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Title: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 18, 2019, 08:23:16 AM
Anyone have any decent Italian lemon varieties they would like to trade budsticks?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Oolie on April 18, 2019, 03:49:48 PM
I'd love to, as I am sure most of us in the quarantine zone would.

But, well, you understand.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 19, 2019, 08:45:00 AM
Thanks Millet the St Teresa budwood arrived in great shape!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 19, 2019, 08:51:03 AM
Oolie what do you have? I might be interested in buying a few budsticks from you.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 21, 2019, 11:20:12 AM
Monachello lemons no longer available in the US either?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 22, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Here's a list of lemons I'm looking for, any help would be great.

Monachello lemon
Corpaci lemon
Femminello Ovale
Femminello Sfusato
Genoa lemon
Limonero Fino 49
Lunario lemon
Villafranca lemon

Sad part is I had most of these years ago...
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Kelley_GA8a on April 23, 2019, 08:29:46 PM
I should have Genoa budwood for you by the end of summer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hzpCZPCD/AFC6188-C-3-A01-4-ABF-88-AF-009354-E82-CA0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzpCZPCD)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 23, 2019, 09:13:41 PM
Thanks Kelley. I see you have some nice lemon varities.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 25, 2019, 01:52:38 PM
I've been in contact with ivica & am trying to get him posting here. He's a great wealth of lemon knowledge...
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 28, 2019, 08:20:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udtMCxWrqtI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udtMCxWrqtI)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Vlad on April 28, 2019, 11:05:46 PM
Laaz, I thought I was satisfied with my citrus collection until I saw your post. Now I want those varieties also!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: tve on April 28, 2019, 11:50:20 PM
Laaz, I thought I was satisfied with my citrus collection until I saw your post. Now I want those varieties also!
No kidding! What a way to scramble a CCPP order in the last minute!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 29, 2019, 12:15:14 AM
Lmao! Problem is UCR won't release most of them.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: tve on April 29, 2019, 12:42:03 AM
As far as I can tell, that Sfusato Amalfitano is not the "limone pane" that is referenced in the cedro salad post... That huge limone pane seems to be Limone di Procida. The Sfusato Amalfitano is what replaced it commercially, I believe, and it's a "femminello", which I assume means smaller in a male chauvinistic world (unless it refers to a smoother skin)... The search continues...
https://vivaifrappetta.it/prodotto/limone-di-procida/ (https://vivaifrappetta.it/prodotto/limone-di-procida/)

Edit:
I think this shows how confusing the naming is. Here's Amalfi Bread Lemon: https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-bread-lemon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-bread-lemon/) and here's Amalfi Lemon (a much more std lemon): https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-lemon/. (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-lemon/.) Plus for good measure a Femminello Amalfi Lemon (seedless): https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/. (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/.) I still can't tell from that description whether the Amalfi Bread Lemon is really the huge fruit... The description of the Roman Citron https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/roman-citron/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/roman-citron/) seems much closer to what the recipes mention.
Ok, next search is for "howto smuggle lemons into CA"  :o
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 29, 2019, 12:57:38 AM
Italy has many different varieties it's not funny.

https://www.oscartintori.it/categoria-prodotto/serra-degli-agrumi/serra-degli-agrumi-cedri-citrus-medica/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/categoria-prodotto/serra-degli-agrumi/serra-degli-agrumi-cedri-citrus-medica/)

https://www.oscartintori.it/categoria-prodotto/serra-degli-agrumi/serra-degli-agrumi-limoni-citrus-limon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/categoria-prodotto/serra-degli-agrumi/serra-degli-agrumi-limoni-citrus-limon/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: tve on April 29, 2019, 01:05:17 AM
Haha, I edited my post at the same time as you posted  8) Addictive search! But yeah, "it's a mess"...

Edit: looks like the Corsican Citron is the closest match in the UCR Citrus Variety Collection...
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on April 29, 2019, 03:16:02 PM
Laaz, I'm curious, what are you going to do with so many lemon trees?  You will have so many more fruits then you could possibly ever use, or perhaps could ever give away.,
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 29, 2019, 03:18:52 PM
I use lemons on pretty much everything. And here fresh seafood is pretty much the norm as well.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Ilya11 on April 30, 2019, 09:37:39 AM
During the winter- early spring one can buy here these big bumpy lemons from Amalfi region, exceptionally good, moderately soar with sweet albedo.

