Nice to hear that you prefer the stewart over mexicola. I expect mine to do better than my other two trees as it's my most cold hardy variety. How heavily does it produce, and do you know if it's alternate bearing?
My wife was trying to talk me in to planting a mexicola because she had one and liked it and I don't want to plant another tree... haha.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 22, 2018, 10:59:27 AM
Brad, why don't you top work your mexicola to Stewart! Nice avo's i love Stewart 8)

Even though stewart is a nice avocado, it doesnt really perform well here.  Its not a vigorous tree and suffers in the intense heat here.  Its nice to eat this time of year when most stuff is out of season, thats about it.  Doubful I would be able to market these.  They have a very short season and short shelf life.  So one tree for the family is good. I will be planting more lamb hass trees.

I considered stumping the mexicola and grafting onto it but feel its better to remove it completely and start with a freshly grafted rootstock and completely eliminate the interstock.  The tree is still young enough the stump should be able to be removed.

Ive got a new mexicola grande tree I grafted this summer and planted out a couple months ago.  It is doing really well so far.  Very upright and vigorous.   Too soon to call it a success.  Probably get some fruit off it in 2020.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 22, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
Nice to hear that you prefer the stewart over mexicola. I expect mine to do better than my other two trees as it's my most cold hardy variety. How heavily does it produce, and do you know if it's alternate bearing?
My wife was trying to talk me in to planting a mexicola because she had one and liked it and I don't want to plant another tree... haha.

Stewart sets and holds a lot of avos.  No its not alternate bearing, the fruit are only on the tree half a year so it can fruit every year and not get bogged down with last years fruit.  It will grow better if you thin the fruit.  Its one of the trees that fruits so hard it doesn't spend enough time actually growing.

One thing I really dont like about this tree is the fruit gets ripe really fast and falls off the tree.  They go from green to black in a few weeks then end up on the ground where animals and birds get them.  You have to take the fruit on its schedule not yours. 
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on October 22, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
I don't have to many animals I'd be worried about eating avocados.
My Lamb Hass seems to be growing the best out of all of mine. They're all still in pots... I'm sure they're all going to take off when planted this spring.
What would you recommend for spacing for these trees? I plan on putting them all in a corner of my yard and planting them as close as possible. (Lamb-Hass, Holiday, Stewart, and the future GEM)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 22, 2018, 11:40:57 AM
I don't have to many animals I'd be worried about eating avocados.
My Lamb Hass seems to be growing the best out of all of mine. They're all still in pots... I'm sure they're all going to take off when planted this spring.
What would you recommend for spacing for these trees? I plan on putting them all in a corner of my yard and planting them as close as possible. (Lamb-Hass, Holiday, Stewart, and the future GEM)

Thought you had a lot of rodents?

I would put them at 10ft space at least.  8ft would be absolute minimum.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: zephian on October 22, 2018, 11:55:25 AM
I wander around my yard every night so shouldn't be a problem to have fruit that fall of when ready. I'm only on about a quarter of an acre so it's not a real chore for me to check.
Rodents are bad in my fenced off garden, though not too bad lately. Think I've got them mostly exterminated. The avocado trees will go in the corner my dog likes to hang out in, hopefully that will help. 10ft is what I'll probably end up doing.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 22, 2018, 02:07:23 PM
I wander around my yard every night so shouldn't be a problem to have fruit that fall of when ready. I'm only on about a quarter of an acre so it's not a real chore for me to check.
Rodents are bad in my fenced off garden, though not too bad lately. Think I've got them mostly exterminated. The avocado trees will go in the corner my dog likes to hang out in, hopefully that will help. 10ft is what I'll probably end up doing.

You might get lucky and the cooler fall weather up there will make them hang longer and not fall off so quick.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Luisport on October 23, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
Hello everyone! I nead one advice regarding the most cold hardy, best tasting and prolific avocado? Maby stewart, pinkerton or another one? Thank's!  ;D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 24, 2018, 12:56:38 PM
Heres a lamb hass next to stewart.  The lamb is really superior in every way.  The only thing stewart has going for it over lamb is that it ripens in 6 months instead of 12 to 18.  The lamb tree is really vigorous, heat and salt tolerant, heavy producing.  This is a really good avocado to grow.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1959/30597797857_baa6426773_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 30, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
Heres a lamb hass next to stewart.  The lamb is really superior in every way.  The only thing stewart has going for it over lamb is that it ripens in 6 months instead of 12 to 18.  The lamb tree is really vigorous, heat and salt tolerant, heavy producing.  This is a really good avocado to grow.

