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Title: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 10, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
The legendary Har Mahdeem has tasted an awful lot of mangos in his life (and remained a wonderful, humble guy)!  Always willing to offer you great advice when you meet him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGCCkUhM0I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGCCkUhM0I)

To recap, Fruit Punch, Jakarta, Kathy, Lemon Zest, M-4, Orange Essence, Pram Kai Meu, and Carrie.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: shot on April 10, 2020, 10:07:00 AM
Har such a great person!
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Post by: mangokothiyan on April 10, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
Har such a great person!

Totally agree. And so knowledgeable.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 10, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
The legendary Har Mahdeem has tasted an awful lot of mangos in his life (and remained a wonderful, humble guy)!  Always willing to offer you great advice when you meet him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGCCkUhM0I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGCCkUhM0I)

To recap, Fruit Punch, Jakarta, Kathy, Lemon Zest, M-4, Orange Essence, Pram Kai Meu, and Carrie.

Happy that I have 5 of the mangoes on the list. Fruit Punch, Kathy an Orange Essence are grafts on to other trees, but I have Carrie and Lemon Zest on the ground. A good size M-4 is next on my list. 
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: sunny on April 10, 2020, 10:43:39 AM
Brahm kai meu is originally from my province but i have never seen the mango....I have 2 of those tree's though and they are disease resistant it seems but they didn't bloom yet.

It is a green eating mango i heard, but is it really nice eaten green? As nice as mun kun si or keo savoei?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: fliptop on April 10, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
Har should narrate audio books.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: zands on April 10, 2020, 12:15:22 PM
With Lemon Zest having problems that have been discussed here..... I wonder what Har says to do to keep them healthy and producing. On his list I have Lemon Zest and Carrie. They have some huge mangoes hanging in this video.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 10, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
Har is a great resource. Lucky to have him on the forum.

Jakarta is a great mango, as well as the related bombay and sunrise (surprised Har did not recommend sunrise).

As for lemon zest, I've had good success with them. This year, all 3 are loaded and haven't spotted MBBS on them yet this year (except for a few when they were bb-sized, which eventually just dropped off). The key has been fortnightly fungicide spraying. However, those who live in less humid areas or with sufficient air flow may not have any issues -- it really seems to vary by location. My LZ have also been regular producers over the past 3 years or so.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 10, 2020, 01:43:48 PM
With Lemon Zest having problems that have been discussed here..... I wonder what Har says to do to keep them healthy and producing. On his list I have Lemon Zest and Carrie. They have some huge mangoes hanging in this video.
I think he does mention that Truly Tropical's coastal location is best for LZ.  Also, he says the if he spots any MBBS on immature fruit, he immediately removes that fruit.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 10, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.
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Post by: EddieF on April 10, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
So looking forward to the day i'm ready to head there & bring home a few of them trees!  Still prepping.
I must've watched 10hrs of TT videos :)
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 10, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Har is a great resource. Lucky to have him on the forum.

Jakarta is a great mango, as well as the related bombay and sunrise (surprised Har did not recommend sunrise).

As for lemon zest, I've had good success with them. This year, all 3 are loaded and haven't spotted MBBS on them yet this year (except for a few when they were bb-sized, which eventually just dropped off). The key has been fortnightly fungicide spraying. However, those who live in less humid areas or with sufficient air flow may not have any issues -- it really seems to vary by location. My LZ have also been regular producers over the past 3 years or so.

I thought about Sunrise as well when I watched the video. My tree has a good crop this year. One of my favorites.  My LZ is small, three years in the ground, but it has about 10 mangoes on it now.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 10, 2020, 03:38:58 PM
OS tends to be smaller, and differently shaped. In my yard, it tends to be less productive. Flavor is slightly different, closer to LM in my mind. (I like LZ best of the three.) OS also seems more susceptible to internal breakdown.

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: savemejebus on April 10, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
Fruit Punch (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Lemon Zest (YESSS - Har is the man!)

M-4 (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Orange Essence (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Carrie (You are dead to me.)

Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 10, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
:D It's all about eating it at just the right time. The carrie can either be smooth and ultra delicious or the taste and texture of vomit, depending on cultural conditions and stage of ripeness. There's not much of an in between.

Fruit Punch (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Lemon Zest (YESSS - Har is the man!)