(https://c.radikal.ru/c39/1904/1a/0b669193b9fe.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://b.radikal.ru/b09/1904/aa/daa3b9466474.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://b.radikal.ru/b18/1904/6b/a32f1079a319.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Moro on April 30, 2019, 09:50:18 AM
Do you the name of that particular lemon cultivar from the Amalfi coast?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on April 30, 2019, 10:11:39 AM
Ilya, I'm waiting for you to send me some seeds...   ;D
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Ilya11 on April 30, 2019, 12:54:51 PM
Do you the name of that particular lemon cultivar from the Amalfi coast?
No, on the price tag it was marked just Italian organic lemons. As you see  on the box it is written that they were packed  in the town of Battipaglia not far from Amalfi coast.
Look like Sfusato Amalfitano lemons.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Ilya11 on April 30, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
Ilya, I'm waiting for you to send me some seeds...   ;D
Yes Sir ;D,
Just need your address by PM.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 04, 2019, 11:00:49 AM
Thanks G (eyeckr) for the budwood.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 05, 2019, 07:33:51 AM
This place has Monachello but doesn't ship & only 15 gal... They must be available in CA.

https://www.urbantreefarm.com/fruit/citrus/citrus-lemon-monachello.html (https://www.urbantreefarm.com/fruit/citrus/citrus-lemon-monachello.html)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 05, 2019, 07:44:20 AM
And Fourwinds had the Villafranca up until a few months ago.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4L5o0Zl1i6IJ:https://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/products/villafranca-lemon-one-year-old-tree+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4L5o0Zl1i6IJ:https://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/products/villafranca-lemon-one-year-old-tree+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Kelley_GA8a on May 05, 2019, 10:41:46 PM
My husband works for Delta - too bad I can’t put it in a suitcase or carry on bag lol
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 08, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
As far as I can tell, that Sfusato Amalfitano is not the "limone pane" that is referenced in the cedro salad post... That huge limone pane seems to be Limone di Procida. The Sfusato Amalfitano is what replaced it commercially, I believe, and it's a "femminello", which I assume means smaller in a male chauvinistic world (unless it refers to a smoother skin)... The search continues...
https://vivaifrappetta.it/prodotto/limone-di-procida/ (https://vivaifrappetta.it/prodotto/limone-di-procida/)

Edit:
I think this shows how confusing the naming is. Here's Amalfi Bread Lemon: https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-bread-lemon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-bread-lemon/) and here's Amalfi Lemon (a much more std lemon): https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-lemon/. (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/amalfi-lemon/.) Plus for good measure a Femminello Amalfi Lemon (seedless): https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/. (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/.) I still can't tell from that description whether the Amalfi Bread Lemon is really the huge fruit... The description of the Roman Citron https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/roman-citron/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/roman-citron/) seems much closer to what the recipes mention.
Ok, next search is for "howto smuggle lemons into CA"  :o

The problem with the whole matter is that limone pane is somewhat a folk's name, that means, it doesn't really ties strongly to a variety (or to be more precise, to a single clone) like for istance "cara cara orange". It's more akin to the word "plantain" where you use a word to specify the use of the fruits more than the specie of the plant, and this works pretty well in a farmer's society because things get their value by their immediate use...
(On a unrelated note "Femminello" means "little female" and refers to the many child (lemons) this varieties make)
In the cedro salad post, i think the "Limone cedrato gigante" has been used by the author of the post. You can find it in tintori page. "Limone cedrato" is another category of citrus (like grapefruits, for istance) wich is pretty old (centuries), and not so much widespread anymore, but you can find them here in some collections and some people assure me that they are the best for salads. They are "citron flavoured" lemons (this is the meaning of "limone cedrato" if that makes sense) the word "cedrato" refers to citron but remains ambiguous in what such referece is.
Anyway, there are several varieties of such citrons good for salads. Among the best, you have the "Limone cedrato spadafora", the "Limone piretto" and the "Limone ponzino amalfitano". Each of those will be good in salads.

During the winter- early spring one can buy here these big bumpy lemons from Amalfi region, exceptionally good, moderately soar with sweet albedo.

