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Title: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: SWRancher on September 17, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
I have been picking Sapodilla fruit off my Alano tree since late last winter including a few just today. The tree still has lots of new bloom and various sizes of developing fruit on it. One thing I have noticed is the late summer/fall fruit appear to be more thin and long versus the spring/early summer fruit that were almost round. Needless to say...I'm real happy with the tree over the last year its pretty much become an everbearing tree that always has fruit ready to pick. Anyone else have a Sapodilla tree thats bearing this way?   

Tony
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Mike T on September 17, 2012, 03:42:18 PM
My krasuey sapodillas are everbearing with ripe fruit available around 10 months of the year.Both flower prolifically non-stop but my prolific doesn't.The prolific and sawo manila and all the past varieties that got chopped due to their inferiority to the krasueysnhave disgraced themselves.The 2 krasueys are stars of the sapodilla world locally with fruit growers that I marvelling at them.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: BMc on September 17, 2012, 06:34:29 PM
Its amazing that Krasuey is the only sapodilla that isnt propagated and easily available.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: ofdsurfer on September 17, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
My Alano is doing the same thing and I have noticed the same fruit shape differences. My Silas woods has been producing for a few months then taking a few weeks off and starting again for quite a while. The Makok has been done for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: TnTrobbie on September 17, 2012, 10:59:47 PM
SWRancher and ofdsurfer, this is great news. I've got an 6' Alano in ground 1 yr bearing for the first time with 6 immature fruit on it. What's the age and height of your Alano trees? I hope to be enjoying some by Nov/Dec.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bradflorida on September 17, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
Thanks for sharingthr info in your alano.  I bought both alano and makok in hopes that the twonwould compliment ewch with growing seasons.   Maybe i just needed an alano, 

Brad
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: ofdsurfer on September 18, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
All of my sapodilla have been in the ground for almost five years. The Makok and Alano are ten or eleven feet tall and very bushy, the Silas wood is around seven feet and nowhere near as bushy, it does however produce larger fruit for the most part. 
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: SWRancher on September 18, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
SWRancher and ofdsurfer, this is great news. I've got an 6' Alano in ground 1 yr bearing for the first time with 6 immature fruit on it. What's the age and height of your Alano trees? I hope to be enjoying some by Nov/Dec.


My tree has been in the ground 4 years and the tree is now about 10 feet tall. 
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 18, 2012, 02:18:35 PM
Makok is also an ever-bearing sapodilla and quite precocious as well. Fruit should be thinned to get them to size up. Makok sapodilla and carrie mango seem to be the resident raccoon's favorite fruits (I think he has a bit of a sweet tooth :-).
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bradflorida on September 18, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Thanks Jeff.   Perhaps I have overdone it with two ever bearing sapodillas.  Guess its up to how many inca. Eat :)

Brad
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: j-grow on September 18, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
Would you guys please comment more on the Silas  wood........I have one I have not planted yet and was considering switching to another variety.........size compared to others? Taste compared to others?
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: ofdsurfer on September 19, 2012, 03:32:20 PM
My Silas wood tree is very productive it seems to produce all year long in waves.  The fruit size is larger than my Makok and all but the largest Alano from my trees.  The taste is good but it's almost to sweet for me. It has a good texture being very close to Makok in my opinion.  I personally like Alano a little better but between the Alano and the Silas wood I have had an almost constant supply of fruit.  For the size of the tree it fruits heavier than either the Alano or the Makok at my house.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: VyVy on September 20, 2012, 08:55:26 AM
SWRancher

do you have Alano sapodilla seeds for sale or trade? I would be interested. Thank you
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: murahilin on September 20, 2012, 10:14:02 AM
SWRancher

do you have Alano sapodilla seeds for sale or trade? I would be interested. Thank you

Seeds for rootstock?
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 20, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
I also agree that the Alano has an extended to everbearing fruiting season.  I have also noticed that the "off" season fruit are longer and thinner, like the new iPhone, while the fruit from the heart of growing season are larger and stocky.  I have also noticed the the off season fruit is not as good/sweet as the in season fruit.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: VyVy on September 20, 2012, 12:23:36 PM
SWRancher

do you have Alano sapodilla seeds for sale or trade? I would be interested. Thank you

Seeds for rootstock?

murahilin

i am asking for seeds
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 20, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
SWRancher

do you have Alano sapodilla seeds for sale or trade? I would be interested. Thank you

Seeds for rootstock?

murahilin

i am asking for seeds
I believe he was asking for what purpose are you wanting the seeds.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: pj1881 (Patrick) on September 20, 2012, 12:49:36 PM
Also, before requesting anything from other members it is imperative that you inform us in your profile where you are in the world. 
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: murahilin on September 20, 2012, 04:01:26 PM
SWRancher

do you have Alano sapodilla seeds for sale or trade? I would be interested. Thank you

Seeds for rootstock?

murahilin

i am asking for seeds
I believe he was asking for what purpose are you wanting the seeds.