M-4 (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Orange Essence (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Carrie (You are dead to me.)
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: TonyinCC on April 11, 2020, 06:10:18 AM
The main problem with Carrie is there is not much of an in between.
 Underripe it has TOO much resin (and I like resinous mangoes).
 Texture is a problem, it just turns to mush when overripe.
 No real visual clues I can pick up and hard to tell just by firmness when it is perfect.
At least from my Dad's tree it seems like the window of perfection for picking is only hours long, and I am usually disappointed when I eat one.
What cultural conditions are best to maximize chances of getting good ones?
It can be supremely delicious BUT I much prefer mango varieties that are consistently and predictably good.
My Dad is stubborn and won't let me topwork his Carrie tree.  He does have an irrigation system and good topsoil, I wonder if that is affecting the way the fruit ripens. I don't give the tree any nitrogen.
 One plus is that it often sets some fruit from early bloom , one year we were eating fruit April 20th and usually have some drops that are edible by early May. Sometimes it will hold a few fruit from later bloom until early August too, every year I check the whole tree in mid-late July to see if any are hiding.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 11, 2020, 07:48:06 AM
Yep, great resource and a humble man.  After losing 2 of 3 large branches of Orange Sherbet attached at the same point on the trunk of a cocktail tree Har pointed out that it's too much weight bearing for such a single point.  Alternate branching is the only way to go on mango.

To be honest I haven't really tasted a bad mango coming out of Florida whether I grew it or ordered a box from Alex year after year.  I also LOVE Glenn which bought from PIN. I have a graft/branch of Fruit Punch on it.

I know these are Har's faves but there's lots good ones like Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure too. 

My first Glenn.  The super sweet almost nauseating tropical aroma that comes from this fruit is unreal.  Had to move it away from my computer it's so strong.  Great texture and taste.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQPNmKPw/Glenn-Fruit-July24.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQPNmKPw)

Mark
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: palmcity on April 11, 2020, 08:20:08 AM
The main problem with Carrie is there is not much of an in between.
 Underripe it has TOO much resin (and I like resinous mangoes).


I think you would roll over if you saw me yesterday..... I was picking up the dropped green to yellowish (close to rotting) Carrie Mangos off the ground and eating them.... I enjoyed the resinous mixture under the hard green skin of these small dropped mangos... lol...It's one of my favorite early season drops to pick up and eat green (almost rotten greenish-yellow skin).... Yep, we all have different tastes.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: zands on April 11, 2020, 10:59:30 AM
The main problem with Carrie is there is not much of an in between.
 Underripe it has TOO much resin (and I like resinous mangoes).


I think you would roll over if you saw me yesterday..... I was picking up the dropped green to yellowish (close to rotting) Carrie Mangos off the ground and eating them.... I enjoyed the resinous mixture under the hard green skin of these small dropped mangos... lol...It's one of my favorite early season drops to pick up and eat green (almost rotten greenish-yellow skin).... Yep, we all have different tastes.

The best carambola are those that drop to the ground and late in the season. They have the most sweetness and the least astringency. Cut off the green edges that are the most astringent part of the fruit. Over-ripe is the best for this fruit. Though if juicing, pick it at firm.

Mango drops. If gotten too by a critter I will toss in the bushes. If I really want to eat it, is an above average mango, I subject it to high pressure out of the garden hose nozzle attachment. Focused on where the wound is. With Covid X here I often wash my hands via high pressure water out of the garden hose. Knocks all the baddies off. With a bit of liquid dish washing soap first rubbed around.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on April 11, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: CherimoyaDude on April 11, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
I want to see a Har top 10 annona video next!
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Oolie on April 11, 2020, 04:57:07 PM
I want to see a Har top 10 annona video next!

He posted it on these boards some time ago.
Interestingly, Pawpaw ranks above Cherimoya.
I have tasted a lot of annonas, including over 400 hybrids that I bred.

 Which are the tastier ones?  The order of mention could vary a lot, depending on the genetics and culture of the tree and on the genetics and culture of the taster.

"De gustibus non disputandum est!"

1) Some varieties of Northern-Pawpaw and some varieties of Cherimoya vie for Number One on my list.  Other varieties of those same species I do not like at all!
2) Crassiflora
3) Cawesh
4) Amazon Custard Fruit / Biriba
5) Custard-Apple
6) Ilama
7) Guanabana

Sugar-Apples and Atemoyas and Muvulus are also good. 

