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Title: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: shot on March 27, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
So what are you trying to boost your immune system with and or fight inculcation of covid 19?
 I feel like a mad scientist  brewing up elixirs.Maitake ,reishi ,cordyceps some things are growing here or in my yard,Rhodomyrtus tomentosa,curry leaf,oregano ,turmeric I dry these and grind to powder.
 Besides eating well fruits ,greens ,vegetables what are you folks doing or suggest?I have two parents with me that are old 90 ,91.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: FMfruitforest on March 27, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Yes i agree time to dose up! They keep reporting deaths of younger individuals with no prior health conditions while at the same time reports of old frail folks coming through just fine, It would be interesting to know the diets of these people and also there amount of daily exercise.
I know the focus first is to identify drugs to sell and treat condition.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: giorgosgr on March 27, 2020, 10:41:02 AM
My suggestion is to eat fruits, well balanced diet and get a lot of sleep! Sleep is the best way to boost your immune system. Also here when you have the persistent dry cough ,souch as what covid19 causes, we make oregano tea.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: shot on March 27, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Yes they get a lot of sleep , they go to bed with the chickens.Teas are great, a friend , Indian professor comes down for winter break and when he has a cold he makes turmeric tea with honey it's pretty good, maybe add oregano.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: knlim000 on March 27, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
fish worts has the cure for it. here's study 10yrs ago that was done on mice curing coronavirus. it grows like weed.
It is my #1 asian herbs beside basil and Vietnamese coriander.   I wrap all the three herbs in a spring roll. I can eat about 1lb of herbs each spring roll meal.  have not had a flu for the past 5yrs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18479853?fbclid=IwAR19ZBKjE3mztkWIPIIGMUnlD-sjobRHwQJehyd4x3xDfW6LrkvBn4WLsDo (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18479853?fbclid=IwAR19ZBKjE3mztkWIPIIGMUnlD-sjobRHwQJehyd4x3xDfW6LrkvBn4WLsDo)

Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: shot on March 27, 2020, 01:39:31 PM
Very good Fish worts houttuynia cordata worth a try ,I wonder if it will grow here ordered few plants from ebay.Maybe my neighbors vietnamese have it they have some interesting  plants.




Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: PahoaJo on March 27, 2020, 02:44:06 PM
I'm taking elderberry and zinc currently. In the past whenever I get sick, I make a concoction of homegrown lemon juice and ginger, with raw honey and cayenne pepper.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 27, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
I eat bee collected pollen.
Seaberry i think it would be good also.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: giorgosgr on March 27, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
I eat bee collected pollen.
Seaberry i think it would be good also.

Seaberry because of the high vitamin C content? An alternative is to buy vitamin C in powder (i think 1000mg per day for an adult is enough)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 27, 2020, 03:49:37 PM
I eat bee collected pollen.
Seaberry i think it would be good also.

Seaberry because of the high vitamin C content? An alternative is to buy vitamin C in powder (i think 1000mg per day for an adult is enough)
Yea ,has super high vitamin C but otther 200 plus compounds,the oil,its not just vitamin C.
I think its the healthyest fruit to eat in the world.
When i take vitamins i feel no effect on my body but after eating seaberryes i feel the effects .
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: shot on March 27, 2020, 04:34:39 PM
For Vitamin C I still have some amla (Phyllanthus emblica) on my tree.Surinam cherries high phenolic content .Brad (spaugh) must have this growing around his area ,Desert parsley lomatium dissectum.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 27, 2020, 05:12:48 PM
For Vitamin C I still have some amla (Phyllanthus emblica) on my tree.Surinam cherries high phenolic content .Brad (spaugh) must have this growing around his area ,Desert parsley lomatium dissectum.
Have you tryed seaberryes?
The thing with them its that altough they contain soo much vitamin C,they are also edible with the meaning they are easy to eat not just a regular sour fruit.
Seaberryes contain a bitter acrid acid that slightly tastes like vomit wich causes an increase in protective mucus on esophagus and stomack thus preventing burns from sour vitamin C.
Gou can get easy high doses of vitamin C from seaberryes but it would be a challenge to get the same quantity even from good tasting fruits like oranges.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Oolie on March 27, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
I'm taking elderberry and zinc currently. In the past whenever I get sick, I make a concoction of homegrown lemon juice and ginger, with raw honey and cayenne pepper.

I have made amendment to my diet to increase zinc after firsthand experience as well as scientific literature.

It helps immune function and makes you feel better.

It's present in large quantity in most things high in protein.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: gnappi on March 27, 2020, 10:42:03 PM
Yes i agree time to dose up! They keep reporting deaths of younger individuals with no prior health conditions while at the same time reports of old frail folks coming through just fine, It would be interesting to know the diets of these people and also there amount of daily exercise.
I know the focus first is to identify drugs to sell and treat condition.

They should spend more time and money on people who don't get sick, or on those who get sick and recover rapidly.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on March 28, 2020, 11:43:32 AM
So what are you trying to boost your immune system with and or fight inculcation of covid 19?
What are you folks doing or suggest?I have two parents with me that are old 90 ,91.

Daily exercise 1/2 to 1 hour walking primarily to keep the body working better & less of a weak candidate for the virus to want to attack.
Going outside in the sunshine as UV tends to deactivate virus faster.
Taking Vit. C and eating protein to help immune system.
My herbs are usually Coffee, Green Tea, & my wife sticks Moringa and Dollar Weed into many of our lunch foods.
For sore throat I gargle and drink small amounts of Apple Cider Vinegar.  I take acetaminophen if a headache.
Carrying a bottle of water with me to stay hydrated when outside.

For 90 & 91 year old parents: I would try to isolate them from others as believed 5 day average incubation before symptomatic and any young adult or grandchild etc. may have such a good immune system that no symptoms occur often and they can pass it on to the elderly. I would try not to go into supermarkets but when you do go, I would not push the buggy & try to avoid touching the doors & atm buttons unless a paper, cloth, etc. separating finger from plastic.  Tell relatives call us often & visit us seldom till this is over.

