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Title: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 13, 2013, 07:07:24 PM
Hey forum,

One thing we can all agree on is that there are a lot of different mangos but yet little available information online in the form of pictures and taste reviews. This is especially evident in the newly created varieties and less commonly propagated. With that said I'm going to make an effort to try and post pics of the mangos I eat and this way maybe make some kind of contribution to the mango community. Feel free to join in as well!

I'll start with a mango I ate today which I purchased last week from Truly Tropical called Ryan.

(http://s18.postimg.cc/4v01ix3g5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4v01ix3g5/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/pqmbu5zn9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pqmbu5zn9/)

The mango was just over 5 inches long, had yellow-orange flesh, non-fibrous, had high flesh to seed ratio with a thin seed, and tasted like a mild Carrie with slight acidity and firmer texture.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on July 13, 2013, 07:58:58 PM
Introducing, from the cosmos series of mangos:
Juicy Jupiter, Big Saturn, and Martian Pride.

Courtesy of the Campbell Boys!

Flavor Descriptions to follow.

(http://s21.postimg.cc/ped9de1sj/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ped9de1sj/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 13, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
Looking forward to "Mangos of the Solar System" for next year's festival.

In the spirit of sharing reviews, I tasted Young for the first time a day or two ago.

It is a decent looking mango with a subtle flavor, reminiscent of mango.  I'm not angry at myself for replacing my baby Young tree with a Coconut Cream, though I have yet to taste CC.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on July 13, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
Juicy Jupiter: very juicy, fiberless, orange flesh. Rich Indian flavors, very sweet, perhaps a slightly milder southern blush. All in all, a very nice fruit in appearance and taste.

Introducing, from the cosmos series of mangos:
Juicy Jupiter, Big Saturn, and Martian Pride.

Courtesy of the Campbell Boys!

Flavor Descriptions to follow.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/ped9de1sj/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ped9de1sj/[/url])
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BestDay on July 13, 2013, 09:33:40 PM
Gotta love those names!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 13, 2013, 09:51:18 PM
I wish I had taken a picture, but I had a royal purple and a Mary the other day.  I know royal purple is a rather uncommon Merritt Island variety, and I believe Mary is as well.

Royal purple is a beautiful fruit, purple all the way around.  Fragrant.  Yellow fleshed, very little fiber only around the pit.  Nice sweet flavor with the aftertaste of concord grape.  Texture basically like Valencia pride, not very creamy.   I rate it a solid 4/5.  A pretty darn good mango and I'd definitely eat them again.

Mary is a small mango, rather unremarkable in shape and color. Fragrant.  Yellow fleshed, very little fiber only around the pit.  Very sweet and very acid, with a strong lemony taste.  Quite like lemon curd.  Texture a bit creamier than the royal purple was.  I rate it a solid 4/5. Pretty darn good as well.  I prefer it slightly to RP, but my girlfriend preferred RP over Mary.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 14, 2013, 05:10:02 PM
Here are some pics of a Neelam mango I just ate:




This Neelam measured just over 3 inches and is about the avg size for Neelam. This particular one had plenty of anthracnose and scabbing which may not be typical depending on growing conditions. Neelam is ripe when it's skin is yellow. The flesh is orange-yellow in color, soft but not juicy, without fiber. The seed is small and wide which lowers the amount of edible flesh. I found the taste to be delicious with a syrupy sweet flavor, only wish they were larger!

-joep450


(http://s12.postimg.cc/ygyujiiex/th_aee29e011a2d210daaa8b8427db8975b.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/9z6qvmfuh/th_f6864deed25f47171ddf1775c9200e72.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 14, 2013, 06:34:11 PM
Mango Review- ďLemon ZestĒ from Zillís in Boynton Beach, FL
Lineage: Po Pey Kayu (a.k.a. Lemon Meringue) seedling
Size: 5.5Ē Long x 3Ē wide
Date: June 6th, 2013

(http://s22.postimg.cc/o9k2mznsd/IMG_20130606_080635.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o9k2mznsd/)

While I am new to the Florida mango scene and there are many varieties I have yet to sample, the Lemon Zest mango was by far the most remark-able, delicious mango I have had this year.  It doesnít really have that much classical ďmangoĒ flavor to it at all. The skin of the ripe fruit and the inside flesh are both pure yellow. It has the perfect, moderate level of sweetness for meÖ , not too intense or overpowering.  The center of the soft, creamy flesh has suave, citrusy tasteÖ perhaps a mild Ďlemon gelattoí flavor. As you eat from the edge of a slice and get towards flesh that is very close to the skin Ė a distinct Orange Sherbet flavor bursts through. This mango is 'finger licking' deliciousÖ I diligently scraped the skin with my teeth to get every last bit of the sherbet goodness off, then I raked and sucked the seed clean.

An interesting characteristic of the mango I got was that it had particularly large black ďhairsĒ or fibers, embedded in the in the area close to the rind that had the orange sherbet flavor.

(http://s17.postimg.cc/oyhbi60zv/IMG_20130606_073730.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/oyhbi60zv/)

There were no normal flesh fibers, an overall smooth + suave & sophisticated eating experience.

I let my neighbors and my parents, who "officially" don't care for mangos after a bad experience with Tommy or Turpentine back in the 70s, try it... and everyone was pleasantly surprised, but my mom was not converted.

Rating: A+
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 14, 2013, 06:40:11 PM
Mango Review- ďLemon ZestĒ from Zillís in Boynton Beach, FL
Lineage: Po Pey Kayu (a.k.a. Lemon Meringue) seedling
Size: 5.5Ē Long x 3Ē wide
Date: June 6th, 2013

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/o9k2mznsd/IMG_20130606_080635.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/o9k2mznsd/[/url])

While I am new to the Florida mango scene and there are many varieties I have yet to sample, the Lemon Zest mango was by far the most remark-able, delicious mango I have had this year.  It doesnít really have that much classical ďmangoĒ flavor to it at all. The skin of the ripe fruit and the inside flesh are both pure yellow. It has the perfect, moderate level of sweetness for meÖ , not too intense or overpowering.  The center of the soft, creamy flesh has suave, citrusy tasteÖ perhaps a mild Ďlemon gelattoí flavor. As you eat from the edge of a slice and get towards flesh that is very close to the skin Ė a distinct Orange Sherbet flavor bursts through. This mango is 'finger licking' deliciousÖ I diligently scraped the skin with my teeth to get every last bit of the sherbet goodness off, then I raked and sucked the seed clean.

An interesting characteristic of the mango I got was that it had particularly large black ďhairsĒ or fibers, embedded in the in the area close to the rind that had the orange sherbet flavor.

([url]http://s17.postimg.cc/oyhbi60zv/IMG_20130606_073730.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/oyhbi60zv/[/url])

There were no normal flesh fibers, an overall smooth + suave & sophisticated eating experience.

I let my neighbors and my parents, who "officially" don't care for mangos after a bad experience with Tommy or Turpentine back in the 70s, try it... and everyone was pleasantly surprised, but my mom was not converted.

Rating: A+


Excellent evaluative report Brett.  As for your Mom......well, no comment.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 14, 2013, 06:48:57 PM
Yes, Brett.  Great description of both mango and eating technique.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 14, 2013, 06:53:49 PM
Some other early season goodies from Zill's -

(http://s14.postimg.cc/y4mw7h0l9/IMG_20130603_170111.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/y4mw7h0l9/)

Edgar - this was said to be the "brother" of Coconut Cream... a supposed Edward Gary cross = EdGar.  A nice mid-size mango with a beautiful pink blush... and a complex, almost "royal" flavor. The tasted reminded me of some mangoes I had in India... but toned down and smoother, more 'Western'.  I knew it was really good because I ate such tiny bites, not looking forward to it being gone. Later, I sliced off the second half and drove to the beach... waded out into the water as the sun set... and slowly nibbled the orange flesh off the skin while looking up at sky. I sadly dropped the peel in the Atlantic ocean, walked back to my car and drove home thinking about finding more mangoes of the same quality. A

Gary - a small mango packing some seriously intense, almost "shocking" sweetness and BIG tropical flavor. Tastes like Sunny Delight blended with canned Cream of Coconut, plus a heaping tablespoon of sugar. Delicious, impressive, potent... but maybe a little "too much" for my palate, and the texture was not as silky smooth as some others. B+

Orange Sherbet - I either misjudged the ripeness on this one or got a funky sample. Had jelly seed-like markings around the core and pit, but the  outer flesh was delicious - bursting with a classically "un-mango-like," distinctly Orange Sherbet flavor that lived up to the name. Delicious. Bet it would be a 'hit' at Whole Foods. Can't rate until I get a ripe sample... but promising. This one was smaller than the Lemon Zests.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 14, 2013, 07:01:23 PM
Great reviews!  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on July 14, 2013, 07:13:10 PM
Makes me want to pull out my trees and plant those cultivars :D . Keep em coming.


(wrt the dark hairs, I get those in the SE Asian cultivars that are a bit over ripe. Nam Doc Mai especially).
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on July 15, 2013, 02:58:13 AM
Here are some mangos i just picked: (http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MangosJuly102013.jpg)
Some of these i've never eaten before, like Fukuda, Harumanis, and Smith. Of the new ones only got to try the Fukuda so far. It was still a bit on the hard side when i cut it but still tasted quite nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. Has a little bit of fiber, but not objectionable. Will review the others later as i slice them.
Question about the Fairchild...is it really a Fairchild? As you can see it has a slight pinkish tinge. Is that possible?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 15, 2013, 08:15:28 AM
Here are some mangos i just picked: ([url]http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MangosJuly102013.jpg[/url])
Some of these i've never eaten before, like Fukuda, Harumanis, and Smith. Of the new ones only got to try the Fukuda so far. It was still a bit on the hard side when i cut it but still tasted quite nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. Has a little bit of fiber, but not objectionable. Will review the others later as i slice them.
Question about the Fairchild...is it really a Fairchild? As you can see it has a slight pinkish tinge. Is that possible?


Those are lots of mangoes I have never seen before....other  than Rapoza, Neelam, Julie and Fairchild.  Your Fairchild looks lager than ones I grow. It is hard to get exact size perspective as I am unfamiliar with many of the fruits. Your Neelam looks a bit smaller than mine this year, but they can vary year to year. Yes, you are right to be questioning the pink blush.  Mine never get that.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 15, 2013, 08:27:37 AM
Hey forum,

One thing we can all agree on is that there are a lot of different mangos but yet little available information online in the form of pictures and taste reviews. This is especially evident in the newly created varieties and less commonly propagated. With that said I'm going to make an effort to try and post pics of the mangos I eat and this way maybe make some kind of contribution to the mango community. Feel free to join in as well!

joep450

Great idea plus Zill and Pine Island should be paying this forum (support it) for putting up the online photos& content they refuse to and neglect. This will help the new named mangoes and the older ones get sales. I am only half joking,
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on July 15, 2013, 04:24:56 PM
Here are some mangos i just picked:
Some of these i've never eaten before, like Fukuda, Harumanis, and Smith. Of the new ones only got to try the Fukuda so far. It was still a bit on the hard side when i cut it but still tasted quite nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. Has a little bit of fiber, but not objectionable. Will review the others later as i slice them.
Question about the Fairchild...is it really a Fairchild? As you can see it has a slight pinkish tinge. Is that possible?

Those are lots of mangoes I have never seen before....other  than Rapoza, Neelam, Julie and Fairchild.  Your Fairchild looks lager than ones I grow. It is hard to get exact size perspective as I am unfamiliar with many of the fruits. Your Neelam looks a bit smaller than mine this year, but they can vary year to year. Yes, you are right to be questioning the pink blush.  Mine never get that.

What is the size of Fairchild mango trees? There was some implication in one thread that it is a small tree? But the one i have labeled Fairchild is quite a big tree...another thing that tipped me off that it might be mislabeled.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 15, 2013, 05:54:50 PM
What is the size of Fairchild mango trees? There was some implication in one thread that it is a small tree? But the one i have labeled Fairchild is quite a big tree...another thing that tipped me off that it might be mislabeled.

I would classify my Fairchild as a moderate grower.  Maybe slightly below average in canopy growth among all of my cultivars.  Definitely not a Julie, Ice Cream or Pickering......but also not a Valencia Pride either. My tree has a considerable spreading habit and is fairly dense.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on July 15, 2013, 06:09:20 PM
What is the size of Fairchild mango trees? There was some implication in one thread that it is a small tree? But the one i have labeled Fairchild is quite a big tree...another thing that tipped me off that it might be mislabeled.

I would classify my Fairchild as a moderate grower.  Maybe slightly below average in canopy growth among all of my cultivars.  Definitely not a Julie, Ice Cream or Pickering......but also not a Valencia Pride either. My tree has a considerable spreading habit and is fairly dense.

OK thanks. I will try to post some better photos of the fruits/tree and maybe you  can help me figure out what it really is?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Deb on July 15, 2013, 09:06:48 PM
I believe there is at least one more in the series - I picked up a Voluptuous Venus mango at the festival on Saturday.

Introducing, from the cosmos series of mangos:
Juicy Jupiter, Big Saturn, and Martian Pride.

Courtesy of the Campbell Boys!

Flavor Descriptions to follow.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/ped9de1sj/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ped9de1sj/[/url])
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 15, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Orange Sherbet does have a tendency towards jelly seed.

Some other early season goodies from Zill's -

([url]http://s14.postimg.cc/y4mw7h0l9/IMG_20130603_170111.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/y4mw7h0l9/[/url])

Edgar - this was said to be the "brother" of Coconut Cream. A nice mid-size mango with a beautiful pink blush... and a complex, almost "royal" flavor. The tasted reminded me of some mangoes I had in India... but toned down and smoother, more 'Western'.  I knew it was really good because I ate such tiny bites, not looking forward to it being gone. Later, I sliced off the second half and drove to the beach... waded out into the water as the sun set... and slowly nibbled the orange flesh off the skin while looking up at sky. I sadly dropped the peel in the Atlantic ocean, walked back to my car and drove home thinking about finding more mangoes of the same quality. A

Gary - a small mango packing some seriously intense, almost "shocking" sweetness and BIG tropical flavor. Tastes like Sunny Delight blended with canned Cream of Coconut, plus a heaping tablespoon of sugar. Delicious, impressive, potent... but maybe a little "too much" for my palate, and the texture was not as silky smooth as some others. B+

Orange Sherbet - I either misjudged the ripeness on this one or got a funky sample. Had jelly seed-like markings around the core and pit, but the  outer flesh was delicious - bursting with a classically "un-mango-like," distinctly Orange Sherbet flavor that lived up to the name. Delicious. Bet it would be a 'hit' at Whole Foods. Can't rate until I get a ripe sample... but promising. This one was smaller than the Lemon Zests.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 15, 2013, 09:40:21 PM
I believe there is at least one more in the series - I picked up a Voluptuous Venus mango at the festival on Saturday.

Introducing, from the cosmos series of mangos:
Juicy Jupiter, Big Saturn, and Martian Pride.

Courtesy of the Campbell Boys!

Flavor Descriptions to follow.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/ped9de1sj/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ped9de1sj/[/url])



I guess they left Mediocre Mercury for the squirrels and birds.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on July 15, 2013, 10:11:21 PM
I think I also recall seeing a Plutonic Pleasure.... ???

I believe there is at least one more in the series - I picked up a Voluptuous Venus mango at the festival on Saturday.

Introducing, from the cosmos series of mangos:
Juicy Jupiter, Big Saturn, and Martian Pride.

Courtesy of the Campbell Boys!

Flavor Descriptions to follow.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/ped9de1sj/image.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ped9de1sj/[/url])



I guess they left Mediocre Mercury for the squirrels and birds.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 16, 2013, 09:40:57 AM
(http://s11.postimg.cc/4gjqdq91r/IMG_4409.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4gjqdq91r/)

Fairchild mango. Typical small size Fairchild. It was green two days ago then fell off yesterday and was yellow. Small plus being green makes this good mango to plant where theft might be a problem. Very good taste, slightly piney (Carrie is more piney), many here have said they like the Fairchild. (sorry photo is a bit fuzzy)   Squam said it is requested at his mango orchard
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 16, 2013, 09:53:59 AM
I think I also recall seeing a Plutonic Pleasure....   ???

Don't knock it till...........never mind.
 ;)

I got to taste Mulgoba, courtesy of Squam.   Very tasty, easy to see its influence on subsequent varieties.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 16, 2013, 01:02:41 PM
I was had the opportunity to try a few Fairchilds on my last visit. I thought they were pretty good. I kept a seed, which has already sprouted and growing well.  Another advantage to this variety is that its supposed to be polyembryonic.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 17, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Here is a Valencia Pride I just ate:


(http://s2.postimg.cc/63cr2uubp/293e4607768f0082a6ed655e0ff696db.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/63cr2uubp/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/s197wn9c5/b7af9a8c4535e6a11787f33ef7cf155a.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s197wn9c5/)

This Valencia Pride was just about 6in long and from others I have seen this is on the smaller size for "VP". The array of colors on this fruit is very pretty. The seed is thin and long and there is a high amount of flesh to seed. The flesh is yellow and has some fiber. The taste reminded me of a bland nectarine.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on July 17, 2013, 11:08:53 PM
Here are some mangos i just picked: ([url]http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MangosJuly102013.jpg[/url])
Some of these i've never eaten before, like Fukuda, Harumanis, and Smith. Of the new ones only got to try the Fukuda so far. It was still a bit on the hard side when i cut it but still tasted quite nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. Has a little bit of fiber, but not objectionable. Will review the others later as i slice them.
Question about the Fairchild...is it really a Fairchild? As you can see it has a slight pinkish tinge. Is that possible?
My Fairchild is always green with a slight pale yellow crown
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on July 18, 2013, 08:55:50 AM
I was had the opportunity to try a few Fairchilds on my last visit. I thought they were pretty good. I kept a seed, which has already sprouted and growing well.  Another advantage to this variety is that its supposed to be polyembryonic.

Its not. Where did you read/hear this?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: strkpr00 on July 18, 2013, 11:43:51 AM
Here is a list noting the Fairchild. I have seen others that left the Fairchild off the poly list.
http://stfc.org.au/mangoes-polyembryonic (http://stfc.org.au/mangoes-polyembryonic) 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 18, 2013, 01:33:47 PM
Aw that would suck if it was a mono.  yeah I had only did a search online, and as everyone knows the Internet never lies  :P ::)   oh well, I will probably let it grow,  I also have a  ST Maui seedling I planted which I have no idea if its a mono or poly.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 18, 2013, 02:33:42 PM
Aw that would suck if it was a mono.  yeah I had only did a search online, and as everyone knows the Internet never lies  :P ::)   oh well, I will probably let it grow,  I also have a  ST Maui seedling I planted which I have no idea if its a mono or poly.

 Pretty sure it is also mono.  :-[
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 18, 2013, 04:19:36 PM
Here is a list noting the Fairchild. I have seen others that left the Fairchild off the poly list.
[url]http://stfc.org.au/mangoes-polyembryonic[/url] ([url]http://stfc.org.au/mangoes-polyembryonic[/url])


Interesting list.  I was sure I heard over the weekend some mention of a seedling of Carabao?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 18, 2013, 07:21:53 PM
Curiously, that list has Fairchild as polyembryonic -- maybe it is?

One thing to point out is that just because a seed only gives one sprout doesn't preclude the possibility of it being polyembryonic. For example, the lemon zest and orange sherbet (which are polymbryonic) have both have given me plenty of seeds with only one sprout. I'd say that a minority of the seeds I grew from them had multiple sprouts.

I cracked open the husks on a couple of coco cream seeds, and they appear to have multiple embryos -- which is odd seeing as how it's a cross of two monoembryonic parents. I guess it's possible that some of the embryos are sterile? I planted them out; we'll see.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 18, 2013, 07:48:59 PM
Curiously, that list has Fairchild as polyembryonic -- maybe it is?

One thing to point out is that just because a seed only gives one sprout doesn't preclude the possibility of it being polyembryonic. For example, the lemon zest and orange sherbet (which are polymbryonic) have both have given me plenty of seeds with only one sprout. I'd say that a minority of the seeds I grew from them had multiple sprouts.

I cracked open the husks on a couple of coco cream seeds, and they appear to have multiple embryos -- which is odd seeing as how it's a cross of two monoembryonic parents. I guess it's possible that some of the embryos are sterile? I planted them out; we'll see.

So how can LZ and OS be poly yet not true the parent?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: shaneatwell on July 18, 2013, 08:02:51 PM
One of the embryos is sexually produced, a hybrid. The rest are clones.

I got two out of a Kent recently, but the 2nd grew out of what looked like a broken off root, so probably a fluke.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: y0rascal on July 18, 2013, 08:31:55 PM
Hey I have a polyembriotic Valencia Pride seedling. it hatched three stems from the seed.

I'm keeping this one around.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 19, 2013, 10:49:29 AM
I didn't look closely enough, but perhaps the other embryos were too weak to sprout? Or maybe they were sterile? All I know is that I planted out many LZ and OS seedlings and only a percentage of them gave more than one plant.

So, the point is -- just because you only see one plant arise from a seed, don't automatically assume that it's monoembryonic. And the converse is also true -- if you see multiple sprouts, first inspect to ensure they have completely separate rootsystems before assuming polyembryony.

Curiously, that list has Fairchild as polyembryonic -- maybe it is?

One thing to point out is that just because a seed only gives one sprout doesn't preclude the possibility of it being polyembryonic. For example, the lemon zest and orange sherbet (which are polymbryonic) have both have given me plenty of seeds with only one sprout. I'd say that a minority of the seeds I grew from them had multiple sprouts.

I cracked open the husks on a couple of coco cream seeds, and they appear to have multiple embryos -- which is odd seeing as how it's a cross of two monoembryonic parents. I guess it's possible that some of the embryos are sterile? I planted them out; we'll see.

So how can LZ and OS be poly yet not true the parent?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 19, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
Hey I have a polyembriotic Valencia Pride seedling. it hatched three stems from the seed.

I'm keeping this one around.

The Valencia pride seed from the mango I reviewed above looked really poly to me as well, I am growing it as root stock so ill have to see how this comes out.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 19, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
Here is a mango I bought from Excalibur called "OKPT" last week. When I picked up this interesting mango I asked the Latino gal behind the counter what "OKPT" stood for and she said she wasn't sure and it was mis labeled so let the guessing games begin?!?! Could this be okrung pi tong?...it is definitely from the orient.


