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Title: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on June 15, 2019, 01:11:33 PM
Did I make a mistake planting Pina Colada instead of E-4?  Alex (Tropical Acres Farms) says: The flavor of Piña Colada is rich as syrup at the regular ripe stage, like a ‘Dot’ mango on steroids. At the riper stage, its namesake enters the flavor profile and it takes on those remarkable pineapple and coconut notes found in the frozen drink. 

Of E-4 he says: On the underripe side the flavor is pineapple-esque, while on the ripe-er side is an incredible coconut explosion with a strong dessert-like sweetness.  We think it tastes like the inside of a Mounds candy bar.

Further he says of Pina Colada: Unfortunately they are highly anthracnose prone and tend to produce too many male flowers.  For these reasons, we do not recommend them for the deep interior.  Piña Colada is a mango best suited to be grown in close proximity to the ocean, where you might also enjoy one at the beach under the tropical sun.

Okay.  I live in close proximity to the ocean so I'm in the best location for Pina Colada.  Also, I think Dot, a parent of Pina Colada, is a great-tasting mango.  Forum Family, what do you think??
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 15, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
Go with the E4!
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on June 15, 2019, 01:58:16 PM
Go with the E4!
But I already planted the Pina Colada.  Maybe Alex or some other expert will comment.  (Fingers crossed.)
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: skhan on June 15, 2019, 04:18:00 PM
Pina colada is a really good mango aswell. Don't know if I could only choose one
There's always the option of multigrafting.

Also one thing to consider is that we sort of know what we're getting with Pina colada (for better or worse). Sugar loaf is still new so the jury is out on the rest of it's characteristics.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Squam256 on June 15, 2019, 06:39:25 PM
Pina Colada is outstanding. I don’t think Sugarloaf is better than it; they’re about on equal footing in terms of flavor.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on June 15, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
Pina Colada is outstanding. I don’t think Sugarloaf is better than it; they’re about on equal footing in terms of flavor.
Thank you, sir!  I needed your blessing. ;D
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 15, 2019, 07:43:58 PM
Craig loves the PC mango!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8W-kAxCWBOM
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on June 15, 2019, 11:22:43 PM
Craig loves the PC mango!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8W-kAxCWBOM
Wow! The whole family loves it.  My tree is growing like gangbusters.  I think it's a happy little tree.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 15, 2019, 11:59:20 PM
Enjoy the flavor appears to be intense according to the video .
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Future on June 16, 2019, 06:27:34 PM
PC #6. E4 #7. Splitting hairs this high on a top tier list.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 16, 2019, 07:40:09 PM
Wow good to know !
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Orkine on June 16, 2019, 08:24:17 PM
What does the PC fruit look like?

I have a small plant that I thought was PC.  It has a fruit on it that has this point to it.  Almost like a beak.

It didn't look the the PC in the video linked to earlier. 

First two pictures are of the fruit.  I am trying to show the pointed part.
The other 2 pictures show the leafs in case this helps ID the fruit.

(https://i.ibb.co/X4qmD1M/IMG-20190616-202714166.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X4qmD1M) (https://i.ibb.co/GJWnkHZ/IMG-20190616-202727666.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GJWnkHZ) (https://i.ibb.co/PrTSLWp/IMG-20190616-202803235.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PrTSLWp) (https://i.ibb.co/C8bdyTQ/IMG-20190616-202820259.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C8bdyTQ)
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Squam256 on June 16, 2019, 08:40:44 PM
What does the PC fruit look like?

I have a small plant that I thought was PC.  It has a fruit on it that has this point to it.  Almost like a beak.

It didn't look the the PC in the video linked to earlier. 

First two pictures are of the fruit.  I am trying to show the pointed part.
The other 2 pictures show the leafs in case this helps ID the fruit.

(https://i.ibb.co/X4qmD1M/IMG-20190616-202714166.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X4qmD1M) (https://i.ibb.co/GJWnkHZ/IMG-20190616-202727666.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GJWnkHZ) (https://i.ibb.co/PrTSLWp/IMG-20190616-202803235.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PrTSLWp) (https://i.ibb.co/C8bdyTQ/IMG-20190616-202820259.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C8bdyTQ)

Not Pina Colada. Maybe Lemon Zest
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Orkine on June 16, 2019, 09:17:28 PM
Thanks.  I grafted lemon Zest at the same time.  It is one of the cases of faded label on my grafts.  I thought all but one of my LZ grafts failed.  Perhaps I have a spare after all.