I wish more Mortality reports for age groups were available.... All can be infected = infection rate and unfortunately this is data spread on TV.... We need to know the Mortality Rates per age groups in 10 year increments of our population...... This is the problem & why there is so much fear..... We need the real data. Germany population has some good data on infection rates & mortality: Less than 40 year olds mortality rate if infected is believed to be less than 0.4%. South Korea has a very low Mortality rate also on less than 50 year olds.

https://www.facebook.com/zuck/videos/10111683294466031/?fref=mentions (https://www.facebook.com/zuck/videos/10111683294466031/?fref=mentions)
32 to 37 minutes into video = Best.... IMO interpretation of video::: Very important to inform parents anyone under 9 yrs of age = very very very low chance of mortality from corona virus but may be an asymptomatic carrier of the virus to grandpa/grandma etc. Any young adult has very very low chance of mortality from corona virus if infected..... We all panic when the young are at risk but probably no significant risk & try to save resources as very very very low risk of mortality. They should probably stay away from hospitals to prevent picking up something else contagious. Moms & dads.... Don't panic.... Save resources.... Now if low immune systems, diseases, & old folks (60 +) your more at risk.... Unless you enjoy swimming with sharks, avoid going to the stores, groceries, etc. The virus is similar & lurking to be picked up on the next buggy, door handle, credit card machine, shopping cart, etc. & jump on it's weak prey.... Very similar to a shark sensing the weak fish in the ocean..... just IMO... It would probably make more sense to just recommend all people at risk to stay home confined & have young relatives drop off supplies at your door. The relatives can stay outside to help prevent your possible infection. Virus could be on your purchases but there is no good solution except wiping boxes of food etc. with disinfectant unless you want to let it sit for 4 days to hopefully inactivate the virus if on your purchases.

And the initial fear due to reporting Infection Rates without reporting Mortality Rates per 10 year age groups::
https://abcnews.go.com/ (https://abcnews.go.com/)…/early-mortality-rates-covid…/story…
It's possible that COVID-19 isn’t as fatal as most people think.


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/germany-coronavirus-death-rate (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/germany-coronavirus-death-rate)
Germany, as of March 25, has recorded 35,714 Covid-19 infections but just 181 Germans have died from the disease. That puts its case fatality rate – the number of deaths out of confirmed coronavirus cases – at about 0.4 per cent.



Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Paraponera on March 28, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
Nothing has been proven to be effective as of yet so just make sure that whatever you are taking does not interfere with medications that you are already on. There is a fine line between medicine and poison. Chemicals can be just as dangerous from nature as the ones from a pharmacy.

Nobody here is an idiot, but I felt it should be said just in case someone who doesn't know better stumbles upon this thread and finds "the Cure", then proceeds to poison themselves with too much of it out of fear.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: shot on March 28, 2020, 05:25:18 PM
WebMd has a lot of info on side affects and drug interactions with vitamins and herbs.Along with others sites hopefully with non bias objectivity.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 28, 2020, 06:36:32 PM
Germany makes a lot of tests ,and they got manny new cases ( doubled from 25 march by now).
These are recent cases and people doesnt die instant or in a day or 2 ,thats why soo low mortality rate.
The death rate its probably 1,5-2 % ,depending on the population age .
If you look at cases that had an outcome its 17% deathrate now but its soo high because manny more are infected and not registered.
The higher the death rate, the more infected people are having mild simptoms,are not documented and are walking free infecting otthers.

The virus doesnt kill nobody,its their own immune system that kills them by over reacting .
You need a weak immune system to have mild symptoms but not too weak because then it will be atacked by bacteria and otther pathogens and complications will start ( ie,bacteria will kill you instead of the virus).

Women have almost double chanches to survive because their immune system its weaker ( weaker means stronger actually,more resistant to allergyes for instance).
They have weaker immune sistem because they have to accept foreign DNA of the father when they get pregnant.

 Bee pollen causes an allergic reaction ( usually mild ,non visible but for an alergic person can be deadly) and trains your body to not over react when it gets foreign contaminants like the virus.
Then ,in case you got a flu or a common cold,the symptoms will be mild because the immune system its used to not over react .

Altough somme people claim bee pollen its a wonder cure and fuperfood,it is not.
As a curiosity its not even a food because we can not digest it ,but its more valuable than a food because it can train your immune system .
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on March 28, 2020, 11:15:12 PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w)
“Cruise ships are like an ideal experiment of a closed population. You know exactly who is there and at risk and you can measure everyone,” says John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at Stanford University in California."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/cruise-ship-data-helps-reveal-coronavirus-death-rate-researchers (https://www.foxnews.com/us/cruise-ship-data-helps-reveal-coronavirus-death-rate-researchers)
"The 3.4% death rate the World Health Organization has reported... there is criticism from nearly all scientists that's too high, because of the under-reporting of cases."

"Russell and nine other researchers at the school analyzed the data from the cruise ship and, comparing it with Chinese data, estimate that the death rate from the virus is about 0.5 percent"

Hopefully more data will be released showing healthy people less than 50yr  are at an even lower mortality rate. This should decrease the populations fear. Also release of true mortality data will allow people to make informed decisions of risk of working etc.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 28, 2020, 11:43:38 PM
Palmcity,the cruise ship Diamond princess has 1,5% deathrate not 0,5 and it also has 15 people in intensive care.
Where do you get your facts about 0,5%?
Look here,detailed ,live ,worldwide corona situation.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: giorgosgr on March 29, 2020, 12:41:20 AM
Palmcity,the cruise ship Diamond princess has 1,5% deathrate not 0,5 and it also has 15 people in intensive care.
Where do you get your facts about 0,5%?
Look here,detailed ,live ,worldwide corona situation.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

Donf forget that a large portion of people that go on cruises are usually elderly. So it should be expected the death rate to be higher than that on the total population
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 29, 2020, 06:39:57 AM
Ive got a cold and i sneezed @300-400 times ,runny nose and eyes( eyes turned red a little) ,a little dizzyness at begining for @ 40 minutes and fever 37,5 C +mild headache probably from too much sneezing.
Difficulty breathing when i got to sleep but i took a nose spray and wasnt verry bad.

 Now after 9 hours,a warm bath and 2 hours of sleep i feel almost healed.
For sure tomorrow morning i will have no sign of this and probably will even test negative if i do the corona test.( im not sure its corona).
I expected to be much worse but it was actually just 30% of the intensity of a regular 24hours cold.
Still skary due to the circumstances.Actually it was soo skary at somme point that ive considered to take a Xanax wich now im glad i didnt.
Now il have to self quarantine for 2 weeks to protect otthers in case its corona.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0N18wQnJ/20200329-134100.jpg)The bee pollen jar wich i think it helped me and toilet peper used as handkerchief ,proof of the cold.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Pokeweed on March 29, 2020, 09:24:02 AM
I hope for your full and complete recovery! A 2 week quarantine may suck. I say "may" because it may just be an excuse to stay home and work on your projects.
I can't. Essential employment......
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: giorgosgr on March 29, 2020, 09:42:22 AM
Ive got a cold and i sneezed @300-400 times ,runny nose and eyes( eyes turned red a little) ,a little dizzyness at begining for @ 40 minutes and fever 37,5 C +mild headache probably from too much sneezing.
Difficulty breathing when i got to sleep but i took a nose spray and wasnt verry bad.