(http://s23.postimg.cc/66csoncev/460e441b5a8ea95c4d013e6d371fa808.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/66csoncev/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/p8w6bknfb/5426f542a579c7a634eb9ca9dfd627f1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p8w6bknfb/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/qp7otpqc7/a7074ddf5cb9879af686d8f2d23847d8.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qp7otpqc7/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/7uby3aqaf/ca03622134abfbea51f3a4ee5647310e.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7uby3aqaf/)

So where do I begin, I loved this mango. It is long at just over 7in and had a hefty weight to it, great length as well as width. This was ripe with yellow skin and brown spots. The flesh was light yellow, fiberless, and seemed like it was on its way to jelly seed the closer to the seed you ate. The flesh to seed ratio was incredible lots of delish mango to eat. The seed is the longest mango seed I have yet see at just over 6in and was very thin. The taste was very different from your tropical peach pineapple or pungent indian "funk" flavor, it was to me the flavor of banana and sugar cane combined. I am going to grow the seed from this mango just incase our paths never meet again.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 19, 2013, 10:59:54 PM
Here is a keo savoy mango I bought from Excalibur last week.


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(http://s10.postimg.cc/br4oc93kl/ece34584b1573716e698204a062e04ae.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/br4oc93kl/)

I am pretty sure that the keo savoy is supposed to be eaten green, this mango despite how green is was had a lot of give to it and felt ripe. This is a smaller mango which is 5 inches long with not too much girth and a lowercase "j" shape. When I slowly passed my knife through the side of the mango along the seed I could heard a "crackling" sound and before I had finished the cut I knew this was a tough mango. The flesh was a deep yellow and firm. What I found very  interesting was that the the fiber was not long and stringy like in those Haitian mangos from the store but short and bristly which was noticeable, not a fan of the mouth feel. In one of the photos above you can see some very small brownish bristles if you look closely. The flavor was just ok and had a sweet taste that faded to "funk" aftertaste complex. I thought the seed was odd looking as well.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 20, 2013, 08:09:37 AM
Here is a keo savoy mango I bought from Excalibur last week.
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Looks somewhat different than mine. Mine look less hooked.  But yes, one of the best green eating mangoes....very mediocre when ripe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 20, 2013, 08:13:53 AM
Here is a mango I bought from Excalibur called "OKPT" last week. When I picked up this interesting mango I asked the Latino gal behind the counter what "OKPT" stood for and she said she wasn't sure and it was mis labeled so let the guessing games begin?!?! Could this be okrung pi tong?...it is definitely from the orient.


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So where do I begin, I loved this mango. It is long at just over 7in and had a hefty weight to it, great length as well as width. This was ripe with yellow skin and brown spots. The flesh was light yellow, fiberless, and seemed like it was on its way to jelly seed the closer to the seed you ate. The flesh to seed ratio was incredible lots of delish mango to eat. The seed is the longest mango seed I have yet see at just over 6in and was very thin. The taste was very different from your tropical peach pineapple or pungent indian "funk" flavor, it was to me the flavor of banana and sugar cane combined. I am going to grow the seed from this mango just incase our paths never meet again.

-joep450


Could it be Okrung Pi Khun Tong?  That's one of the ones I am growing that this sounds like based on the letters. However, my recollection is that mine are not quite as long and thin.....they are more squat in shape.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 20, 2013, 10:01:55 PM
Here is a mango I bought from Excalibur last week called xaoi cat hoa loc:


(http://s2.postimg.cc/7z4tqozp1/0d8f5846bfbc72f150a8036f781257eb.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7z4tqozp1/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/qsqmnoxx1/1e436e4ee1d5de3c4214542faeedbc06.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qsqmnoxx1/)

(http://s2.postimg.cc/qdfcuobzp/5e2daaeddedc3d7ef4e33ea521a519f3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qdfcuobzp/)

This was a pretty good size mango at 5.5 inches long and weighing in at 578g. The top shoulders of this mango had some slight splits which turned dark brown. When I cut the top off I was surprised by how strong the smell was, I could clearly smell it's sweetness from 3 ft away on the counter top with just the top removed. The flesh was a bright orange color, completely fiberless and smooth with some juice. The seed was pretty large but so was the mango with plenty of edible flesh. The taste was delicious and had hints of honey dew melon with a slight orange flavor and almost no tart. The smell  was very  aromatic. I enjoyed just smelling this mango let alone eating it lol. Random fact xaoi is the Vietnamese word for mango. Overall awesome mango.

-Joep450

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 22, 2013, 12:02:12 PM
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/krzyfingers/plants/CF279556-0C3B-45C7-9784-A36661B372C8-9821-00000654FD4828CA.jpg)

This is a Bailey's Marvel. I apologize if it's a fairly common mango, but I had never actually seen it for sale before around here and had never tasted it.

One of the best smelling mangos I've ever encountered, I had high hopes.  It certainly has some light fiber in it, and while sweet it has a slightly funky undertone and what I would call a very slight "green" after taste.  I would put it just ever so slightly ahead of a good quality Haden.  Disappointing, and I wouldn't grow it and would only purchase it again if it was all I could get.

Hey, anythings better than a Tommy, right? ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 22, 2013, 02:14:33 PM
Not sure where you got that Bailey's Marvel, nor what may have happened to it in the developmental stages, but a fully ripe Bailey's Marvel...at least the ones that I have had, do not have any of the negative characteristics you describe.  It is a really richly flavored, generally fiberless, delicious mango which has an overall eating experience that I would classify as no less than excellent.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 22, 2013, 09:19:57 PM
Ate my first Coconut Cream and first Ugly Betty today.

CC definitely had a coconut taste.  Not sure how to describe Betty, nice flavor, no aspect stood out. Let's call it "balanced."

Both mangos struck me as a bit watery, though.  They seemed very ripe, so I'm looking forward to trying them again slightly less ripe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 22, 2013, 10:02:55 PM
Here is a mango I got from Excalibur that had "TBK" written on it. The lady behind the counter said this was tog bi con, yet I was under the impression tog bi con was an Asian cultivar looking similar to ivory from an earlier Harry post. Bottom line is I can't find any info on "tog bi con" and so I have another mystery mango to review without the "peach buttercream nirvana" name bias.


(http://s9.postimg.cc/rhwia5amz/7eec29ec47b37fd757dc4c6fb69397af.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rhwia5amz/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/fer6mkzkr/403e55cf32dabda07fc90402b5ba6543.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fer6mkzkr/)

This mango was almost 5in long and weighed 517g. The mango was ripe yellow with some slight green areas and slight pink blush on the top (hard to see in picture). It is more of a wide mango being just slightly longer than it is wide. When I cut the mango open it was absent of any strong delightful smell, but was was perfectly ripe absent of any soft spots on the beak with no bruising elsewhere. The flesh was a yellow orange, and completely fiberless. I had a difficult time evaluating the taste of this mango.  Its greatest feature was the large quantity of silky smooth fiberless flesh and then it was sweet. If i could try and relate it to another mango i would say the alphonso mango, which most people find as a delicious mango and what i think is a great all around mango that most people enjoy; this is partly because it is balanced and doesn't sway in any one direction taste wise yet it is sweet and has delicious texture. Overall this mango was great eating mango.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on July 22, 2013, 10:07:24 PM
Yeah, not at all like either of the incarnations of Tog Bi Con that I have seen.  The one I have I am convinced is a mis-marked Ivory.  The Tog Bi Con I saw at the Broward Rare fruit council property is small and skinny in shape with a sort of twist to it.  No way this is Tog Bi Con.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 22, 2013, 10:14:28 PM
Slopfrog: baileys marvel may be a common mango yet I have still yet to try one on my own, I think I have tried one in passing at a fest but I can't remember, either way the point is to collect pics of mangos and compare tasting notes and I appreciated your post no apology necessary. I recently picked up a nice looking Haden and a Carrie which I will review shortly and I'm pretty sure everyone has had Carrie before! Lol

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 22, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
Not sure where you got that Bailey's Marvel, nor what may have happened to it in the developmental stages, but a fully ripe Bailey's Marvel...at least the ones that I have had, do not have any of the negative characteristics you describe.  It is a really richly flavored, generally fiberless, delicious mango which has an overall eating experience that I would classify as no less than excellent.

Like most of the mangos I have, this one was grown on Merritt Island.  Perhaps this variety suffers with heavy rainfall.  I know theyve got a bunch up there. I found it to be a bit watery and maybe the flavor got diluted some.   There was no chalkiness due to starches though, so I'm sure this one was fully ripe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 22, 2013, 11:12:08 PM
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/krzyfingers/plants/34C6060D-47DE-4597-9428-F85E72564552-10093-0000069CD2BCD5D7.jpg)

Here's "Purple Turp." This is another pretty uncommon (even rare?) variety developed on Merritt Island. I think it might be an Ensey creation because that's where I got it.

Anyways, I was quite put off by the name, figuring it would taste like chewing on a pine tree.  I was quite wrong, however.  It was sweet, nearly fiberless, and actually pretty enjoyable.  Theres not much in the way of complex flavor here, just a mild straight mango taste.  I wouldn't describe it as fantastic but it was pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 23, 2013, 10:20:57 PM
Here is a wise mango that I bought from Excalibur:


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I don't know what happened here, so much that I had to eat a Carrie immediately after, but this wise mango was very strange and I'm still confused. Feeling out this mango it had plenty of give to it and even had spots were the skin was wrinkling and I wondered to myself how I ever let this get overripe? The outside was green with some light yellowing mixed in which was most evident at the top. When I started to cut into this mango my knife just sank into the skin as if trying to cut rubber. When I cut the top off I noticed there was hardly any smell even with my nose practically on the mango trying to find something. Next I halved the mango and to my surprise is was devoid of juice and the flesh was rubbery. Another thing i noticed was that the rind was noticeably thicker. When I started to eat this it was a struggle for my spoon to scoop out the rubbery flesh, which had a sort of mild pineapple flavor to it. There was no fibers present but it was hard to get past the rubbery texture and after three bites i threw it in the trash. I don't think I can judge this cultivar based off this mango, this has to be some fluke! Based on my experience I am hypothesizing that due to the unusually thick rind there might be some special method necessary to ripen this, camel dung maybe!?!? Who else has had a wise mango experience?

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on July 23, 2013, 10:45:33 PM
Here is a wise mango that I bought from Excalibur:


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I don't know what happened here, so much that I had to eat a Carrie immediately after, but this wise mango was very strange and I'm still confused. Feeling out this mango it had plenty of give to it and even had spots were the skin was wrinkling and I wondered to myself how I ever let this get overripe? The outside was green with some light yellowing mixed in which was most evident at the top. When I started to cut into this mango my knife just sank into the skin as if trying to cut rubber. When I cut the top off I noticed there was hardly any smell even with my nose practically on the mango trying to find something. Next I halved the mango and to my surprise is was devoid of juice and the flesh was rubbery. Another thing i noticed was that the rind was noticeably thicker. When I started to eat this it was a struggle for my spoon to scoop out the rubbery flesh, which had a sort of mild pineapple flavor to it. There was no fibers present but it was hard to get past the rubbery texture and after three bites i threw it in the trash. I don't think I can judge this cultivar based off this mango, this has to be some fluke! Based on my experience I am hypothesizing that due to the unusually thick rind there might be some special method necessary to ripen this, camel dung maybe!?!? Who else has had a wise mango experience?

-JoeP450


Appears to have been picked too early.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 23, 2013, 11:03:40 PM
Here is a Carrie that I bought from truly tropical:


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(http://s14.postimg.cc/afyhc9qkd/c080a8742cf1287740903686dd12ae71.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/afyhc9qkd/)

I am a big fan of Carrie and I know most people have had it but here is my review. Usually I eat carries a little bit greener mostly because I just can't wait to eat them and because they can get more juicy the longer they are allowed to ripen. This carrie above at just over 4 inches long was a yellow gold with some green splotches mixed in and felt pretty soft and ready to eat. When I cut the top off I could immediately smell it's piney aroma similar of when you first open an orange you get hit with the bitter sweet smell of the peel. I next halved the mango which displayed a bright orange juicy fiberless flesh. Of note, of the carries I have had most have soft nose even though they are not so pointed I believe this is a side effect of really soft flesh. The flavor is very interesting in that as you eat it sort of changes shape from sweet mango with subacid citrus to an edge of piney-resinous aftertaste the closer you get to the skin. A delicious mango in my opinion. Yum.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 23, 2013, 11:23:44 PM
Here is Tyler, another Merritt Island variety developed by the Enseys.

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It's a small mango, but this guy packs a punch!  It has a bit of fiber near the pit but not objectionable.  It's got dark orange flesh, and has a very intense sweetness that's countered nicely by a lot of acid.  It honestly tastes like fresh squeezed mango orange juice.  Some say VP has citrus flavors, but no... Tyler has serious citrus flavor.   I let one get a little overripe, and it developed almost a carbonated flavor that reminded me of orange soda... Never experienced that before!

Not that I've tasted a ton of mangoes, but this is one of my favorites ever.  I believe it's grown only at Ensey Tropical Fruit Co. And there are only a couple trees in existence.  Supposedly not even in the USDA repository.

Well that's a real shame, because I really think this is a fantastic mango!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 23, 2013, 11:34:19 PM
Wow slopfog, I too have experienced the carbonated effect before once when I first tried a Valencia pride not sure how it is caused, but I remembered I was put off by it. I called ensey's today and spoke to Angie. I wanted to get the low-down because I'm gonna make the drive up on Thursday to try some of these unique mangos. I am intrigued by the royal purple and accounts of it having a grape flavor, I think this is just because it looks like a giant grape but ill probably cut up the mango and have my wife sample it and see if she deduces any grape flavor without looking at the skin first. That tyler mango looks delicious dude! Can't wait to check out ensey's. And she did mention to me that they don't propagate their "proprietary" cultivars so might wanna throw that seed n the ground.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 24, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
Val-Carrie -

(http://s17.postimg.cc/4xh49o3gb/IMG_20130724_134203.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4xh49o3gb/)

This is a VERY good mango...  supposedly a hybrid of Valencia Pride & Carrie.

Each bite sings with a smooth, creamy, rich, deep tropical sweetness. Pleasing notes of cantaloupe, apricot, honey and orange soda abound in the center, and as you eat closer to either the skin or the pit -  you get the distinct jasmine / resinous taste found in the outer orbits of the Carrie. The mellowness of the VP balances out the more intense flavors of the Carrie. Flesh is firmer than the Carrie... no noticeable fiber.  Rating: A+
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 24, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
I'm highly fond of the val-carrie. Not sure why it's not more widely planted.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 25, 2013, 12:32:31 PM
@joep450

I am also voting Carrie. My tree is producing many delicious fruits this year. I like the pine taste in Carrie.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 25, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
carrie is having a banner year. i adore the carrie mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: dongeorgio on July 25, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Jeff gave me a few carries the other day and I have to say they were jaw droppingly amazing.  I am praying that some of the budwood he gave me takes. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: FRUITBOXHERO on July 25, 2013, 10:41:35 PM
carrie is having a banner year. i adore the carrie mango.
I was at Jeff's last week and enjoyed a carrie with him.... all i can say is OMG was that a good mango!..... Thanks Jeff
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 25, 2013, 11:05:04 PM
hahaha I'm really glad that both of you got to try the carrie at its flavor peak. You'll talk to a number of people who say that they don't like the carrie, yet I'd be willing to bet that they simply haven't had the carrie at the proper stage of ripeness. The carrie can go from excellent to gross in just a couple of days (although some folks, like my dear wife, enjoy it best at the 'gross' stage :-).
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 25, 2013, 11:10:56 PM
hahaha I'm really glad that both of you got to try the carrie at its flavor peak. You'll talk to a number of people who say that they don't like the carrie, yet I'd be willing to bet that they simply haven't had the carrie at the proper stage of ripeness. The carrie can go from excellent to gross in just a couple of days (although some folks, like my dear wife, enjoy it best at the 'gross' stage :-).

Same as you they are at the peak on my tree--
Dropping off daily...
This is a very busy Carrie season with two distinct blooms as in 15 fruits from the first bloom and 50-60 from the second bloom
I planted my tree in 2008 and it said nothing until this year when it produced like crazy   (actually I got 2 mangoes off it in 2011)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 26, 2013, 09:39:14 PM
Here is a nam doc mai from truly tropical: of note when I picked this there was plenty more green on the tree and should be coming due soon.


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(http://s22.postimg.cc/rotuv54sd/bcffd70fcc5e14629b38466cf56c9b0c.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rotuv54sd/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/floj7ktq5/c402c003c918007d5f5869d53cc871d6.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/floj7ktq5/)

I have had nam doc mai three times before and each time it is slightly different but here goes. The fruit was ripe with a slight tinge of green mixed in with yellow and had a slight rotten spot at the top. It weighed in at 343g and was 5.75in long. There was not much of a smell to the outside of the mango. When I cut into it there was a slight pleasant smell but nothing strong. The flesh was a yellow-orange, fiberless, very smooth almost gelatinous, not watery but moist. The seed was paper thin and long and the mango had nice flesh to seed ratio about the perfect single serving size, I did not feel like i wanted more or ate more than i wanted. The taste was good started off sweet syrupy with a slight funky aftertaste almost like overripe banana. Overall a good mango and I have heard that there are multiple strains of nam doc Mai ex nam doc Mai #4. I wonder if these all differ slightly in taste? During mango mania, I tasted the nam doc Mai from the fruit and spice park and it had almost a vanilla spice aftertaste, i liked it better than this one, cultivation methods maybe? probably a whole nother topic for another thread.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 26, 2013, 10:52:06 PM
I might have eaten it a couple of days earlier when it has a more noticeable tart to it. NDM has 3 different stages at which it can be eaten and 3 flavor profiles (mature green, slightly underripe, and ripe). It also looks like it might have had a touch of jelly seed, which can be a problem with the NDM if it doesn't get enough calcium.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 27, 2013, 01:16:28 AM
Here is a Tyler mango I picked up from ensy's in Merritt island:


(http://s11.postimg.cc/urw21tzkf/8e7866346c24c89fadbf81dd34ad43e5.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/urw21tzkf/)

(http://s11.postimg.cc/6pf86yixb/379adb3ced9152248ecde1b9bbf2770b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6pf86yixb/)

(http://s11.postimg.cc/5bs6pe91r/e644ac44ba782f18bef18075b1e05786.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5bs6pe91r/)

I guess "Tyler" must have really liked orange soda in his day because everything about this mango was one dimensional in your face orange soda. This mango had a very pretty red blush that faded into orange and was dotted with white spots with an oval shape. It was soft to the touch and the outer skin smelt strongly of orange soda. The mango was about 4.5 in long and weighed 378g.  I cut open the mango and it revealed a deep orange flesh that was loaded with juice.  It was not easy scooping out the flesh with a spoon because there was a good amount of fiber. The taste was very sweet and tasted like a jarritos orange soda even having a slight bubbly carbonated feeling on the tongue, much like how slopfog described it. I also opened the seed which looked like a monoembryonic seed. I find it interesting the differences in color between the two Tyler's now described.


-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 27, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
During the lecture at mango madness Chris Rollins said that people used to enjoy the turpentine mango by softening the mango into liquid inside the skin then biting a hole in the side and sucking the juice out. Since I had one last Tyler mango left I decided to give this crazy technique a shot. The Tyler mango is a great candidate for this because it is juicy, has much fiber, and the juice tastes amazingly good, similar to orange soda. I started by using my thumbs to forcefully press into the mango and rotate around thus liquefying the inside. Next with a knife I cut a slit in the side of the mango and then sucked the deliscious juice out. This is now my preferred method to enjoy the Tyler mango. If you happen to be by ensy's pick up two Tyler's and see which way you prefer. Below is the deflated Tyler mango, ; )


(http://s23.postimg.cc/o5wbhsltj/85281a357a631bf9dc0da3affa6b34b0.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o5wbhsltj/)
 -joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Hollywood on July 27, 2013, 10:38:38 PM
During the lecture at mango madness Chris Rollins said that people used to enjoy the turpentine mango by softening the mango into liquid inside the skin then biting a hole in the side and sucking the juice out. Since I had one last Tyler mango left I decided to give this crazy technique a shot. The Tyler mango is a great candidate for this because it is juicy, has much fiber, and the juice tastes amazingly good, similar to orange soda. I started by using my thumbs to forcefully press into the mango and rotate around thus liquefying the inside. Next with a knife I cut a slit in the side of the mango and then sucked the deliscious juice out. This is now my preferred method to enjoy the Tyler mango. If you happen to be by ensy's pick up two Tyler's and see which way you prefer. Below is the deflated Tyler mango, ; )


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 -joep450


My husband would look like blowfish shortly after eating a mango with that method! He is fairly sensitive to mango skin.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 27, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
 ;D

Looking forward to "Mangos of the Solar System" for next year's festival.

In the spirit of sharing reviews, I tasted Young for the first time a day or two ago.

It is a decent looking mango with a subtle flavor, reminiscent of mango.  I'm not angry at myself for replacing my baby Young tree with a Coconut Cream, though I have yet to taste CC.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 27, 2013, 11:07:51 PM
Fiber? Now, to me, that is just no longer acceptable, and it's just too bad, for it's a gigantic, beautiful tree.

Here is a Valencia Pride I just ate:


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This Valencia Pride was just about 6in long and from others I have seen this is on the smaller size for "VP". The array of colors on this fruit is very pretty. The seed is thin and long and there is a high amount of flesh to seed. The flesh is yellow and has some fiber. The taste reminded me of a bland nectarine.

-joep450


That thin seed, from the 'OKPT' mango, looks awesome, and so does the description of the fruit.
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Here is a mango I bought from Excalibur called "OKPT" last week. When I picked up this interesting mango I asked the Latino gal behind the counter what "OKPT" stood for and she said she wasn't sure and it was mis labeled so let the guessing games begin?!?! Could this be okrung pi tong?...it is definitely from the orient.

So where do I begin, I loved this mango. It is long at just over 7in and had a hefty weight to it, great length as well as width. This was ripe with yellow skin and brown spots. The flesh was light yellow, fiberless, and seemed like it was on its way to jelly seed the closer to the seed you ate. The flesh to seed ratio was incredible lots of delish mango to eat. The seed is the longest mango seed I have yet see at just over 6in and was very thin. The taste was very different from your tropical peach pineapple or pungent indian "funk" flavor, it was to me the flavor of banana and sugar cane combined. I am going to grow the seed from this mango just incase our paths never meet again.

-joep450


What about the thickness (or thinness) of the seed (of the 'TBK' mango)?
Here is a mango I got from Excalibur that had "TBK" written on it. The lady behind the counter said this was tog bi con, yet I was under the impression tog bi con was an Asian cultivar looking similar to ivory from an earlier Harry post. Bottom line is I can't find any info on "tog bi con" and so I have another mystery mango to review without the "peach buttercream nirvana" name bias.


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This mango was almost 5in long and weighed 517g. The mango was ripe yellow with some slight green areas and slight pink blush on the top (hard to see in picture). It is more of a wide mango being just slightly longer than it is wide. When I cut the mango open it was absent of any strong delightful smell, but was was perfectly ripe absent of any soft spots on the beak with no bruising elsewhere. The flesh was a yellow orange, and completely fiberless. I had a difficult time evaluating the taste of this mango.  Its greatest feature was the large quantity of silky smooth fiberless flesh and then it was sweet. If i could try and relate it to another mango i would say the alphonso mango, which most people find as a delicious mango and what i think is a great all around mango that most people enjoy; this is partly because it is balanced and doesn't sway in any one direction taste wise yet it is sweet and has delicious texture. Overall this mango was great eating mango.