I got similar lemons from a plant my grandfather left me but i didn't get any name for it from him:
(https://i.imgur.com/o0FcmDG.jpg?1)
They grow nicely but not as good as the onle in souther italy i guess because i lack of heath. The fruit of mine don't look very similar to the lemon i find at the store from amalfi coast, but then again, i don't even know what those are.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 08, 2019, 04:10:19 PM
Thanks Pancrazio.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: tve on May 08, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
Thanks for the clarifications!!!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on May 08, 2019, 09:54:27 PM
Pancrazio, its been a while, awesome having you posting of the citrus forum again.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Radoslav on May 09, 2019, 08:22:06 AM
Interesting article about research in Campania Region to get ideal samples of main lemon cultivars.
In the Sorrentine Peninsula, researches collected  20 accessions of "Ovale di Sorrento" (marked OS01 to OS20).
in the Amalfi Coast they collected  14 accessions of "Sfusato Amalfitano" (marked OS01 to OS14).
in the island of Procida  6 accessions of " Limone di Procida ” (codes PR01 - PR06).

Interesting, that all accessions were find infected with viroids of exocortis and cachexia,
and most of them with infectious variegation.

 Most significant clones were cleaned from diseases and archived.
From Oval of Sorrento clones OS02, OS04 and OS19

(https://i.postimg.cc/bdPyb0xF/ovale-sorrento-os-02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdPyb0xF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PLZHvNPj/ovale-sorrento-os-04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLZHvNPj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3FpmCT7/ovale-sorrento-os-19.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3FpmCT7)

From Sfusato amalfitano (clones marked  SA11, SA13 and VCR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/LY6yKbdb/sfusato-amalfitano-SA11.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LY6yKbdb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/758mY687/sfusato-amalfitano-SA13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/758mY687)

From Lemon of Procida (2 clones  PR04 and PR06)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KK9PLcV0/procida-PR04.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KK9PLcV0)


(https://i.postimg.cc/vxnfprmK/procida-PR06.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxnfprmK)
http://agricoltura.regione.campania.it/frutticoltura/frutticoltura-limone-selezione-clonale.html (http://agricoltura.regione.campania.it/frutticoltura/frutticoltura-limone-selezione-clonale.html)



Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 09, 2019, 08:55:19 AM
Thanks for the link Rad.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 09, 2019, 05:32:10 PM
Pancrazio, its been a while, awesome having you posting of the citrus forum again.


Oh I'm glad to be here too, i just have so little time these days, and most of it goes to my plants and the italian forum!

[url]http://agricoltura.regione.campania.it/frutticoltura/frutticoltura-limone-selezione-clonale.html[/url] ([url]http://agricoltura.regione.campania.it/frutticoltura/frutticoltura-limone-selezione-clonale.html[/url])


Interesting. If only getting scions from acireale weren't so hard!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: tve on May 10, 2019, 12:57:45 AM
That Italian forum has some interesting posts :-). Do you guys have no HLB issues?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 10, 2019, 03:58:48 PM
Luckily not yet, but if you ask me it's just a matter of time. But, as for now, we also lack the asian psyllid, so any infection should remain contained. But the citrus psyllid arrived in spain so eventually will reach also here.
Also awareness in Italy is super-low.  :-[
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 11, 2019, 04:05:49 PM
Thanks Ilya, seeds arrived today in great shape!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Ilya11 on May 11, 2019, 06:03:23 PM
 :)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 08:59:15 AM
Just surfing through the Tintori site... What a selection of lemon available in the EU...

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/heartleaf-lemon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/heartleaf-lemon/)

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/cylindrical-lemon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/cylindrical-lemon/)

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/adamo-femminello-lemon-seedless-vcr-103/)

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/red-lemon-2/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/red-lemon-2/)

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/furrowed-lemon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/furrowed-lemon/)

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/willowleaf-lemon/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/willowleaf-lemon/)

I remember this one from the old forum, anyone ever try one?

https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/lemox/ (https://www.oscartintori.it/en/prodotto/lemox/)










Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 09:45:16 AM
Three weeks to the day & the St. Teresa popped.

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/athfk.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 12, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
Lemox is patented, and apparently they don't sell to the public.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 10:16:36 AM
That's too bad, looks like a really nice lemon & seedless as well.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
But available in the UK?