Yup. I would like to know the purpose because if you are looking for seed for rootstock I may have some sapodilla seeds to share but if you are looking to grow an Alano seedling I wouldn't have any seeds to share.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: VyVy on September 20, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
SWRancher

do you have Alano sapodilla seeds for sale or trade? I would be interested. Thank you

Seeds for rootstock?

murahilin

i am asking for seeds
I believe he was asking for what purpose are you wanting the seeds.

Yup. I would like to know the purpose because if you are looking for seed for rootstock I may have some sapodilla seeds to share but if you are looking to grow an Alano seedling I wouldn't have any seeds to share.

what's the difference between "seed for rootstock" and " "you are looking to grow an Alano seedling ?

sorry for my ignorance. I am so new to growing stuff :)

I want some seeds, so that I can get them germinated and grow into an alona tree
not sure if I made sense here
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Tim on September 20, 2012, 05:39:44 PM
Rootstock is what you grow from seed to use for grafting later on. Similar to the annonas you grafted at Stephen's place, you grafted a scion from a named variety onto your rootstock.

Growing a seedling tree means growing any fruit tree from seed, for the purpose of having a fruit tree later on. But that's pretty much a gamble in most seeds as for fruit production and quality. Makes sense? I sorta?

what's the difference between "seed for rootstock" and " "you are looking to grow an Alano seedling ?
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: VyVy on September 20, 2012, 06:25:40 PM
Rootstock is what you grow from seed to use for grafting later on. Similar to the annonas you grafted at Stephen's place, you grafted a scion from a named variety onto your rootstock.

Growing a seedling tree means growing any fruit tree from seed, for the purpose of having a fruit tree later on. But that's pretty much a gamble in most seeds as for fruit production and quality. Makes sense? I sorta?


crystal clear

thanks Tim

in this case, I want to grow a seed into a tree (not for rootstock)
because beggers cant' be choosers hihihi
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 20, 2012, 07:47:42 PM
Rootstock is what you grow from seed to use for grafting later on. Similar to the annonas you grafted at Stephen's place, you grafted a scion from a named variety onto your rootstock.

Growing a seedling tree means growing any fruit tree from seed, for the purpose of having a fruit tree later on. But that's pretty much a gamble in most seeds as for fruit production and quality. Makes sense? I sorta?


crystal clear

thanks Tim

in this case, I want to grow a seed into a tree (not for rootstock)
because beggers cant' be choosers hihihi
By planting an Alano seed you will not get an Alano tree.  You will invest many years till it fruits which may require the axe.  Based on time vs money, it would be money well spent to buy a grafted 3 gallon.  Just my 2 sapodillas...
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Squam256 on September 20, 2012, 09:50:10 PM

I want some seeds, so that I can get them germinated and grow into an alona tree
not sure if I made sense here

Well then Murahilin does not have any Alano seeds to share. lol
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: VyVy on September 20, 2012, 11:29:24 PM
thanks everyone for your input
It looks like I have a lot to learn :)
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 21, 2012, 10:59:45 AM
Makok would probably be a good one to try to propagate from seed. The makok is super precocious, and that precocity seems to translate over to sexually propagated offspring. My neighbors planted out a makok seedling, and it started to flower within like 3 years at a height of about 5 feet.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: CoPlantNut on September 21, 2012, 12:54:55 PM
I've yet to see the fruit or taste it, but I've been shocked by the precocity of my small grafted Silas Woods.  It's about 6 months post-graft, 18 inches high in a gallon pot, and has 5 flower buds on it now.

   Kevin
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 21, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
Yep. Makok is same. Silas woods is really good: very smooth, white flesh. Growth and production habits seem to be very similar to makok (perhaps silas woods is a makok seedling?).

I've yet to see the fruit or taste it, but I've been shocked by the precocity of my small grafted Silas Woods.  It's about 6 months post-graft, 18 inches high in a gallon pot, and has 5 flower buds on it now.

   Kevin
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 21, 2012, 01:08:01 PM
Makok would probably be a good one to try to propagate from seed. The makok is super precocious, and that precocity seems to translate over to sexually propagated offspring. My neighbors planted out a makok seedling, and it started to flower within like 3 years at a height of about 5 feet.
You say three years from being planted...how many years from seed germination to the point where it was planted out?
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 21, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
In comparing texture, the Silas Woods, Makok, and Alano are all smooth with very low to no stone cell content.

As far as flavor, Silas Woods is the mildest, Makok a little more brown sugar flavor but Alano is by far the sweetest with the most brown sugar flavor.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 21, 2012, 02:10:14 PM
Ahh, I mean 3 years from germination.

Makok would probably be a good one to try to propagate from seed. The makok is super precocious, and that precocity seems to translate over to sexually propagated offspring. My neighbors planted out a makok seedling, and it started to flower within like 3 years at a height of about 5 feet.
You say three years from being planted...how many years from seed germination to the point where it was planted out?
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 21, 2012, 02:11:03 PM
yes, silas woods is my favorite of the 3 rating on flavor only, due to the fact that it's mild.

In comparing texture, the Silas Woods, Makok, and Alano are all smooth with very low to no stone cell content.