-joep450


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Hollywood on July 27, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Fiber? Now, to me, that it's just no longer acceptable, and it's just too bad, for it's a gigantice, beautiful tree.

Here is a Valencia Pride I just ate:


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This Valencia Pride was just about 6in long and from others I have seen this is on the smaller size for "VP". The array of colors on this fruit is very pretty. The seed is thin and long and there is a high amount of flesh to seed. The flesh is yellow and has some fiber. The taste reminded me of a bland nectarine.

-joep450


"Bland nectarine" is an excellent description of VP.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 27, 2013, 11:26:09 PM
Thank you for that description Katie of the Valencia Pride, appreciations galore.

I would also like to second that great description of Carrie mango.
Here is a Carrie that I bought from truly tropical:


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I am a big fan of Carrie and I know most people have had it but here is my review. Usually I eat carries a little bit greener mostly because I just can't wait to eat them and because they can get more juicy the longer they are allowed to ripen. This carrie above at just over 4 inches long was a yellow gold with some green splotches mixed in and felt pretty soft and ready to eat. When I cut the top off I could immediately smell it's piney aroma similar of when you first open an orange you get hit with the bitter sweet smell of the peel. I next halved the mango which displayed a bright orange juicy fiberless flesh. Of note, of the carries I have had most have soft nose even though they are not so pointed I believe this is a side effect of really soft flesh. The flavor is very interesting in that as you eat it sort of changes shape from sweet mango with subacid citrus to an edge of piney-resinous aftertaste the closer you get to the skin. A delicious mango in my opinion. Yum.

-joep450


'Young' (Tebow) mango review
Medium size mango. It changes to a yellowish color when it's ready to pick. It's completly fiberless, and has a very thin seed. This is a dessert mango. If what they mean by dessert, is that you can slice each side of the mango, and then scoop the flesh/meat out with a spoon, then this is it; perfect mango so far. Now, the flavor, let me put it this way, it doesn't reach the caliber taste of an Edward or Alphonso mango. Nevertheless, it's sweet and tasty. When I'm done eating one, I always want more. I have a producing tree in my yard, and every year I can't wait to eat its fruit. That tree is a keeper.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 28, 2013, 12:30:39 AM
Here is a mango called ice cream which I purchased from truly tropical:


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The first time I went to truly tropical I could not help my wandering eyes as I scanned up and down the rows of 50+ kinds of mangos trees my eyes would center on one peculiar tree. You know it's a mango but it stands out amongst the rest, this is the ice cream mango "IC". In the above picture, I have on the upper left a picture of the leaves of my coconut cream in comparison to the thin dark leaves of the IC. And below those you can see the full tree with its compact canopy.

The IC mangos shape when laying flat is similar to the side profile of the human skull, it has a lobed backside and then a jawline that dips down. This mango weighed 395g, was about 3.5in long and was ripe with a light yellow with some green patches. It had a slight sweet pine aroma to the outside skin. When I cut open the mango it revealed to my surprise a whitish yellow flesh. The flesh had some juice to it but was not at all watery instead the texture was smooth and had a creamy thickness that you could just savor with every bite. The seed was short and thick and i would say the flesh to seed ratio was good, it is also a monoembryonic seed. The taste was interesting because you are focused on the mouth feel and at the same time you are tasting a lemony sweetness that fades into a resinous aftertaste. After I ate this one I ate another, and after that I wanted another but I Have no more left! Definitely enjoyed eating this mango and plan to add this cultivar to my grow list.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 28, 2013, 01:54:00 AM
Here is a lemon zest mango off my mothers tree:


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Earlier this year I posted some pics of this tree in bloom and despite other forum members cautionary advice I let the tree hold fruit anyways and it produced two excellent tasting mangos. Now I'm going to do my best to be unbiased as this tree is apart of my family, but if you haven't already, brettborders review is really detailed.

When holding this mango up close you can smell the "lemon zest", it has its own distinct smell. The mango was just over 5in long and weighed 471g, it was a bright yellow-orange when ripe. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright yellow-orange flesh that was perfectly ripe. The juice from the flesh was syrupy and coated the flesh glazing it rather than being thin and running off. The polyembryonic seed was long and somewhat thick, but there was plenty of flesh to eat. The texture of the flesh was firm, thick, creamy, and completely fiberless. The taste was an intense endless sweet lemon with a slight honeydew nuance that captivated my tongue. At first bite I was surprised at what was going on and as I ate further I gained a real appreciation for what the Zill clan has done with this mango it is truly a unique mango that lives up to the lemon zest name. Towards the end i did not have a craving for another one though. I think this was my body's natural response to something that is so intensely sweet and lemony that if trying to eating another one I would incur an upset stomach. Overall I'm glad I planted out this tree and am looking forward to next years harvest.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 28, 2013, 09:05:34 AM
Here is a mango called ice cream which I purchased from truly tropical:


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The first time I went to truly tropical I could not help my wandering eyes as I scanned up and down the rows of 50+ kinds of mangos trees my eyes would center on one peculiar tree. You know it's a mango but it stands out amongst the rest, this is the ice cream mango "IC". In the above picture, I have on the upper left a picture of the leaves of my coconut cream in comparison to the thin dark leaves of the IC. And below those you can see the full tree with its compact canopy.

The IC mangos shape when laying flat is similar to the side profile of the human skull, it has a lobed backside and then a jawline that dips down. This mango weighed 395g, was about 3.5in long and was ripe with a light yellow with some green patches. It had a slight sweet pine aroma to the outside skin. When I cut open the mango it revealed to my surprise a whitish yellow flesh. The flesh had some juice to it but was not at all watery instead the texture was smooth and had a creamy thickness that you could just savor with every bite. The seed was short and thick and i would say the flesh to seed ratio was good, it is also a monoembryonic seed. The taste was interesting because you are focused on the mouth feel and at the same time you are tasting a lemony sweetness that fades into a resinous aftertaste. After I ate this one I ate another, and after that I wanted another but I Have no more left! Definitely enjoyed eating this mango and plan to add this cultivar to my grow list.

-JoeP450


Great review and pictures.  Very interesting leaves on the tree.  I wonder has anyone grown thus mono from seed and what was the result....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 28, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
hahah that incredibly rich flavor is precisely what I find irresistable about the LZ. If you think that was intense, you should try the pina colada hahahah. The first time I had a pina colada, I got a mild upset stomach due to the overwhelming sugar content. A few folks were calling the LZ 'bland' when compared to the O-2 (aka Peach Cobbler), so I can only imagine how intense the flavor is on that one. I think a lot of us mango lubbers enjoy that intense flavor.


When holding this mango up close you can smell the "lemon zest", it has its own distinct smell. The mango was just over 5in long and weighed 471g, it was a bright yellow-orange when ripe. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright yellow-orange flesh that was perfectly ripe. The juice from the flesh was syrupy and coated the flesh glazing it rather than being thin and running off. The polyembryonic seed was long and somewhat thick, but there was plenty of flesh to eat. The texture of the flesh was firm, thick, creamy, and completely fiberless. The taste was an intense endless sweet lemon with a slight honeydew nuance that captivated my tongue. At first bite I was surprised at what was going on and as I ate further I gained a real appreciation for what the Zill clan has done with this mango it is truly a unique mango that lives up to the lemon zest name. Towards the end i did not have a craving for another one though. I think this was my body's natural response to something that is so intensely sweet and lemony that if trying to eating another one I would incur an upset stomach. Overall I'm glad I planted out this tree and am looking forward to next years harvest.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 28, 2013, 12:19:53 PM
hahah that incredibly rich flavor is precisely what I find irresistable about the LZ. If you think that was intense, you should try the pina colada hahahah. The first time I had a pina colada, I got a mild upset stomach due to the overwhelming sugar content. A few folks were calling the LZ 'bland' when compared to the O-2 (aka Peach Cobbler), so I can only imagine how intense the flavor is on that one. I think a lot of us mango lubbers enjoy that intense flavor.

Geez Jeff, at this point I can't image something stronger than LZ, looking forward to having my mind blown with the peach cobbler and and piŮa colada, que pink Floyd's dark side of the moon. What's next prescription strength mangos....lol
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 28, 2013, 09:15:25 PM
I ate my first O-2 today. It was a bit more tart than I really like.  I'm going to try letting the next one ripen more and see how that tastes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 29, 2013, 01:48:57 PM
Here is a Austin mango from ensy's:


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This mango has an interesting shape, on the shoulder there is a long indentation and then on the top where the stem attaches it is lumpy like the bottom of an apple. This mango was 4.5 in long, weighed 592g was bright red/yellow and dotted with white spots. I cut open the mango and it revealed a bright orange flesh that was very juicy of a watery consistency. The texture had some slight bristly fiber to it but hardly of an inconvenience, the flesh was loose and watery. The taste was similar to the Tyler mango only not as strong of an orange soda taste plus the Austin had a musky finish. The seed is monoembryonic.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 29, 2013, 02:12:55 PM
Here is a Haden mango from truly tropical:


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According to Chris Rollins this is the mango that started it all in Florida. A seedling said to be of mulgoba and turpentine with a monoembryonic seed. This mango was 5in long and weighed 610g, was a orange-yellow that faded into a bright red. An interesting note was that the outer skin felt oily and had a nice smell as if the mango itself was sweating resinous sugar. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright orange flesh with some watery juice and a pleasant sweet smell. The flesh was soft and juicy. The texture had some fine fiber which I took a picture of zoomed in above and what I call "bristly" when i describe mouth feel, as well as some long stringy fiber. The tast was mildly sweet of mango flavor with a little resin twist.

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 29, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
Here is a florigon mango from truly tropical:


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This florigon was 4in long and weighed 394g, it was a flat orange color with black freckling and a large anthracnose streak. This was another mango which had an oily feel to the outside skin. When I cut open the mango it revealed a deep orange color with hardly any excess juice.  The juice that was present adhered to the flesh and was a syrupy consistency. The flesh was smooth with a consistency somewhere between gelatinous and creamy completely absent of fiber. The sugar content seemed mild and the taste seemed like mild honeydew melon. Overall I thought the flesh was of desert quality but it was not really sweet and lacked any distinct flavor characteristics, maybe this was watered down? Worthy of a second try.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: nullzero on July 29, 2013, 02:52:23 PM
Enjoy the reviews Joe, very descriptive and easy to follow layout. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: puglvr1 on July 29, 2013, 03:13:22 PM
Yes, thanks for all your great reviews Joe...its very helpful. There are SO many mangoes I've never tasted...

I like Haden...not one of my favorites but I' was given some and have purchased a couple from a local vegetable stand... and they aren't too bad, more fiber than I normally prefer but a good mango all the same...Just personally wouldn't  plant a tree. Too many others on my wish list  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 29, 2013, 03:16:44 PM
Here is a springfels mango purchased from ensy's:


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This was a beast of a mango and it served as desert after dinner for me, my wife, her grandpa, aunt and uncle. It was great to share this mango with them because they, besides my wife, have only had what is available in the stores to purchase as their experience with mango. This mango was 2lbs and 5.5oz and 6.75in long. The outside coloration is distinct to the other springfels i have seen with a streaking of color from to to bottom and was red fading into orange into yellow. My uncle was particularly interested in how to process a mango, so I first halved the mango lengthwise and then cubed it by the "hedge-hog" method and presented it on a plate. The flesh was yellow, soft and juicy. The texture had some long fibers with some small bristly ones not very noticeable when cubed. The taste to me was similar to a Valencia pride with slight tangy-ness and when I asked the table what they were tasting, my wife's aunt replied with "apricot" which seemed probable. There was a lot of meat on this mango and the seed is monoembryonic.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 29, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
Edit to the above: by distinct to the other springfels I have seen I meant distinct along with the other springfels I have seen. It's like the sun paints these mangos in streaks vertically up and down.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 29, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
Here is the banana mango purchased from ensy's:


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 This mango is very unusual in that it has a long "S" shape, is thin, with striking red pink yellow coloration. The mango was 5.75in long and weighed 282g. The outside of the mango smelled just like green unripe bananas. When I cut the mango open it revealed a golden yellow flesh, with some watery juice present. Unseen in the pictures, there were long stringy fibers that ran the length of the mango from top to bottom which made it difficult to spoon out. Also the amount of available flesh to seed is very small as this mango is pretty thin which made it difficult to extract any flesh around the long fibers. The flesh was soft and juicy and the flavor was similar to eating an unripe green cavendish banana: tangy, sweet, and bitter banana was the taste and it even made my tongue itch for some reason. The seed is funny looking and is monoembryonic. Overall I was disappointed, rating this above the wise mango only because of looks. Worth a try for novelty purposes but don't say I didn't warn you! I'd eat a banana any day over this mango.

-JoeP450
Title: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 29, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
This is the list I have so far of 'Perfect (or near perfect) Dessert Mango Cultivars.' I'm trying to make a list of mango cultivars that have no fiber, a thin seed, and taste good:

Tebow
July 29, 2013
Medium size mango. It changes to a yellowish color when it's ready to pick. It's completly fiberless, and has a very thin seed. This is a dessert mango. If what they mean by dessert, is that you can slice each side of the mango, and then scoop the flesh/meat out with a spoon, then this is it; perfect mango so far. Now, the flavor, let me put it this way, it doesn't reach the caliber taste of an Edward or Alphonso mango. Nevertheless, it's sweet and tasty. When I'm done eating one, I always want more. I have a producing tree in my yard, and every year I can't wait to eat its fruit. That tree is a keeper.
August 13, 2013
Today I had a tree ripened Tebow mango off the the tree in my yard. The color was yellow, the size was medium-large. And, I want to take another shot at the description of the taste, while being as impartial as possible. This mango cultivar is not like others, where when you have one mango, you're satisfied and don't really crave for more. With this cultivar, I always want more. The taste is sweet but not overwhelming/overpowering, it's a delicious, fine, delicate taste. It reminds me of addictive fruits like lychee and longan, you just want to keep on eating more and more. The seed is very thin, and there is a lot of flesh to eat.
LEOOEL
 
Maha Chanok
Many consider it the best mango had ever tasted. Very rare mango variety from Singapore. Its is a long fruit looking similar to Nam Doc Mai but with a pink blush. The season is long and can vary from year to year. It is fiberless with good flesh to seed ratio. The seed is almost paper thin. This mango would be perfect for the container considering its slow growth habit. May be aslo spelled Maha Chanok or Maha Chanok.
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Carrie
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I am a big fan of Carrie and I know most people have had it but here is my review. Usually I eat carries a little bit greener mostly because I just can't wait to eat them and because they can get more juicy the longer they are allowed to ripen. This carrie above at just over 4 inches long was a yellow gold with some green splotches mixed in and felt pretty soft and ready to eat. When I cut the top off I could immediately smell it's piney aroma similar of when you first open an orange you get hit with the bitter sweet smell of the peel. I next halved the mango which displayed a bright orange juicy fiberless flesh. Of note, of the carries I have had most have soft nose even though they are not so pointed I believe this is a side effect of really soft flesh. The flavor is very interesting in that as you eat it sort of changes shape from sweet mango with subacid citrus to an edge of piney-resinous aftertaste the closer you get to the skin. A delicious mango in my opinion. Yum.
-joep450

Carrie Mango - the flavor is by far the most outstanding feature of this variety. It has absolutely no fiber and extremely rich in flavor, sweet, aromatic and a pure pleasure to eat. You will savor every mouthful! Its compact size makes it an excellent dooryard tree that requires minimal care. Both fruit and tree have little to no problem with fungus or disease. Lack of color and firmness are the only shortcomings of this superb variety. To determine where to pick, look for a subtle yellow color at its base. Do not let the fruit drop from a tree, or it will bruise since it's completely fiberless. Many people agree that this is the best tasting mango in existence!
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 30, 2013, 12:08:19 AM
Someone help me understand Nam Doc Mai a little better. I bought a big bucket from a homeowner on MI. The first one I had tasted pretty good, with a complex flavor and a pleasing vanilla aftertaste.  Every one after that has been HORRIBLE - like an off metallic taste coupled with a terrible astringency. Just Blech.

They came off the same tree and were picked at the same time... I've waited until they were soft and mostly yellow.  Were they picked too early?  I keep hearing about how good NDM is but so far I'm not seeing it.
Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 30, 2013, 12:11:39 AM
I agree that Carrie is one of the absolute bests I've had.

I got to say, for as common as it is, a good Florida grown Kent is hard to beat. The ones I've had this year have consistently been better than the Edwards I've obtained this year.

I haven't had the pleasure of tasting the Zill creations, although there's a small coconut cream growing in the backyard.
Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: RodneyS on July 30, 2013, 12:18:23 AM
I had a Maha last week and it had fiber
Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 30, 2013, 01:25:15 AM
I had a Maha last week and it had fiber

Could it be that there are different varieties of Maha? If so, I sure dislike the confusion.

Slopfog, I agree those Kent can be real good. It's interesting that the ones you've had are up there or better than Edward's, wow.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 30, 2013, 07:03:43 PM
Here is an Irwin mango I purchased from ensy's:


(http://s10.postimg.cc/u54n2semd/0b4360fb8c15c341bea73fb90efa5f16.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u54n2semd/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/fn7fusnb9/43370e30c070204bda90a3a0e0313924.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fn7fusnb9/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/kj6h8qy2t/eb3610bf0fa94981d5194f68619ba739.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kj6h8qy2t/)

This mango was a striking burgundy color and on the smaller side being 3.75in long and weighing 265g. When I cut open the mango it revealed a butterscotch yellow color flesh with some watery juice. The flesh was soft and watery, the texture was fiberless. The flavor was a mild sweet with a slight tangy-ness and with a refreshing aftertaste somewhat reminiscent to cucumber not in taste but like a cool refreshing. The seed is monoembryonic and not really big compared to the mango but since the mango was small to begin with there was a small amount of edible flesh. The mango-lite meal option on the mango diet.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: zands on July 30, 2013, 07:29:07 PM
I agree that Carrie is one of the absolute bests I've had.

I got to say, for as common as it is, a good Florida grown Kent is hard to beat. The ones I've had this year have consistently been better than the Edwards I've obtained this year.

I haven't had the pleasure of tasting the Zill creations, although there's a small coconut cream growing in the backyard.

Kent can be very very good. Can be full flavored delirious complex sweet. I am waiting for mine to get ripe. Not too many fruits but they seem to be 2-3 weeks away from ripeness.
Last year I found an old Kent tree that was dropping fruits over a hedge beyond where the homeowner (who had a hundred+ anyway) was not retrieving them. So I retrieved some, awesome fruit and large!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 30, 2013, 07:39:47 PM
Here is a sunset mango mango I purchased from ensy's:


(http://s24.postimg.cc/ratwnrogx/1d50a42f73af4bda621330e2aa7480c9.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ratwnrogx/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/3xvv598dd/5149b7edb291deac46b6a4224bc50fe9.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3xvv598dd/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/xzvuq1kf5/0648858d73435a233b39d90e4d248cf8.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xzvuq1kf5/)

This is a very pretty mango which I think has rightfully earned the name sunset! This mango had green, yellow, orange, and pink blush. It weighed 420g and was just slightly over 5in long. Despite the large amount of green on the mango it felt soft and ripe though also absent of any mango smell. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright yellow flesh glazed over with syrupy juice adhering to the mango. The flesh had a slight creamy texture to it and was fiberless. The taste was sweet-citrus, of a lemon-lime sprinkled with sugar and a little tangy mango flavor. The flesh to seed ratio in this mango was good with plenty of flesh to eat, the seed is monoembryonic. I am particularly not a fan of tart in mangos but I really liked the flavor in this mango, thought it was delicious. Anyone know who is currently propagating growing this mango?


-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on July 30, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
What a great thread. I think i'll add my 3 cents, all commercial varieties found at the indian store. No pics, sorry.

Haden: Blah. bleh. fibery. not worth the $$.

Ataulfo:; Eek. WHat happened here?they were so much better last year. This year, bug infested and sour. Worthless.. I should have been paid to take these of their hands.

Kent: A single ray of sunshine in this mango dystopia. Sweet, rich, creamy, worth every bite and more. At least comparatively to everything else we had access to. The flesh was fiberless, yellow orange in color. Just like sunshine! I had about three of these. Because it was so good, a seed somehow found it's way into a cup of dirt, and magic turned it into a small seedling  ;D.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 30, 2013, 09:22:49 PM
Here is a sunset mango mango I purchased from ensy's:


([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/ratwnrogx/1d50a42f73af4bda621330e2aa7480c9.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ratwnrogx/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/3xvv598dd/5149b7edb291deac46b6a4224bc50fe9.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3xvv598dd/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/xzvuq1kf5/0648858d73435a233b39d90e4d248cf8.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xzvuq1kf5/[/url])

This is a very pretty mango which I think has rightfully earned the name sunset! This mango had green, yellow, orange, and pink blush. It weighed 420g and was just slightly over 5in long. Despite the large amount of green on the mango it felt soft and ripe though also absent of any mango smell. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright yellow flesh glazed over with syrupy juice adhering to the mango. The flesh had a slight creamy texture to it and was fiberless. The taste was sweet-citrus, of a lemon-lime sprinkled with sugar and a little tangy mango flavor. The flesh to seed ratio in this mango was good with plenty of flesh to eat, the seed is monoembryonic. I am particularly not a fan of tart in mangos but I really liked the flavor in this mango, thought it was delicious. Anyone know who is currently propagating growing this mango?


-JoeP450


I did pickup a Sunset via the mango festival but am not 100% sure it is the same one.  Seed planted today...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on July 30, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
I believe the ensey sunset is different from the fairchild one...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on July 30, 2013, 09:39:06 PM
Here is a sunset mango mango I purchased from ensy's:


([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/ratwnrogx/1d50a42f73af4bda621330e2aa7480c9.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/ratwnrogx/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/3xvv598dd/5149b7edb291deac46b6a4224bc50fe9.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/3xvv598dd/[/url])

([url]http://s24.postimg.cc/xzvuq1kf5/0648858d73435a233b39d90e4d248cf8.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xzvuq1kf5/[/url])

This is a very pretty mango which I think has rightfully earned the name sunset! This mango had green, yellow, orange, and pink blush. It weighed 420g and was just slightly over 5in long. Despite the large amount of green on the mango it felt soft and ripe though also absent of any mango smell. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright yellow flesh glazed over with syrupy juice adhering to the mango. The flesh had a slight creamy texture to it and was fiberless. The taste was sweet-citrus, of a lemon-lime sprinkled with sugar and a little tangy mango flavor. The flesh to seed ratio in this mango was good with plenty of flesh to eat, the seed is monoembryonic. I am particularly not a fan of tart in mangos but I really liked the flavor in this mango, thought it was delicious. Anyone know who is currently propagating growing this mango?