http://www.lubera.co.uk/plants/mediterranean-plants/citrus-plants/lemons-cultivated-lemons/lemon-hybrid-lemox (http://www.lubera.co.uk/plants/mediterranean-plants/citrus-plants/lemons-cultivated-lemons/lemon-hybrid-lemox)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 12, 2019, 10:28:29 AM
Not sure why. What i know is that some guy on the Italian forum attempted to get this one and got declined. Either they had a minimum order unapproachable (like, say, 100 plants) or they don' seel directly to private custumers. If you are interested i may ask.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 10:33:17 AM
I remember Petr Broza had one as well.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 10:54:32 AM
Petr has an insane citrus collection...  https://www.youtube.com/user/PetrBroza/videos?pbjreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/user/PetrBroza/videos?pbjreload=10)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 12, 2019, 11:13:41 AM
Here ya go, at 27:40...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlkJVP4Dj6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlkJVP4Dj6k)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Radoslav on May 12, 2019, 02:28:27 PM
Some cultivars like Orri ® (it has insane license terms), or Tango ® are for sale only in big quantities and only for Italy in Italian nurseries, but no problem with Lemox ®, you can buy big tree for 10€ in Italy.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 12, 2019, 04:13:35 PM
Hey Radoslav gotta say, you were right!
Found one here:
https://www.vivaisquadrito.it/580/Lemox%C2%AE.html (https://www.vivaisquadrito.it/580/Lemox%C2%AE.html)
So well this is definitively reachable.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Yorgos on May 13, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
I use lemons on pretty much everything. And here fresh seafood is pretty much the norm as well.

My motto is there is hardly any food that can't be improved by the addition of lemon juice (or hot sauce!).
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 13, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
Exactly & I use quite a bit of hot sauce as well. My favorite all around sauce is "Tears of the sun". For the hotter stuff we have a local company that makes "Sweeter Reaper" I grow reapers & really like the sauce.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Jan on May 14, 2019, 07:36:12 PM
😍😍 and now I’m no longer thinking I have it all lol!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 18, 2019, 05:52:03 PM
Just want to thank everyone who has helped out. I've been planting & grafting quite a bit.  :D
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 21, 2019, 04:56:22 PM
During the winter- early spring one can buy here these big bumpy lemons from Amalfi region, exceptionally good, moderately soar with sweet albedo.

(https://c.radikal.ru/c39/1904/1a/0b669193b9fe.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://b.radikal.ru/b09/1904/aa/daa3b9466474.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://b.radikal.ru/b18/1904/6b/a32f1079a319.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)

Seeds are starting to pop. Thanks again Ilya!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Ilya11 on May 22, 2019, 03:03:21 AM
Very good, they all came from the fruit on the last photo.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Yorgos on May 22, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
Are Italian lemons more cold hardy than your standard eureka or Lisbon varietals? 
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 26, 2019, 08:25:34 AM
Many parts of Italy where they are growning are listed as 8b... Pancrazio could probably give you better information on this & how they are protected.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on May 26, 2019, 04:48:16 PM
Widespread outside cultivation happens just in zone 9b, you can find folks that grows them outside in zone 9a in good/sheltered spots, but the plants are going to die eventually. Regarding the zone 8, there are basically no plants outside in winter, people grow them in pot and bring them inside. To be fair, most of the historical collection in central italy were grown in pot just because of that, rich people moved lemon in building made exactly for this reason called limonaie, and there they were kept and they could be also heated when needed.
There is an interesting exception to that. Well, the lemons weren't exceptionally cold hardy, but the place is microclimatically interesting: and those are the glacial lakes in nothern Italy, where in a couple of place they grew lemons due the warmer enviroment due the presence of the lake.
I wonder what kind of madman saw a glacial lake and said "i'm going to grow lemons here" but it did work!
I have been there last autumn. Keep in mind that place is 40 miles from Switzerland.  This is the landscape:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mn2bcR15/20181103-134901.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn2bcR15)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RNnLVGJq/20181103-134950.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNnLVGJq)

Amazing micro/nanoclimate in my opinion.
There's also a place there called "Limone sul garda" ( https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limone_sul_Garda )which sounds pretty much like "Lemon over the Garda lake" wich coincidentally has a widespread lemon cultivation. Such structure you see in the pics were used to put some trellis on lemons in order to defend them by light frosts in windless nights. If i were to search for an hardy lemon that is a good place to start, i guess, even if i don't know how much of the original clones may be still alive there. AFAIK no especially hardy lemon is widely grown in italy.
USDA zones are not so good for evaluating italian climate because i'm under the impression that our winter days are darker and cooler compared to same USDA zone of the east coast, and our spring/autumn are longer and also on average cooler (in same usda zones i mean). 

Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 26, 2019, 06:21:03 PM
C. limon "Femminello zagara bianca" min -5C (23F)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/3ef281e71098856693c9e087564432d3bcbf14341124275.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/3ad2ac9ce0be5a27dec74260d9ee27a9bcbf14341124276.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/3078ad172e23e69d0f2d0e96a0c1f993bcbf14341569082.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 26, 2019, 06:23:07 PM
C. limon "Amalphitanum Pane"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/a83e4e037b70797be2729418b7900563bcbf14341569409.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 26, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
C. limon "Lunario"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/bb0f037491b1a29e3f5e8f4997e7c85fbcbf14341569741.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 26, 2019, 06:34:54 PM
C. limon "Foliis variegatis Alba"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/0ec1c14bd89e6f5fa9142bed29b9b7cfbcbf14341570022.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 26, 2019, 07:22:10 PM
Very nice! Do you deliver? Lol!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on May 26, 2019, 08:24:28 PM
Femminello zagara bianca is mostly albedo.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 26, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
 :o

(https://citrusforum.org.ua/download/file.php?id=16963&mode=view)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 26, 2019, 11:07:19 PM
Still my favorite...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/6024/5990050073_6ff0550dcd_z.jpg)
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Post by: Kaelix87 on May 26, 2019, 11:35:52 PM
Holy cow look at the size of those lemons
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 27, 2019, 02:07:04 AM
C. limonimedica "Pigmentata"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/8342ae97c5df882a9ad5532cf1e7de67bcbf14337453097.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/c8fd4648e9353fbcea49409c5efa83a9bcbf14337453098.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 07:19:07 AM
What is this variety?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 07:21:30 AM
Interesting...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qxGdSbdYK8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qxGdSbdYK8)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 07:33:31 AM
Your "limon "Amalphitanum Pane" looks very similar to Lunario.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 27, 2019, 08:20:26 AM
Widespread outside cultivation happens just in zone 9b, you can find folks that grows them outside in zone 9a in good/sheltered spots, but the plants are going to die eventually. Regarding the zone 8, there are basically no plants outside in winter, people grow them in pot and bring them inside. To be fair, most of the historical collection in central italy were grown in pot just because of that, rich people moved lemon in building made exactly for this reason called limonaie, and there they were kept and they could be also heated when needed.
There is an interesting exception to that. Well, the lemons weren't exceptionally cold hardy, but the place is microclimatically interesting: and those are the glacial lakes in nothern Italy, where in a couple of place they grew lemons due the warmer enviroment due the presence of the lake.
I wonder what kind of madman saw a glacial lake and said "i'm going to grow lemons here" but it did work!
I have been there last autumn. Keep in mind that place is 40 miles from Switzerland.  This is the landscape:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mn2bcR15/20181103-134901.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn2bcR15)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RNnLVGJq/20181103-134950.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNnLVGJq)
.

Beautiful area, amazing story.

I've got a couple of sticks grafted of Pomona seedless lemon, top working trees.  Anyone tried that one?  I assume it's Italian with name like that.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 08:32:09 AM
I had one & got rot rid of it. Pomona  is acidless & not very good.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 27, 2019, 11:14:25 AM
I had one & got rot rid of it. Pomona  is acidless & not very good.