Interesting but problematic are Mountain-Soursops and Soncoyas and Cornifolia and many small-and-seedy Rollinia species.

Check to see if anyone is having success with fruiting Pawpaw (Asimina triloba) in your area [I don't know if it can take Santa Ana winds.].  That is the only Annonaceae family fruit which I like even better than cherimoya.

I have heard very good things about Annona vepretorum, from southern Brazil, which might do well in your area.  Southern Brazil also has several very tasty, but very seedy, Rollinia species, which also might do well in your area.

Annona crassiflora, from the dryish central Brazilian plateau, is also amazingly delicious, and possibly tough enough for southern California.  It has a serious lack of adaptability to soils outside of its native area--- may need extreme acidity?  Mycorrhizae?

Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Jabba The Hutt on April 11, 2020, 08:42:11 PM
:D It's all about eating it at just the right time. The carrie can either be smooth and ultra delicious or the taste and texture of vomit, depending on cultural conditions and stage of ripeness. There's not much of an in between.

Fruit Punch (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Lemon Zest (YESSS - Har is the man!)

M-4 (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Orange Essence (YESSS - Har is the man!)

Carrie (You are dead to me.)

So what you're saying is that if there were an in between it would taste like delicious vomit? :P
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 12, 2020, 09:13:56 AM
I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.

I have both.  They are very vigorous.  I've hit them with a PGR which helps shorten internodes.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: AlexTrees on April 12, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
Mark what is PGR?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 12, 2020, 09:49:10 AM
y? Because the branches have more of a tendency to droop when they get long?

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on April 12, 2020, 10:18:34 AM
y? Because the branches have more of a tendency to droop when they get long?

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.

Orange Sherbet trees tend to be more compact and less vigorous than LZ in my experience, produce more consistently and the fruit is much more resistant to MBBS.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: zands on April 12, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
Mark what is PGR?

Mark knows all the fancy chords. This one seems to have started with marijuana growers.

PGR must be this:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=PGR+fertilizer&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBRE (https://www.bing.com/search?q=PGR+fertilizer&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBRE)

Are Plant Growth Regulators (PGRs) Safe? | Planet Natural
https://www.planetnatural.com/plant-growth-regulators (https://www.planetnatural.com/plant-growth-regulators)
Note: In the last couple years, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has decided that naturally derived liquid kelp and seaweed products must be registered as plant growth regulators (PGR). The designation seems odd to us. After all, weíve been using kelp fertilizers on Ö
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: sunny on April 12, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Mark what is PGR?

Mark knows all the fancy chords. This one seems to have started with marijuana growers.

PGR must be this:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=PGR+fertilizer&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBRE (https://www.bing.com/search?q=PGR+fertilizer&go=Search&qs=ds&form=QBRE)

I think he used paclobutrazol like many many mangofarmers do. But you should use it after the mangotree has given fruit.

Are Plant Growth Regulators (PGRs) Safe? | Planet Natural
https://www.planetnatural.com/plant-growth-regulators (https://www.planetnatural.com/plant-growth-regulators)
Note: In the last couple years, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has decided that naturally derived liquid kelp and seaweed products must be registered as plant growth regulators (PGR). The designation seems odd to us. After all, weíve been using kelp fertilizers on Ö
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 12, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Interesting. Both of mine (grafted to a old glenn) grow with incredible vigor. I remember Walter's tree being huge as well. Wonder if there is some rootstock influence there.

y? Because the branches have more of a tendency to droop when they get long?

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.

Orange Sherbet trees tend to be more compact and less vigorous than LZ in my experience, produce more consistently and the fruit is much more resistant to MBBS.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on April 12, 2020, 04:29:53 PM
Interesting. Both of mine (grafted to a old glenn) grow with incredible vigor. I remember Walter's tree being huge as well. Wonder if there is some rootstock influence there.

y? Because the branches have more of a tendency to droop when they get long?

I wonder what the main differences are between LZ and Orange Sherbet.  I remember Har tasting it and liking it last summer.

On their best days , LZ is sweeter. But I like orange sherbet as a tree much better.

Orange Sherbet trees tend to be more compact and less vigorous than LZ in my experience, produce more consistently and the fruit is much more resistant to MBBS.