 Now after 9 hours,a warm bath and 2 hours of sleep i feel almost healed.
For sure tomorrow morning i will have no sign of this and probably will even test negative if i do the corona test.( im not sure its corona).
I expected to be much worse but it was actually just 30% of the intensity of a regular 24hours cold.
Still skary due to the circumstances.Actually it was soo skary at somme point that ive considered to take a Xanax wich now im glad i didnt.
Now il have to self quarantine for 2 weeks to protect otthers in case its corona.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0N18wQnJ/20200329-134100.jpg)The bee pollen jar wich i think it helped me and toilet peper used as handkerchief ,proof of the cold.

Running nose and sneezing are NOT symptoms of covid19. You have just a normal cold hopefully!
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on March 29, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
Palmcity,the cruise ship Diamond princess
Where do you get your facts about 0,5%?
Look here
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
I hope you recover quickly. IMO your odds are great of recovering if less than 50 by your pictures and I hope no disease states like diabetes or pulmonary issues and I see you do a lot of physical activity which is great.

It's almost useless to post infection rates except for an idea of when the spread will peak as all can be infected as no vaccine or immunity apparently until you have been exposed to it or until they make a vaccine (in progress). The WHO data page list::: IMO is of little more use as the TOTAL CASES is not = to TOTAL INFECTED. You are only looking at a very small subset of people that have worse symptoms and needed to be tested when seeing their total cases reported.

The WHO data page brings extra extra extra fear of death (Mortality) to all less than age 60 as those less than age 60 with no disease state or low immune system (according to U.S. as I see you may have been taught in reverse thinking at an overseas institution) are at a much lower Mortality rate than posted on WHO website list...

For the elderly::: IMO the WHO data page brings less fear of death to all over age 70 as those over age 70 with or without disease states are at probably a higher Mortality rate than posted on WHO website list.... IMO..... IMO the elderly should try to be isolated till this passes or a vaccine is available.

As you can tell, I am not fond of the WHO data format being reported.

Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 29, 2020, 02:34:49 PM
Thank you for your wishes.Its not risky for me but i have family to protect and i dont want to spread it to otthers.

20 hours passed since it started and i feel like its only 10 % of intensity left.No more running nose now but slight difficulty breathing .I had much more difficulty breathing from any flu and all the otther colds.

The difficulty breathing comes from congested nose( stuffy nose) and i used a nose spray.A verry good nose spray,not from plants or homeopatic but asside from that i didnt took any meds,not even Paracetamol .

Sneezing 300-400 times ,slight fever 37,5 but the most weird symptom was the headache .Fever and headache are verry rare for a normal cold.
Not a regular cold because i never had this type of headache on cold.
I  hope to beat it in 24 hours like all the otther colds.This is not a flu that lasts 2 weeks,its a cold.
I dont think il go to make the test because i could  infect otther people unnecesarry by going out of the house.

My age is 36 and im quite fit,no otther health problems .But at this intensity of this cold its hard to believe you could die even if you are 100 yrs old.Its verry weak but otther people might feel different so treat it with care.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 29, 2020, 08:04:55 PM
After 24 hours i feel 99,99% healed and will do my normal jobs around (inside) the house.
I have no difficulty breathing now,no stuffed nose sensation.
I did slept with wool socks because i felt cold feet and slight chills.

Im convinced i had Corona virus to the point that im considering to donate blood for otther people in case they get infected and its bad.The blood of the people that healed contains the antibodies that heal the corona cold.
Its good to have this in mind and talk with your young
family members.

I know that for my age wasnt a big risk but i also seen the chinese doctor that discovered the coronavirus in China on ,CNN and the next day he died.That doctor was 2 years younger than me (34 years age) and had the best medical services there compared to me wich i only took pollen and a nose spray.

If there are manny people that heal in 24 hrs like me i assume they heal soo fast they dont even have time to do the test and are not registered .

Update: i made a second hot bath and now i feel 100% fully recovered.Im not gonna need the nose spray/ droplets.Breathing is fully normal.
Hot bath helps and they act like having fever helping the immune system.If you have fever it is a good thing and do not take meds to stop it unless the fever becomes dangerously high.I weared wool socks while sleeping too,those helped also.

The nose spray contains xilometazoline clorhidrate and dexpanthenol.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 29, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
Palmcity,the cruise ship Diamond princess has 1,5% deathrate not 0,5 and it also has 15 people in intensive care.
Where do you get your facts about 0,5%?
Look here,detailed ,live ,worldwide corona situation.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

Donf forget that a large portion of people that go on cruises are usually elderly. So it should be expected the death rate to be higher than that on the total population
You are right that they are elderly but i think the cruise ship example could be wrong because they say everybody got the virus.
I dont think its that contagious and for sure its not as contagious as the flu.
Its not contagious as the flu because simply you dont cough all the time ,only at the begining and the corona has a lot less healing time than the flu wich lasts 2 weeks.
Something doesnt add up.If not everybody on that ship got sick then the death rate could be bigger.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: giorgosgr on March 30, 2020, 02:55:20 AM
Palmcity,the cruise ship Diamond princess has 1,5% deathrate not 0,5 and it also has 15 people in intensive care.
Where do you get your facts about 0,5%?
Look here,detailed ,live ,worldwide corona situation.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

Donf forget that a large portion of people that go on cruises are usually elderly. So it should be expected the death rate to be higher than that on the total population
You are right that they are elderly but i think the cruise ship example could be wrong because they say everybody got the virus.
I dont think its that contagious and for sure its not as contagious as the flu.
Its not contagious as the flu because simply you dont cough all the time ,only at the begining and the corona has a lot less healing time than the flu wich lasts 2 weeks.
Something doesnt add up.If not everybody on that ship got sick then the death rate could be bigger.

The main problem with covid19 is that its more contagious than the flu! I have been speaking with a pneumologist (head od the clinic) in italy and he said that the seriusness of covid19 is a little worse than the common flu but its extremely contagious. That and the absence of antibodies for that virus in our organisms is the reason everything is closed. Because your organism doesnt know how to fight it (so it takes time to heal) and everyone gets sick the same time, so the hospitals cant cope
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on March 30, 2020, 04:23:34 AM
I was at highest risk because i touch my eyes a lot.I wear contact lenses and thats how the virus entered my body.
But im living with another person that doesnt show any signs
.Off course she is at risk for 2 weeks ,7 days until i fully clean and the surroundings and she can develop simptoms after 7 +5 days of incubation of the virus= 12 days quarantine(14 to be sure).
I say its not contagious as the flu because i get manny colds and ive never infected anybody with a cold but with flu i did.

Because corona lasts soo little ( just 7 days quarantine needed if you are alone,14 days if you live with otther people) and because from corona you cough only for one day you cant spread it like a flu where you cough every day .
It does spreads by touch ,but good higiene can prevent people living together to get infected in case the corona patient doesnt cough.