Wow, beautiful fruit, speaking of which....

Recent grafts of Lamb Hass, Pinkerton and Sharwil on shoots that came up from a frozen Oro Negro stump.  This Frankencado is about 4' tall now.  I expect it to go dormant soon with the colder weather.

(https://i.postimg.cc/qNJnN8r4/Frankencado-Oct30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNJnN8r4)

New GEM grafts:

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgyLnS3w/GEMOct30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgyLnS3w)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: ScottR on October 30, 2018, 11:08:23 AM
Nice work Mark, your tree's are returning nicely wishing you the best growth ;) 8)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 30, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
Mark, are you growing stewart, can't remember if you got that one growing?  I think Im going to yank mine.  Its a good fruit but they fall off and the tops of the fruit all crack.  Then they fall off and fire ants and rodents start eating them.  Its pretty annoying.  Heres some that fell today.  Ants were eating them where they are cracked and a mouse ate one of them. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ty8QNy6d/20181030-094517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ty8QNy6d)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: venturabananas on October 30, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
Brad, what should a Stewart look like when it is prime for harvest?  I have my first, very small, crop this year.  Should it have a little bit of black on the skin, or be completely black?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 30, 2018, 02:45:01 PM
Brad, what should a Stewart look like when it is prime for harvest?  I have my first, very small, crop this year.  Should it have a little bit of black on the skin, or be completely black?  Thanks.

All black. 

You can let them get all black and pick or let them fall off.  They will not get over ripe, they just fall off the tree when ready.  At least thats what happens here.  Theres a few pics of them on this page I posted.  Thats how they come off the tree, black as night.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Luisport on October 30, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
I want to hask if some one can send me good variety cold hardy avocado seeds. I tried to buy trees from US but it wasn't possible. Thank you very much!   ;D
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: venturabananas on October 30, 2018, 03:32:46 PM
Brad, what should a Stewart look like when it is prime for harvest?  I have my first, very small, crop this year.  Should it have a little bit of black on the skin, or be completely black?  Thanks.

All black. 

You can let them get all black and pick or let them fall off.  They will not get over ripe, they just fall off the tree when ready.  At least thats what happens here.  Theres a few pics of them on this page I posted.  Thats how they come off the tree, black as night.

Thanks for the response.  I guess I'll have to wait longer.  Even the fully shaded fruit get all black on the tree?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on October 30, 2018, 04:35:17 PM
Heres a lamb hass next to stewart.  The lamb is really superior in every way.  The only thing stewart has going for it over lamb is that it ripens in 6 months instead of 12 to 18.  The lamb tree is really vigorous, heat and salt tolerant, heavy producing.  This is a really good avocado to grow.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1959/30597797857_baa6426773_b.jpg)

Brad, i'm starting to get intereste in Lamb Hass variety, do you think it would grow and fruit in my climate?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 30, 2018, 06:32:34 PM
Heres a lamb hass next to stewart.  The lamb is really superior in every way.  The only thing stewart has going for it over lamb is that it ripens in 6 months instead of 12 to 18.  The lamb tree is really vigorous, heat and salt tolerant, heavy producing.  This is a really good avocado to grow.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1959/30597797857_baa6426773_b.jpg)

Brad, i'm starting to get intereste in Lamb Hass variety, do you think it would grow and fruit in my climate?

I have no idea Lory.  Maybe since people are growing it in Hawaii.  The guys in hawaii on this forum would know best.  Some guy is buying scions from me to start a farm in the philippines.  He has been buying hass and reed sticks.  Im not even sure hass will grow there.  Never been to the philippenes, if its like florida you probably need the west indian watercados.  Do you know if people grow hass there?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 30, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
Nice work Mark, your tree's are returning nicely wishing you the best growth ;) 8)

Thanks Scott!  Have done 85 grafts this year, most on established greenhouse in ground trees.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on October 30, 2018, 08:04:16 PM
Mark, are you growing stewart, can't remember if you got that one growing?  I think Im going to yank mine.  Its a good fruit but they fall off and the tops of the fruit all crack.  Then they fall off and fire ants and rodents start eating them.  Its pretty annoying.  Heres some that fell today.  Ants were eating them where they are cracked and a mouse ate one of them. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ty8QNy6d/20181030-094517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ty8QNy6d)

All my Stewart grafts failed....I'm cursed.  Not that I care, thanks to "some" nice SoCal gentleman I've got better things going on.

