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Title: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Mikey on November 18, 2017, 04:08:45 PM
I had nothing to do today so i went to ongs nursery and found his Lisa Atemoya.  He has Lisa in a yellow collor and this color.  I dont know if they are the same kind.  Maybe whrn it is imature it is dark and when it mature it turns yellow. 

Are there different Lisa Atemoya?  I see some that are pink in the forum.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/tq970rxk5/41_EB91_E7-3365-4747-86_C5-518481_E1_D795.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tq970rxk5/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/oeuag1w1x/A7_FD9_E8_B-259_E-4_ED9-_AF06-2_D3_BBB1_DF6_B2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oeuag1w1x/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/7tr9eczj9/CC4_A8_FBF-34_EF-432_D-_A96_C-7718_ABC68_A02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7tr9eczj9/)
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: 9B in Brazil on November 18, 2017, 04:14:24 PM
They start off green and get yellow when ripe.  The pink color is noted more in the spaces between segments. 
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Guayaba on November 19, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
I had nothing to do today so i went to ongs nursery and found his Lisa Atemoya.  He has Lisa in a yellow collor and this color.  I dont know if they are the same kind.  Maybe whrn it is imature it is dark and when it mature it turns yellow. 

Are there different Lisa Atemoya?  I see some that are pink in the forum.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/tq970rxk5/41_EB91_E7-3365-4747-86_C5-518481_E1_D795.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tq970rxk5/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/oeuag1w1x/A7_FD9_E8_B-259_E-4_ED9-_AF06-2_D3_BBB1_DF6_B2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oeuag1w1x/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/7tr9eczj9/CC4_A8_FBF-34_EF-432_D-_A96_C-7718_ABC68_A02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7tr9eczj9/)

The Lisa with the purple/black edges is one of my favorite Annonas to look at!  I have to remind myself to get a scion of that just for the color of the fruit.  Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Guanabanus on November 19, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
I did the hybridizing of the 'Lisa' (48---26) when I worked at Zill's.

I don't recognize that third picture.
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: gozp on November 19, 2017, 10:30:06 PM
Super lisa  onthe rmiddle right...

( la habra sun, pierce, campas)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/chqb0hmkl/20171117_171150.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/chqb0hmkl/)



(https://s18.postimg.cc/mf1btk1w5/20171119_185619.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mf1btk1w5/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/cj08tbvxx/20171119_185727.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cj08tbvxx/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/o848hb2c5/20171119_190032.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o848hb2c5/)

Seeds are quite has the size.

This super Lisa had the texture of a caimito but chewy.. to me it tasted like complex sweet lychee... veery delicious.. would like to thank the Professor. :)
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Guayaba on November 19, 2017, 11:09:58 PM
I did the hybridizing of the 'Lisa' (48---26) when I worked at Zill's.

I don't recognize that third picture.

This is the picture of "Lisa" that Ong's uses on their website http://www.ongnursery.com/atemoya.htm (http://www.ongnursery.com/atemoya.htm) and I think I remember seeing it at the nursery too. It will be interesting to see what it actually is, given that the creator of Lisa finds that it is not Lisa.  ???
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Guayaba on November 19, 2017, 11:13:24 PM
Super lisa  onthe rmiddle right...

( la habra sun, pierce, campas)
(https://s18.postimg.cc/chqb0hmkl/20171117_171150.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/chqb0hmkl/)



(https://s18.postimg.cc/mf1btk1w5/20171119_185619.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mf1btk1w5/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/cj08tbvxx/20171119_185727.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/cj08tbvxx/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/o848hb2c5/20171119_190032.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o848hb2c5/)

Seeds are quite has the size.

This super Lisa had the texture of a caimito but chewy.. to me it tasted like complex sweet lychee... veery delicious.. would like to thank the Professor. :)

Nice harvest of Annonas!  I can't wait till my Birula (Super Lisa) fruits.  Hopefully next year!
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Mikey on November 20, 2017, 12:35:52 AM
I did the hybridizing of the 'Lisa' (48---26) when I worked at Zill's.