Probably because they were topworks, although we do have two top-worked Orange Sherbets that havenít been too bad for their rate of growth.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Gonzo65 on April 12, 2020, 11:47:53 PM
Yep, great resource and a humble man.  After losing 2 of 3 large branches of Orange Sherbet attached at the same point on the trunk of a cocktail tree Har pointed out that it's too much weight bearing for such a single point.  Alternate branching is the only way to go on mango.

To be honest I haven't really tasted a bad mango coming out of Florida whether I grew it or ordered a box from Alex year after year.  I also LOVE Glenn which bought from PIN. I have a graft/branch of Fruit Punch on it.

I know these are Har's faves but there's lots good ones like Sweet Tart and Pineapple Pleasure too. 

My first Glenn.  The super sweet almost nauseating tropical aroma that comes from this fruit is unreal.  Had to move it away from my computer it's so strong.  Great texture and taste.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQPNmKPw/Glenn-Fruit-July24.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQPNmKPw)

Mark

Where do you get mangoes from? Who is this Alex guy lol
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 13, 2020, 08:07:24 AM
Mark what is PGR?


Plant growth regulator.  I use paclobutrazol.  Just ran out of Bonzi, bought another brand. http://www.clo2india.net.in/paclobutrazol-for-vegetables-fruits-1816648.html (http://www.clo2india.net.in/paclobutrazol-for-vegetables-fruits-1816648.html)

It has been and is currently applied to veggies and fruits in other countries to increase yields or quality and induce tree compaction.  Only approved for use on ornementals in the U.S., which is pretty stupid.  Aussies always apply paclo to their avocado orchards, Indians to their mango orchards, etc.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hX5QBxRg/Paclo-Pro.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hX5QBxRg)
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 13, 2020, 08:12:29 AM
Where do you get mangoes from? Who is this Alex guy lol

You are kidding?  https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/shop (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/shop)
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Gonzo65 on April 13, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Where do you get mangoes from? Who is this Alex guy lol

You are kidding?  https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/shop (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/shop)

100% serious
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Fish Have Feelings on April 13, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
I want to see a Har top 10 annona video next!

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

I agree with HAR love Carries but is any Mango tougher to pick correctly?

Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 13, 2020, 12:21:56 PM
I want to see a Har top 10 annona video next!

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

I agree with HAR love Carries but is any Mango tougher to pick correctly?

For me, Mallika is the hardest to pick.

Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: TonyinCC on April 13, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
Have you tried picking Mallika when the color STARTS to break towards yellow?  If I pick when the shoulder has some yellow and give them a week to 10 days they are great. If they are more than 25% yellow when picked they can sometimes have some carrot overtones. One year I picked some later that were over 75% yellow. After a couple days on table they actually tasted like orange creamsicles. Only in that one instance have I ever tasted citrus/vanilla flavor from that variety.
If you pick them near fully colored they are 50-50 might taste fine or may have the mango death funky flavor.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: bulldawg305 on April 15, 2020, 11:02:55 PM
I want to see a Har top 10 annona video next!

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

I agree with HAR love Carries but is any Mango tougher to pick correctly?

For my Carrie tree once I see they grow good width at the shoulders along the stem, they are good to go. Also, if you are able to reach and bend the mango up 90 degrees they should fall off when ready. Which is not the case with others like peach cobbler which was nearly impossible for me to figure out how to pick last year.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 17, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
For me, Mallika is the hardest to pick.

Taste like a carrot to me.  It now hosts Zill varieties.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Guanabanus on April 18, 2020, 08:01:52 PM
I did mean to include Pineapple Pleasure on this list.  Forgot--- probably because I have tasted it only two or three times--- it usually doesn't fruit well.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 19, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
I did mean to include Pineapple Pleasure on this list.  Forgot--- probably because I have tasted it only two or three times--- it usually doesn't fruit well.
But is that it, Har?  Only nine varieties?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 19, 2020, 10:42:45 AM
For me, Mallika is the hardest to pick.

Taste like a carrot to me.  It now hosts Zill varieties.

I have had a few like that. But if properly picked, I think it is as good as any of the new Zill varieties.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on April 19, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 19, 2020, 01:23:34 PM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Whoa!  Really, Alex?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 20, 2020, 08:53:35 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.

Got a source for some of dat good ol camel dung?   ;D  I thought PIN was kidding including it in their description.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 20, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.