Corona has nothing to do with the lungs, its just blocked nose and its in the nose and eyes.
Because people breathe on mouth with blocked nose,they can develop pneumonia wich is a serious complication .
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on April 01, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Great news as finally WHO is reporting lower Mortality Rates as more people are tested and not just the serious ill going to the hospital.   AGE
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases
80+ years old
21.9%
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%



40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old 

These Mortality Rates should drop much lower as more numbers of the population is tested...
As you can see, less than 50 yrs of age is very very low Mortality Rate..... And it should drop lower with more of the asymptomatic or very mild cases in population identified and tested.....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 01, 2020, 02:49:02 PM
Palmcity,now lower those numbers you see on worldometer by up to 4 times acording to this article.
We see just 20-40 % as recorded cases but there are manny more ,,asimptomatic,, .
Asimptomatic is a bad word because they jave symptoms for sure no matter they were mild.
The good news its that asimptomatics are way less contagious than the recorded cases ,its also stated in the link.
Thats why i say the flu its more contagious because there not asimptomatic from flu,they all cough and spread it while with Corona ,the asimptomatics dont cough.

The trick its not to get pneumonia wich would move the problem from corona to pneumonia.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238473-you-could-be-spreading-the-coronavirus-without-realising-youve-got-it/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238473-you-could-be-spreading-the-coronavirus-without-realising-youve-got-it/)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 05, 2020, 08:23:42 PM
A bit of an update.7 days have passed since i had recovered from coronavirus and theoretically im not contagious now but il have to stay in my house another 7 days because i got in contact with another person.
So far she dudnt got infected and the risk of her getting infected from me its lower day by day and its really low because the 5 days for oncubation perriod since i was the most contagious( since i coughed) have passed and another 2 days.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 07, 2020, 05:46:01 AM
Today after watching Cuomo wich struggles with coronavirus ,saying he has low igm( imunoglobulin) ,i googled a little about the bee pollen,somme scientific studyes.
Bee pollen increases the antibody imunoglobulin in chickens to the point its regarded as a natural treatment to avoid antibiotics.
I know it will also show high antibodies on the paper after you eat pollen and make a blood test wich would trick your doctor into thinking your severely ill ( because antibodies need to fight something).
I tend to think it helped me .
The scientific study about chickens eating a little bee pollen. http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-635X2013000400006 (http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-635X2013000400006)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on April 07, 2020, 11:41:25 AM
Glad your still ok.

Tv keeps reporting deaths which is of no statistical use without to what population infected. Only then can you get a mortality percent.

So far, less than 1 percent of U.S. population has been tested. As infection spreads, deaths have to increase but hopefully mortality rate in percent will go down if more total population data is collected.

Remember, all can get infected but young & healthy have a great percent odds of recovering with or without medical intervention should they become symptomatic.

The elderly, sick, immune compromised, pulmonary issues, HBP, Diabetes, etc. should be confined & isolated as much as possible away from others.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/should-schools-close-to-fight-virus-these-countries-say-no (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/should-schools-close-to-fight-virus-these-countries-say-no)
An interesting report of countries not closing schools & citing young are at so low a risk if not diseased etc. mentioned above. This would tend to decrease young/elderly interactions and elderly need to be protected. It should also speed the passing of it through the healthy younger population in a quicker time line.


Until most of population is immune by either having had it asymptomatic or with hopefully mild sysmptoms, The death rate will rise again as soon as restrictions are lifted.... Sooo, they are just going the long slow route without really proving death rate will not eventually be the same under either choice; one choice fast & one slow slow and prolonged until most of population becomes immune or decreases due to something else like heat of summer of just seasonal as hopefully it is.

 
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 07, 2020, 03:22:13 PM
Palmcity,Sweden its not doing well at all and keeping the schools open its bad idea because somme of those kids will basically kill their grandparents.
Sweden has just 10 mil population and 7000 corona cases but probably has a lot more and they only measured tougher cases.
One thing Sweden has as an advantage,if you ever been to that country,you will notice empty streets and erie cityes with few people seen outdoor.Its like they keep social distance all the time or that are quarantined all the time.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on April 07, 2020, 10:14:19 PM
I did not read about Sweden yet. However if the kids are at school like a college, they would not be able to quickly visit their grandparents.

I previously heard a problem with Italy was the grandparents living with the Kids and with the Grandkids... That is not good. The grandparents need to be separated and isolated. Lack of separation of the elderly from the young leads to the very bad situation, not the separation of the kids by sending them to college etc.

Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 07, 2020, 10:33:08 PM
I did not read about Sweden yet. However if the kids are at school like a college, they would not be able to quickly visit their grandparents.

I previously heard a problem with Italy was the grandparents living with the Kids and with the Grandkids... That is not good. The grandparents need to be separated and isolated. Lack of separation of the elderly from the young leads to the very bad situation, not the separation of the kids by sending them to college etc.
Then they could infect their teachers.Its verry bad practice Sweden does.Such a wealthy and educated country i would expect more from them.
Romania has double the population of Sweden ,we cloosed all schools a month ago and we have half the cases that sweden has ( romania 4000 cases-sweden 7000).
So Sweden its doing 4 times worse than us here.

What shocks me its that even with such low cases like in Romania( 4000 cases for 22 milion people) i still got it and i followed washing hands and everything.
I dont think its fully understud how this virus can be soo contagious iet the person that i got in contact with ,didnt get it wich makes me think its not as contagious as the flu or doesnt spreads like the flu.
I followed the family with coronavirus on youtube and the mother didnt got it altough she cared for her husband and daughter.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on April 07, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
Since most of the worlds population is under 50 and at a very low mortality risk unless disease or medical conditions, If this large population was quickly exposed to the virus (while protecting the elderly in isolation), the virus transmission might be ceased in 3 weeks.

The prevention of the masses from mixing only temporarily suppresses the deaths until once again gov't tries to restart.   (Unless it mysteriously becomes inactive in the summer due to seasonal changes).

Just a thought... It will never happen.... It will be a slow long painful process..
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 07, 2020, 10:54:30 PM
Since most of the worlds population is under 50 and at a very low mortality risk unless disease or medical conditions, If this large population was quickly exposed to the virus (while protecting the elderly in isolation), the virus transmission might be ceased in 3 weeks.

The prevention of the masses from mixing only temporarily suppresses the deaths until once again gov't tries to restart.   (Unless it mysteriously becomes inactive in the summer due to seasonal changes).

Just a thought... It will never happen.... It will be a slow long painful process..
You are right but that would be verry cruel and inhumane thing to do.
We will get past this .Steal from my experience with the pollen .
Those mesages of encouragement i got from people here made my day that day.I wasnt considering myself that badly ill to get the messages but i liked them and i would like to pay you something back: lessons from my experience.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on April 08, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
Most young people desire to mingle, especially bars & other places where there are other young. Mingling is quick as long as the gov't does not prevent mingling.