Yeah, I heard it's sweet due to the lack of acid.  It's a graft so if I don't like it I'll just cut off the branch.  Was a gift from a friend in Beaumont who paid big bucks for certified disease free citrus wood from TX A&M. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bm3412c/Citrus-Grafts-Sept16.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2bm3412c)
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Post by: Vlad on May 27, 2019, 11:50:15 AM
Laaz, now you got me interested in Italian lemons!!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Vlad on May 27, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
You may be interested in this book: https://www.amazon.com/Land-Where-Lemons-Grow-Citrus/dp/1581572905/ref=asc_df_1581572905/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312152820130&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9326070550801778627&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001961&hvtargid=pla-565320269196&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61316180159&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312152820130&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9326070550801778627&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001961&hvtargid=pla-565320269196 (https://www.amazon.com/Land-Where-Lemons-Grow-Citrus/dp/1581572905/ref=asc_df_1581572905/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312152820130&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9326070550801778627&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001961&hvtargid=pla-565320269196&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61316180159&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312152820130&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9326070550801778627&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001961&hvtargid=pla-565320269196)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 11:55:12 AM
Lmao! They are the best there is, but most are very difficult to source here in the US. Most all you find here is the crappy Meyers & the regular grocery store Lisbon's & Eureka's...
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 27, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
C. otaitensis di Napoli
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/69353cc2a1047344cb4426afe4b1513abcbf14339267809.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 27, 2019, 02:31:22 PM
C. limon "Florentina"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/45c4f7f5dac00e2fbc2fd6bb9e42f1f6bcbf14336592870.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 03:01:34 PM
Keep that up & I'll fly over there & raid your collection.   ;D
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 27, 2019, 03:43:21 PM
C. meyerii x c. sinensis "doppio sanguigno"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/f9bc427d139c6aa1ba06990c206497d0bcbf14333938734.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/ed7fdb3d00b49d8503a8a32f5d1dfa0ebcbf14333938736.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/9a8e05ad890b3b3eb40fd6643e33d3efbcbf14333938737.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 03:47:57 PM
Too bad it has nasty meyer in it... Now if it was a femminello hybrid I would be interested.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 27, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
There is such a hybrid
C. clementina x C. limon
(http://f23.ifotki.info/org/4eeab4ce1a80d6db6a882bd7dbde6fc4bcbf14310326331.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
(http://f23.ifotki.info/org/44e0d69500272951836ca3e7fb811c5dbcbf14310326332.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 04:37:31 PM
Interesting. How does it taste?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 27, 2019, 04:47:10 PM
((Вкус кислый, сочный лимонный, но кожура больше клементиновая. Вес 70 гр., в чае получается приятный необычный вкус))
The taste is sour, juicy lemon, but the peel is more Clementine. Weight 70 gr., the tea turns out to be a pleasant unusual taste
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 27, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
Very interesting.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 31, 2019, 01:20:15 PM
St. Teresa from Millet.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2dipsn9.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on May 31, 2019, 01:22:31 PM
Inverted T-bud.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/jt9n3q.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on May 31, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
Antico Di Rocca Imperiale
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/0fe0d3a12e7f7851dcaa8db60c5c3c47bcbf14341992033.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Photo fruits not my
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/01d377d49d2fe01eb07e2cd9866dc1bdbcbf14341992032.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Kelley_GA8a on May 31, 2019, 11:25:28 PM
Antico Di Rocca Imperiale
([url]http://f25.ifotki.info/org/0fe0d3a12e7f7851dcaa8db60c5c3c47bcbf14341992033.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://i-fotki.info/[/url])
Photo fruits not my
([url]http://f25.ifotki.info/org/01d377d49d2fe01eb07e2cd9866dc1bdbcbf14341992032.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://i-fotki.info/[/url])


I’m getting budwood of this lemon soon - how does it taste?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on June 01, 2019, 01:54:48 AM
The quality of the fruit is excellent, juicy, medium acidity, large harvest
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 01, 2019, 08:03:55 AM
He Bob (Millet) since you're buying... I'll take this one. Plenty of room to plant as may lemons as I want...

https://www.homesandvillasabroad.com/opProperty_Detail.aspx?PropKey=HAVA1TA13J3909 (https://www.homesandvillasabroad.com/opProperty_Detail.aspx?PropKey=HAVA1TA13J3909)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 01, 2019, 08:11:08 AM
Or maybe this one, I'll have a head start there's already a nice lemon tree...

https://www.homesandvillasabroad.com/opProperty_Detail.aspx?PropKey=HAVA1SB01M4127 (https://www.homesandvillasabroad.com/opProperty_Detail.aspx?PropKey=HAVA1SB01M4127)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 01, 2019, 08:20:28 AM
Or maybe this one, it alraedy has 5 acres of lemon trees!

https://www.homesandvillasabroad.com/opProperty_Detail.aspx?PropKey=HAVA1QJ19B2145 (https://www.homesandvillasabroad.com/opProperty_Detail.aspx?PropKey=HAVA1QJ19B2145)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 01, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
http://www.italiafruit.net/DettaglioNews/44881/mercati-e-imprese/il-limone-di-rocca-imperiale-protagonista-a-fico (http://www.italiafruit.net/DettaglioNews/44881/mercati-e-imprese/il-limone-di-rocca-imperiale-protagonista-a-fico)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on June 01, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
Why would anyone even want a clementine X lemon?  The lemon ruins the clementine portion, and the clementine ruins the lemon portion.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on June 01, 2019, 09:09:35 PM

Beautiful area, amazing story.

I've got a couple of sticks grafted of Pomona seedless lemon, top working trees.  Anyone tried that one?  I assume it's Italian with name like that.