Got a source for some of dat good ol camel dung?   ;D  I thought PIN was kidding including it in their description.
Zoo Miami.  Maybe Palm Beach Zoo as well.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: simon_grow on April 20, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
I did mean to include Pineapple Pleasure on this list.  Forgot--- probably because I have tasted it only two or three times--- it usually doesn't fruit well.

Har, it would be great to see a video of supremely delicious Mangos that are also productive and disease resistant.

Simon
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 20, 2020, 01:52:06 PM
I did mean to include Pineapple Pleasure on this list.  Forgot--- probably because I have tasted it only two or three times--- it usually doesn't fruit well.

Har, it would be great to see a video of supremely delicious Mangos that are also productive and disease resistant.

Simon
Ha!  Maybe no such thing.  On the list I see only 2 that might qualify.  PKM and OE?  We might have to settle for "Almost Supremely Delicious, but Productive and Disease Resistant!"  And for Californians it might be a different group altogether.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: sunny on April 20, 2020, 09:57:41 PM
I did mean to include Pineapple Pleasure on this list.  Forgot--- probably because I have tasted it only two or three times--- it usually doesn't fruit well.

Har, it would be great to see a video of supremely delicious Mangos that are also productive and disease resistant.

Simon

Brahm kai meu is very disease resistant i can tell...i grow these tree's and they look like coming out of a japanese factory, everything is perfect on them. I have grown loads of other varieties as well and they always had many issues and never had perfect leaves like BKM.

But i still have to eat this mango, when i pruned this tree it smelled really good, strong complicated mango smell so i have high hopes for it. If only it would fruit more easy.

Lately i have many small bee's on the new flushes of my keo sawoei mango, the bee's must really like them for some reason. The BKM tree's is next to it and flushing but the bee's won't go to that one...both are good green mango varieties so i wonder what the bee's can smell.


Ha!  Maybe no such thing.  On the list I see only 2 that might qualify.  PKM and OE?  We might have to settle for "Almost Supremely Delicious, but Productive and Disease Resistant!"  And for Californians it might be a different group altogether.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: MangoCountry on April 21, 2020, 10:06:45 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Agreed, although I find it even more comparable to Orange Sherbet, in fact almost identical
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 21, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
Agree. However, they tend to be very finicky, and flavor can be all over the map.

A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Agreed, although I find it even more comparable to Orange Sherbet, in fact almost identical
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on April 22, 2020, 09:22:29 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Whoa!  Really, Alex?

Mallika is a hybrid between Neelam and Dasheri, but it really doesnít taste like Neelam at all. It inherited its flavor from the Dasheri which is known for having that citrus component.

Dasheri is originally from  northern India in the area of Lucknow. A theory that Ive mentioned here before and I think may hold merit is that the citrus-flavored Burmese/Lemon Meringue mangos And the Dasheri May share a common ancestor. Not only is their flavor similar, but they have similar shape, color, and another interesting trait: you may have noticed before that Lemon Meringue And Lemon Zest Can get these green splotches in their pigmentation when they ripen. One of the mangos that also gets that same green splotch pigmentation? Mallika.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 22, 2020, 11:02:06 AM
That's supremely interesting about Mallika.  I grew it for the first time in Coconut Creek in 1998. And then again in about 2015 in Deerfield Beach.  The flavor was different in the two locations.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Oolie on April 22, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
Lemon Zest flushed early this year, and all the new vegetation looks pretty sad in the cold, wet weather. Mallika did not flush, but its hardened-off growth looks excellent despite the cold, wet weather.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Oolie on April 23, 2020, 04:18:30 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Whoa!  Really, Alex?

Mallika is a hybrid between Neelam and Dasheri, but it really doesnít taste like Neelam at all. It inherited its flavor from the Dasheri which is known for having that citrus component.

Dasheri is originally from  northern India in the area of Lucknow. A theory that Ive mentioned here before and I think may hold merit is that the citrus-flavored Burmese/Lemon Meringue mangos And the Dasheri May share a common ancestor. Not only is their flavor similar, but they have similar shape, color, and another interesting trait: you may have noticed before that Lemon Meringue And Lemon Zest Can get these green splotches in their pigmentation when they ripen. One of the mangos that also gets that same green splotch pigmentation? Mallika.
Since PPK lacks the green spotting, and the LZ has a flavor more similar to Mallika, doesn't that imply that Mallika may be the pollen parent of LZ?