-JoeP450


I did pickup a Sunset via the mango festival but am not 100% sure it is the same one.  Seed planted today...


What you got would have been the Frank Adam's Sunset from Bokeelia, FL. The only example of the Merrit Island Sunset growing outside of MI that I'm aware of is the tree at the Fruit and Spice park.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 30, 2013, 11:25:28 PM
Here is an Edward mango I purchased from ensy's:



(http://s22.postimg.cc/es8pn5pxp/05f79474baf8a5e72272bbaf02e6ef8e.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/es8pn5pxp/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/pgcglzzwt/897661dd46846916ab01bbaaa34ff3b8.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pgcglzzwt/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/os3m32171/c61f2b5a3266444a265eeef11aede8cc.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/os3m32171/)

This Edward mango had some interesting coloration being light brown with pink, canary yellow and white spots. It weighed 434g and was 4.25in long. When I cut the mango open it exposed a butterscotch colored flesh with some watery juice. The flesh was soft, fiberless, and had a juicy feel but some creamy texture to it not skewed in either direction. There was great flesh to seed ratio and the seed is a monoembryonic seed. The taste was sweet, not tangy, of good mango flavor. I didn't taste anything out of the ordinary no resin, citrus, other fruit nuance or Indian funkiness, I think the Edward is not a complex mango the focus is on the sweetness of mango flavor in a balanced texture of juicy/creamy flesh what's not to like right?  People are nuts about Edward. I see Edward in many peoples top 5's, 10's ect. What this illustrates is that although taste is subjective there are commonly appreciated traits to what people atribute to a highly rated mango for example fiberless, sweetness, flavorfull, texture, unique taste and either the mango has those aspects or it doesnt. What I also see is that certain varieties are more commonly available or have just been around for longer and that the top 5's and 10's change slightly overtime as newer cultivars are developed and rare cultivars become more widely available. Probably the best method to see what one likes is to try as many as one can. Still working on it ; )

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on July 31, 2013, 12:03:14 AM
Here is an Edward mango I purchased from ensy's:

This Edward mango had some interesting coloration being light brown with pink, canary yellow and white spots. It weighed 434g and was 4.25in long. When I cut the mango open it exposed a butterscotch colored flesh with some watery juice. The flesh was soft, fiberless, and had a juicy feel but some creamy texture to it not skewed in either direction. There was great flesh to seed ratio and the seed is a monoembryonic seed. The taste was sweet, not tangy, of good mango flavor. I didn't taste anything out of the ordinary no resin, citrus, other fruit nuance or Indian funkiness, I think the Edward is not a complex mango the focus is on the sweetness of mango flavor in a balanced texture of juicy/creamy flesh what's not to like right?  People are nuts about Edward. I see Edward in many peoples top 5's, 10's ect. What this illustrates is that although taste is subjective there are commonly appreciated traits to what people atribute to a highly rated mango for example fiberless, sweetness, flavorfull, texture, unique taste and either the mango has those aspects or it doesnt. What I also see is that certain varieties are more commonly available or have just been around for longer and that the top 5's and 10's change slightly overtime as newer cultivars are developed and rare cultivars become more widely available. Probably the best method to see what one likes is to try as many as one can. Still working on it ; )

I remember trying Edward a few years back and being blown away by it. It's been a couple years since I got my hands on them, but this year I found them to be good... But not great. Most I've gotten were from MI but I did get some from a private residence in WPB.  I'm not sure if I'm chasing the high or Edward gets washed out in years with lots of rain or something. But as I've said before, the worst Kent I've had this year is better than the best Edward!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on July 31, 2013, 01:27:30 PM
Joe - I just LOVE that little scale of yours - it's a piece of
delicious art all on it's own..... :D



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 31, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Here is a cogshall I purchased from truly tropical:


(http://s16.postimg.cc/vqzprbpv5/75b6161486548446e3b52217a4be7386.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vqzprbpv5/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/58h2ilr5d/bd5dd8336ef82471334a2de19e6a7163.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/58h2ilr5d/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/rvwbor6pd/fe9dbc98942a6402643430393aed6615.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rvwbor6pd/)

The coloration on this mango was green, pink and yellow blended into each other with white spots. The mango weighed 381g and was 5in long. When I cut open the mango it revealed a yellow gold flesh with some watery juice. The flesh was fiberless, soft, and of melting consistency. It had nice flesh to seed ratio with plenty of edible flesh and a monoembryonic seed. The taste was sweet, with a slight tangy-ness and hints of orange juice with a spicy funky finish which I cannot compare nor explain exactly what it was. I thought this had a complex flavor. Next time i get my hands on a few of these i plan to eat them at different stages of ripeness to see how or if the flavor profile changes much, think that would be interesting.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 31, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
Here is a JD Ensey purchased from ensey's:


(http://s9.postimg.cc/xn43hcm2z/3a68ebb4027b1478f1bf364fb39136ab.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xn43hcm2z/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/8rantuzez/18bd14e8b53996456ce2431e8cd728ee.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8rantuzez/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/5lq23ngsr/56654efa44298d13ce55891229806d52.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5lq23ngsr/)

This mango had kind of an interesting shape with its double-beak at the bottom. It was a bright red that faded into orange with a small amount of green and was absent of any sweet smell on the outside. It weighed 438g and was 4.5in long. When I cut open the mango it revealed an orange flesh that was almost absent of juice. The flesh was firm, fiberless, with little juice. There was good flesh to seed ratio with a monoembryonic seed. The taste was mildly sweet with a plain mango flavor. I don't have much to say about this mango, thought it was pretty boring and not sweet.

-JoeP450

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ScottR on July 31, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
Very, very nice review of many mango varieties, thanks for taking time to post pic's and great comets on all the different varieties. :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 31, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Edward mango is the standard to beat, in my opinion. It has a classic mango taste, medium sized fruit, fiberless and thin seed. The only thing wrong with the Edward is the tree. It has low production, although it's a consistent bearer. If someone came up with a mango cultivar that has the quality specifications of the Edward, but also be a consistent, productive tree, well, that would be the Holy-Grail, as far as mangoes are concerned.

Thank you for your, very good, mango reviews, I really appreciate them.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 01, 2013, 11:01:00 PM
Here is a Fairchild mango I purchased from truly tropical:


(http://s8.postimg.cc/j8cqewmpd/3e2f1abb3342265b71138c42a877c8b7.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j8cqewmpd/)

(http://s8.postimg.cc/3x2xeapdd/7b4ec56bfabf62734748b65289329300.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3x2xeapdd/)



(http://s8.postimg.cc/xq9xmwe0h/532286a3e34943f71946036d6cfd487e.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xq9xmwe0h/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/ucpzac55h/ac2b7e5f9145091b3c0847d263cbe925.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ucpzac55h/)

This mango was a very small mango weighing only 220g and being just barely 3.5in long. It's coloration was a yellowing green and felt soft and ready to eat. There was not much smell on the outside of the mango. When I cut the mango open it revealed an orange flesh, a nice contrast to the greenish skin with some thin juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was fiberless, somewhere in between creamy/watery. There was a small amount of edible flesh relative to a thick seed. In the one picture you get a good idea just how small this mango is relative to the spoon and can see that there is a wide seed kind of like a Neelam. The seed was a b**** to open (more on that soon) and is monoembryonic. The taste was very delicious, sweet with honeydew nuance and also I did not taste any resinous aftertaste or tart. I thought this faichild reminded me very much of the cat hoa loc.

The steps I take to de-husk a mango seed go like this: eat as much flesh as possible off the seed, then with a brillow pad buff off any more slippery flesh in the kitchen sink under running water. Next I take kitchen shears and cut along the thin edge of the seed and then simply the husk opens with a hinge on the opposite edge. Next I wrap the embryo in a dry paper towel, moisten it under running water and then place it in a semi closed zip-lock bag for 1.5 weeks. By this time the embryo will have sprouted and then I plant it. This method is fool-proof and works really well for me. The Fairchild seed above was very thick and lacked a thin edge easily cut with kitchen shears. I had to get out the old dremmel this seed was so tough lol!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 01, 2013, 11:31:45 PM
Here is a Zill mango I purchased from truly tropical:


(http://s12.postimg.cc/5fisdvr2h/1bcad29d46e51b46a779a5e2c813f419.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5fisdvr2h/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/3mfvpk5vt/25e65ce215cd02a75b9c8005dc89ac18.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3mfvpk5vt/)

(http://s12.postimg.cc/fe3r0d0i1/a8d40d9bfc5a25d9d8ae1cc3f8542040.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fe3r0d0i1/)

This mango had a very bright smell to the outside skin, it was of citrus and strawberries, smelt very interesting I could not wait to try this. This mango was mostly red with some yellowing green on the beak and on the other side. It felt soft and ready to eat. When I cut the mango open it revealed a bright orange flesh with some thin watery juice. The flesh was almost completely fiberless, juicy, with a few long strings the closer you ate towards the outer skin or the deeper you dug with your spoon. This mango had some notably thicker skin. It had plenty of flesh to eat relative to the monoembryonic seed. The taste was good, sweet, mainly mango flavor base with few peachy pineapple notes.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 03, 2013, 01:45:54 AM
I have been in the Orlando area for the last 10 days, and had to do a quick trip to Miami and back, at the last minute i decided to make a detour and visit Merrit Island. I stopped by Ensey's place but gate was closed, and no one answered when i rang the bell, anyway i saw a few "mangoes for sale" signs along the road, decided to stop at one.

I picked up about 7 lbs of mangoes.

I was disappointing with the purchased, almost all the mangoes were watery with little flavor, Haden's I took a couple of bites and tossed them in the trash.  Baily's marvel had a hint of nice flavor but were just watered down, only mango that was enjoyable, was a single Zill, which tasted like a mango peach fusion to me.

I also stopped by my mothers home in Hollywood, our Valencia Pride tree is still loaded with fruit that are just starting to ripen. I picked a couple dozen and brought a few back with me to Orlando.

The one VP that has ripened that I ate, was delicious, it had a very noticeable coconut flavor to it.

One thing I noticed about VP. is that the tree had fruit starting to ripe at all different sizes, some fruit were very big, while others were pretty small.  the smaller fruit that ripened were not as good as the full grown well developed fruit. 

too bad I wont be around to enjoy the rest of the harvest from that tree.

 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitnut on August 03, 2013, 02:51:42 AM
Here is a mango I bought from Excalibur last week called xaoi cat hoa loc:


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([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/qsqmnoxx1/1e436e4ee1d5de3c4214542faeedbc06.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qsqmnoxx1/[/url])

([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/qdfcuobzp/5e2daaeddedc3d7ef4e33ea521a519f3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/qdfcuobzp/[/url])

This was a pretty good size mango at 5.5 inches long and weighing in at 578g. The top shoulders of this mango had some slight splits which turned dark brown. When I cut the top off I was surprised by how strong the smell was, I could clearly smell it's sweetness from 3 ft away on the counter top with just the top removed. The flesh was a bright orange color, completely fiberless and smooth with some juice. The seed was pretty large but so was the mango with plenty of edible flesh. The taste was delicious and had hints of honey dew melon with a slight orange flavor and almost no tart. The smell  was very  aromatic. I enjoyed just smelling this mango let alone eating it lol. Random fact xaoi is the Vietnamese word for mango. Overall awesome mango.

-Joep450


When I was in Vietnam, one of my wife's relative brought us some of this mango.  From the look of it, it looked sour and the skin color was green and it  did not look so nice.  My wife cut one and had me tried a piece.  WOW!!! That was the sweetest mango I have ever eaten.  In fact, all of the mango were sweet and not just that particular one.  I have a very sweet tooth, but trust me, it is really sweet!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 03, 2013, 08:38:03 AM
I picked a green Neelam about a week ago because it was touching the ground.  (Mine have the hook on the end.)  It took 3 or 4 days to soften and loose the green color.  Although the flavor and sugar were not fully developed, it still had a spicy but pleasant flavor.  Can't wait til the others ripen fully! ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 03, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
Tropic dude: I enjoyed the zill thought it tasted much like a Haden with more fruity skin peel aroma and taste. When I read more about it later turns out it is a seedling selection of Haden! It is much better than Haden with significantly less fiber.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on August 03, 2013, 10:51:26 AM
Tropic dude: I enjoyed the zill thought it tasted much like a Haden with more fruity skin peel aroma and taste. When I read more about it later turns out it is a seedling selection of Haden! It is much better than Haden with significantly less fiber.

-JoeP450

So it's basically an improved version of Haden.  8) Great mango reviews!  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 03, 2013, 12:12:27 PM
Tropic dude: I enjoyed the zill thought it tasted much like a Haden with more fruity skin peel aroma and taste. When I read more about it later turns out it is a seedling selection of Haden! It is much better than Haden with significantly less fiber.

-JoeP450

I do not want to sound like the varieties I mentioned were bad in any way, but that they must have gotten way too much rain or irrigation. for example even the Edward, although ripe, was watered down, previous Edwards I have had from S. Fla and the DR. were wonderful. 

I did not get these fruit from Ensey but from a house less than a mile north of his property.

So moral of this story is never judge a variety by 1 sample, if I had never tasted an Edward before, and judged that fruit by this sample, I would say it was flavorless , but from previous experience I know better.

Haden normally is a decent mango.  and is the "Father" of many many other varieties from Fla.

funny, while I was at that vendors house, he gave me a free turpentine to try, although it had fiber, it wasn't that bad taste wise which surprised me.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 03, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
Here is a Kent mango I purchased from Ensy's:



(http://s10.postimg.cc/fdcqq4f91/3fffaf53bc9161fc03f23877ec17eb36.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fdcqq4f91/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/8o67a3tx1/7a9bfa546b752a6449658c0de921ba5d.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8o67a3tx1/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/u81c4aotx/ce7505267dd35c8fc745def0d8ce5f1f.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/u81c4aotx/)

This mango had a red color that faded into an orange then to yellow with some small green patches and dotted with white dots. From the Kent's I have seen on my customers tree and on the trees at ensy's the mango pictured above is on the smaller size of near average being 4.5 in long and weighing in at 560g. This mango was a marathon to eat, the one picture above shows the weight of the skin and seed (non-edible parts) after eating which translates into a near 1lb of mango flesh, definitely filling. When I cut open the mango it produced a deep orange flesh with a small amount of watery juice. The seed was monoembryonic and large but there was plenty of fiberless flesh to eat. The flesh had a soft juicy feel to it and as I dug deep with my spoon close to the skin there was a very small amount of stringy fiber. The taste was of syrupy sweet mango flavor, no hints of spicyness, fruit notes, or indian funk but a large amount of fiberless syrupy sweet orange flesh. I really like looking at the kent mango tree loaded with mangos, almost an alien sight, they color up nicely and are large hanging spheres. Also the kent is a late season cultivar, a great option for those wanting to extend their season.


-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 03, 2013, 07:05:39 PM
Here is a Hindi Besennara from the Fruit and Spice Park:


(http://s14.postimg.cc/rawwhch31/3b7aeea04cf2abba804bcfa58d9a1b80.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rawwhch31/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/sr8ezhjzx/4b8bb0ff21daff4329a4c34c1a65b879.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sr8ezhjzx/)

I attended mango madness this year and out of all of the mangos I was able to try I thought this was the most memorable in taste and one of the top 5 I have had this year. I was able to bring a a Hindi Besennara "HB" home to eat as well and took some pictures but this was before I had started this thread and bought the weight scale and was actively measuring metrics so this post will lack that info. The shape of this mango resembled a giant jellybean and was a green starting to yellow with some reddish pink blush and felt ripe. When I cut the mango open it revealed a bright orange flesh with some watery juice. The flesh had a thick creamy texture with some slight stringy fiber. The taste was very interesting, it was sweet with a strong funky earth type aftertaste, very complex flavor and uniquely delicious in its own right. The polyembryonic seed was large relative to the flesh and the ratio was around 50-50. This is a selection from Egypt and anyone looking for more info on Egyptian cultivars can find it at this link http://www.manarasoft.com/pdf/P42.pdf (http://www.manarasoft.com/pdf/P42.pdf)

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on August 03, 2013, 09:08:16 PM

can find it at this link [url]http://www.manarasoft.com/pdf/P42.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.manarasoft.com/pdf/P42.pdf[/url])

-JoeP450


Good find.  Is anyone familiar with the Tiamour in the link?  Also sounds good and is poly too.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 04, 2013, 09:32:48 PM
Here is a Glenn mango I purchased from truly tropical:



(http://s24.postimg.cc/77y6b95kh/17dafe3efbddc893c860e00156054105.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/77y6b95kh/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/qoivxs0oh/801eecbed91c25a33995f37a6070c9ca.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qoivxs0oh/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/5dlbtiik1/35540e0d8b078b3a7abd04130016662e.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5dlbtiik1/)

From the outside the mango was yellow with some green splotches and felt ripe. The skin had a light smell of coconut. It was 5in long and weighed 471g. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright yellow-light orange flesh with some juice adhering to it. The flesh was fiberless and had a smooth texture in between juicy and creamy. There was a good amount of flesh to eat and the seed was monoembryonic. The taste was mildly sweet with a tropical taste with nuances of peach and coconut, no tangy-ness. A good tasting mango but would have appreciated it more if it was sweeter.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 12:08:59 AM
Here is the royal purple mango from ensey's:



(http://s14.postimg.cc/upxmwnndp/03e574e74d96f2d7190711f32e99f745.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/upxmwnndp/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/mygwy3j8d/d4e9125fb68594be8f09dd805241d474.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/mygwy3j8d/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/qsad790kd/f1f2e5f180bf344c20d26b3c53c68c5e.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qsad790kd/)

As you can tell from the picture the mango is not purple at all, this is because when it is on the tree it is deep purple (the shade of grimmace the mcdonalds character) and then after it is picked and starts to ripen and soften it becomes a crimson red. This mango is a small slightly ovate mango being about 3.75in long and weighing 271g. There was a slight bitter mango smell to the outside peel and the color was crimson red with a browning green patch and felt ripe. When I cut open the mango it revealed a bright yellow flesh that was hardly juicy. The flesh was fibrous and tough and not easily spooned out. The monoembryonic seed was large relative to the size of the mango. I have heard quite a bit about the taste of this mango being reminiscent of a Concord grape and I honestly have to disagree based on the four specimens I sampled. I sampled at slightly differing stages of ripeness even with "black seedless grapes" as a reference point (though they are not concord). The taste was complex, it was sweet with notes of spices like clove and bitterness which may appeal to some. Out of the four mangos I sampled I didn't finish a whole mango but ate 1/4 just evaluate and profile.


-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on August 07, 2013, 12:30:19 AM
Here is a Glenn mango I purchased from truly tropical:

From the outside the mango was yellow with some green splotches and felt ripe. The skin had a light smell of coconut. It was 5in long and weighed 471g. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright yellow-light orange flesh with some juice adhering to it. The flesh was fiberless and had a smooth texture in between juicy and creamy. There was a good amount of flesh to eat and the seed was monoembryonic. The taste was mildly sweet with a tropical taste with nuances of peach and coconut, no tangy-ness. A good tasting mango but would have appreciated it more if it was sweeter.

-JoeP450

I have the Glenn mango. For me it's a must have mango. It's one of those classic, quality mangoes that I just can't get enough of.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 12:38:37 AM
Here is the "Tess" mango from truly tropical:



(http://s22.postimg.cc/4h8chxj65/0f94b9ecd4e3a3627596b8204032f2e6.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4h8chxj65/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/yn6qwpq31/3ac716be3646530a61eec39c2e128379.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yn6qwpq31/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/wwnpv88jx/c133c812a2bc459906ac29c61558becc.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wwnpv88jx/)

Some friends just recently attended a fruit picking tour at truly tropical and brought me back this tree ripened "Tess" mango. From what I am told this is a really rare mango and is a cross between Carrie and Turpentine. Being the Carrie fan I am I was very excited to try this. This mango was a flat yellow with tiny blueish-green freckles near the top shoulders, pretty neat looking. It was 4.5in long and weighed 344g. The outside of this mango had a more pronounced smell of Carrie-like resin, and was soft and ready to eat. When I cut open the mango it produced a yellow orange flesh with a good amount of thin juice leaking out onto the plate. The undetermined seed type was large but still in good proportion to edible flesh. When I later opened the husk, I found the seed in the shape of a square and cant make heads or tails whether this is a poly or mono seed. I will plant this and update what happens later. The flesh was quite fibrous with sporadic long soft strings intermixed with in the flesh and then a large concentration of bristly fibers around the seed husk. The flavor had similarities to Carey but with more tangy-ness and skewed toward the resin side.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 01:34:54 AM
Here is a mango from ensey's called cannonball:



(http://s23.postimg.cc/ls49qensn/0eb1cd5d081501a1c2067c92a204ef6e.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ls49qensn/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/tnet57xfb/535141968d6250d226a80ea07f247d27.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tnet57xfb/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/o0ig7quwn/ae229ca63431ea13208687199f799eaf.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/o0ig7quwn/)

(http://s23.postimg.cc/k1l8ox69j/c9ed1847aacaef01ea806a31d95e6fac.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k1l8ox69j/)

This mango is aptly named according to its semi-rounded shape and large size much like a cannonball. I had low hopes digging into this mango, from first glance I was expecting maybe some yellow fleshed Franken-haden-like fibrous thing. But that estimate was way off! This mango was wide measuring 4in wide and weighing 570g. The outside coloration was orange fading into bright red with some black patches, the peel was slightly waxy absent of any strong smell and felt kind of soft with thick skin. When I cut this mango open to my surprise there was a deep orange flesh. The seed which is monoembryonic was short and thick and there was a very large amount of flesh to eat. Since I halved the mango, it literally felt like I was holding a bowl in the palm of my hand due to the roundness of the mango and how wide it is. There was so much edible thick flesh in this one half "bowl" that it was perfect to eat with a spoon. In the one picture above I took my spoon and in a conical motion scooped out flesh to show a) the ease of doing so because this is completely fiberless and b) to show just how deep one could go with a spoon and get an idea how much flesh there was. The flesh was completely fiberless and of a similar texture to florigon. The taste was strong and unusually resembling Madame Francis in syrupy sweetness and funky-musky aftertaste. Personally I really enjoy the taste of Madame Francis mangos but am deterred by the fiber, this cannonball mango has the best combination of florigon like flesh with Madame Francis like taste. Definitely a must try mango in my opinion.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 10:48:53 AM
Here is a tree ripened Duncan mango purchased from truly tropical:



(http://s22.postimg.cc/tluy9pj9p/7bc569a616d6d5ffa3bdafacad7a11f2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tluy9pj9p/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/78n7mwibx/133f1c14ca7e0dae08b29c574a575235.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/78n7mwibx/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/5fkaykx59/79971b91304503f1359629e7e4875c97.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5fkaykx59/)

This mango was a full canary yellow with some light browning in color and ripe. The skin was dry almost powdery and smelled very slightly of apricot. It weighed 397g and was 4.75in long. Before halving the mango I cut the top cap off near the stem and scrapped the small amount of flesh off with my top incisors to sample. This produced a very bitter taste similar to ground black pepper which confirms reports from other members on this forum that the Duncan mango does have a bitter tasting peel. Next, I halved the mango which produced a bright yellow-orange flesh loaded with watery juice. The monoembryonic seed was reasonable in proportion to edible flesh providing just enough to satisfy my craving. The flesh was fiberless and quite unique in that it had a creamy thickness though at the same time being very juicy, buttery. The taste was upper end of mild with fresh juicy sugar cane flavor, not tangy, falling somewhere in between Glenn and Edward in aftertaste. I find this mango really interesting in that the smell of the peel does not correspond to the bitter taste of the peel which does not correspond to the taste of the flesh! Funny. I actually preferred this Duncan over the Edwards I have had, but then again I probably haven't had the "perfect Edward" which so many rave about.