I agree, kick the losers to the curb.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: alangr088 on October 30, 2018, 11:25:01 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8/02-D8-E3-F6-6-D84-4-DD4-BE0-F-E94183-FC42-C6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8)

My Sharwil is in the beginning stages of flowering
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 30, 2018, 11:50:29 PM
Brad, what should a Stewart look like when it is prime for harvest?  I have my first, very small, crop this year.  Should it have a little bit of black on the skin, or be completely black?  Thanks.

All black. 

You can let them get all black and pick or let them fall off.  They will not get over ripe, they just fall off the tree when ready.  At least thats what happens here.  Theres a few pics of them on this page I posted.  Thats how they come off the tree, black as night.

Thanks for the response.  I guess I'll have to wait longer.  Even the fully shaded fruit get all black on the tree?

Yeah they turn black even inside the tree.  They will fall off when they are fully ripe.  At least wait until its black if you are going to pick them.  Once they start to ripen up, it happens pretty fast so don't worry if you arent getting action yet.

How far from the ocean are you there?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: venturabananas on October 31, 2018, 01:29:06 AM
Yeah they turn black even inside the tree.  They will fall off when they are fully ripe.  At least wait until its black if you are going to pick them.  Once they start to ripen up, it happens pretty fast so don't worry if you arent getting action yet.

How far from the ocean are you there?

Thanks again.  That's helpful info.  I'm about 3 miles from the ocean and get lots of coastal fog, and then at this time of year, we get some screaming, hot, dry Santa Anas.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Lory on October 31, 2018, 05:14:47 AM
@ Brad
I have a Hass here but it's just a seedling of 4 years old. It's growing nicely but until now no fruits.
Last march it flowered but it was just a couple of them, maybe next year i'll have the answer to my questions.
FOr now I enjoy the only one tree which flowered, a seedling that is giving excellent fruits and that I decided to name MODENA as my hometown.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25353.msg296981#msg296981 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25353.msg296981#msg296981)
Last year it bore just 5 fruits, this year 30+ and they are getting huge, about 1kg each (2.2 lbs)
Right now I'm in Italy, this is a pic sent by my wife in the Philippines




(https://i.postimg.cc/BXFx0Tbp/avocado-modena-2018-10-06.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXFx0Tbp)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: spaugh on October 31, 2018, 09:49:42 AM
Yeah they turn black even inside the tree.  They will fall off when they are fully ripe.  At least wait until its black if you are going to pick them.  Once they start to ripen up, it happens pretty fast so don't worry if you arent getting action yet.

How far from the ocean are you there?

Thanks again.  That's helpful info.  I'm about 3 miles from the ocean and get lots of coastal fog, and then at this time of year, we get some screaming, hot, dry Santa Anas.

Since you are further north and way closer to the ocean its going to take longer for yours to be done.  Probably give in another month or two.  Post back and let us know.  I bet yours end up hanging a lot longer as they will be hitting maturation during the colder months.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Bush2Beach on October 31, 2018, 12:45:58 PM
Avocado or Aguacate , Avo or cado.
Avo has been slang for a long time now, an add on to your sandwich, Burrito, salad .... Whatever, It's understood " Add Avo PLease"
" Side of Avo please" . It rolls off your tounge and is a pleasant abbreviation.
Living in ground zero for slang creation , new words for old things are not uncommon. I can't recall a slang word I have less fondness for than 'cado. It sound's ....bad, like it's made up by people who dislike vegetables and fruit in general . My redneck family member's would have a hard time pronouncing Avocado or Avo without feeling silly, but I know they are comfortable with the rough and tumble 'cado, whatever the hell that is. " I got some "cado here , you want some?" . No, I do not. It sounds like fried alligator entrails and no one know's what your talking about in not a good way. Avocado is a most highly revered fruit for many people's , unduplicatable in it's content and unique all the way around. Thus as it was debated over 100 years ago , Avocado or Aguacate, the made up word , Avocado won out and hence we face this great debate of minor importance to those whose diet and livelihood do not depend on it, but this is serious fruit business.  8) :P  ;)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 01, 2018, 10:04:57 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8/02-D8-E3-F6-6-D84-4-DD4-BE0-F-E94183-FC42-C6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8)

My Sharwil is in the beginning stages of flowering

Nice!