Time for some mango daytime TV.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Tommyng on April 23, 2020, 04:28:33 AM
Iíve tried mallika before, itís an excellent mango. It was so good I have a tree. There are people that seem to hate it but thatís true of all things. Iíve picked it when tree ripened and stored it to ripen and both turned out good mangos.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on April 23, 2020, 07:30:16 AM
A properly ripened Mallika is very similar in flavor to Lemon Zest.
Whoa!  Really, Alex?

Mallika is a hybrid between Neelam and Dasheri, but it really doesnít taste like Neelam at all. It inherited its flavor from the Dasheri which is known for having that citrus component.

Dasheri is originally from  northern India in the area of Lucknow. A theory that Ive mentioned here before and I think may hold merit is that the citrus-flavored Burmese/Lemon Meringue mangos And the Dasheri May share a common ancestor. Not only is their flavor similar, but they have similar shape, color, and another interesting trait: you may have noticed before that Lemon Meringue And Lemon Zest Can get these green splotches in their pigmentation when they ripen. One of the mangos that also gets that same green splotch pigmentation? Mallika.
Since PPK lacks the green spotting, and the LZ has a flavor more similar to Mallika, doesn't that imply that Mallika may be the pollen parent of LZ?

Time for some mango daytime TV.

PPK does get the green spotting actually, although LZ seems to get it more.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Pan Dulce on April 24, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
Who needs to worry about coronavirus when you can eat some fruit, that recently received a 12 or 24 hour REI pesticide spray.



Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 24, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Who needs to worry about coronavirus when you can eat some fruit, that recently received a 12 or 24 hour REI pesticide spray.
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Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 24, 2020, 07:36:55 PM
Even the OMRI listed pesticides have a 12+ hour REI. Good old copper oxide (Nordox 75 for example) has a reentry interval of 12 hours. We use copper as cookware, jewelry, plumbing, etc, so it seems a bit overboard to have a 12 hour REI for copper oxide. However, I think the EPA is a bit over conservative with regards to pesticides.

Who needs to worry about coronavirus when you can eat some fruit, that recently received a 12 or 24 hour REI pesticide spray.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 26, 2020, 09:06:10 AM
We are a country of fearful neurotics and hypochondriacs.  Here's a quote from a SoCal avocado growing group I belong to:

"I've heard a few people mention white washing the bark of your tree and I don't understand why one would need to paint a tree with a chemical based paint? I want all the trees in my yard to be 100% organic. so tell me what white washing is and why it's important? Is it important? I live in Claremont California."

My response:

$%*(@#@$$, so you've run a lab analysis on such painted tissue and found levels of "chemicals" exceed EPA standards, what exactly are those chemicals? 95% of the organic/natural movement is a joke based on fear and ignorance. Having said that I have been pushing a spray of kaolin clay wettable powder not because I'm a fearful neurotic but because it's cheap and a helluva lot easier to mix and apply. https://www.groworganic.com/products/surround-25-lb... (https://www.groworganic.com/products/surround-25-lb...)

Don't know if Captan would help but it has no REI interval posted on our Aggie vineyard pesticide list.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 26, 2020, 10:53:16 AM
Har's List of Essential Oddities.  (I really like Dot and would like to try Coconut Cream and Ice Cream.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G-fvKm5BUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G-fvKm5BUk)

I'm bumping this up so y'all can see the new video.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 26, 2020, 08:39:25 PM
Har's latest.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 26, 2020, 09:06:53 PM
:D Yah, it's gotten overboard. What I find humorous is that Bruce Ames (previous chair of biochem at Berkeley) proved that organic produce is higher in carcinogens than conventional back in the 80's.

Life is full of pendulum swings. In the 40's, 50's and 60's the general public was enamored with lab created foods, pesticides, etc, the mindset being that technology could improve on nature. All sorts of nutty pesticides were used back then, with reckless abandon. (My step-father grew up on a farm during this time period and ended up coming down with cancer in his 60's.)

Then, in the 60's and 70's a small group of folks began pushing against the pesticides of the day (eg, Silent Spring), and in the 80's the organic movement started to rise. Then, somewhere in the 2000's I guess, organic went mainstream and really took root in the millenial generation, who I think viewed it as some sort of counter-cultural ideal.

The EPA has come a long way since the 1960s, and modern pesticides (as well as worker protocols) render their use quite safe. But, the pendulum has swung very hard to the opposite extreme, where the mainstream mindset is that anything produced in a lab is harmful (and contrariwise anything originating in nature is good / beneficial).