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 07, 2013, 11:27:12 AM
the "perfect Edward" which so many rave about.

I have eaten lots of Edwards this summer and only caught 2 at this 'perfect window of ripeness' moment which seems to only span hours, not days. When you taste it - you will know. An incredibly pure sweetness and delicacy in flavor that is so pleasing to the taste buds it is almost 'too good to be true.'
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
Here is an Osteen mango I purchased from ensey's:



(http://s16.postimg.cc/yu4he7tht/753ce0861509ac9741c5865cde12d106.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yu4he7tht/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/3ofs3q7f5/52457c8089df2415eb15e42c35799105.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3ofs3q7f5/)

(http://s16.postimg.cc/75hu6p6hd/82507f344c48b8f007835bc316539627.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/75hu6p6hd/)

From the pictures above this almost seems like two different mangos but the coloration on this mango was primarily pinkish-red most likely on the sun exposed side while olive green fading into mustard yellow then into red on the other side and was soft and felt ripe. This mango was 5in long and weighed in at 462g. As i cut open the mango along the side of the seed i could hear the knife cutting through small bristly fibers along the seed. The flesh was a pale yellow with hardly any juice. The monoembryonic seed was large but there was a good amount of flesh to eat. The texture of this mango was tough and had presence of soft long stringy fibers intermixed throughout the flesh and concentrated near the peel along with small bristly fibers originating from the sides of the seed. The flavor was mildly sweet and had a musky aftertaste somewhat like an overripe mushy peach. It was hard for me to concentrate on the flavor profile with so much going on in terms of its texture. Granted this is a one mango sample size, would be interested to hear others opinions on this mango.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 11:58:16 AM
the "perfect Edward" which so many rave about.

I have eaten lots of Edwards this summer and only caught 2 at this 'perfect window of ripeness' moment which seems to only span hours, not days. When you taste it - you will know. An incredibly pure sweetness and delicacy in flavor that is so pleasing to the taste buds it is almost 'too good to be true.'

Lol does the Edward send text alerts when of optimal ripeness?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 07, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
Alex aka Squam mentioned to me that Carrie also has a window of opportunity that may last hours rather than days.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: puglvr1 on August 07, 2013, 02:26:35 PM
Wow Joe!! How many different mangoes have you had this year? Lucky you!! I'm totally jealous! I think I've only had about 10-12 off the ones you've reviewed and tasted  :(...

Thanks for all your reviews  they are very helpful especially for us that don't live close enough to places that have SO many different varieties of mangoes to try...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 07, 2013, 02:33:19 PM
I do not remember Osteen being that fibrous, I sampled a few pieces from 2 different fruit.   the flesh was firm,  flavor being mild but good.   that one sampling motivated me to buy a tree,   

This variety seems to have some good commercial qualities to it.

Color and Size.  Its an attractive fruit and has the size most in demand in the market.
Shelf Life and Firmness :  Holds up to transport.
Taste good.

Its not a super juicy mango, and flavor is mild, but this may actually be a plus for some. I think these would do well for the gourmet restaurant market.

Another thing I like about the tree, is that they can be kept small.  and seems they would do well in high density and UHD systems. pictures of orchards I have seen from Spain, look like wine orchards with trees kept really small.  only 6-8ft tall.


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 07, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Here is a Van Dyke mango purchased from truly tropical:


(http://s18.postimg.cc/qsfgrulyt/2f3bd5874c2b4a41f37cac7f223c9244.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qsfgrulyt/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/xwxa0vt85/6b89b8b2c76a88974a13acd4bb458706.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xwxa0vt85/)

(http://s18.postimg.cc/j28ompjn9/17a13183329bd1cc265d3d7a66f52dd5.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j28ompjn9/)

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This Van Dyke had a good amount of anthracnose scaring, was yellow and fading into red with some white dots and a oily skin similar to a Haden. It weighed 383g and was about 4.25in long. When I cut the mango open it exposed a deep orange flesh that looked like it had some jelly seed and while my knife was slicing through the flesh I could hear the small bristly fibers from the seed snapping. In the one picture above I show a zoomed in close up of those fibers and these are what produce a "bristly" mouthfeel on the palate and what i am refering to when I say a mango has a bristly fibrous texture.  These bristles are most notable when spooning the flesh out but a fibrous mango can seem less fibrous if cubing the mango by the hedgehog method. The flesh had a bristly texture to it with a small amount of long stringy fibers dispersed throughout the flesh, but this was only a slight hinderance and still manageable to be eaten with a spoon. The monoembryonic seed was large and there was plenty of flesh to be eaten. The base taste was of pungent "mango" flavor, no peachy pineapple tangy-ness, with a slight resinous flavor when scrapping the flesh closest to the peel.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DurianLover on August 08, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 09, 2013, 11:45:04 PM
Here is a mango called Po Pyu Kalay (PPK) which was purchased from truly tropical:

This is the Po Pyu Kalay mango commonly called lemon meringue and PPK for short. This mango was a flat yellow in color and flecked with small brown dots when was soft and ripe. This mango weighed in at 309g and was 4.5in long. When I cut the mango open it reveled a bright yellow flesh glistening with syrupy mango juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was completely fiberless with a creamy texture. The polyembrionic seed was skinny and thick and overall there was a fair amount of flesh to eat. The taste was syrupy sweet of lemon citrus and honey with a slight funky taste on flesh directly off the seed. This was a delicious mango.

Since PPK is the parent of Lemon Zest I made sure to picture them side by side to show their similarities in coloration and shape but also an obvious difference in size. The LZ overall in every category is just MORE bigger, sweeter, lemony, creamy, viscous than the PPK. It is amazing something as good as the PPK could actually be improved, but the reality is a mango called Lemon Zest.

(http://s24.postimg.cc/hjzdnq78x/2282ec9c57a60ed76b81ae57f123d5ef.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/hjzdnq78x/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/fcv4zt1yp/bdcb77823f055e8a34436eeabcd62e51.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/fcv4zt1yp/)

(http://s24.postimg.cc/dz3i4i2pd/d29f4dc3853ad9ee72d498b086127301.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dz3i4i2pd/)

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 10, 2013, 12:22:17 AM
Here is a Philippine mango from Walter zills:


(http://s22.postimg.cc/7by08zi99/15b616434b375e2b2689cae11f604ae9.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7by08zi99/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/42jl2iu5p/69e08acad7c7c45988771ff87a98ca36.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/42jl2iu5p/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/563pehest/d717fc4ead737e00083dbf8c8844cf0f.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/563pehest/)

This mango was a flat yellow with some random brushes of brown and light green and felt ripe to eat. It weighed 330g and measured 4.75in. When I cut this mango open it revealed a butterscotch yellow flesh bursting with juice of thin consistency. The flesh of this mango was similar to ripe NDM and was fiberless with a slippery texture not creamy. The polyembrionic seed had a significant amount of long fiber on the edges of the seed which was only a nuisance eating the flesh directly off the seed. The taste was honey sweet and had very noticeable funky taste with lots of juice and no tangy-ness. A very good mango in my opinion, enjoyed every savory bite.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on August 10, 2013, 12:39:14 AM
Wow, based on the description/review, the 'Philippine' mango sounds really good.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on August 10, 2013, 08:16:25 AM
Here is a Philippine mango from Walter zills:


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([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/563pehest/d717fc4ead737e00083dbf8c8844cf0f.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/563pehest/[/url])

This mango was a flat yellow with some random brushes of brown and light green and felt ripe to eat. It weighed 330g and measured 4.75in. When I cut this mango open it revealed a butterscotch yellow flesh bursting with juice of thin consistency. The flesh of this mango was similar to ripe NDM and was fiberless with a slippery texture not creamy. The polyembrionic seed had a significant amount of long fiber on the edges of the seed which was only a nuisance eating the flesh directly off the seed. The taste was honey sweet and had very noticeable funky taste with lots of juice and no tangy-ness. A very good mango in my opinion, enjoyed every savory bite.

-JoeP450


My Philippine tend to be more elongated/not quite as squat in shape.  The color and description seem to be the same, however.  The name Philippine, I am sure, has been used to describe a number of mangoes. There are probably some seedling variability much the same as one sees in the Manila and Saigon  mangoes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 10, 2013, 12:17:54 PM
Sweet Tart - by Zill's High Performance Plants

(http://s2.postimg.cc/b68exa3dx/IMG_20130809_160227.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/b68exa3dx/)

WOW! This palm sized mango packs a knockout punch in the flavor department. The main theme is a bold, candy sweetness that is perfectly foiled by a very intense, pleasing sour flavor. When you bite closer to the peel, you get a blast of a resinous "Carrie" type flavor with a sour twang to it. If this mango was just a tad bit more sour it would be "too much" but it judiciously stops right at the brink of ecstasy.

The flesh is deep orange, truly fiberless, and oh-so-potent. You can nibble off a tiny bite the size of a grapefruit seed and it fills the whole mouth with pleasure & flavor.


(http://s16.postimg.cc/8zx2oj0cx/IMG_20130809_155818.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8zx2oj0cx/)

I am fairly self-controlled when it comes to being tempted by the sweetness of fruit. I frequently eat a half a 'normal' mango and leave the other half in the fridge for later or tomorrow, no problem. The Sweet Tart was truly addictive - both physically and psychologically. I put some in the fridge and found myself with a knife in my hand, staring & salivating over it just 10 minutes later. You just WANT MORE and can't really help it... like BBQ potato chips, etc.  Even if your brain were to "think" this mango is too sour, too intense or too mixed up & improper... your tongue will crave more because it rocks the taste receptors far harder than a typical fruit does.

Rating: A+. A masterpiece. Totally lives up to, or exceeds the name.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 10, 2013, 12:51:26 PM
Hey Brett, nice review and good hear this is a good mango I am currently waiting for mine to ripen up more. I would like to add that the sweet tart is a seedling selection of the ZINC: Zill Indochinese. Do you off hand know if the sweet tart is a poly seed? And about how large were your sweet tarts? Mine seem kind of small, and I'm trying to gauge the size relative to the benchmade blade in your pic.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Luisport on August 10, 2013, 12:54:15 PM
I try a Haden mango for first time some days ago, and like it a lot. It's very sweet and some fiber. So i think to germinate this mango to have it. I remove the hard exterior seed and involve the almond in wet paper, and put it in a seeled plastic bag in dark. In two days it's sprouting! The pic is here:
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 10, 2013, 02:29:50 PM
Do you off hand know if the sweet tart is a poly seed? And about how large were your sweet tarts?


Joe,

Here's a photo with a full-sized Bic lighter, a Sweet Tart fruit, and sweet tart seed. I don't know how to tell the difference between poly / mono mango seeds, can anyone enlighten me or share a link on how to determine? This seed is short, FAT / thick... not one of those long, paper thin seeds.


(http://s8.postimg.cc/69ayzxelt/IMG_20130810_130535.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/69ayzxelt/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 10, 2013, 02:35:16 PM
Sweet Tart is absolutely incredible. If you eat it when perfectly ripened, it loses that strong acidity. You'll have to try a few before you nail the ripeness. I would have named it Cola Mango, since the taste is very reminiscent of Coca Cola syrup. To make the deal even better, Zill's calls it a "compact" mango tree.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 10, 2013, 02:39:05 PM
Yep, I don't understand why folks are still planting PPK, when Lemon Zest -- an improved PPK -- is available. I think Zills blew it on the naming, since most folks think that the mango tastes like lemons based on the name (it doesn't).

Here is a mango called Po Pyu Kalay (PPK) which was purchased from truly tropical:

This is the Po Pyu Kalay mango commonly called lemon meringue and PPK for short. This mango was a flat yellow in color and flecked with small brown dots when was soft and ripe. This mango weighed in at 309g and was 4.5in long. When I cut the mango open it reveled a bright yellow flesh glistening with syrupy mango juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was completely fiberless with a creamy texture. The polyembrionic seed was skinny and thick and overall there was a fair amount of flesh to eat. The taste was syrupy sweet of lemon citrus and honey with a slight funky taste on flesh directly off the seed. This was a delicious mango.

Since PPK is the parent of Lemon Zest I made sure to picture them side by side to show their similarities in coloration and shape but also an obvious difference in size. The LZ overall in every category is just MORE bigger, sweeter, lemony, creamy, viscous than the PPK. It is amazing something as good as the PPK could actually be improved, but the reality is a mango called Lemon Zest.

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-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 10, 2013, 02:56:05 PM
Lemon Zest -- an improved PPK -- is available. I think Zills blew it on the naming, since most folks think that the mango tastes like lemons based on the name (it doesn't).


Have you ever had candied lemon peel? (example: http://theshiksa.com/2012/11/16/how-to-make-candied-lemon-peels/ (http://theshiksa.com/2012/11/16/how-to-make-candied-lemon-peels/)). It's got the sweet spectrum of lemon with all the bitterness / tartness leeched out by the sugar and processing. I think the Lemon Zest tastes closer to candied lemon peel than any other taste I can think of.

This is just a guess, but I am wondering if the naming choice of the Lemon Zest (LZ) could have been a partial tribute to Lawrence Zill?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on August 10, 2013, 04:21:33 PM
Here is an Osteen mango I purchased from ensey's:



From the pictures above this almost seems like two different mangos but the coloration on this mango was primarily pinkish-red most likely on the sun exposed side while olive green fading into mustard yellow then into red on the other side and was soft and felt ripe. This mango was 5in long and weighed in at 462g. As i cut open the mango along the side of the seed i could hear the knife cutting through small bristly fibers along the seed. The flesh was a pale yellow with hardly any juice. The monoembryonic seed was large but there was a good amount of flesh to eat. The texture of this mango was tough and had presence of soft long stringy fibers intermixed throughout the flesh and concentrated near the peel along with small bristly fibers originating from the sides of the seed. The flavor was mildly sweet and had a musky aftertaste somewhat like an overripe mushy peach. It was hard for me to concentrate on the flavor profile with so much going on in terms of its texture. Granted this is a one mango sample size, would be interested to hear others opinions on this mango.

-JoeP450

I have yet to have an Osteen that really got me going.  I find them to be rather bland and usually kind of dry.  Maybe I just haven't hit the right one, because they sure seem to be popular in Europe.

I have a special fascination with Merritt island selections since I'm originally from Brevard county.  Osteen is not one of the good ones from the area, IMO.  I assume the spaniards grow it for the same reason that boneheads around here still grow tommy Atkins.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 10, 2013, 05:32:13 PM
Yep, I don't understand why folks are still planting PPK, when Lemon Zest -- an improved PPK -- is available. I think Zills blew it on the naming, since most folks think that the mango tastes like lemons based on the name (it doesn't).

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Jeff, what about performance?  Is one of the two likely to be more productive than the other?   Is one of them less disease-resistant? Is it easier to determine when PPK, for existence, is at its flavor peak?    versus LZ?          With limited space I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Slopfog on August 10, 2013, 06:05:27 PM
Yep, I don't understand why folks are still planting PPK, when Lemon Zest -- an improved PPK -- is available. I think Zills blew it on the naming, since most folks think that the mango tastes like lemons based on the name (it doesn't).

Is LZ patented like a lot of otherZill's varieties?  If so, it may be that it undermines the profit of selling LZ vs. PPK.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 10, 2013, 07:09:27 PM
From my limited experience, I think that both LZ and PPK are very similar in terms of performance and disease resistance, but LZ excels in fruit taste, flesh consistency, and size. I think both have the novice-displeasing characteristic that they take 2 to 3 years before they start fruiting (ie, they're not precocious). So, both trees require some patience at the outset.

Jeff, what about performance?  Is one of the two likely to be more productive than the other?   Is one of them less disease-resistant? Is it easier to determine when PPK, for existence, is at its flavor peak?    versus LZ?          With limited space I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 10, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
LZ is not patented. I think they initially were going to patent both the CC and the LZ, but instead patented just the CC. I was told that the Fruit Punch was also going to be patented, but I don't know how that developed.

Is LZ patented like a lot of otherZill's varieties?  If so, it may be that it undermines the profit of selling LZ vs. PPK.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 10, 2013, 09:42:22 PM
LZ is not patented. I think they initially were going to patent both the CC and the LZ, but instead patented just the CC. I was told that the Fruit Punch was also going to be patented, but I don't know how that developed.

Is LZ patented like a lot of otherZill's varieties?  If so, it may be that it undermines the profit of selling LZ vs. PPK.

There's a fruit punch mango?  ???
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 10, 2013, 10:04:59 PM
Here is a cushman mango I purchased from truly tropical:


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Wow another delicious mango! This mango was a yellow-orange and dotted with random brown dots. This mango had some give to it though I was unsure if I should let it go longer or eat it now. One thing I have noticed is that mangos with thick skin wont give as much when they are in fact ripe and ready to eat, sounds pretty obvious right, but it seems that mangos ripen from the inside out and when dealing with a very wide mango such as this cushman which also has a thick peel, it can get tricky. From the taste of it, I nailed this cushman at an optimal time. This mango had a wide circular shape measuring 4.25in with a light citrus smell on the peel and weighing 618g. When i cut the mango open it revealed a bright yellow-orange flesh and gushed some thin juice. The cushman is similar in size/shape/texture to the cannonball mango which when halved provided an optimal bowl-in-hand desert that I enjoyed with a spoon. The texture was smooth while the flesh was firm and thick (think savory, having some weight to it). There were a small amount of long stringy fibers only noticeable when scrapping the flesh off the peel, and the circular monoembryonic seed had no fiber on it plus was very small relative to edible flesh providing a lot to eat. The taste was very reminiscent of PPK and LZ, it has a sweet orange-lemon taste without tangy-ness but with an added hidden spice.

-JoeP450

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 10, 2013, 11:07:33 PM
Here is a Jakarta mango I purchased from Truly Tropical:


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(Me just ranting) I got some beef. Some beef with the pine island variety viewer -> http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/ (http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/) and this illustrates one of the reasons why I am tasting these mangos, posting pictures, and reviewing for the sake that there is not enough info on the web for the average person to use when making informed choices. Most likely if your reading this, like me you have limited planting space and need to make the best possible choice with all the information available to you.  This variety veiwer of mangos is often cited and passed to others as a source of info and for crying out loud they have a picture of brahm kai meu with nam doc mai written beneath it. What if you never knew about NDM's distinct beak and shape? Then look at the picture of the lowly Jakarta, what a boring green mango with black dots. Maybe this looks like a Jakarta in the very early stages of fruiting, but every Jakarta I have ever seen hanging on a tree colors up nicely with some blush. I guess why advertise with such a boring picture is what I'm getting at.

This mango was large at 5in long and weighing 779g. The coloration was primarily yellow with some patches of green, a slight reddish-orange blush at its crown, and some anthracnose scarring. The smell on the outer peel was sweet and spicy. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright orange flesh. The texture was juicy and soft with a bristly mouthfeel. I would not describe this mango as "virtually fiberless" as described on the variety viewer UNLESS by virtually fiberless one is saying there was much fiber near the seed with a minimal amount of long stringy fibers dispersed throughout the flesh but still manageable to be enjoyed with a spoon ; ). There was a large amount of edible flesh and the seed was monoembryonic. The taste was of sweet mango flavor, not tangy, not resinous, and very juicy.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on August 11, 2013, 12:58:00 AM
This thread should be stickied and should not be allowed to die...


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on August 11, 2013, 07:38:52 AM
Here is a Jakarta mango I purchased from Truly Tropical:


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(Me just ranting) I got some beef. Some beef with the pine island variety viewer -> [url]http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/[/url] ([url]http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/[/url]) and this illustrates one of the reasons why I am tasting these mangos, posting pictures, and reviewing for the sake that there is not enough info on the web for the average person to use when making informed choices. Most likely if your reading this, like me you have limited planting space and need to make the best possible choice with all the information available to you.  This variety veiwer of mangos is often cited and passed to others as a source of info and for crying out loud they have a picture of brahm kai meu with nam doc mai written beneath it. What if you never knew about NDM's distinct beak and shape? Then look at the picture of the lowly Jakarta, what a boring green mango with black dots. Maybe this looks like a Jakarta in the very early stages of fruiting, but every Jakarta I have ever seen hanging on a tree colors up nicely with some blush. I guess why advertise with such a boring picture is what I'm getting at.

This mango was large at 5in long and weighing 779g. The coloration was primarily yellow with some patches of green, a slight reddish-orange blush at its crown, and some anthracnose scarring. The smell on the outer peel was sweet and spicy. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright orange flesh. The texture was juicy and soft with a bristly mouthfeel. I would not describe this mango as "virtually fiberless" as described on the variety viewer UNLESS by virtually fiberless one is saying there was much fiber near the seed with a minimal amount of long stringy fibers dispersed throughout the flesh but still manageable to be enjoyed with a spoon ; ). There was a large amount of edible flesh and the seed was monoembryonic. The taste was of sweet mango flavor, not tangy, not resinous, and very juicy.

-JoeP450


Agree whole heatedly with everything you have said.....except......all of the Jakartas I have had and grown have had a distinctly resinous flavor.  I wonder how this prominent aspect of the flavor profile differs in our flavor analysis.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on August 11, 2013, 09:35:17 AM
I've never tasted a Jakarta that lacked resin.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 11, 2013, 12:50:32 PM
When sampled this jakarta mango it was overly juicy and very well could have been watered down or over ripe. There was a slight resinous taste but I only noticed it on two bites and was so slight i thought it wasn't even necessary to bring up when the overall picture was non-resinous. I try and buy 2-3 of the same cultivar and use the most optimum sample to review. A few weeks ago I purchased a Jakarta that was olive green with blush and when I cut it open it was way overripe and the consistency of apple sauce, yet while on a fruit picking tour at TT the jakartas on the trees look ready to pick with nice color but are hard as rocks. I have had bad luck with Jakarta, I had a tree purchased from Excalibur that developed mango malformation disease and the tree was so young and short that to cut it a ft below the diseased portion would practically stump it so I ended up ripping the tree out.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on August 11, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
Joe, I really enjoyed this mango.i agree with you I wouldn't call it resinous I would say it's an intense. This is the kind of mango we love in the caribbean.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on August 11, 2013, 09:11:28 PM
Joe, I really enjoyed this mango.i agree with you I wouldn't call it resinous I would say it's an intense. This is the kind of mango we love in the caribbean.