I will label this branch "Maybe Lemon Zest", thanks.

Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: simon_grow on June 17, 2019, 12:10:58 AM
So Far, I like Piña Colada more but I’ve only had a handful of E4s. I’ve never had E4 in the Coconut stage but I have had it in the sweet pineapple stage. Piña Colada is a flavor and sugar bomb. I’m a bit surprised to hear you report that it’s growing like gangbusters for you. Here in SoCal, it is a slow grower, at least for me. Piña Colada is a top mango.

I like Piña Colada so much that I planted out about 40 seeds and selected about 15 seedlings that are growing somewhat decent in SoCal. Many of the weaker seedlings were averse to the cold weather and were stunted, chlorotic and some of the seedlings also succumbed to anthracnose and the Black Death we get here in SoCal.

Simon
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 17, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
I might scrap my E4 wanted add for a Pina Collada Tree 😀

I need to buy some Pina Colada fruit Assap!
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Das Bhut on June 17, 2019, 07:51:12 PM
due to all this rain my sugar loaf is starting to grow long droopy branches
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Cythompson159@yahoo.com on June 17, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
Ed, if a LZ you probably don’t need to protect it. Both the coconut cream and LZ I have hadn’t hand any interest from the birds or furry pest. I have plent around here and they do t touch them for some reason! Thanks God!
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Oolie on June 17, 2019, 11:16:11 PM
Ed, if a LZ you probably don’t need to protect it. Both the coconut cream and LZ I have hadn’t hand any interest from the birds or furry pest. I have plent around here and they do t touch them for some reason! Thanks God!
(https://i.postimg.cc/cvM19pm5/62-A1-C2-E3-11-B8-4003-89-A4-ACDF7-B71-D2-C5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvM19pm5)

Unfortunately....critter chewed through plastic protective packaging.

-Joep450
I think you're lucky.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Coach62 on June 18, 2019, 06:29:25 AM
Thanks.  I grafted lemon Zest at the same time.  It is one of the cases of faded label on my grafts.  I thought all but one of my LZ grafts failed.  Perhaps I have a spare after all.

I will label this branch "Maybe Lemon Zest", thanks.
https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Gardening-Durability-Applications-Aluminum/dp/B01LP3KFWS/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Aluminum+labels&qid=1560853694&s=gateway&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Gardening-Durability-Applications-Aluminum/dp/B01LP3KFWS/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Aluminum+labels&qid=1560853694&s=gateway&sr=8-4)

These will never fade!
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Sleepdoc on June 18, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
Like others have said - Pina Colada is an absolute flavor bomb.  Maybe too powerful for some.  Don’t eat it before a  milder mango, it can make a good mango taste weak.  One of my favorites.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 18, 2019, 08:08:20 PM
Ok you guys convinced me ! Pina Collada it is , Currently I have a 3Gal M4 For Trade Pina Collada 😊

Ed
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: hawkfish007 on June 18, 2019, 11:27:11 PM
I wonder how does M4 taste, and does it have a name yet?
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 19, 2019, 06:22:49 AM
They say that it’s a coconut cream  On steroids ..

Ed
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Future on June 19, 2019, 09:06:46 AM
I wonder how does M4 taste, and does it have a name yet?

Sugarloaf although some refuse to call it that...
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Squam256 on June 19, 2019, 09:41:28 AM
I wonder how does M4 taste, and does it have a name yet?

Sugarloaf although some refuse to call it that...

That's E-4.

M-4 is yet to be named. Hopefully not a name that will just get confused with a bunch of others like the “Peach” ones, etc.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Future on June 19, 2019, 10:03:45 AM
I wonder how does M4 taste, and does it have a name yet?

Sugarloaf although some refuse to call it that...

That's E-4.

M-4 is yet to be named. Hopefully not a name that will just get confused with a bunch of others like the “Peach” ones, etc.

Oh. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: hawkfish007 on June 19, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
They say that it’s a coconut cream  On steroids ..