The truth almost always lies somewhere in the middle of two extremes. However, it's human nature to polarize on extremes.

We are a country of fearful neurotics and hypochondriacs.  Here's a quote from a SoCal avocado growing group I belong to:

"I've heard a few people mention white washing the bark of your tree and I don't understand why one would need to paint a tree with a chemical based paint? I want all the trees in my yard to be 100% organic. so tell me what white washing is and why it's important? Is it important? I live in Claremont California."

My response:

$%*(@#@$$, so you've run a lab analysis on such painted tissue and found levels of "chemicals" exceed EPA standards, what exactly are those chemicals? 95% of the organic/natural movement is a joke based on fear and ignorance. Having said that I have been pushing a spray of kaolin clay wettable powder not because I'm a fearful neurotic but because it's cheap and a helluva lot easier to mix and apply. https://www.groworganic.com/products/surround-25-lb... (https://www.groworganic.com/products/surround-25-lb...)

Don't know if Captan would help but it has no REI interval posted on our Aggie vineyard pesticide list.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 26, 2020, 11:06:28 PM
I'd say anything that conserves soil and soil health, forests, aquifers, and ocean health is good even though it's not a perfect world.  I hope you guys, Jeff and Mark, don't consider that a radical idea.  (Or call me a freakin' radical, whatever.)  Hey, how about Har's List of Essential Oddities?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 26, 2020, 11:57:50 PM
I think we're in agreement there. But, latex paint on an avocado tree certainly isn't mutually exclusive with those goals :-).

I'd say anything that conserves soil and soil health, forests, aquifers, and ocean health is good even though it's not a perfect world.  I hope you guys, Jeff and Mark, don't consider that a radical idea.  (Or call me a freakin' radical, whatever.)  Hey, how about Har's List of Essential Oddities?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Tommyng on April 27, 2020, 06:35:29 AM
I'd say anything that conserves soil and soil health, forests, aquifers, and ocean health is good even though it's not a perfect world.  I hope you guys, Jeff and Mark, don't consider that a radical idea.  (Or call me a freakin' radical, whatever.)  Hey, how about Har's List of Essential Oddities?

Itís good to have our own beliefs but the end goals should be the health of the people and the planet we live on. Sadly, it never is. Now about the carrie mango, so much conflicting information, half seems to like it and half donít.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 27, 2020, 08:49:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G-fvKm5BUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G-fvKm5BUk)

Did you miss this, Tommy?  THE ESSENTIAL ODDITIES.

Jeff, I'm okay with latex paint on avocado tree trunks.  (Try to keep it off the leaves!)
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 27, 2020, 09:16:21 AM
:D Yah, it's gotten overboard. What I find humorous is that Bruce Ames (previous chair of biochem at Berkeley) proved that organic produce is higher in carcinogens than conventional back in the 80's.

That is funny!  ;D

Excellent, solid points you made. 
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 27, 2020, 09:26:07 AM
I'd say anything that conserves soil and soil health, forests, aquifers, and ocean health is good ....

Of course.  It's the extreme wackos and their lawyering whores I have a problem with.

This membership is in the 1,000's and I bet there is not one person who has spent the money and time it takes putting in cover crops and legumes 2 years in a row.  I have, on 14 acres.   FWIW my aquifer's output is plentiful and my #1 pump/well is shallow set at 120'.  The well is capable of producing a whopping 150 gals/hr. if need be.

Elbon rye, cut it at 6' tall.

(https://i.postimg.cc/NLGz0ZFr/Rye-House.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLGz0ZFr)

Hairy vetch is flowering now. That legume and the sweet clover I planted have been reseeding since 2004.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/phrcsngJ/Hairy-Vetch.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/phrcsngJ)

Grafted last year if all goes well will be eating Glenn, Orange Sherbet, Fruit Punch and Pineapple Pleasure in a few months.  My mangos are about golf size now   We recently had a low of 46F which has induced my Pinkerton avocado tree to bloom the second time this year.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 27, 2020, 02:16:55 PM
That all sounds fantastic, Mark. And I respect you greatly for being a good steward of your land.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 29, 2020, 07:50:51 AM
That all sounds fantastic, Mark. And I respect you greatly for being a good steward of your land.