Exactly the flavor ( the Caribbean taste)  I would call resinous.  That flavor is prominent to my taste buds in mangoes such as Jakarta, Julie, Bombay, Ice Cream and many other mangoes.  Perhaps we are having a terminology issue here. Intense, for sure......but also, for me, inescapably resinous.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on August 12, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
bump   8)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 12, 2013, 01:39:45 PM
Here are two okrung mangos I purchased from Walter zills:


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I have heard that okrung is often enjoyed green so this review is of green and ripe. Pic1 is ripe, pic2 is green flesh, pic3 is green outside, pic4 is ripe flesh, pic5 is ripe on scale. I would also appreciate growers of this cultivar feed back as to the normal size of this mango. When I was perusing through the many okrungs available they were all small being about 3in on avg and for some reason I was under the impression this was a much longer mango.  The green okrung was about 3.25in long, dark green on outside, and firm with no give. I first whittled the peel off then halved the mango along the seed on each side. There was no juice on the flesh and it was kind of sticky and sappy. The flesh was crispy, and fiberless. The taste was sweet and tangy. The overall picture was similar to a green apple, but if I had to choose I would rather eat a green okrung mango. The one drawback was the small amount of available flesh, the seed was wide and thin but the overall size of this mango was small. Next I waited a few days till the ripe okrung was ready (today). This mango had no smell on the outside, was a yellowing green and had significant softness to it. It weighed 214g and was 3.75in long. When I cut the mango open it revealed a pale yellow flesh with some watery juice. The flesh was fiberless and somewhat juicy. The taste was sweet resembling sugar cane, no tart or resin, but straight simple syrup flavor and reminded me of  the "OKPT" mango I reviewed earlier in this thread. The seed was thin and polyembrionic but this also was a small mango and I would have liked to have more available flesh.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on August 12, 2013, 01:43:24 PM
Joe, I really enjoyed this mango.i agree with you I wouldn't call it resinous I would say it's an intense. This is the kind of mango we love in the caribbean.

Exactly the flavor ( the Caribbean taste)  I would call resinous.  That flavor is prominent to my taste buds in mangoes such as Jakarta, Julie, Bombay, Ice Cream and many other mangoes.  Perhaps we are having a terminology issue here. Intense, for sure......but also, for me, inescapably resinous.

When you say resinous I think of a metallic, iodine taste and none of the mangos you mention have that taste. I associate that taste with mango Jobo and mango macho from Cuba....Carrie also has it at lease to me.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 12, 2013, 02:37:28 PM
When I say resinous I am basing resin off of the turpentine mango which is very resinous and so named because turpentine is literally a wood resin. Now there are different angles on "resin" which I will explain with examples of the Carrie and ice cream soon. My definition of a resin-taste is a bitter sap that will cause one to recognize the taste as almost some kind of chemical oil additive to the sweet flesh of the mango. I find mangos so incredible because of the diversity and nuance in flavor. Some are very direct while others are complex and can change shape throughout the mango, for lack of better example like wine. I have tasted spicy, syrupy honey sugar, honey dew Mellon, earthy type, musky, coconut, peach, nectarine, ect nuances in mangos as well as different consistencies of flesh and amount of fiber. All this play into the flavor and mouth feel of a mango. I taste resin in Haden, and its understandable because its parent is turpentine, so I know I'm not crazy. The Carrie and ice cream mangos are delicious and put their own unique spin on their resinous flavor. Carrie is almost like pine sol being strong piney and citrusy, while ice cream has an almost wintergreen oil and lemony bitterness to it. I can't say any mango has an indian/Caribbean/Floridian/Thai taste because I have only eaten over 80 different mango cultivars and lack the knowledge where the exact origins are from. In general though I think I can somewhat say I get more earthy musky type from India/Egypt, tropical fruit taste from Florida, and honey dew melon sugar cane from orient but there are in betweens in flavor like the "philipine" mango I reviewed recently which keep me from generalizing any such geographical origin. Also though it is named "philipine" it very well may be from somewhere else just as the peach mango tastes nothing like a peach and how the jakarta named mango, jakarta capital of indonesia, is no where geographically close to the caribbean. I try and not take any mango names for granted when reviewing flavor profiles. Just the mango by itself.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 12, 2013, 03:12:16 PM
Joe.  gotta say, I love your reviews. I open this thread every time I see it has been posted on.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 12, 2013, 03:29:29 PM
When I say resinous I am basing resin off of the turpentine mango which is very resinous and so named because turpentine is literally a wood resin. Now there are different angles on "resin" which I will explain with examples of the Carrie and ice cream soon. My definition of a resin-taste is a bitter sap that will cause one to recognize the taste as almost some kind of chemical oil additive to the sweet flesh of the mango. I find mangos so incredible because of the diversity and nuance in flavor. Some are very direct while others are complex and can change shape throughout the mango, for lack of better example like wine. I have tasted spicy, syrupy honey sugar, honey dew Mellon, earthy type, musky, coconut, peach, nectarine, ect nuances in mangos as well as different consistencies of flesh and amount of fiber. All this play into the flavor and mouth feel of a mango. I taste resin in Haden, and its understandable because its parent is turpentine, so I know I'm not crazy. The Carrie and ice cream mangos are delicious and put their own unique spin on their resinous flavor. Carrie is almost like pine sol being strong piney and citrusy, while ice cream has an almost wintergreen oil and lemony bitterness to it. I can't say any mango has an indian/Caribbean/Floridian/Thai taste because I have only eaten over 80 different mango cultivars and lack the knowledge where the exact origins are from. In general though I think I can somewhat say I get more earthy musky type from India/Egypt, tropical fruit taste from Florida, and honey dew melon sugar cane from orient but there are in betweens in flavor like the "philipine" mango I reviewed recently which keep me from generalizing any such geographical origin. Also though it is named "philipine" it very well may be from somewhere else just as the peach mango tastes nothing like a peach and how the jakarta named mango, jakarta capital of indonesia, is no where geographically close to the caribbean. I try and not take any mango names for granted when reviewing flavor profiles. Just the mango by itself.

-JoeP450

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What, too much?  ;D

For me, the words "only" and "80 cultivars" just don't go together. I'm crazy jealous of those who have tasted 20, me and my measly ten or so, but (wait a sec, ctrl I wont work here right?, oh, here's the button!) 80 is just awesome. You guys are so darn lucky!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on August 12, 2013, 10:19:20 PM
Finally got a fully ripened Lemon Zest.

Texture was firm but melting and totally fiberless.

Flavor was very sweet, it tasted like a regular PPK marinated in grape soda! Also some other wonderful flavors that I cannot adequately articulate. Fabulous! 

My new favorite mango. I've tasted about 50 different mango cultivars this season and Lemon Zest is hands down the winner.  This mango tree is a must have, I'm getting one next week.

I don't think it's sweeter than the PPKs at my house (lots of potassium fert) but the complexity of flavors is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 12, 2013, 10:24:55 PM
Here is a Pickering mango I purchased from Walter zills:


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This mango was yellow orange with some anthracnose. It was 4.5in long and weighed 449g. When I cut the mango open it revealed a nice yellow-orange flesh glistening with juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was completely fiberless, had a thick mouthfeel and was firm. In the one picture you can see how the flesh retains its shape when eating with a spoon yet the spoon glides through it like butter. There was a large amount of flesh to eat as the monoembryonic seed was thin and wide. The taste was a nice story that went like this: slight coconut nuance when first hitting the taste buds, then melting into a syrupy sweetness, and finishing with a slight bitter resinous aftertaste on flesh close to the skin. Very tasty mango and I decided to stay in the tropical mood and make myself a drink that went something like this: equal parts captain Morgan black spiced rum, vita coco pure coconut water, add ice and stir. Ahh goodnight forum.

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on August 12, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
I'm going to have one of each. I would not give up the PPK, still a top 3 mango for me. Plus in a normal season PPK is supposed to be an earlier fruit. PPK will be my appetizer for the LZ!

Yep, I don't understand why folks are still planting PPK, when Lemon Zest -- an improved PPK -- is available. I think Zills blew it on the naming, since most folks think that the mango tastes like lemons based on the name (it doesn't).

Here is a mango called Po Pyu Kalay (PPK) which was purchased from truly tropical:

This is the Po Pyu Kalay mango commonly called lemon meringue and PPK for short. This mango was a flat yellow in color and flecked with small brown dots when was soft and ripe. This mango weighed in at 309g and was 4.5in long. When I cut the mango open it reveled a bright yellow flesh glistening with syrupy mango juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was completely fiberless with a creamy texture. The polyembrionic seed was skinny and thick and overall there was a fair amount of flesh to eat. The taste was syrupy sweet of lemon citrus and honey with a slight funky taste on flesh directly off the seed. This was a delicious mango.

Since PPK is the parent of Lemon Zest I made sure to picture them side by side to show their similarities in coloration and shape but also an obvious difference in size. The LZ overall in every category is just MORE bigger, sweeter, lemony, creamy, viscous than the PPK. It is amazing something as good as the PPK could actually be improved, but the reality is a mango called Lemon Zest.

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-JoeP450

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on August 13, 2013, 07:40:29 AM
Here is a Pickering mango I purchased from Walter zills:


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This mango was yellow orange with some anthracnose. It was 4.5in long and weighed 449g. When I cut the mango open it revealed a nice yellow-orange flesh glistening with juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was completely fiberless, had a thick mouthfeel and was firm. In the one picture you can see how the flesh retains its shape when eating with a spoon yet the spoon glides through it like butter. There was a large amount of flesh to eat as the monoembryonic seed was thin and wide. The taste was a nice story that went like this: slight coconut nuance when first hitting the taste buds, then melting into a syrupy sweetness, and finishing with a slight bitter resinous aftertaste on flesh close to the skin. Very tasty mango and I decided to stay in the tropical mood and make myself a drink that went something like this: equal parts captain Morgan black spiced rum, vita coco pure coconut water, add ice and stir. Ahh goodnight forum.

-Joep450


Nice description.  This fruit looks like its a bit past its prime, so it was nice that you got some of the flavor nuances that Pickering can offer. Mine, at this stage of ripeness,  this year anyway,  have been somewhat washed out.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 13, 2013, 10:55:39 AM
Jc: I agree, the LZ is the best mango I have had this year, and probably the best I have ever had to date but I still have yet to try maha chanok and coconut cream and for the sake of the hardcore Aussies Kensington pride. The LZ is crazy complex agreed.

Harry: I agree the three Pickering I had were quite firm though the skin was very yellow and starting to increase in brown spots, which didn't correlate well with other photos I have see of pickerings.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 13, 2013, 11:26:48 AM
Here is a ZINC (Zill Indo-Chinese) mango from Walter zills:




(http://s14.postimg.cc/nwxdbhgf1/125424e93b63342b7448c5d8ea98770f.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nwxdbhgf1/)

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This mango was a light yellow with some tan patches and felt soft and ready to eat. It was 4.5in long and weighed 390g. When I cut the mango open it produced a yellow orange flesh glistening with mango juice adhering to the flesh. When I see that the juice is adhering to the flesh it is usually predictive of a viscous  sweetness which coats the the tastebuds and that I describe as "syrupy." The flesh was completely fiberless and had a thick savory mouth feel. There was plenty of flesh to eat as the seed husk was thin relative to the size of the mango and when I opened the husk this little cashew-like deformed seed came out so I can't tell if it is mono or poly. I'm gonna plant it just for fun and see if it will look like a normal seedling. The flavor had some syrupy honey dew notes along with the sweet tart flavor but not the tartness of the sweet tart. What I also found interesting is that the peel of ZINC, like Edward, is bitter.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 13, 2013, 11:35:11 AM
Quote
The LZ is crazy complex agreed.

I have had several great Lemon Zests this season but none of them struck me as "complex".. I found the flavor to be unbelievable PURE and sublime.

The center has a candied lemon peel taste, near the skin has an orange sherbet taste.
Absolutely nothing resinous / turpy, sour, spicy or funky.. or simultaneous interplay of multiple flavors that I would call complex. To my taste a good Haden would have a much more "complex" flavor than an LZ (but inferior quality of flavor).

Whatever the nuances or nitpicking, the LZ is a fluke of nature... a must-try masterpiece!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 13, 2013, 12:38:12 PM
Here is a sweet tart mango from Walter zills:


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I was told that the sweet tart mango is a seedling from the ZINC mango and after tasting both I can taste some resemblance in sweet flavor with the most noticeable difference being in tartness. This sweet tart mango was yellowing with green patches and had some soft give to the flesh. I ate two sweet tarts at different stages of ripeness one was overripe mostly yellow with some anthracnose and browning and the one pictured above. The overripe one tasted like it had lost much of its flavor and was hardly tart so my recommendation is to try both but in my opinion the flavor is much better with some green on the skin. This mango was 3.5in long and weighed 245g. When I cut the mango open it revealed a bright yellow orange flesh and leaked some thin juice onto the cutting board. The flesh was fiberless and juicy with a buttery feel. The seed which looked like it was polyembrionic was large relative to the small mango with just enough flesh to satisfy. The taste was at first eye wincing tart which then went really sweet. I also noticed that when I would place a piece on my tongue and let it just melt away I would get a strange aftertaste which I cannot describe as resinous or anything else I have ever tasted in a mango before. Overall I think this mango might be more of an acquired taste for most people as it is really uniquely tart, so I think definitely try one yourself before planting. Of random note I thought the peel was really thin and even thinner than my knife blade.

(http://s13.postimg.cc/dw79xk7ir/889088f25889070ddc91efa60885a70f.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/dw79xk7ir/)

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 13, 2013, 01:29:27 PM
Here is a Val-Carrie mango from Walter zills:


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Valencia Pride x Carrie = Val-Carrie, personally I think it would be a lot more interesting to spell it Valkyrie but that would imply Scandinavian ancestry lol. This mango was a a very interesting mango to eat primarily because you can see how each parent lends characteristics to the product Val-Carrie. I would say the shape, flesh color, and taste is more VP like, while the peel color, fiberless, and resin after taste are taken from Carrie. This mango was yellow with some dark black spots and felt firm with very slight give though the peel looked like it was starting to decline. It was 5.25in long and weighed 361g. Before halving the mango I cut the top cap off near the stem and a strong resinous smell was present. Next, I halved the mango which produced a light yellow orange flesh leaking a watery juice. The flesh was fiberless like a carrie with the juicy consistency of VP and even with the large monoembryonic seed there was plenty of flesh to eat. The taste was all over the place for me from which I tasted some coconut, some sweet sugar cane, and some peach. The resinous taste was not similar to Carrie, it was there and bitter, but not like the citrus-pine of Carrie.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 13, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
Great reviews, Joe! There is virtually no content on new & interesting mango cultivars on the web... Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 13, 2013, 02:30:34 PM
Joe - you are making a bit of history here - such complete mango reviews for
these Florida mangoes - astoundingly good and consistent work on your part!

It would be interesting to see how the California mangoes, using your same set of
taste buds on the same mango varieties, would compare.......????

GREAT JOB!



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on August 13, 2013, 03:37:35 PM
Joe - you are making a bit of history here - such complete mango reviews for
these Florida mangoes - astoundingly good and consistent work on your part!
It would be interesting to see how the California mangoes, using your same set of
taste buds on the same mango varieties, would compare.
......????
GREAT JOB!
Gary

I think a plane ticket and a stay over at the mangofang compound next cali mango tasting would be in order for Joe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on August 13, 2013, 03:50:03 PM
Joe - you are making a bit of history here - such complete mango reviews for
these Florida mangoes - astoundingly good and consistent work on your part!

It would be interesting to see how the California mangoes, using your same set of
taste buds on the same mango varieties, would compare.......????

GREAT JOB!



Gary

Joe reminds me of old Vin Scully narrating.....he can sure paint a picture of a mango!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 13, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
yeah.....mango play-by-play.....Batter UP!!!!!!!!!!


 8)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 13, 2013, 07:58:32 PM
Somebody should make a list that has an index and a link to each review for reference. And this thread should be stickied.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 13, 2013, 10:09:44 PM
Here is a mango called taralay (sp) from Walter zill's:


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The story behind this mango according to Verna (sp) was that this tree was planted in a community called tara estates and that a hurricane had knocked the tree over to lay on its side. The tree produced fruit and either Gary or Walter liked the fruit enough to keep it around hence the name Tara-lay. This mango had a very interesting kidney shape with a side beak on the bottom right in the picture. The coloration was tan yellow with a few green patches, some anthracnose, and felt soft and ready to eat. There was hardly any smell to the outside peel and it was 4.25in long and weighed 307g. When I cut the mango open it revealed a golden yellow flesh and gushed some thin juice. The flesh was fiberless and juicy with a slippery smooth consistency. There was an ok amount of flesh to eat and when I examined the seed I am almost certain it is a monoembryonic. The taste was mildly sweet with a fresh sugarcane flavor.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 14, 2013, 08:48:21 AM
Here is a mango called taralay (sp) from Walter zill's:


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The story behind this mango according to Verna (sp) was that this tree was planted in a community called tara estates and that a hurricane had knocked the tree over to lay on its side. The tree produced fruit and either Gary or Walter liked the fruit enough to keep it around hence the name Tara-lay. This mango had a very interesting kidney shape with a side beak on the bottom right in the picture. The coloration was tan yellow with a few green patches, some anthracnose, and felt soft and ready to eat. There was hardly any smell to the outside peel and it was 4.25in long and weighed 307g. When I cut the mango open it revealed a golden yellow flesh and gushed some thin juice. The flesh was fiberless and juicy with a slippery smooth consistency. There was an ok amount of flesh to eat and when I examined the seed I am almost certain it is a monoembryonic. The taste was mildly sweet with a fresh sugarcane flavor.

-JoeP450



Nice review!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 14, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
PlantLover is right - all of Joe's Reviews should be saved...somewhere.....
Murahlin, (or anyone)  is this something that could be done?

Joe is really extraordinary at this sort of thing!  Somehow, even though I know
it is EXTREMELY subjective, I do trust his analysis' -they just seems very reasonable
and fair....



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomanic12 on August 14, 2013, 01:14:34 PM
I completely agree with everything Gary say's along with

1.   If there is a thread / post of the year nomination so far (which i think a worthy person should win a prize)  - My vote's for Joe
2.   Joe most be a writer / author because his descriptions of the tastings and everything is for me at least addicting to read
3.   This post is the first one i click on everyday to read
4.   I want to thank Joe for all the effort it takes to post / download/ type/ respond to this thread and creating it !

My vote for Thread of the year !

P.S  -  Joe deserves at  least one  of his fav's   -  A 7 GAL OR  15 GAL  SWEET  TART TREE   to plant at his house this fall !! ;)

 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on August 14, 2013, 01:56:23 PM
PlantLover is right - all of Joe's Reviews should be saved...somewhere.....
Murahlin, (or anyone)  is this something that could be done?

Joe is really extraordinary at this sort of thing!  Somehow, even though I know
it is EXTREMELY subjective, I do trust his analysis' -they just seems very reasonable
and fair....



Gary

This guy's images and words make us crave and drool for mangos.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 14, 2013, 03:27:50 PM
I really appreciate the appreciation everyone and I must say this has been a truly delicious undertaking...lol. Actually, I am not a writer but a pharmacist, hence the measuring and weighing of mangos which i think is an expression of my analytical nature. Writing these reviews definitely has brought out a writing quality I never knew I had, a testament to how absolutely delicious some of these mangos are. As far as my reviews being subjective to taste I agree with that and I try to be as much a reporter as possible leaving out my personal bias. At the very least my goal is to provide pictures and highlight the small groups of growers who provide them: truly tropical, Walter Zill, ensey's ect. I would have never known where to procure these mangos if it wasn't for this forum. 

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on August 14, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
Joe - you are making a bit of history here - such complete mango reviews for
these Florida mangoes - astoundingly good and consistent work on your part!
It would be interesting to see how the California mangoes, using your same set of
taste buds on the same mango varieties, would compare.
......????
GREAT JOB!
Gary

I think a plane ticket and a stay over at the mangofang compound next cali mango tasting would be in order for Joe.


Harry, how about if we send Joe a box of 10 California cultivars? a lot cheaper.

Joe, I don't know if you like annonas but I would love for you to do the same thing with different cherimoya varieties.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 14, 2013, 10:49:10 PM
Here is a "Best" mango from Truly Tropical:


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The story behind this mango according to Chris at Truly Tropical is that it is a seedling from bailey's marvel and was kept around because the leaves looked interesting and when other people tasted it among other mango seedlings they liked it "best". This mango is a a distant relative to the Haden and sports a similar coloration. This mango was half tanned yellow and half red blush with some brown spots and felt soft with some give. Hardly noticeable in the picture but on the scale you can see a "double-beak" at the bottom. This mango was 4.25in long and weighed 537g. When I cut the mango open it produced a butterscotch colored flesh and leaked some thin juice. The flesh was similar in texture to Haden: juicy, slightly bristly texture on flesh near the seed but the most significant difference was that this "best" mango had zero fiber throughout the flesh and was easily enjoyed with a spoon. There was plenty of flesh to eat as the monoembryonic seed was proportionally small to the mango. The taste was sweet and juicy with taste of (peach/maraschino cherry/amaretto) combination no tangy-ness, a very tropical sense indeed. Personally, I liked this "best" of Haden and bailey's marvel.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 14, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
JF I'm down for sampling some Cali mangos and we can hash out the details through private messaging, as for cherimoyas I've never even had one in my life but I can try it and see what happens. I think I recall Jeff Hagen raving about them before as like his favorite or something close, which for Jeff to say that...is huge. I've had sugar apple which isn't bad, I'm growing a two year old seedling but I find the drawback to be there are so many seeds, but overall from reports cherimoya > sugar apple.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ScottR on August 14, 2013, 11:00:30 PM
Damm JoeP, you made me drool all over the top of my desk!! ;) 8) JoeP, you got it going on!!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on August 14, 2013, 11:08:11 PM
JF I'm down for sampling some Cali mangos and we can hash out the details through private messaging, as for cherimoyas I've never even had one in my life but I can try it and see what happens. I think I recall Jeff Hagen raving about them before as like his favorite or something close, which for Jeff to say that...is huge. I've had sugar apple which isn't bad, I'm growing a two year old seedling but I find the drawback to be there are so many seeds, but overall from reports cherimoya > sugar apple.