Ed

Good to know. Glad I bought a M4 without knowing its flavor profile. Unfortunately, here in SoCal we get what is available not what we want. I wanted to get a CC but seems like M4 will do just fine.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on June 19, 2019, 11:40:51 AM
6/19/19
(https://i.postimg.cc/QB0DVNMv/1828-F2-C8-8-D53-4046-93-EF-B3-C00-F83-B686.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QB0DVNMv)
4/25/19
(https://i.postimg.cc/jwSshw9s/9-FD07935-1-D95-437-B-906-A-D81-B3-BAAADF1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwSshw9s)

My Piña Colada tree.  By the end of the year it should be a pretty big tree.  Mind you, I selected the smallest but healthiest tree in the nursery.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 19, 2019, 11:42:00 AM
Happy tree John👍
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on June 19, 2019, 11:47:49 AM
Happy tree John👍
Right?!  Happy owner. ;D
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: edzone9 on June 19, 2019, 01:19:56 PM
Happy tree John👍
Right?!  Happy owner. ;D
You know it like a poet 👍
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: JulianoGS on July 11, 2019, 12:47:16 PM
Does sugar loaf tree produces well in South Florida?
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Orkine on July 17, 2019, 10:05:12 PM
Thanks.  I grafted lemon Zest at the same time.  It is one of the cases of faded label on my grafts.  I thought all but one of my LZ grafts failed.  Perhaps I have a spare after all.

I will label this branch "Maybe Lemon Zest", thanks.
https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Gardening-Durability-Applications-Aluminum/dp/B01LP3KFWS/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Aluminum+labels&qid=1560853694&s=gateway&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Gardening-Durability-Applications-Aluminum/dp/B01LP3KFWS/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Aluminum+labels&qid=1560853694&s=gateway&sr=8-4)

These will never fade!
Thanks, I got these as a gift from the kids recently.  Its worked well, one or two have been pecked mercilessly by birds.  Must be crows that like shinny stuff.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Orkine on August 06, 2019, 08:38:20 PM
What does the PC fruit look like?

I have a small plant that I thought was PC.  It has a fruit on it that has this point to it.  Almost like a beak.

It didn't look the the PC in the video linked to earlier. 

First two pictures are of the fruit.  I am trying to show the pointed part.
The other 2 pictures show the leafs in case this helps ID the fruit.

(https://i.ibb.co/X4qmD1M/IMG-20190616-202714166.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X4qmD1M) (https://i.ibb.co/GJWnkHZ/IMG-20190616-202727666.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GJWnkHZ) (https://i.ibb.co/PrTSLWp/IMG-20190616-202803235.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PrTSLWp) (https://i.ibb.co/C8bdyTQ/IMG-20190616-202820259.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C8bdyTQ)
This setup worked.
I checked 2 days ago and the fruit had dropped into the plastic container which was still suspended off the ground.  I brought it in and let it sit for two days and ripen further.  I cut it tonight and all I can say is wow!
This was the first fruit from this tree and I understand they get better with time, I can't imagine how it can get better.
It was great and I look forward to more in the coming seasons.
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: johnb51 on August 06, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
What does the PC fruit look like?

I have a small plant that I thought was PC.  It has a fruit on it that has this point to it.  Almost like a beak.

It didn't look the the PC in the video linked to earlier. 

First two pictures are of the fruit.  I am trying to show the pointed part.
The other 2 pictures show the leafs in case this helps ID the fruit.

(https://i.ibb.co/X4qmD1M/IMG-20190616-202714166.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X4qmD1M) (https://i.ibb.co/GJWnkHZ/IMG-20190616-202727666.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GJWnkHZ) (https://i.ibb.co/PrTSLWp/IMG-20190616-202803235.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PrTSLWp) (https://i.ibb.co/C8bdyTQ/IMG-20190616-202820259.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C8bdyTQ)
This setup worked.
I checked 2 days ago and the fruit had dropped into the plastic container which was still suspended off the ground.  I brought it in and let it sit for two days and ripen further.  I cut it tonight and all I can say is wow!
This was the first fruit from this tree and I understand they get better with time, I can't imagine how it can get better.
It was great and I look forward to more in the coming seasons.
But I thought it wasn’t PC. Did you decide that it was?
Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Orkine on August 06, 2019, 09:57:26 PM
Alex called it.  It looked like the lemon zest Zands gave me.

Title: Re: Sugarloaf (E-4) vs. Piña Colada
Post by: Cythompson159@yahoo.com on August 07, 2019, 06:21:26 PM
I agree looks just like a LZ.