Thank you. Didn't come cheap either.  I hired a farmer to disc, sow, and then drag the tilled soil to cover the seed.   You can't get a farmer to unload a large tractor off the trailer for less than $500.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PvHFYMtQ/Legumes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PvHFYMtQ)
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 29, 2020, 08:45:46 AM
That all sounds fantastic, Mark. And I respect you greatly for being a good steward of your land.

Thank you. Didn't come cheap either.  I hired a farmer to disc, sow, and then drag the tilled soil to cover the seed.   You can't get a farmer to unload a large tractor off the trailer for less than $500.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PvHFYMtQ/Legumes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PvHFYMtQ)
From what I can see in this photo, your soil looks very fertile.  Is the feral pig problem in Texas as bad as I've read?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: fliptop on April 29, 2020, 04:36:34 PM
I have to say, I like Har's Oddities list more than the Supremely Delicious list. Granted, I haven't tried all on both lists, but Pim Seng Mun and Coconut Cream are two of my top five (I've yet to try a great example of M-4, which could knock Coconut Cream off my list if it lives up to the hype). Has anyone ventured a "romantic" name for M-4? I also really like Madame Francis and Ice Cream and Baptiste.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: johnb51 on April 29, 2020, 04:47:33 PM
I have to say, I like Har's Oddities list more than the Supremely Delicious list. Granted, I haven't tried all on both lists, but Pim Seng Mun and Coconut Cream are two of my top five (I've yet to try a great example of M-4, which could knock Coconut Cream off my list if it lives up to the hype). Has anyone ventured a "romantic" name for M-4? I also really like Madame Francis and Ice Cream and Baptiste.
Yay, finally someone commenting on the Oddities!  Thank you, flip.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Oolie on April 29, 2020, 06:19:38 PM
Has anyone ventured a "romantic" name for M-4?

Coconut + Cantaloupe = Cocoloupe Pie
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: fliptop on April 29, 2020, 06:33:17 PM
Ha!

Maybe "Coco Loops"?

Or how about "Har" or "Mahdeem"? He should have a mango named after him 😃
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Guanabanus on April 29, 2020, 07:08:32 PM
I had nothing to do with the development of any of the Zill varieties.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Oolie on April 29, 2020, 08:32:01 PM
Har-fetti? Har's definitely not coconut? We need a poll on this one.

Why should the developer be the namer? Val-Carrie?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: murahilin on April 30, 2020, 03:38:07 PM
Har-fetti? Har's definitely not coconut? We need a poll on this one.

Why should the developer be the namer? Val-Carrie?

I think the developer should have the right to name what they develop and it should not be named by anyone else unless the developer granted the authority for someone else to name it. Or, enough time has passed and the unnamed variety has been forgotten and then someone renames it and gives the lost variety "life" again.

Another situation where it may be okay to name a variety that you did not develop is if you are only giving it a marketing name for sales such as the Champagne mango or Sweetheart lychee.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 02, 2020, 10:01:42 AM
From what I can see in this photo, your soil looks very fertile.  Is the feral pig problem in Texas as bad as I've read?

You bet it is.  There's a high end leisure ranch not far from me.  Owner has several interests like grapes and hog hunting by helicopter.  One of our house cleaners told us he got 92 in one day via helicopter.  Friend brought me a newly butchered juvenile the other day.  Gonna do me some full rack baby back ribs!
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 02, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
Curious, does Zill or any of the other breeders have a patent (copyright) on their work, new offerings?
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: JulianoGS on June 07, 2020, 11:41:46 PM
I have to say, I like Har's Oddities list more than the Supremely Delicious list. Granted, I haven't tried all on both lists, but Pim Seng Mun and Coconut Cream are two of my top five (I've yet to try a great example of M-4, which could knock Coconut Cream off my list if it lives up to the hype). Has anyone ventured a "romantic" name for M-4? I also really like Madame Francis and Ice Cream and Baptiste.

The name is up to Zills but I have read some people calling M4 as mounds.
Title: Re: "Har's List of Supremely Delicious Mango Varieties"
Post by: Squam256 on June 08, 2020, 08:30:25 AM
Curious, does Zill or any of the other breeders have a patent (copyright) on their work, new offerings?

Coconut Cream has an active patent.

Thereís a mango that weíve been very interested in called ďLeopoldĒ which isnít from a breeding project but is patented, which has unfortunately prevented us from obtaining the budwood.