-JoeP450
JP, if you like the complexities of mangos you will be blown away by cherimoyas. I will make arrangements with you via email. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on August 14, 2013, 11:23:40 PM
JoeP450---
Thanks for all the mango reviews. I have not seen you review one that you just don't like. All these mango varieties are well and good but many arrive (are ripe) at the same time. Are all your reviews done the day you eat them? If not you should give the date eaten so people will get an idea when they can expect fruit from a particular variety. When a mango variety is ripe is important to those who want to extend the mango season. Extending the season is as important as all the different varieties.

I have tried to do this with my own trees so I have late season well covered with Keitt, Neelam. Gold Nugget. Early season I did not do as good a job. I have Glenn and Florigon (small one)

Truly Tropical blog by a Delray Beach mango orchard (http://delraymango.blogspot.com/p/truly-tropical-fruit-and-fruit-trees.html) is also a good guide to when a mango variety is edible, the owner posts what mangoes are ripe for sale each week
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 14, 2013, 11:57:35 PM
Here is a mallika mango from Truly Tropical:


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Here is the mallika mango, an indian selection said to be the product of dusheri x Neelam.  My wife's sister was over last night and having hardly any experience with mangos I think it's safe to say I pulled a Chris Angel "mind freak." After she tried this she described it as like "candy", "delicious" and went on to update her Facebook about it. I always get a kick out of when people first taste a good mango and can appreciate it. Now she understands why there is an entire table covered with mangos off to the side in my living room because there simply isn't enough counter space! ; )

It is said that the mallika must be picked green and allowed to ripen for a while before it is optimum. I have no clue when this mallika was picked but I had two back to back and they were the perfect flavor I remember and what caused me to buy a tree 2 years ago (which sadly died to neglect and bad transplanting). Early this season I had a mallika that was small and almost fully scabbed and tasted like a vegetable. I also had another one that was a little bit larger with some scab but tasted sweet and tangy. My theory is that if you keep trying you will eventually hit the deep flavor of optimum mallika. This variation all may be due to improperly harvesting.

This mango was a tanned yellow with some slight green patches and anthracnose and felt soft and ready to eat. This mango was 5.25in long and weighed 437g. When I cut the mango open it produced a deep orange flesh and leaked a small amount of juice while the majority remained adhering to the flesh. The texture of the flesh is completely fiberless, soft and creamy. There was plenty of flesh to eat around the monoembryonic seed. The taste is very sweet and richly flavored with notes of ripe cantaloupe/syrupy honey and an occasional tart kick. This is the type of rich flavor I expect in a mango with deep orange flesh and it is absolutely a must try mango.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 15, 2013, 12:22:40 AM
Zands: my process to reviewing the mangos starts at the grove with the haul. Next mangos are brought to a separate table off to the side in my living room where every mango is at differing stages of ripeness due solely to when they were picked by the seller. Since I buy in bulk, many mangos will ripen simultaneously and I may eat up to 5 mangos in a day some in am before my 8-8 work shift and then at night afterward. I use note pad on my ipad to take notes of measurements, taste, texture, pics ect as I eat the mangos. When I write the review it takes time, and after a 12hr day standing on my feet I can only write so many in a night so a review is most of the time done next day but sometimes same day like on my days off. The issue with dating mangos of their ripeness and listing their early, mid, and late season is problematic because A) I do not grow every cultivar and lack first hand knowledge of exact season,  B) this year with the multi blooming phenomenon every grove owner will tell you all their varieties have been extended much later than usual and this is not normal.

As for mangos I didn't like, maybe I wasn't blunt enough in my description of the banana mango from ensey's or the wise mango from Excalibur and I didn't care for the eye wincing of sweet tart or the taste of royal purple. I am really waiting till the end of season to decide on my favorites and least for now.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on August 15, 2013, 03:09:57 AM
Joe, your mango reviews and photos of cultivars are really great! I wonder if there is a way to insert a link to them in the ultimate mango list? You could maybe insert the link to the particular post to each mango cultivar? It seems to me that they would add a lot of good information to the list and a very easy way to access the information and photos.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Luisport on August 15, 2013, 08:19:30 AM
I just try a new one to me. Palmer mango, very good taste!
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 15, 2013, 12:37:53 PM
I have had some really good Palmers, but like Keitt, there seems to be so much variation in quality from jelly seeds hell, to heavenly delight. 

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on August 15, 2013, 04:31:24 PM
Zands: my process to reviewing the mangos starts at the grove with the haul. Next mangos are brought to a separate table off to the side in my living room where every mango is at differing stages of ripeness due solely to when they were picked by the seller. Since I buy in bulk, many mangos will ripen simultaneously and I may eat up to 5 mangos in a day some in am before my 8-8 work shift and then at night afterward. I use note pad on my ipad to take notes of measurements, taste, texture, pics ect as I eat the mangos. When I write the review it takes time, and after a 12hr day standing on my feet I can only write so many in a night so a review is most of the time done next day but sometimes same day like on my days off. The issue with dating mangos of their ripeness and listing their early, mid, and late season is problematic because A) I do not grow every cultivar and lack first hand knowledge of exact season,  B) this year with the multi blooming phenomenon every grove owner will tell you all their varieties have been extended much later than usual and this is not normal.

As for mangos I didn't like, maybe I wasn't blunt enough in my description of the banana mango from ensey's or the wise mango from Excalibur and I didn't care for the eye wincing of sweet tart or the taste of royal purple. I am really waiting till the end of season to decide on my favorites and least for now.

-JoeP450

You are saying you post your mango reviews within a few days. That is more than good enough.
True, this year is off due to multi-blooming but still the day you ate it is very helpful and you are doing this.

That banana mango looked great. It should be widely planted to lure mango thieves away from the good ones.

Thanks for all the reviews!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 15, 2013, 05:01:06 PM
 The sweet tart mangos that I tasted were neither bland/overripe nor too tart.   I'm pretty sensitive to tartness; even the occasional Keitt is almost too tart for me.   And some Pineapple Pleasures are too.
So, Joe, I hope you'll have another go.


Here is a sweet tart mango from Walter zills:



I was told that the sweet tart mango is a seedling from the ZINC mango and after tasting both I can taste some resemblance in sweet flavor with the most noticeable difference being in tartness. This sweet tart mango was yellowing with green patches and had some soft give to the flesh. I ate two sweet tarts at different stages of ripeness one was overripe mostly yellow with some anthracnose and browning and the one pictured above. The overripe one tasted like it had lost much of its flavor and was hardly tart so my recommendation is to try both but in my opinion the flavor is much better with some green on the skin. This mango was 3.5in long and weighed 245g. When I cut the mango open it revealed a bright yellow orange flesh and leaked some thin juice onto the cutting board. The flesh was fiberless and juicy with a buttery feel. The seed which looked like it was polyembrionic was large relative to the small mango with just enough flesh to satisfy. The taste was at first eye wincing tart which then went really sweet. I also noticed that when I would place a piece on my tongue and let it just melt away I would get a strange aftertaste which I cannot describe as resinous or anything else I have ever tasted in a mango before. Overall I think this mango might be more of an acquired taste for most people as it is really uniquely tart, so I think definitely try one yourself before planting. Of random note I thought the peel was really thin and even thinner than my knife blade.

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-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 15, 2013, 07:02:59 PM
I've had a couple of sweet tarts that were very sour, but the majority have been absolutely incredible -- very (very) sweet with a hint of tart and a really exciting indo-chinese (cola syrup) flavor with a firm flesh.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 15, 2013, 08:28:50 PM
The sweet tart is a unique mango, and the flavor you refer to as cola is the closest think I would compare it to Jeff. I give it few more rounds mangomandan.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 15, 2013, 10:52:20 PM
Here is a Graham mango from truly tropical:


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(http://s16.postimg.cc/79y2osh41/0ee616d864623f57498fda58eba739a5.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/79y2osh41/)

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(http://s16.postimg.cc/gj08ywq01/b143c7db87ec4fcf84cc230520feefbb.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/gj08ywq01/)

This Graham mango is said to have originated from Trinidad. It is large and lumpy in shape and was yellowing olive green and felt ripe. It weighed 600g and was 5in long. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright orange flesh with some thin juice. There was a very large amount of edible flesh surrounding the monoembryonic seed. The flesh was soft, fiberless, juicy and had a unique porous graining in the flesh which I tried to capture in the first photo. The taste was very interesting and I had fun eating this because of its large size I was able to eat different "sections" of this mango and get different tastes. The flesh directly on the seed to about an 1.5 inches off surounding the seed is mildly sweet mango flavor with an occasional tangy taste, not too exciting. Then the majority of flesh that surrounds the previous section to about 1cm below the peel, was sweeter flavor with a slight herbal essence, more interesting. Then the best and most delicious part was the 1cm of flesh directly on the peel which was very sweet and resinous, absolutely delish. I basically halved this mango and ate it from the inside out with a spoon and that is how I was able to see the changes in flavor from the different "sections". Next time you get your hands on a graham mango try eating it this way and see if you can taste the different sections.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 15, 2013, 11:25:41 PM
Here is an Alphonse mango from truly tropical:


(http://s9.postimg.cc/ebmolbc97/1add2c276bebba7d1f950b3e9f246d83.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ebmolbc97/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/i6q2nvvez/2f49d705714854e0f353adf58c724431.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i6q2nvvez/)

(http://s9.postimg.cc/sjcd9yoy3/07971fab63c6de599898e463ed2c74c5.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/sjcd9yoy3/)

This is a very popular Indian cultivar. This mango was turning orange with some slight green and anthracnose. The very top was starting to rot so I had to eat this mango now. It weighed 309g and was 3.5in long, a bit on the smaller side compared to other mangos. When I cut the mango open it produced a flat orange flesh with a small amount of thin juice. The seed was monoembryonic and thick relative to the amount of edible flesh. The flesh was completely fiberless and was thick, savory and smooth. The taste was mildly sweet mango flavor with some subtle resin throughout the flesh. This is a great all around mango for as much as flavor and texture and a reason for its popularity in India.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 16, 2013, 12:03:11 AM
Here is a dot mango from truly tropical:


(http://s22.postimg.cc/j4dwdh4n1/8cd8ec42752b45527630bd40d39c0435.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j4dwdh4n1/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/8t1jktcxp/9582ebf848527d8e90b062ea579d04d7.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8t1jktcxp/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/jelewtj99/ece913e89b574d6ed6deda3abf1d467b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jelewtj99/)

(http://s22.postimg.cc/d4uqnk98d/f2e7e052250a567769d2ea93d694c26f.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d4uqnk98d/)

I picked up two dot mangos from truly tropical on August 8th and gave one to my brother and kept one for this review. I ate mine about 5 days later which on that day my brother calls me exclaiming " I just ate the dot, it is stinkin delicious, even better than nam doc!" He loves nam doc mai like crazy. This mango was a yellow orange with some anthracnose marks. The shape and skin color somewhat reminds me of canistel, and this mango also had a double-beak on the bottom left in the pic on the scale. It weighed 356g and was 3.5in long. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright orange flesh with some syrupy juice adhering to the flesh. The monoembryonic seed was large relative to the amount of edible flesh as this was a smaller sized mango. The flesh texture was thick, savory, and creamy; it was fiberless for the most part with an occasional long string of fiber on the base of the peel. The flavor was delicious, very sweet of rich mango flavor with syrupy honey sweetness. I actually ate this mango too fast and since it is a small mango ran out of flesh before I realized I needed to gather more of a taste description....oops. This dot mango was in my top 10 mangos this season and has been added to my grow list. A must try mango in my opinion.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on August 16, 2013, 12:33:46 AM
Hey Joe, thanks for all your great reviews, this is one of my favorite threads! Speaking of top 10 mangoes, what are your top 10 that you have tasted do far? Also, we seriously need to have you analyze the different Lychee varieties😁Thanks in advance and keep up with the great reviews!
Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 16, 2013, 01:01:39 PM
Filling in at this pharmacy for some extra dough and look what I found on the shelf:

(http://s24.postimg.cc/4oz0ptd29/ae3ba3a9ee48a967f12208eef3a2bd8b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4oz0ptd29/)

Took a whiff of this and dannng talk about resinous lol


Simon_grow: my number one fav mango right now is lemon zest, mangos 2-10 in no particular order would be ivory, ice cream, Carrie, "OKPT" from Excalibur (still need to figure out this exact name), xoai cat hoa loc, hindi Benasara, dot, mallika, cannonball. Obliviously PPK is awesome but the LZ is better and would be duplicating the flavor. Also the Ensey Tyler mango though fibrous has very good flavor and I randomly get cavings for its orange soda flavor, ensey sunset, and cushman are very good and would be runners up if I had a top 13 haha, plus I havnt had coco cream yet or maha chanok and 100's of other mangos so my dream team grow list will change over time. I think in general most mangos taste good but to find a mango with good flavor AND fiberless creamy texture is what I appreciate as my favorite mangos.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on August 16, 2013, 01:28:51 PM
Thanks for these detailed reviews.  I knew not the longer description of ZILL mango.  Now all I need is another ticket to Florida to enjoy these late mangoes.....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 17, 2013, 12:27:05 AM
I hope you have time to review the xoai cat hoa, its one of the varieties I was thinking of adding to my collection, but was waiting to get more feedback on it from members, if you have it in your top list, that is a good sign.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 17, 2013, 12:16:38 PM
Hey tropic dude I did review the xoai cat hoa loc and is on pg 2 of this thread. It's a large mango with sweet flavor and it very very aromatic. I did a google translate and pronunciation on xoai cat hoa loc and it is Vietnamese meaning "mango flower buds" not sure if this was named because it had unique flower buds on the tree or because of how aromatic the mango is, but one of my favorites.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 17, 2013, 02:12:04 PM
Here is a honey kiss mango i ate today from Walter zills:


(http://s10.postimg.cc/4bk8wvyr9/7a538cd484013b2280382d267a465c03.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4bk8wvyr9/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/8urw4nr91/11d0c69af8bff1192319e653b83d5768.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/8urw4nr91/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/3xiwxaenp/24cb78120e00bfce66b9d2c98096e711.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3xiwxaenp/)

(http://s10.postimg.cc/x2h2my4l1/5250921aa04312921d7e85b871f93d55.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x2h2my4l1/)

This mango I have no information on and eventually I'll call over to get some more info on it. This mango was a yellowing green with a small amount of light red blush at the top and felt soft and ready to eat. It was 3.5in long and weighed 238g. When I cut the top off it revealed a pale orange flesh with very little juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was firm and fiberless with a few long strings noticeable on flesh direct on the peel. There was not a large amount of flesh to eat as this was a smaller sized mango with a big (what seems to be) polyembrionic seed. The taste was mildly sweet and slightly tangy with a peachy nuance and no resinous taste.

-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 17, 2013, 03:09:09 PM
Here is an Edgar mango from Walter zills:


(http://s14.postimg.cc/7anrcaiy5/599bd4c0d156f04d760929812855229b.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7anrcaiy5/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/muv52tt2l/4390c876b2298e4ce2299320a3434e83.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/muv52tt2l/)

(http://s14.postimg.cc/ix7vdf699/ac8f84e8153546870670a6d8f3516126.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ix7vdf699/)

Edward x Gary = Edgar. This mango was mostly yellow with some olive green towards the bottom and starting to brown on top. This mango was 4in long and weighed 355g. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright yellow-orange flesh and leaked some thin juice. The flesh was fiberless soft and juicy. There was an alright amount of flesh to eat that surrounded a monoembryonic seed. The taste was like canned peaches with an added tangy finish and a resinous taste near the peel.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: natsgarden123 on August 17, 2013, 03:52:20 PM
I havent seen anyone mention Mulgoba

Squam has been picking from a very old tree and the taste of Mulgoba is....incredible
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 17, 2013, 03:54:51 PM
I havent seen anyone mention Mulgoba

Squam has been picking from a very old tree and the taste of Mulgoba is....incredible

That's What i was waiting for someone to say!!!

I knew my cousins aren't nuts. there has to be some reason my grandparents paid 10 times the normal cost for these mangoes 25-30 years ago, planted the seed, and put up ith it for 15 years until it fruited!!!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on August 17, 2013, 08:10:22 PM
I havent seen anyone mention Mulgoba

Squam has been picking from a very old tree and the taste of Mulgoba is....incredible


Actually, I reviewed it here: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6365.msg86319#msg86319 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6365.msg86319#msg86319)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on August 17, 2013, 08:42:57 PM
I don't have a JoeP quality description of the Mulgoba, but I have had several of them this year and they are terrific!  The Florida Mulgoba.  I understand that the Indian version may be different than the one we have come to call Mulgoba in Florida.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on August 17, 2013, 08:48:54 PM
Hey tropic dude I did review the xoai cat hoa loc and is on pg 2 of this thread. It's a large mango with sweet flavor and it very very aromatic. I did a google translate and pronunciation on xoai cat hoa loc and it is Vietnamese meaning "mango flower buds" not sure if this was named because it had unique flower buds on the tree or because of how aromatic the mango is, but one of my favorites.

-JoeP450

Wow thanks, I must have missed it the first time around because I did not see a picture associated with the review.

sounds like a really good one to have.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 18, 2013, 10:17:54 AM
Below are a Cushman, from TT, and a Spirit of '76, from an undisclosed location.

The Spirit came from a young tree. It was a bit spongy when squeezed, usually a scary sign.  Still it was very tasty, sweet and nicely sub-acid. Flesh was dense and fiberless.  I suspect it was a bit more tart than typical for this cultivar. But it was my first taste ever, and I'm very grateful to my anonymous source. It's kind of similar to Kent, and I'm glad I have a baby Spirit in my collection.

(http://s15.postimg.cc/6snx22vd3/Cushman_and_Spirit_76_Medium.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6snx22vd3/)


(http://s23.postimg.cc/emntohemv/open_for_business_Medium.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/emntohemv/)

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 18, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
....and the Cushman, MadMangoDan?

 ;D

...analysis please....



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: natsgarden123 on August 18, 2013, 03:35:22 PM
I havent seen anyone mention Mulgoba

Squam has been picking from a very old tree and the taste of Mulgoba is....incredible


Actually, I reviewed it here: [url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6365.msg86319#msg86319[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6365.msg86319#msg86319[/url])


You must have had a bad fruit or something because the Mulgoba I ate yesterday was very sweet and juicy-it was fabulous. I would plant a tree but  its a poor producer and it's supposed to be disease prone- The Mulgoba tree I saw ( on the orchard where Squam gets his fruit) was very big and it gives no fruit most years, according to Squam. This year the tree gave relatively few fruit. 
Squam may have some more fruit so if you can one, its well worth it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 18, 2013, 04:26:34 PM
That would be mulgoba. It is a poor bearer, which is why it is not commercially grown. The lack of disease resistance may explain the sudden death of my grandparents mulgoba seedling a few years ago (before i know what budwood was and know about grafting, i was like 8) which allegedly gave the best mangoes they had ever tasted in their life  :( :'( >:( (i never got to taste them.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ) I plan to bring back budwood from the seedling of that seedling tree and graft it here.

Any clue where "squam" got his tree? If it is commercially available, i would like to know where to get one.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 18, 2013, 04:31:06 PM
Also, i can easily explain the lack of quality in mulgoba here. It is an indian mango grown in florida. In india, there is a saying. The drier the year, the better the mangoes. I don't think florida qualifies as "dry"
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on August 18, 2013, 05:44:31 PM
That would be mulgoba. It is a poor bearer, which is why it is not commercially grown. The lack of disease resistance may explain the sudden death of my grandparents mulgoba seedling a few years ago (before i know what budwood was and know about grafting, i was like 8) which allegedly gave the best mangoes they had ever tasted in their life  :( :'( >:( (i never got to taste them.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ) I plan to bring back budwood from the seedling of that seedling tree and graft it here.

Any clue where "squam" got his tree? If it is commercially available, i would like to know where to get one.

The tree was planted many decades ago on a property in West Palm Beach. Nobody propagates it commercially unfortunately. There are a number of examples left though where budwood could be obtained.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DuncanYoung on August 18, 2013, 07:46:34 PM
I also have tasted fruit from Squam's Mulgoba tree and agree that this is a great tasting mango! 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 18, 2013, 09:14:29 PM
I also have tasted fruit from Squam's Mulgoba tree and agree that this is a great tasting mango!

Good to know.
That would be mulgoba. It is a poor bearer, which is why it is not commercially grown. The lack of disease resistance may explain the sudden death of my grandparents mulgoba seedling a few years ago (before i know what budwood was and know about grafting, i was like 8) which allegedly gave the best mangoes they had ever tasted in their life  :( :'( >:( (i never got to taste them.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ) I plan to bring back budwood from the seedling of that seedling tree and graft it here.

Any clue where "squam" got his tree? If it is commercially available, i would like to know where to get one.

The tree was planted many decades ago on a property in West Palm Beach. Nobody propagates it commercially unfortunately. There are a number of examples left though where budwood could be obtained.

It's nice to think that there are sources for budwood left. Most of the mulgoba trees in India are being replaced due to low productivity. I think i'll try to get my hand on budwood at some point in the future, when i have somewhere to plant it  :) ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 19, 2013, 12:11:01 PM
Gary, I think I'll leave the Cushman to those like Joe with a more refined tasting vocabulary.

I think it's a fine mango, with some coconut taste at times.   And for whatever reason I'm attracted to the coloration of the flesh when you cut off a big slice.  Kind of a tree-ring of darker orange color near the skin.

I'd be interested in how others would describe the texture of Cushman, versus some mangos that are more (smooth,silky,slimy, glossy).  I like both sorts of texture.



....and the Cushman, MadMangoDan?

 ;D

...analysis please....



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomanic12 on August 19, 2013, 01:33:10 PM
@ Squam  thanks for selling me your delicious mangoes and making time  to see me coming from Arizona. All the mangoes i got from you have been eaten and i have  potted up 18 seeds yesterday.
The Madame  corn is certainly an ugly thing  with little flesh to seed  - but wow it certainly is flavorful . I was a little too rough with the poly seed and it broke :-\
 I got a small Mulgoba from you b4 and it was awesome tasting. I also very much enjoyed the Wester cultivar and one of my fav's the "BEST" mango from truly tropical it's a big, colorful, has to me an overabundance of flesh to seed ratio . i can eat the large bottom portion with a spoon. Loved it . Alex's Edwards were bountiful and delicious as usual.

Anyway Alex so grateful you offer these for your customers especially the crazy people  :-[   :P :-[ that travel all the way from the desert to see you and chris @ TT for these exotic mangoes.

Thanks again you have a customer for life( eeerrrr.... as long as my wife works for the airlines) ;D
 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 19, 2013, 02:02:10 PM
JoeP - would you hate me if I asked if there is any way you could add the American weight value to your
mango analysis'? (pounds/ounces)

Like 335g (12.5 oz)

if it's too much trouble then don't bother and I'll do the translation....

thanks, Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 19, 2013, 09:14:36 PM
Fang: the scale I use will switch from grams to pounds with the press of a button so going forward ill post in both units. I'm also getting a gopro camera very soon so I have some exciting plans for the future reviews alas I think I am out of mangos for this season.