Ribbit (sharwil fruit on the left)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2L4t9ZmD/Froggie-Friend.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2L4t9ZmD)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: alangr088 on November 01, 2018, 11:28:28 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8/02-D8-E3-F6-6-D84-4-DD4-BE0-F-E94183-FC42-C6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8)

My Sharwil is in the beginning stages of flowering

Nice!

Ribbit (sharwil fruit on the left)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2L4t9ZmD/Froggie-Friend.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2L4t9ZmD)

Very nice!
I have a lizard friend that lives on my Reed tree. Not too sure if thatís a good thing or a bad thing.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mc983bcV/02-F89895-303-A-4-B77-9-B9-C-4674-E8-FB00-B6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mc983bcV)
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: CA Hockey on November 02, 2018, 02:25:59 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8/02-D8-E3-F6-6-D84-4-DD4-BE0-F-E94183-FC42-C6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jW3JYbY8)

My Sharwil is in the beginning stages of flowering
Do they typically start flowering at this time? Iíve got to check on mine but they are both recovering from the ides of july🤯
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: alangr088 on November 02, 2018, 11:51:31 PM

I am not too sure. I always thought all avocados flowered around spring time.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Wenz on November 03, 2018, 12:06:02 AM
hii..
greeting from tropical country
i started to collect many avocado variety, i hope most of them can grow well in my country..

I'm interested with this avocado, anyone know what variety it is? its daily 11 or something else?
 thanks.. best regard
(https://i.postimg.cc/1gQx4srC/Cos0-Lg-VUEAEm-ZWj.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gQx4srC)

Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: venturabananas on November 04, 2018, 01:18:23 AM
Yeah they turn black even inside the tree.  They will fall off when they are fully ripe.  At least wait until its black if you are going to pick them.  Once they start to ripen up, it happens pretty fast so don't worry if you arent getting action yet.

How far from the ocean are you there?

Thanks again.  That's helpful info.  I'm about 3 miles from the ocean and get lots of coastal fog, and then at this time of year, we get some screaming, hot, dry Santa Anas.

Since you are further north and way closer to the ocean its going to take longer for yours to be done.  Probably give in another month or two.  Post back and let us know.  I bet yours end up hanging a lot longer as they will be hitting maturation during the colder months.

I'll report back.  I figured they'd ripen later than yours.  We'll see how much later.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mango Stein on November 09, 2018, 12:15:07 AM
I have some healthy seedlings growing on a raised mound. The mound is only 15 inches tall, the seedlings are perhaps 20 inches tall (being 1 year old).
Recently, I found out that the reason avocadoes fail is because once their taproot hits clay, it is only a matter of time until it gets root rot. I really needed a taller mound to avoid this problem. Should I risk trying to elevate the mound? Or will the seedlings likely get serious damage. How deep would taproot be at one year old?
Title: Re: Avocado thread
Post by: Mark in Texas on November 10, 2018, 08:15:56 AM
I have some healthy seedlings growing on a raised mound. The mound is only 15 inches tall, the seedlings are perhaps 20 inches tall (being 1 year old).
Recently, I found out that the reason avocadoes fail is because once their taproot hits clay, it is only a matter of time until it gets root rot. I really needed a taller mound to avoid this problem. Should I risk trying to elevate the mound? Or will the seedlings likely get serious damage. How deep would taproot be at one year old?


Avocados don't need a taproot.  The Japanese intentionally terminate it in favor of a fibrous and wide but shallow root system.  (I do the same with Rootbuilder).  The production is unreal.  Check out these Pinkertons. 

Page 28 for pix of the setup.  http://htfg.org/conferences/2016/2016_JohnYoshimiYonemoto_GrowingandHarvestingtheBestAvocados.pdf (http://htfg.org/conferences/2016/2016_JohnYoshimiYonemoto_GrowingandHarvestingtheBestAvocados.pdf)

Edited out the Christmas card, sorry!   ;D