AFAIK Pomona limetta took its name from Pomona, California. The clone is very similar (possibly the same thing) as Bergamot of tunisi or limetta romana dolce. I grew all those three but at the end i got rid of most of them. The only difference i saw, if i remember well, is the flower's colour. All of those fruits are acidless. The peel aroma is very nice, much bergamot-like. But the pulp is really insipid.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Pancrazio on June 01, 2019, 09:14:35 PM
Still my favorite...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/6024/5990050073_6ff0550dcd_z.jpg)

I think they are "limone pane di procida"
https://www.trucchidicasa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/limoni-pane.jpg (https://www.trucchidicasa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/limoni-pane.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 01, 2019, 09:55:26 PM
I love those huge fruit...
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Samodelkin on June 02, 2019, 01:59:30 AM
"huge fruit"
Limone jubilee - variety Citrus pyriformis "PONDEROSA"
(http://f25.ifotki.info/org/307cf15fe00de7898395e445799dbbf3bcbf14342114816.jpg) (http://i-fotki.info/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 02, 2019, 06:54:46 AM
Never much like Ponderosa. I had one & gave it away.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 02, 2019, 07:40:38 AM
Almost forgot, I really really really want to get a grove of these going... (http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg) (http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg)(http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg)

https://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Organic-Garden-Colorful-Bonsai/dp/B01E8D5F9K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01E8D5F9K&pd_rd_r=bceb7d10-693a-11e9-867c-c5b0dbebe95a&pd_rd_w=3ORlr&pd_rd_wg=82WEd&pf_rd_p=588939de-d3f8-42f1-a3d8-d556eae5797d&pf_rd_r=82D9HAY9B7YBQYJJT23Y&psc=1&refRID=82D9HAY9B7YBQYJJT23Y&linkCode=sl1&tag=greenthumbpla-20&linkId=388121ba42e6965c86b70f93b9416fa1 (https://www.amazon.com/Rainbow-Organic-Garden-Colorful-Bonsai/dp/B01E8D5F9K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01E8D5F9K&pd_rd_r=bceb7d10-693a-11e9-867c-c5b0dbebe95a&pd_rd_w=3ORlr&pd_rd_wg=82WEd&pf_rd_p=588939de-d3f8-42f1-a3d8-d556eae5797d&pf_rd_r=82D9HAY9B7YBQYJJT23Y&psc=1&refRID=82D9HAY9B7YBQYJJT23Y&linkCode=sl1&tag=greenthumbpla-20&linkId=388121ba42e6965c86b70f93b9416fa1)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Kelley_GA8a on June 02, 2019, 08:08:26 AM
😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 03, 2019, 03:54:25 PM
Thank you Joe Real for the Genoa, Limonero fino & Seedless budwood!
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 04, 2019, 11:03:24 AM
Almost forgot, I really really really want to get a grove of these going... ([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg[/url])([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg[/url])



Aw shucks, they don't ship to Texas.  ;D
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 05, 2019, 11:53:47 AM
Ilya you're going to have to send child support...   (http://i67.tinypic.com/5znswj.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/hsw2zl.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Ilya11 on June 05, 2019, 03:46:09 PM
Extremely rapid even without support, hope you will have first fruits in four years from now :)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 05, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
New ones emerge every other day.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on June 05, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Laaz, are those seedling from the same seed, or was multiple seeds planted?  What is the cultivar?
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 05, 2019, 06:48:16 PM
Millet, they are from the seeds Ilya sent me from the fruit he bought in a photo from earlier in this post.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 05, 2019, 06:54:14 PM
This one...

(https://b.radikal.ru/b09/1904/aa/daa3b9466474.jpg)

(https://b.radikal.ru/b18/1904/6b/a32f1079a319.jpg)

(https://c.radikal.ru/c39/1904/1a/0b669193b9fe.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 05, 2019, 06:56:43 PM
Extremely rapid even without support, hope you will have first fruits in four years from now :)

That's not support, that's to keep the tree rats & birds from ripping them up.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 07, 2019, 06:29:12 PM
Cross off the Femminello Siracusano 2KR & Villafranca just got some budwood.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 08, 2019, 09:50:02 AM
So, I'm pretty much down to these I still need...