Anyone that has been tested to be + and now is no longer + for the virus would be at a premium in the workforce at this time. I bet they could easily get a job with many companies. Perhaps the governments will start allowing people to carry a verification card with them saying they were and are no longer covid-19 + and let them work any job they desire if qualified.

As you mentioned, if you get tested and if it was covid-19, your serum would be a premium to some people in the world.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: edzone9 on April 08, 2020, 03:10:16 PM
I fortify my immune system with :
Reishi / Chaga Tea , Oil Of Oregano And I always keep at 1 Gallon Of home Made Colloidal Silver has been a life saver for me and my family! , and no it’s not silver nitrate that turned a man blue .

Clean water and clean food, lots of Meditation in my garden 😊

I don’t do pharmaceuticals..

Ed
Stay Safe..
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: pineislander on April 11, 2020, 05:11:17 PM
Seawalnut I enjoy a good argument with you but hope your recovery goes well. I admire folks like this from Romania.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2KO8hQ78c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2KO8hQ78c)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 11, 2020, 05:54:33 PM
Seawalnut I enjoy a good argument with you but hope your recovery goes well. I admire folks like this from Romania.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2KO8hQ78c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2KO8hQ78c)
Thx.Its been 2 weeks since i have no simptoms now.Tomorrow i can get out .
I know that film from the link .I go fishing there( with fishing rods)  in verry remote areas .
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on April 13, 2020, 07:06:21 PM
Today i meet my brother and i swear he was never soo happy to see me .
I think he toght i might die or he had that in mind for sure altough i told everybody i wasnt bad at all and simptoms lasted just 24 hours.
This made me laugh today ,but the panic that this pandemic had created its impressive.
It skared people but if fear can protect you not to get sick ,then the fear its good.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on April 19, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
Spending time with the family thinking of what is most important in life is a good side effect.

It's mulberry season so add that to my other health foods. I'm also eating green dropped mango blown off the trees along with an occasional sapodilla.

Here's some news that all should know:  Over half the infected sailors on Carrier Roosevelt were Asymptomatic Carriers. This is why the high risk of Mortality should be isolated and stay isolated. When approached by a person, you can not tell who is infected and able to pass the virus...

Of 600+ tested, greater than 350 sailors were asymptomatic carriers (they did not know they were infected.)
https://www.navytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/16/secdef-majority-of-roosevelt-sailors-with-covid-19-are-asymptomatic-flattop-still-wartime-ready/?fbclid=IwAR2q9POhsnGwE0vrEQpU1sZ7unbhw8WOMuOjYhSoKQNEVs2JzcuxoVb3EEU (https://www.navytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/16/secdef-majority-of-roosevelt-sailors-with-covid-19-are-asymptomatic-flattop-still-wartime-ready/?fbclid=IwAR2q9POhsnGwE0vrEQpU1sZ7unbhw8WOMuOjYhSoKQNEVs2JzcuxoVb3EEU)




https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/13/831883560/can-a-coronavirus-patient-who-isnt-showing-symptoms-infect-others (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/13/831883560/can-a-coronavirus-patient-who-isnt-showing-symptoms-infect-others)
In one of the places where there has been extensive testing, the nursing home in Washington state, 56% of those who tested positive had no symptoms when they got tested. Aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked in Japan, February data showed that up to 50% of the people who tested positive showed no symptoms at the time and that an estimated 18% remained asymptomatic.


 In mid-January, a man returned to his home in Nanjing from a trip to Hubei province, the epicenter of China's epidemic. Ten days later, his wife started running a fever and vomiting; soon, she developed severe pneumonia and required care in the intensive care unit. The man was tested for the coronavirus, and the test came back positive; he's presumed to have spread the virus to his wife. The man had no symptoms of the virus.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on May 01, 2020, 05:57:52 PM
A week after Easter 3 villagers from my village street ( wich is just 100 meters long and has @ 20 houses)
have died.

A 88 years old but verry fit woman that used to ride bicicles and carry heavy bags from the grocery store that i tought they were too heavy even for me when i helped her a year ago to get the bags to her home- she made a stroke.

A 58 years old verry fit woman that was the wife of a religoius nut right winger that says all this coronavirus pandemic is a hoax and possibly they were going to church on Easter.Aparently she had cancer not corona.

And a 57 years old man,my friend ,wich had a construction materials shop and i just bought a few welding rods and angle grinder disks from him 5 days ago.Aparently he made a heart atack while sleeping.

Its too much coincidence as all these people are from different homes and families and i never seen anything like this before.
Authorities say there is no coronavirus here but i wonder if they didnt hide the fact that there is so that the villagers dont get skared and leave the village infecting otthers.
No otther people from these people that died are sick( probably they will do corona tests but i dont think they will tell to the otther villagers if they had it or not).

In the end,i found a shower hose cap at supermarket,identical to a shower cap my friend with construction materials shop had for sale.I always told him its too expensive to pay 5 dollars for that piece of plastic and that il never buy one.
But i bought one now in his memory and i will wet my plants with it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/WznbnyJT/20200502-000702.jpg)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Pokeweed on May 02, 2020, 09:22:12 AM
If they had died here in the States they would have been added to the coronavirus lists. I think if someone tests positive and they are hit by a bus they would be listed as a coronavirus fatality. I'm not big on conspiracies, but there is more going on than is being reported. "Don't look at the man behind the curtain!" D
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on May 16, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
Good Data...Nice seeing covid-19 deaths drop                            https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/ (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/) Shows Mortality Data over the last weeks...   Eating mango now as season is getting better at my house & some are sweetening up better.   Also ate a little dollar weed.
                         
