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Citrus => Cold Hardy Citrus => Topic started by: Zitrusgaertner on August 13, 2018, 11:12:52 AM

Title: Ichanglemons
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on August 13, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
Hi, I have obtained some different(?) types of Ichanglemons. One is marked as "Sebastien" which seems to be a citrusbreeder or a nursery (did not find anything about it, but have a Ichangorange also marked "Sebastien"), one is marked as CRC1512, another 153. Is there any significant difference between these Ichanglemons?
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Ilya11 on August 13, 2018, 01:34:56 PM
Sebastien comes after the first name of Alias from French forum Agrumes Passion.
I tried several Ichang Lemons , but in my climate none was able to survive.
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on August 13, 2018, 01:47:45 PM
Sebastien is a private Citrus-enthusiast?
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Ilya11 on August 13, 2018, 02:22:04 PM
He grows more than 500 different citrus varieties.
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Florian on August 13, 2018, 02:44:15 PM
Is there anything special about Sebastien's Ichang lemon? I wouldn't name a cultivar unless it was different from the others somehow..
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Ilya11 on August 13, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
I guess this name was given by Adavo nursery to define its origin.
Alias has following Ichang Lemons:

Ichang lemon CRC 1215( shangouyan) T R-15°c maturité: qualité: XXXX
Ichang lemon voss R-15°c
Ichang lemon wilsonii R-12°C
Ichang lemon 153 R-12°C

I tried the first three varieties, but none survived for more than three winters
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on August 14, 2018, 06:11:43 AM
Thank you, Ilya. Niels Rodin says, 153 is the best (tasting). I will see, if there is much difference. Now I have all of them  ;)
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: SoCal2warm on August 14, 2018, 10:30:46 PM
Might be interesting to try crossing Ichang lemon with citrumelo.
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Ilya11 on August 15, 2018, 03:57:33 AM
You are almost a visionary ;D
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: SoCal2warm on August 29, 2018, 12:08:20 PM
Thread title: "can you grow citrus in north Carolina?"
Gardenweb
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November‎ ‎13‎, ‎2016‎

I've a crazy gardener friend here in Fayetteville NC

> picture of bowl of lemons <

who has a lemon tree , outside, about 20 years old. She picked bushels of lemons on Thursday and I was the recipient of about 40 lbs of them. They do nothing for overwintering. About 5 years ago I started a baby with some of the yearly stash and it too is outside doing great with no winter protection.
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calamondindave
December‎ ‎14‎, ‎2016

A poster on the Citrus forum says the lemon fruit in the above picture looks exactly like an "Ichang lemon". After googling it, I think it does too. It's pretty cold hardy.
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https://www.houzz.com/discussions/1816729/can-you-grow-citrus-in-north-carolina (https://www.houzz.com/discussions/1816729/can-you-grow-citrus-in-north-carolina)


According to a climate zone map, Fayetteville seems to be right on the border between 8a and 7b.

So that seems to be about the limit of what Ichang lemon can handle in the hot climate of the South.
(Keep in mind North Carolina has a lot more heat than cooler climates further North, so that's certainly going to be helping it grow better and recover more rapidly from any damage)
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: luckycloud on September 02, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
There is a large Ichang lemon tree at the JC Ralston arboretum in Raleigh (either southern 7b or northern 8a). I saw it last week, it's over 10 ft tall. No fruits on it though, but that might be because it's in a pretty shady area of the gardens. https://jcra.ncsu.edu/horticulture/our-plants/plant-mapping.php?serial=3368
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on September 03, 2018, 05:33:17 AM
But "Citrus cavaleriei" is just C. ichangensis' name by Linné. Not Ichanglemon.
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: luckycloud on September 03, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
Weird. The arboretum's page uses the phrase "Ichang lemon": https://jcra.ncsu.edu/horticulture/our-plants/results.php?search=citrus (first result)
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: SoCal2warm on September 04, 2018, 03:42:25 AM
Weird. The arboretum's page uses the phrase "Ichang lemon": https://jcra.ncsu.edu/horticulture/our-plants/results.php?search=citrus (first result)
That picture definitely shows C. ichangensis, rather than the other "Ichang lemon". You can tell by the leaf petioles.

The name "Ichang lemon" is a little bit ambiguous and is sometimes used to refer to C. ichangensis. But of course there's the other Ichang lemon (Shangyuan) which is believed to be a hybrid between C. ichangensis and C. maxima.

In fact, there's no ideal name that exists for this "Ichang lemon" that is entirely exclusive to that variety, for Shangyuan (alternative spelling xiang yuan) also is the name for Chinese citron, an entirely different citrus.
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Ilya11 on September 04, 2018, 06:44:03 AM
In fact, there's no ideal name that exists for this "Ichang lemon" that is entirely exclusive to that variety, for Shangyuan (alternative spelling xiang yuan) also is the name for Chinese citron, an entirely different citrus.
Citrus wilsonii
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on September 04, 2018, 10:49:15 AM
"Weird. The arboretum's page uses the phrase "Ichang lemon": https://jcra.ncsu.edu/horticulture/our-plants/results.php?search=citrus (first result)

and they also write Citrus japonica and show Citrus (Fortunella) hindsii on their pictures. "Ichanglemon" in this case is clearly C. ichangensis not C. wilsonii
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Eclissato on April 14, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
I guess this name was given by Adavo nursery to define its origin.
Alias has following Ichang Lemons:

Ichang lemon CRC 1215( shangouyan) T R-15°c maturité: qualité: XXXX
Ichang lemon voss R-15°c
Ichang lemon wilsonii R-12°C
Ichang lemon 153 R-12°C

I tried the first three varieties, but none survived for more than three winters
what do you mean for qualité XXXX?
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Ilya11 on April 15, 2019, 04:12:50 AM
I guess this name was given by Adavo nursery to define its origin.
Alias has following Ichang Lemons:

Ichang lemon CRC 1215( shangouyan) T R-15°c maturité: qualité: XXXX
Ichang lemon voss R-15°c
Ichang lemon wilsonii R-12°C
Ichang lemon 153 R-12°C

I tried the first three varieties, but none survived for more than three winters
what do you mean for qualité XXXX?
This is how he marks an exceptionally good fruit quality.
Title: Re: Ichanglemons
Post by: Citradia on April 18, 2019, 10:08:37 PM
I’ve been to JC Ralston Arboretum in Raleigh, NC last October.  I saw the fruit on the ichangensis calveleri ( sure I misspelled it) and it was small ( size of my thumb) green,oblong, and did not look like ichangensis that I’ve seen before. The citrumelo they had was full of fruit and Dunstan type. The “citradia “ they had was also full of what I’m pretty sure is Swingle citrumelo fruit. They got the citrus trees from Woodlanders nursery in Aiken, SC. I’ve discussed the fruit discrepancy with the owner of Woodlanders and showed him photos of the mislabeled “citradia “ tree and he agreed that it is Swingle. It’s a beautiful arboretum, but they don’t know cold hardy citrus hybrids; it’s NC which is not citrus territory.