I don't recognize that third picture.

I do not know why he called it lisa?  It doesnt look like JFs Lisa.  The immature fruit has a dark tone like it was black.  I even try to rube off the powder and it was still a dark green.  His trees are Large and he sells his 15 gallons for 375 dollars.  i have not taste them yet but will in the spring.  Ong will also let me try their red atemoya and claim it is not a 4718.

Below are the Lisa atemoya that his niece are holding.  This is also from his website.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/icew7tk6d/139_D79_FD-_EC9_B-426_F-8625-976_E58198276.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/icew7tk6d/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/fibqudaad/D1321_BEC-54_C0-4_EEC-_B352-061_FCAB21739.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fibqudaad/)
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: JF on November 20, 2017, 12:55:19 AM
This is Birula it is no longer known as Super Lisa

(https://s17.postimg.cc/6tpo042mj/IMG_5277.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6tpo042mj/)

(https://s17.postimg.cc/mrydq9rpn/IMG_5366.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mrydq9rpn/)
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Mikey on November 20, 2017, 04:43:13 AM
Jf,

Does ongs lisa looks like the typical lisa?  I mean the kids holding the atemoya, do the lisa atemoya look normal?
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: JF on November 21, 2017, 03:36:14 PM
Jf,

Does ongs lisa looks like the typical lisa?  I mean the kids holding the atemoya, do the lisa atemoya look normal?

Yea it has some resemblance of Lisa like my Birula. Quand calls it Lisa so you have to believe him but $375 for a 15 gallon is outrageous
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: spaugh on November 21, 2017, 04:14:30 PM
That is pretty steep.  Atkins has african prides 15 gal nice trees for 75$
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Guanabanus on November 21, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
Perhaps that blackening is due to some local condition.
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Brandon909 on November 21, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
That is pretty steep.  Atkins has african prides 15 gal nice trees for 75$
wow that's a good price I've been looking for African pride. Where's Atkins at?
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: spaugh on November 21, 2017, 09:20:35 PM
3129 Reche Rd, Fallbrook, CA 92028

They had a lot of nice looking african prides and other cherimoyas and avocados citrus etc.  Its more of a grove supplier than a boutiqe nursery.   I put one of the african prides in next to my cherimoyas.
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: dragon on November 21, 2017, 09:52:34 PM


Yea it has some resemblance of Lisa like my Birula. Quand calls it Lisa so you have to believe him but $375 for a 15 gallon is outrageous
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$375 is kind of average price at his nursery. You will fall off the chair to see the price tag of phetpakchong $1,200.
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: marklee on November 21, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
One think about Ongs that is different from other nurseries is he doesn't put a 5 gallon plant in a 15 gallon container. He is honest and he has the most diverse plants for sale. 40 varieties of Wax Jambu!Go up to California Tropicals in Vista and you'll see some pretty high prices. I saw a 45 gallon Chico for $4000. The guys that import some of the rare items have to pay quite a bit and then if the inspector from the AG dept. sees one illegal (hitchhiker) bug then everything within 15 feet has to be destroyed. Also it takes years to grow some of these sub-tropicals up to a size that customers want.
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: dragon on November 21, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
One think about Ongs that is different from other nurseries is he doesn't put a 5 gallon plant in a 15 gallon container. He is honest and he has the most diverse plants for sale. 40 varieties of Wax Jambu!Go up to California Tropicals in Vista and you'll see some pretty high prices. I saw a 45 gallon Chico for $4000. The guys that import some of the rare items have to pay quite a bit and then if the inspector from the AG dept. sees one illegal (hitchhiker) bug then everything within 15 feet has to be destroyed. Also it takes years to grow some of these sub-tropicals up to a size that customers want.