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on May 28, 2020, 12:30:18 AM
Look at Quatar.The infectious rate per 1 mil population its the biggest in the world and its a warm country.
This comes to aid my theory about pollen competing with coronavirus because Quatar has not manny flowers and the pollen in the air its low because this country its located in a desert.
The death rate with only 30 cases for 45000 covid 19 cases looks ,,engineered,, like one would expect to find in such dictatorship ( i cant even call it dictatorship actually).
Just see the facts for yourselves https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: giorgosgr. on May 28, 2020, 12:43:23 AM
Look at Quatar.The infectious rate per 1 mil population its the biggest in the world and its a warm country.
This comes to aid my theory about pollen competing with coronavirus because Quatar has not manny flowers and the pollen in the air its low because this country its located in a desert.
The death rate with only 30 cases for 45000 covid 19 cases looks ,,engineered,, like one would expect to find in such dictatorship ( i cant even call it dictatorship actually).
Just see the facts for yourselves https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

Dont forget that Qatar may be a hot country but
1 humidity is also high which doesnt help with the virus
2 most people stay indoors exacly because its hot and with aircon the same air circulates so the infections mostly occur in buildings
3 also the tests done are high compered to other countries. For example countries such as Brazil have around 50% of test turn out positive
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on May 28, 2020, 06:03:51 AM
Look at Quatar.The infectious rate per 1 mil population its the biggest in the world and its a warm country.
This comes to aid my theory about pollen competing with coronavirus because Quatar has not manny flowers and the pollen in the air its low because this country its located in a desert.
The death rate with only 30 cases for 45000 covid 19 cases looks ,,engineered,, like one would expect to find in such dictatorship ( i cant even call it dictatorship actually).
Just see the facts for yourselves https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

Dont forget that Qatar may be a hot country but
1 humidity is also high which doesnt help with the virus
2 most people stay indoors exacly because its hot and with aircon the same air circulates so the infections mostly occur in buildings
3 also the tests done are high compered to other countries. For example countries such as Brazil have around 50% of test turn out positive
The comparison with otther countryes that they made more tests is just a scapegoat.
30 death from covid 19 with 45000 cases? Thats cover up.
Bit at least they didnt hide the numbers wich proove my theory that because they have no flowering plants ,covid 19 develops better there.
Its on par with my asumption about MERS wich only spread to Saudi Arabia,another country with no flowering plants and pollen in the air.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on July 03, 2020, 11:06:37 AM
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/poliomyelitis/facts (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/poliomyelitis/facts)
Just IMO interpretation of the above but read it to get your own view of the data.
Polio virus had a lot of similar characteristics to Covid-19 before the polio vaccine became available. Extremely contagious, asymptomatic to most of the population when infected, but deadly to many in specific segments of the population (the young).

A primary difference was the middle aged & elderly being usually asymptomatic with low death and permanent injury.

The young school children especially under the age of 10 were thought to be almost 100% infected before vaccine with many having mild symptoms and some asymptomatic but the few who were severe had Mortality from muscle paralysis and some survived with permanent muscle paralysis in different body locations.

Hopefully with covid 19 the at risk of MORTALITY groups will be protected until the vaccine becomes available.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on July 03, 2020, 07:39:19 PM
Right now they closed the small supermarket across the street where i live,for disinfection.
Somebody had covid 19 there.
In my city we had few cases and we got down to 0 right after i healed.
All was soo good due to the army and police enforcing the stay at home orders and wearing masks ,combined with the arrival of spring and trees flowering( pollen).
Now we have a lot more cases in my city,probably 500 without counting the soo called asimptomatics like me .
I think we should close again all restorants and travels ,reinforce the previous hard rules ,because it will be even worse .
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on July 04, 2020, 10:59:06 AM
I think we should close again all restorants and travels ,reinforce the previous hard rules ,because it will be even worse .
If a vaccine will not be available till 2021, I'm more for protecting the elderly & high risk of mortality groups to decrease a rising death count....

I'm tired of the prolonged restrictions and prefer getting on with life and allow others not high at risk of Mortality, the freedom of choice.... Normal freedom of choice should allow this virus to pass through those rapidly..... As long as deaths do not spike is my concern. I am much less concerned with % rise in healthy people being infected with low chance of mortality... This should allow a quicker passing & return to more of a normal.....

Since so so so long for development, there is NO GUARANTEE that when the final death count is taken after a vaccine is developed & administered to those desiring to be vaccinated that there will be less lives lost by attempting preventative measures (we never get 100% vaccination in the U.S. as always some object & will again).... There is only a GUARANTEE that current precautions to all groups will prolong the time for the virus to spread through available non isolated populations (keep at high risk of mortality groups isolated). 

If enough low risk of mortality groups decide to express their freedom of choice & mingle & become innoculated, this group if large enough may slow a second wave in the winter before the vaccine becomes available.

Just IMO.... And no it will not happen.... It will be a slow long long agonizing process. We will slowly see the population become gradually more & more infected.... Eventually it will get probably be close to 90% is my guess and then transmission will probably almost cease with the immunity in the 90% of the population helping to protect the other 10% which were hopefully the high risk of mortality groups including the elderly....



If you were in control on decreasing deaths in your country would it be easier to totally isolate those high at risk of Mortality for 2 months or try try try try try try try try try try try try to isolate them for 12 months while a vaccine is being developed....

The 2 month choice would be with healthy low risk of mortality choice to wear a mask & distance or not and just mingle (while keeping high risk of mortality & elderly totally isolated).....

Just a thought as final death counts could possibly be higher in either choice as unknown.... If medical facilities are available to handle cases & it seems facilities are available for the healthy low risk increasing in cases infected so far in the U.S. as not overwhelming available medical resources with less severe percentages of that population.

It is known that if in control of your country, a 2 month choice would allow less productivity losses.
However, unknown if higher or lower loss of life. The advocates  for shutdown and isolation tend to claim it would save lives but I question that case as long as high risk of mortality groups are kept isolated & medical resources are available & not overwhelmed.... Unknown... & Just a thought...

Then again, unknown if a 2 month would be ample time... Then again, would a 12 month.... Then again, even if a 12  or 14 month is enough time, All will never be vaccinated as many will refuse....

Thus in the end, life & death goes on regardless of choices... Hope for the best... And whatever that is is unknown....

Influenza even with it's vaccine available, does continue & continue & continue to kill thousands yearly.....

Obviously, I'm bored & little to do but type on this July 4 "independence day" Holiday in the U.S......



Why do I think a 2 month let the healthy population low risk of mortality groups mingle would rapidly spread the virus & eventual immunity? 
Watch nature TV, the urge to reproduce is one of the strongest urges that even suppresses the desire to eat or the fear of mortality.... Thus, Mingling will always occur,.... Can't be stopped.... only slowed.... The mature Rams etc. will butt heads to compete for the affection of the females.... Regardless of hunger or fear of death...... As soon as possible...... It's expected, it's life....and it's death.... but it's living free.....
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on July 08, 2020, 09:14:36 AM
One of the most feared U.S. virus was Poliovirus in the late 40's. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-polio-poliomyelitis (https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-polio-poliomyelitis)        In about 95% of all polio cases, the person has no symptoms at all. These are known as asymptomatic cases. The rest of polio cases can be divided into three types: abortive polio, non-paralytic polio, and paralytic polio.....                   In severe cases of paralytic polio, the throat and chest may be paralyzed. Death may result if the patient does not receive artificial breathing support. Between 2%-5% of children affected with paralytic polio die, whereas for adults, 15%-30% die.               https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html (https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html)      In the late 1940s, polio outbreaks in the U.S. increased in frequency and size, crippling an average of more than 35,000 people each year.
Polio Elimination in the U.S.