As far as flavor, Silas Woods is the mildest, Makok a little more brown sugar flavor but Alano is by far the sweetest with the most brown sugar flavor.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: SWRancher on September 21, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
yes, silas woods is my favorite of the 3 rating on flavor only, due to the fact that it's mild.

In comparing texture, the Silas Woods, Makok, and Alano are all smooth with very low to no stone cell content.

As far as flavor, Silas Woods is the mildest, Makok a little more brown sugar flavor but Alano is by far the sweetest with the most brown sugar flavor.

"Mild?" Lightweight...    Sorry could not resist.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: TnTrobbie on September 21, 2012, 02:46:32 PM
How about the "Brown Sugar" variety. How does it compare taste/texture wise to the rest? Seems like tall trees.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 21, 2012, 03:08:44 PM
How about the "Brown Sugar" variety. How does it compare taste/texture wise to the rest? Seems like tall trees.
Brown Sugar has what I would say is the strongest brown sugar flavor but is also has the highest stone cell or grit content.  If you don't mind the grittiness it is a very good sapodilla.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 21, 2012, 04:21:07 PM
HAHAHAHAH Yah, makok is too much for me :-).

yes, silas woods is my favorite of the 3 rating on flavor only, due to the fact that it's mild.

In comparing texture, the Silas Woods, Makok, and Alano are all smooth with very low to no stone cell content.

As far as flavor, Silas Woods is the mildest, Makok a little more brown sugar flavor but Alano is by far the sweetest with the most brown sugar flavor.

"Mild?" Lightweight...    Sorry could not resist.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Squam256 on September 21, 2012, 09:44:39 PM
Silas Woods is a decent sap but has some serious issues with limb breakage. A grower friend of mine actually replaced all his Silas Woods trees with other cultivars because of this.

Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 21, 2012, 10:55:19 PM
Silas Woods is a decent sap but has some serious issues with limb breakage. A grower friend of mine actually replaced all his Silas Woods trees with other cultivars because of this.
yes, true...if yo thin the fruit it will alleviate the problem and also give you larger sized fruit.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 22, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
Interesting. The only issue I've had with limb breakage has been from the raccoons which absolutely adore the sap's and climb the trees to get at them. They seem to eat about 75% of my makok crop. My wife gets so mad at the raccoons (los mapaches) that she has talked about yanking the makok to spite them :-).

Silas Woods is a decent sap but has some serious issues with limb breakage. A grower friend of mine actually replaced all his Silas Woods trees with other cultivars because of this.
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on September 22, 2012, 05:43:31 PM
Interesting. The only issue I've had with limb breakage has been from the raccoons which absolutely adore the sap's and climb the trees to get at them. They seem to eat about 75% of my makok crop. My wife gets so mad at the raccoons (los mapaches) that she has talked about yanking the makok to spite them :-).

Silas Woods is a decent sap but has some serious issues with limb breakage. A grower friend of mine actually replaced all his Silas Woods trees with other cultivars because of this.

Take a few ripe makok fruits and use them as bait for some traps.  ;D
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: bsbullie on September 22, 2012, 08:57:49 PM
Interesting. The only issue I've had with limb breakage has been from the raccoons which absolutely adore the sap's and climb the trees to get at them. They seem to eat about 75% of my makok crop. My wife gets so mad at the raccoons (los mapaches) that she has talked about yanking the makok to spite them :-).

Silas Woods is a decent sap but has some serious issues with limb breakage. A grower friend of mine actually replaced all his Silas Woods trees with other cultivars because of this.
Cookie Man - do you have a Silas Woods?  Not including storm damage or from human or animal damage, I have only seen limb breakage from actual fruit overload in a Silas Woods.  While Makoks do produce a lot of fruit on each limb, I have seen a lot of Silas Woods producing more.  In any event (whether SW producing more than Makok or vice versa), since I have only seen the limb breakage with a SW, I would have to think that the limbs are just naturally weaker or more brittle in a SW, giving it a more natural tendency to breakage from weight..
Title: Re: Everbearing Sapodilla
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 23, 2012, 01:47:35 PM
Ahh OK. My silas woods trees are in 10 and 15 gal respectively. They seem to produce less than my makok, but perhaps that's just due to being potted. My makok produces gobs of fruit, but the limbs on the makok are like rubber and never break -- except for when mr raccoon comes to enjoy his midnight snack.

Interesting. The only issue I've had with limb breakage has been from the raccoons which absolutely adore the sap's and climb the trees to get at them. They seem to eat about 75% of my makok crop. My wife gets so mad at the raccoons (los mapaches) that she has talked about yanking the makok to spite them :-).

Silas Woods is a decent sap but has some serious issues with limb breakage. A grower friend of mine actually replaced all his Silas Woods trees with other cultivars because of this.
Cookie Man - do you have a Silas Woods?  Not including storm damage or from human or animal damage, I have only seen limb breakage from actual fruit overload in a Silas Woods.  While Makoks do produce a lot of fruit on each limb, I have seen a lot of Silas Woods producing more.  In any event (whether SW producing more than Makok or vice versa), since I have only seen the limb breakage with a SW, I would have to think that the limbs are just naturally weaker or more brittle in a SW, giving it a more natural tendency to breakage from weight..