He also has good customer service skills that sometimes make me forget the price until I came home  and looked back at the price tag and wondered why I bought it so high .



Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Mikey on November 22, 2017, 12:43:18 AM
He now sales his 15gallon phet pakchong for $375.  His wife told me in the begining the Phet pakchong was really expensive because it was hard to import.   

Now you can get a three gallons of the phet pakchong for 75 bucks but not from Ong.

Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: dragon on November 22, 2017, 01:53:56 AM
He now sales his 15gallon phet pakchong for $375.  His wife told me in the begining the Phet pakchong was really expensive because it was hard to import.   

Now you can get a three gallons of the phet pakchong for 75 bucks but not from Ong.

Yup, more than a year ago , this variety was not cheap like now . I should have waited...
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Guayaba on November 22, 2017, 07:29:42 AM
I did the hybridizing of the 'Lisa' (48---26) when I worked at Zill's.

I don't recognize that third picture.

I do not know why he called it lisa?  It doesnt look like JFs Lisa.  The immature fruit has a dark tone like it was black.  I even try to rube off the powder and it was still a dark green.  His trees are Large and he sells his 15 gallons for 375 dollars.  i have not taste them yet but will in the spring.  Ong will also let me try their red atemoya and claim it is not a 4718.

Below are the Lisa atemoya that his niece are holding.  This is also from his website.
(https://s18.postimg.cc/icew7tk6d/139_D79_FD-_EC9_B-426_F-8625-976_E58198276.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/icew7tk6d/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/fibqudaad/D1321_BEC-54_C0-4_EEC-_B352-061_FCAB21739.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fibqudaad/)
Id like to try the Lisa at Ongs too, especially before buying one. Many of their Atemoyas ripen in January. Did they say that Lisa would not be ready until spring, or is that a good time for this variety?
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Brandon909 on November 22, 2017, 02:27:48 PM
3129 Reche Rd, Fallbrook, CA 92028

They had a lot of nice looking african prides and other cherimoyas and avocados citrus etc.  Its more of a grove supplier than a boutiqe nursery.   I put one of the african prides in next to my cherimoyas.
Thanks spaugh I'll check them out next week
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: JF on November 22, 2017, 03:25:57 PM
I may have 7 gallon
Birula
La Habra sun
LH Prolific
LH blanc
Anona rosada
In summer check in May
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Brandon909 on November 22, 2017, 06:58:54 PM
I may have 7 gallon
Birula
La Habra sun
LH Prolific
LH blanc
Anona rosada
In summer check in May
does the anona Rosada grow well in southern California? Some people say it does and some disagree
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Brandon909 on November 22, 2017, 07:01:49 PM
I'll be interested in the la habra sun and anona Rosada put me on your list lol
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: JF on November 22, 2017, 07:22:47 PM
I may have 7 gallon
Birula
La Habra sun
LH Prolific
LH blanc
Anona rosada
In summer check in May
does the anona Rosada grow well in southern California? Some people say it does and some disagree
(https://s17.postimg.cc/x949l9niz/IMG_8974_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x949l9niz/)

(https://s17.postimg.cc/mmagfuut7/IMG_8991_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mmagfuut7/)
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Brandon909 on November 22, 2017, 07:40:01 PM
I may have 7 gallon
Birula
La Habra sun
LH Prolific
LH blanc
Anona rosada
In summer check in May
does the anona Rosada grow well in southern California? Some people say it does and some disagree
(https://s17.postimg.cc/x949l9niz/IMG_8974_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x949l9niz/)

(https://s17.postimg.cc/mmagfuut7/IMG_8991_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/mmagfuut7/)
do you sell the fruit?
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: JF on November 22, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
No these are prized fruits for friends & family but Ill have plenty of budwood for sale at the end of February early March
Title: Re: lisa Atemoya
Post by: Brandon909 on November 22, 2017, 11:30:30 PM
Alright thanks JF