CDC.GOV
Polio Elimination in the U.S.
The U.S. is polio-free, thanks to a successful vaccination program.



I'm very happy the covid 19 virus is not targeting high mortality or high morbidity in young Children as the percentage is much lower on mortality/morbidity today vs. the 40's Poliomyelitis virus epidemics.... I'm sure todays parents/grandparents are also thankful.

Interesting to compare to 2 Virus Epidemics mortality/morbidity/infections as percentage of population....
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on July 11, 2020, 10:44:56 PM
Good news for people,China made vaccine based on real coronavirus ( covid 19) ,had entered phase 3 trial,2 weeks ago,in Brasil and somme arab countryes.
Thousands of people are vaccinated and it seems its effective but it will take a few months to see if the cases drop in those countryes areas where the vaccine is tested.
Its 100% efficient after 2 vaccines in 28 days.
By the end of the year or the beginning of the next year,they say it will be available for everybody.
We dont hear it from news in the west because its made in China but i think this is good news even for me wich il not get vaccinated because i am allready immune from covid.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: roblack on July 15, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200714171338.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200714171338.htm)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: SeaWalnut on July 16, 2020, 08:57:40 AM
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200714171338.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200714171338.htm)
Nice but overengineered and from what ive read ,that method hasnt been used in any vaccine by now.
On the otther hand,the chinese vaccine its trusty ,made from real covid 19 and by using the oldest,best known and most reliable vaccine developing method.
Its also in phase 3 close to finish.
I dont need vaccine but id pick the chinese vaccine if id had to .
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Nyuu on July 29, 2020, 09:54:36 PM
So what are you trying to boost your immune system with and or fight inculcation of covid 19?
 I feel like a mad scientist  brewing up elixirs.Maitake ,reishi ,cordyceps some things are growing here or in my yard,Rhodomyrtus tomentosa,curry leaf,oregano ,turmeric I dry these and grind to powder.
 Besides eating well fruits ,greens ,vegetables what are you folks doing or suggest?I have two parents with me that are old 90 ,91.
Guinea hen weed I use as a tea https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280758688_Petiveria_alliacea_L_Guinea_Hen_Weed_and_Its_Major_Metabolite_Dibenzyl_Trisulfide_Demonstrate_HIV-1_Reverse_Transcriptase_Inhibitory_Activity (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280758688_Petiveria_alliacea_L_Guinea_Hen_Weed_and_Its_Major_Metabolite_Dibenzyl_Trisulfide_Demonstrate_HIV-1_Reverse_Transcriptase_Inhibitory_Activity)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on September 25, 2020, 07:59:56 AM
On. Florida Governors website as of 9.24.20

Dr. Martin Kulldorff discusses the efficacy of lockdowns during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Professor @ Harvard University Medical school. Shares interesting results zero deaths of children age 1 to 15 in Sweden that never closed their schools.

High death rates in Peru where full lockdown was in effect; IMO he implies probably due to lack of isolation of elderly and high risk of mortality groups from society and other family members.

IMO after viewing video..... Video implications that little deaths in healthy young and should proceed with normal life activities during pandemic but should refrain from visiting elderly/low immune system people/disease/cancer/etc. etc. as they might be asymptomatic & IMO he believes primary importance is protecting those at risk groups vs. trying lockdowns especially of young healthy people.

Interesting that IMO he also believes that full lockdowns have little benefit and just prolong a slower passing of the virus through the population.


https://www.facebook.com/GovRonDeSantis/videos/353388886027111 (https://www.facebook.com/GovRonDeSantis/videos/353388886027111)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on September 25, 2020, 09:19:26 AM
There are only 5 active cases in my state and none in my city thank goodness and over a million tests have been done. I guess it isn't post covid living everywhere as it has to play out in a few places yet and there could always be a resurgence. Many fruit fans are keen for international travel to be normal again.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Francis_Eric on September 28, 2020, 12:35:08 AM
..(must a fell asleep as I made this post )
tomato isn't bad for the lungs
I just do not have time to write more it now
Garlic is antivirol , but for the lungs onion is better ..
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: countryboy1981 on September 28, 2020, 08:36:18 AM
There are only 5 active cases in my state and none in my city thank goodness and over a million tests have been done. I guess it isn't post covid living everywhere as it has to play out in a few places yet and there could always be a resurgence. Many fruit fans are keen for international travel to be normal again.

The places where it has not spread through will more than likely have to lockdown permanently as a vaccine is only suspdcted to be less effective or have about the same effect as the flu.  If you have a population without immunity and 5 years down the road someone travels there with it, it will go through that population as well.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on September 28, 2020, 09:22:47 AM
If immunity is gained by getting it and then recovering it will still be a small proportion of the pop of all countries. It is hard to know why containment is so much harder in some places than others.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: countryboy1981 on September 28, 2020, 10:08:59 PM
If immunity is gained by getting it and then recovering it will still be a small proportion of the pop of all countries. It is hard to know why containment is so much harder in some places than others.

Containment is a lot easier on an island than with open land borders.  But this virus will be with us like the flu.  Containment has worked great for the flu.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on September 29, 2020, 01:51:11 AM
Manhattan is an island.North and South America together is one big island. Containment has a lot to do with governments acting swiftly and decisively, the population responding properly and having a decent public health system. If the actions fly in the face of personal freedoms then some places are more exposed culturally. The quality of leadership in some places where covid has run riot is questionable also. There are a few places that better have people planting vegies right now because they are in for a long haul but not everywhere.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: countryboy1981 on September 29, 2020, 08:52:40 AM
Manhattan is an island.North and South America together is one big island. Containment has a lot to do with governments acting swiftly and decisively, the population responding properly and having a decent public health system. If the actions fly in the face of personal freedoms then some places are more exposed culturally. The quality of leadership in some places where covid has run riot is questionable also. There are a few places that better have people planting vegies right now because they are in for a long haul but not everywhere.

Are you saying that North and South America is one government?  I do not think you understand how containment works.  Even if the United States shutdown 100% of air and sea travel, there are two large open borders to the north and south which people can walk across.  If you are an island country, you can cut off air and sea travel to the country thereby containing it.  But good luck though as it seems this virus will be with us for years and years, it is not going away.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on September 29, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
I was talking about the reference to 'island' being a critical thing. I was getting at community transmission, protocols, level of testing, early and decisive action, quality of quarantining etc being most important with containment. The curve here peaked a while ago but yes with far fewer cases than other places and everything is pretty well back to normal except economically and with long distance travel etc.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Francis_Eric on October 03, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
..(must a fell asleep as I made this post )
tomato isn't bad for the lungs
I just do not have time to write more it now
Garlic is antivirol , but for the lungs onion is better ..