Monachello lemon
Corpaci lemon
Sungold variegated lemon (Not pink)
and
Lumia lemon hybrid. This was obviously available in CA in the past, so there must be plants around...  https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/lumia.html
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 08, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
Well,  Now I found another one I want.

https://agrumilenzi.it/negozio/citrus/cedro-pane-variegato-o-cedro-piretto-variegato-citrus-medica-foliis-variegatis/
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Kelley_GA8a on June 09, 2019, 06:39:01 AM
I’ll let you know if I hear of anything
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 09, 2019, 08:03:54 AM
Thanks Kelly.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on June 11, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
Here is a new lemon for Laaz's collection.

The Wonderful Company BB #:115157, known for its dedication to harvesting health and happiness around the world through its iconic consumer brands today announced the introduction of a new produce brand, Wonderful Seedless Lemons, a naturally seedless, Non-GMO Project Verified variety of lemon that will debut this fall 2019.
 
The Wonderful Company owns the exclusive rights to this new, premium quality seedless lemon variety available in North America.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 12, 2019, 07:10:36 AM
If the trees ever become available... But no, I'm not willing to "pay a premium price" for a seedless lemon. Joe Real just sent me budwood for a seedless lemon.

http://www.wonderful.com/press/wonderful-seedless-lemons-announced.html (http://www.wonderful.com/press/wonderful-seedless-lemons-announced.html)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Radoslav on June 12, 2019, 07:47:06 AM
If the trees ever become available... But no, I'm not willing to "pay a premium price" for a seedless lemon. Joe Real just sent me budwood for a seedless lemon.

[url]http://www.wonderful.com/press/wonderful-seedless-lemons-announced.html[/url] ([url]http://www.wonderful.com/press/wonderful-seedless-lemons-announced.html[/url])


Uf....That announcement sounds like some kind of sect.  Clear example of company, where half of the price is "story and brand".
Something like bottle of city water for 100$, because it is unique, carefully packed, our staff do it with love,  America’s No. 1 and 100% organic.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 12, 2019, 08:00:55 AM
Indeed. It's all about the $$$...
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Millet on June 12, 2019, 09:42:11 AM
Of course it all about money.  What else, isn't most everything?  However, I for one would prefer a seedless lemon.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 12, 2019, 10:05:10 AM
There are a few out there already. Doesn't really matter to me, I don't eat lemons out of hand.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Bomand on June 12, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
😁 ebay has everything🤣
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Radoslav on June 12, 2019, 11:53:35 AM
Looks like in Italy, they distinguish  different kinds of lemons from the same cultivar.
Femminello comune is a greatly reflowering cultivar with high setting aptitude; it has five annual blossomings to which five different names of fructifications correspond.
The most important blossoming, from a qualitative point of view, is the first, which produces fruit that ripen from October to March. They are the so-called ‘’winter lemons’, with a more or less rough epicarp, a high sourness and a variable number of pips. The earliest fruit of this first blossoming, which ripen between September and October, are called Primofiore; they are highly valued on the market. Then, there are the so-called ‘‘maiolini’, ‘’biancucci’ or ‘’bianchetti’, which are light yellow, with a slightly rough epicarp, few pips and a lower level of sourness. Very often they bear fruit in bunches; the ripening is between April and May. The famous ‘verdelli’, ripen in the summer of the following year, are rather cheap. The verdelli, that usually grow in bunches, have a smoother epicarp, a low sourness and almost no pips (technically, they say that the pips are aborted). Then, there are the so-called ‘‘bastards’, which ripen in after more or less a year and have a smooth epicarp and a deep yellow colour. Lastly, we have to remember the ‘‘marzani’, usually picked together with the winter lemons. They are never numerous, more or less of a round shape, and they have a rough epicarp, a long and flat umbo, a certain number of pips and a high sourness.
http://www.limmi.it/en/national-cultivars/ (http://www.limmi.it/en/national-cultivars/)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 12, 2019, 12:21:19 PM
The Femminello Apireno is also seedless.
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 13, 2019, 07:19:33 AM
I'm going to have to build some of these...

(https://passioneinverde.edagricole.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2013/02/limoni-in-vaso_3ed2ec05.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 23, 2019, 03:39:55 PM
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2akih69.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: luak on June 23, 2019, 09:33:43 PM
Laaz, if you are serious about the trellises in that picture, I got what you need. I grow a bamboo orchard and can supply you with any size up to 20 ‘ tall.


(https://i.postimg.cc/3y9MNb2K/DSC00609.gif) (https://postimg.cc/3y9MNb2K)
Title: Re: OK, I've decided to start a Italian lemon collection.
Post by: Laaz on June 24, 2019, 04:49:19 AM
WE have so much wild growing bamboo here it's not funny...