I said This from Personal experience
If You ever Biked long distance,
and slept, on mulch, and had to sneeze all the time from it for hours runny eyes etc.

If you've got a Bloody Mary after this, and it got rid of a runny nose constant sneezing you'd understand
(and even without cayenne pepper which I want it mine, but some bartenders do not add all the time )

Oh got to go.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on October 04, 2020, 09:28:59 PM
There was a case just 2000km from me this week. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on October 12, 2020, 07:29:15 AM
MM doesn't matter how you look it matters how you type and sound in this cyberworld. I have the ingredients for your potion in may garden except the Indian Gooseberry. Great advice and in my climate cold showers are ok but wearing sox to bed is stretching it.Which toxins are we talking about? Reflexology might be taking things too far and for half the year my town is one giant sauna with steamy air like syrup. Sound like I will be young forever.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on October 16, 2020, 12:15:28 AM
There are only 5 active cases in my state and none in my city thank goodness and over a million tests have been done. I guess it isn't post covid living everywhere as it has to play out in a few places yet and there could always be a resurgence. Many fruit fans are keen for international travel to be normal again.

One of two adult sons still living at home with my wife and I, was sick about 2 months ago & tested positive for covid 19. He had to stay home from work for 14 day precautions but was well in 5 days but he did have 2 days of diarrhea, tired, headache, and throwing up.

Other son got it and was very mild symptoms and he is also in his 20s.

My wife and I got it also and now you see that it is very contagious in confined areas and no we do not wear masks in our house lol...

I slept about 18 hours a day for 3 days and was extremely weak, muscle aches, mild headache, vision pain from moving my eyes up down or to the sides it felt like the eye muscles hurt behind the eyes. I only had fever mild 1 day. I usually walk 2 to 3 miles a day but could only walk 50 yards and turned around to go back to bed. I ached all over my body. It passed through me in 7 days. My wife did not have the eye pain and dizziness from it but did have the other symptoms with about same 7 days to pass through her.

None of us had respiratory lung symptoms. None of us coughed up mucus except maybe 1 day a very mild amount of mucus.

So we were thankful as mortality with the virus I believe usually occurs with lung involvement and hypoxia

Lower your risks and keep down the weight, control B.p., diabetes, etc. and exercise... Call 911 if any breathing problems .
Hopefully you will be asymptomatic instead of having these symptoms.
 
( 1 of the 4 of us went to be tested but 4 were sick so the percent of actual cases in any state is probably much higher than reported and there is now probably a much higher percent of the population with immunity after it passing through them).

It's been about a month since my wife and I had it and we enjoy going shopping and wear masks only to make other people happy and no longer wipe down the shopping carts and could care less about touching the door handles of the stores.... I am very very happy now... yea..... I know it's possible but very very very low odds for another infection to hit us this winter...
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
Wow that is pretty confronting stuff. Over here it was rare really and managed tightly before it could spread much and the public health system is pretty good. I have been shocked at what has been going down in brazil, india and the US where culture and leadership may have contributed to problems.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: palmcity on October 16, 2020, 10:19:20 PM
1.Over here it was rare really and managed tightly before it could spread much and
2. the public health system is pretty good.
3.I have been shocked at what has been going down in brazil, india and the US where culture and leadership may have contributed to problems.

Interesting differing opinions to mine.

Since all can be infected with no prior exposure and antibodies to the virus I doubt that spread in U.S., Brazil,India, Italy, China, etc. large cities could have been stopped once a few random exposures occurred of people walking down the city streets. I do not believe a pretty good public health system could have stopped the spread in these cities.

Italy and Brazil tend to have more grandparents living with or helping the younger family members. These older family members are more at risk of mortality (death) with Covid 19 and thus more deaths.

I am happy that our government did not force lockdowns like in some cities in China. As we all know China with more gov't ability than most to lockdown cities, was unable to stop the spread to other parts of the world and I doubt if any country could after thousands became infected in their country. Thus I don't really blame anyone but instead just look at it as a normal process of a virus working through a animal species and causing little to no harm to most of the animals but killing off many of the weakened animals....

So exercise, Fight, try to keep from being in classifications that the virus preys on as weakened, and hope your times not near as most will not die with this virus per the stats..... But, all can become infected at this time without vaccine or prior exposure and antibodies etc.... Wearing a mask, washing hands, etc. will help lower you odds of initial infection.

Any time anyone starts talking out of their head when fighting the virus is a possible sign of hypoxia and call 911 in U.S

I make a yearly decision to get influenza vaccine and will also get covid 19 vaccine when available but many in the U.S. choose not to and that's their choice and I'm good with that. If young and not in a high risk group they will have good probability of it just passing through them as it did the 4 of us in our home (but I will get the vaccine when available in the future).
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 11:45:56 PM
Doesn't seem to matter whether it is a communist country or open democracy or how locked down things became. Russia has lots of covid cases compared to say New Zealand. Things were never locked down too tight here and it isn't as though there was ever a time when you could go to the bank or supermarket. By cultural I meant extended big families and crowding are hard to manage and where individual freedoms are the priority or where people are more likely to be defiant of government advice.
Countries that defy international advice and cooperation, were slow to react and had lazy double talking leadership have suffered more. A good public health system means more tests are done, they are free or cheap, hospitalisation, treatment and drugs are free or cheap and the best advice is on hand immediately makes a big difference. The every person for themselves health model doesn't go so well with pandemics.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: roblack on October 22, 2020, 10:38:18 AM
I like plants
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Mike T on October 23, 2020, 08:41:28 AM
Don't know what came over me and yes back to plants.
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: roblack on November 01, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
Don't know what came over me and yes back to plants.

It happens, lol!

Fish Mint has been growing well in the shade of my rollinia tree, with no care.

Asiatic Day Flower is holding on, thought it had bit the dust.

Both supposedly contain useful antiviral agents. 

Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: Francis_Eric on November 02, 2020, 06:55:28 PM
Do not drink Dairy with a respiratory infection

I have cured blood poisoning a lot actually
think bicycling staying awake , and not cleaning wounds not good

Yes Garlic is good for blood (antiviral ) , but I would say Onion for Lungs is better

I feel bad not going on about this, but scary seeing people buy up all the herbs to themselves
Or imagining that like people already did with toilet paper.

Edit never heard of fish mint will look into it (I thought you just said mint (mint has vitamin A)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: roblack on November 02, 2020, 11:37:55 PM
Houttuynia cordata = fish mint

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995764515002230 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995764515002230)
Title: Re: covid 19 and herbs ect
Post by: shot on November 05, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Houttuynia cordata = fish mint  has been very slow growing for me .I think we are to lowland hot for it to thrive maybe in winter it will pick up.