-JoeP450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on August 19, 2013, 09:25:37 PM
there is always next year!!

And the year after that!

and after that....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 20, 2013, 12:28:24 AM
thanks, Joe - you are obviously a mango scholar AND
a gentleman!



Dogs4Mangoes
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 21, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
It's time to apologize to Cookie Monster.  I secretly thought you were exaggerating about the glory of Lemon Zest.  The ones I tasted in May were good but not--as my people say--fabulous.

The last few days I've eaten them again. They were fully ripe, had been stored in the fridge a few days. But even with those possible drawbacks......Damn, they were so good I suspect they are illegal in several southern states.  ;D

Actually the same thing happened with a Honey Kiss mango.  The one I ate a few days ago was so much better than those I ate earlier in the year.

Does the heat of August bring out the best in mangos?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on August 21, 2013, 11:25:41 PM
Thanks for reviewing the 'Alphonse' ('Alphonso?') mango. In my opinion, this is a world famous mango. I've always wanted to taste one, so I have one growing in my yard.
At the beginning, my Alphonso tree was growing very slowly. But now, after four years, it's growing quite quickly. I guess it has finally become established at its location.
I was sorry to learn in your review, that it seems to be susceptible to anthracnose, and that its seed is thick. But, since I've waited this long, I'll see it through, until I'm satisfied/familiar with its behavior in South Florida (reliable production, etc.). And then, I'll do a re-evaluation of it.

I was surprised to learn in your review of the 'Edgar' mango, that it's a cross between the 'Edward' and 'Gary' mango. 'Edward' is the standard bearer and the one to beat, as far as quality is concerned. It needs to be crossed with some other mango cultivar, so that the resulting crossed variety has the quality of the 'Edward' but with much better (reliable) productivity.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 22, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
HAHAHAHAH May is very early for the Lemon Zest, which is a July / Aug producer. I do find that oftentimes the first 5 or 10% of the harvest on a mango tree is bland. But I am a little surprised that the lemon zest (which is normally very strongly flavored) has that issue. It was a really odd year though, with mango mangos bearing a full month or two early.

I'm glad that you converted :-).

It's time to apologize to Cookie Monster.  I secretly thought you were exaggerating about the glory of Lemon Zest.  The ones I tasted in May were good but not--as my people say--fabulous.

The last few days I've eaten them again. They were fully ripe, had been stored in the fridge a few days. But even with those possible drawbacks......Damn, they were so good I suspect they are illegal in several southern states.  ;D

Actually the same thing happened with a Honey Kiss mango.  The one I ate a few days ago was so much better than those I ate earlier in the year.

Does the heat of August bring out the best in mangos?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 26, 2013, 12:51:56 PM
An update from the Tess mango review I did much earlier in this thread. It seems the seed which is turpentine x Carrie is monoembryonic:


(http://s18.postimg.cc/3u78wlog5/F56_F6_F24_B641_42_F6_B05_A_9_E363_D85555_C_6210_0000076_CD3060192.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3u78wlog5/)

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on September 01, 2013, 09:27:16 AM
Brief reviews of a couple mangos I recently tasted:

Cultivar 40-33, eaten fully ripe, was very sweet and juicy,  with some coconut taste. It was virtually fiberless, and had a pleasant full-flavored lingering aftertaste.  A couple of the bites from near the skin did have a slightly unpleasant (to me) taste that I associate with Graham mangos. But that was not a deal-breaker.

(http://s10.postimg.cc/thxf17e4l/40_33_mango_Medium.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/thxf17e4l/)

Cultivar Crystal was very good, low fiber, kind of meaty. If this has good production values, it would be a fine choice for those who don't like the garish coloring of Keitt.


(http://s15.postimg.cc/isab7nmt3/Crystal_Medium.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/isab7nmt3/)

I would rate both mangos as Pretty Darn Good (PDG). By that I mean that if either mango was the only one available to me I could still go on to lead a reasonably full life.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on September 01, 2013, 11:52:10 PM
Thanks Dan for the PDG rating!
It's the layman's langueage......


Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on September 02, 2013, 12:42:21 AM
Dan nice update, both mangos look very interesting and glad you liked them. Where did you get them from ? I'll have to keep them on my radar.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on September 02, 2013, 01:17:16 AM
hahaha I'm really glad that both of you got to try the carrie at its flavor peak. You'll talk to a number of people who say that they don't like the carrie, yet I'd be willing to bet that they simply haven't had the carrie at the proper stage of ripeness. The carrie can go from excellent to gross in just a couple of days (although some folks, like my dear wife, enjoy it best at the 'gross' stage :-).Report to moderator (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=6398.63;msg=86042)                          (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/Themes/freshlooks/images/ip.gif)Logged (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=helpadmin;help=see_member_ip)Jeff  :-) (http://inversephase.bandcamp.com/track/super-mockio-brothers)  lol.  My wife and I tried our first carrie from excalibur earlier this summer.  I had heard so many good things.  Boy, were we surprised at how tart the two we tried were.  Not a complex flavor, just tart.  We must've had them too early or something.  Now i have to try one ripe so i can see if i should put it back on the wish list.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: alnpat on September 15, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
Just wanted to chime in and let you guys know that Ensey Tropical Fruit stand still have mangoes for sale. I tried my first Merritt Island mangoes today and was very impressed. The mangoes that I purchased are still hard and I will patiently wait for them to fully ripen. The guys at the stand were nice enough to let me sample some of the varieties that were ripe when the crowd thinned out. The Kent and Keitt where sweet, juicy, pungent and delicious. I never tried the Brooks or the Royal Purple before and I always like trying different varieties. The Royal purple really tasted like grape candy to me. The Brooks had a mild citrus flavor that was good but only average compared to the other mangoes I have sampled. I am very grateful for the kindness and information provided by the guys (should have gotten their names) at the fruit stand. I will definitely be going back again this season and in years to come. Bravo to the Merritt Island mango growers.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on September 15, 2013, 08:05:31 PM
hahaha I'm really glad that both of you got to try the carrie at its flavor peak. You'll talk to a number of people who say that they don't like the carrie, yet I'd be willing to bet that they simply haven't had the carrie at the proper stage of ripeness. The carrie can go from excellent to gross in just a couple of days (although some folks, like my dear wife, enjoy it best at the 'gross' stage :-).Report to moderator ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=6398.63;msg=86042[/url])                          ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/Themes/freshlooks/images/ip.gif[/url])Logged ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?action=helpadmin;help=see_member_ip[/url])Jeff  :-) ([url]http://inversephase.bandcamp.com/track/super-mockio-brothers[/url])  lol. My wife and I tried our first carrie from excalibur earlier this summer.  I had heard so many good things.  Boy, were we surprised at how tart the two we tried were.  Not a complex flavor, just tart.  We must've had them too early or something.  Now i have to try one ripe so i can see if i should put it back on the wish list.


Umm, got somethin funny goin on there...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on September 15, 2013, 09:44:08 PM
Looks like he cut and pasted trying to quote Jeff....rather than using the "quote function."  Then he even copied the Report to Moderator portion that appears in each post form.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: plantlover13 on September 16, 2013, 06:46:07 AM
Looks like he cut and pasted trying to quote Jeff....rather than using the "quote function."  Then he even copied the Report to Moderator portion that appears in each post form.

yep, probrably.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoMan2 on September 16, 2013, 12:10:42 PM
Just wanted to chime in and let you guys know that Ensey Tropical Fruit stand still have mangoes for sale. I tried my first Merritt Island mangoes today and was very impressed. The mangoes that I purchased are still hard and I will patiently wait for them to fully ripen. The guys at the stand were nice enough to let me sample some of the varieties that were ripe when the crowd thinned out. The Kent and Keitt where sweet, juicy, pungent and delicious. I never tried the Brooks or the Royal Purple before and I always like trying different varieties. The Royal purple really tasted like grape candy to me. The Brooks had a mild citrus flavor that was good but only average compared to the other mangoes I have sampled. I am very grateful for the kindness and information provided by the guys (should have gotten their names) at the fruit stand. I will definitely be going back again this season and in years to come. Bravo to the Merritt Island mango growers.

Their names are Jeff, and Mike.

And yes, now is the time to get a Royal Purple Mango. They always taste best late in the season. The Maha Chinnocks are almost ready also.

Thanks, Joe.

P.S. the season is coming to a end soon. The stand will only be open on the weekends from 10am-2pm. Call Angie for special orders.321-205-3122
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: alnpat on September 16, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
Thanks MangoMan2 for the info. I like to give credit to whom and where it is due (Thank you Jeff and Mike). Jeff stated that the Royal Purples are finishing up, but there are other varieties that are finishing later than usual due to the odd late flowering season. If anyone is in the area, defiantly worth calling and checking out what they have left. I'm posting a image of their variety list with descriptions and finishing times. Thanks again

(http://s22.postimg.cc/xb817l5j1/Merritt_Island_Variety_List.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/xb817l5j1/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on September 16, 2013, 04:54:54 PM
Thanks MangoMan2 for the info. I like to give credit to whom and where it is due (Thank you Jeff and Mike). Jeff stated that the Royal Purples are finishing up, but there are other varieties that are finishing later than usual due to the odd late flowering season. If anyone is in the area, defiantly worth calling and checking out what they have left. I'm posting a image of their variety list with descriptions and finishing times. Thanks again

([url]http://s22.postimg.cc/xb817l5j1/Merritt_Island_Variety_List.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/xb817l5j1/[/url])


Thanks posting the Ensey list.  I haven't seen it before.  Of note is that of all the culitvars, only Brooks regularly carries fruit into September.  Thirteen other varieties apparently carry fruit regularly into August.  On the trees with the later than usual fruits do you know if this was a secondary bloom or just a late bloom?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: alnpat on September 16, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
I believe I remember Jeff stating that many trees are on their third bloom, but I do not know which varieties they are. It seems there are many growers seeing an extremely odd season, but it sure is nice having it extended.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on September 18, 2013, 12:21:05 AM
We're already in the middle of September, it'll be very interesting to see who has the last ripe mango of the year, and what variety.

I know, I know, the last ripe mango of the year will be a 'Keitt,' unless a 'Miracle' ('Chok-Anon') mango produces off season fruit from November to Nanuary.

But, who knows, there may be a new seedling mango tree in someone's backyard that will produce the last quality fruit of the year. Or, maybe, say in February, now that would make the news.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on September 18, 2013, 08:25:01 AM
We're already in the middle of September, it'll be very interesting to see who has the last ripe mango of the year, and what variety.

I know, I know, the last ripe mango of the year will be a 'Keitt,' unless a 'Miracle' ('Chok-Anon') mango produces off season fruit from November to Nanuary.

But, who knows, there may be a new seedling mango tree in someone's backyard that will produce the last quality fruit of the year. Or, maybe, say in February, now that would make the news.

FYI.....while I haven't done it, my understanding is that Rosigold can produce fruit in February.  But those would be considered early and not late.....or I guess it semantics and depends on your perspective.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on September 19, 2013, 12:37:35 AM
With all due respect Harry, you are a genius in your observation. Thank you for reminding me that I also considered it possible that the 'Rosigold' could produce ripe fruit in February.
I thus find it worthy to appropriate/concentrate my efforts in learning about how to induce the 'Rosigold' mango cultivar to produce ripe fruit as early as February.

Harry, you and may I say, myself also, have single handedly figured out how to solve the 'South Florida Winter Mango Void.'

Where I'm at, Zone 10b, Miami, FL, USA, the months of the year where I have no mangos are December, January and February.

How the 'S.FL Winter Mango Void' could be solved/filled:

The 'Keitt' mango produces ripe fruit into November, maybe it could be induced to produce ripe fruit into late November, or even early December.
If we could find a way to induce 'Miracle' (Chok-Anon) mango to consistently produce fruit from ...................December to January, and
If we could induce 'Rosigold' to produce ripe fruit in ................................................................................February., then
My 'Rosigold' mango has been consistently fruiting in the first few days of .................................................March, and then there you have it, Mango 24/7.

I know that there are a lot of 'Ifs,' and that more work may need to be done in order to accomplish this, like inducing the 'cultivars' as mentioned. Or, crossing 'Rosigold' and/or 'Miracle,' with each other or to other varieties, to get the desired results. But, if I may say so, I can already see the light at the end of the tunnel.

We're very close to having mango for all the twelve months of the year, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Again, good work/observation, thanks.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on September 19, 2013, 02:50:12 AM
With all due respect Harry, you are a genius in your observation. Thank you for reminding me that I also considered it possible that the 'Rosigold' could produce ripe fruit in February.
I thus find it worthy to appropriate/concentrate my efforts in learning about how to induce the 'Rosigold' mango cultivar to produce ripe fruit as early as February.

Harry, you and may I say, myself also, have single handedly figured out how to solve the 'South Florida Winter Mango Void.'

Where I'm at, Zone 10b, Miami, FL, USA, the months of the year that I have no mangos are December, January and February.

How the 'S.FL Winter Mango Void' could be solved/filled:

The 'Keitt' mango produces ripe fruit into November, maybe it could be induced to produce ripe fruit into late November, or even early December.
If we could find a way to induce 'Miracle' (Chok-Anon) mango to consistently produce fruit from ...................December to January, and
If we could induce 'Rosigold' to produce ripe fruit in ................................................................................February., then
My 'Rosigold' mango has been consistently fruiting in the first few days of .................................................March, and then there you have it, Mango 24/7.

I know that there are a lot of 'Ifs,' and that more work may need to be done in order to accomplish this, like inducing the 'cultivars' as mentioned. Or, crossing 'Rosigold' and/or 'Miracle,' with each other or to other varieties, to get the desired results. But, if I may say so, I can already see the light at the end of the tunnel.

We're very close to having mango for all the twelve months of the year, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Again, good work/observation, thanks.

Although KNO3 can induce flowering, its effectiveness In sub tropical climate is not proven, and if it works at all , probably not reliable.  on the other hand, I believe you can delay the onset of the nest flowering, by doing your post harvest pruning, at a later time.

I do not have mature trees to experiment with this, but I posted somewhere in another thread, that it may be possible to stagger somewhat the ripening of fruit, by pruning different parts of a tree, at different times,  in other words,  lets say you prune 1/3 of the tree at your normal time of the year , the 2/3 a week or two later, and finally the last 3rd, a week or two after that.

I thought about this, because I noticed trees that were pruned back by the power company at some earlier time, had developing fruit on the part that was not cut back, and flowers on the side, that was.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on September 19, 2013, 08:58:34 AM
The second year that my Rosi fruited, all the fruit matured and was eaten in February.  I have not had it ripen that soon since, but generally much earlier than other varieties.

The February fruit did not have as much flavor as the later maturing fruit of other years.  Possibly because the tree was very young. Or maybe more sun and heat permit more flavor?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on September 19, 2013, 11:51:18 AM
Leo - I feel your pain, or at least sympathize with your challenge!

Have you or anyone else ever thought of maybe
knocking off half the very tiny small fruitlets (or even the flowering paniclaes for
that matter) from a late blooming variety like Keitt, to see if it would rebloom
again and carry's its fruit over into the winter months?

If not doing that on a part ( 1/2)of one tree, one could just do it completely on a
second tree (a Keitt perhaps) if you had a second one then hope for the rebloom.....

I mean, I'm sure this has been thought of....and maybe tried.....and this assumes the tree is small enough where you can reach all the branches to perform that operation.....

I mean, I will definitely try this some day.  I've got 3 Keitts for varying sizes right now...



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on September 19, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
Although Rosigold is consistently the one of the earliest, if not the earliest mango maturing at my place, it is most usually a March to April event.  It can mature in February but that is not the norm.  So for all you mango season extending enthusiasts......you better get that miracle mango to start "miracling" though out the winter months.  Good luck to you.  I haven't had the benefit of the miracle as of yet.  But then again, its only been about 18 or so years, so I'll continue to be patient.  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on September 19, 2013, 12:40:18 PM
When you can't eat mangos for 5 months of the year, doesn't it make you appreciate them MORE?  Wouldn't it be better to enjoy other fruits during the fall and winter?  (Avocados are a different story because many of us consider them an integral part of a green salad--I don't even use salad dressing when I include avocado--and green salads are necessary for your health and should be eaten everyday.)  But I guess I'm not a mango fanatic, as much as I do enjoy them and consider them a top fruit.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on September 19, 2013, 02:40:17 PM
When you can't eat mangos for 5 months of the year, doesn't it make you appreciate them MORE?  Wouldn't it be better to enjoy other fruits during the fall and winter? (Avocados are a different story because many of us consider them an integral part of a green salad--I don't even use salad dressing when I include avocado--and green salads are necessary for your health and should be eaten everyday.)  But I guess I'm not a mango fanatic, as much as I do enjoy them and consider them a top fruit.

Actually, I am in total agreement with you on this.  Truth be told, I eat more apples, bananas and grapes than I eat mangoes during most of the year....save the really ridiculous mango producing months.....when mangoes are non-stop fare.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on September 20, 2013, 12:04:55 AM
Tropicdude quote:

"Although KNO3 can induce flowering, its effectiveness In sub tropical climate is not proven, and if it works at all , probably not reliable.  on the other hand, I believe you can delay the onset of the nest flowering, by doing your post harvest pruning, at a later time.

I do not have mature trees to experiment with this, but I posted somewhere in another thread, that it may be possible to stagger somewhat the ripening of fruit, by pruning different parts of a tree, at different times,  in other words,  lets say you prune 1/3 of the tree at your normal time of the year , the 2/3 a week or two later, and finally the last 3rd, a week or two after that.

I thought about this, because I noticed trees that were pruned back by the power company at some earlier time, had developing fruit on the part that was not cut back, and flowers on the side, that was."


Interesting, this observation could be useful

The second year that my Rosi fruited, all the fruit matured and was eaten in February.  I have not had it ripen that soon since, but generally much earlier than other varieties.

The February fruit did not have as much flavor as the later maturing fruit of other years.  Possibly because the tree was very young. Or maybe more sun and heat permit more flavor?
I'll take it! This to me is definite proof that Rosigold can produce ripe/mature fruit in February, thank you mangomandan for the unexpected good news.

Mangofang, although the result of your course of action (removing the smallest fruitlets and flowering panicles) may not be known until tried, the resulting behaviour that you're predicting sure makes sense to me. And, I think it's definitely worth finding out.

Although Rosigold is consistently the one of the earliest, if not the earliest mango maturing at my place, it is most usually a March to April event.  It can mature in February but that is not the norm.  So for all you mango season extending enthusiasts......you better get that miracle mango to start "miracling" though out the winter months.  Good luck to you.  I haven't had the benefit of the miracle as of yet.  But then again, its only been about 18 or so years, so I'll continue to be patient.  :)
My miracle mango has had mature fruit from November to January, and everyone that saw it was freaked out about it. It was sure a sight to see.

I saw it begin to do this during the first year that it produced fruit, maybe it's because it had a lot of 'teenage' energy? Could it be that to get 'Miracle' to bear twice per year is to feed it with supernutrition-fertilizer, and plentyful water and sun?

When you can't eat mangos for 5 months of the year, doesn't it make you appreciate them MORE?  Wouldn't it be better to enjoy other fruits during the fall and winter?  (Avocados are a different story because many of us consider them an integral part of a green salad--I don't even use salad dressing when I include avocado--and green salads are necessary for your health and should be eaten everyday.)  But I guess I'm not a mango fanatic, as much as I do enjoy them and consider them a top fruit.
OK, you got me, I'm a member of the mangoholics anonymous group, and I admit it, I'm a mango fanatic.  8)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on September 20, 2013, 11:01:59 AM
OK, you got me, I'm a member of the mangoholics anonymous group, and I admit it, I'm a mango fanatic.

And there's no treatment, Leo. It's best to give in to it, and let the Angies fall where they may.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 20, 2013, 07:34:48 PM
haha I don't know about that. During mango season, I can wolf down several mangoes per day for 4 to 5 months straight. The trick to not getting bored with the mango is having plenty of cultivars. I suppose it could get old eating, say, keitts for 5 months straight. But, when you're eating a different cultivar every couple of weeks -- that's pretty hard to get bored of -- unless you're a frog!!

I'm with you on the avocadoes. I typically go through a hass a day, but I don't eat it like you do (with salad). I wolf it down just like I would a mango with just a dash of salt. Unfortunately we're pretty limited on what we can grow here in terms of avocadoes -- just the florida hass. The other ones are just a waste of space and food for the rats. I guess they may make good rootstock too.

But, yah, you hit the nail on the head. One must have a varied selection of fruit trees. However, you do want to maximize the amount of mangoes that you can grow on your property -- since it's top fruit here and harvest spans so many months. In my case, roughly 1/2 of my collection consists of mango trees.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on September 21, 2013, 12:44:39 AM
Mangomandan knows exactly where I'm coming from.

That's it Jeff, the solution to mango eating boredom is to have different quality cultivars.

During the mango season, I just love going from cultivar to cultivar.

For example, I can't wait for the season to begin with the very early 'Rosigold.'

Then, go to the different tasting but delicious 'Miracle.'

Then, on to the fiberless'Tebow,' with its great eating quality, and because of its really thin seed, you can slice off each side and easily scoop out the flesh with a spoon. It's as if it was artificially-fabricated/man-made, it's surreal! And so on and so on.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on September 21, 2013, 07:14:03 AM
Once again the 24/7 mumbo jumbo has infected another thread. This is like a bad rash that just keeps spreading.

Anyone know when Florida citrus ripens?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on September 21, 2013, 02:05:27 PM
My recollection is that Florida Navels start rolling in around mid-October.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on September 21, 2013, 02:12:07 PM
The Minneola tangelo ripens mostly January and February (in Florida).
The earliest ones picked are not always as sweet as those picked mid to late season.
If you have your own tree, you may still be getting delicious fruit in March.   :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jc on September 21, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
My point exactly.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on September 23, 2013, 02:34:59 AM
Once again the 24/7 mumbo jumbo has infected another thread. This is like a bad rash that just keeps spreading.

Anyone know when Florida citrus ripens?

Sarcasm anyone?  ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on September 23, 2013, 12:35:19 PM
Yeah, I missed it completely.  The phrase 24/7 makes me think of Walgreens pharmacies.

So you're saying that JC may not actually be fascinated by the citrus growing season..................
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on October 03, 2013, 05:57:08 AM
Brook's Late still pumping out lots of fruits. Neelam just petered out. Meanwhile lots of Keitts also floating around.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
hahah that incredibly rich flavor is precisely what I find irresistable about the LZ. If you think that was intense, you should try the pina colada hahahah. The first time I had a pina colada, I got a mild upset stomach due to the overwhelming sugar content. A few folks were calling the LZ 'bland' when compared to the O-2 (aka Peach Cobbler), so I can only imagine how intense the flavor is on that one. I think a lot of us mango lubbers enjoy that intense flavor.

Geez Jeff, at this point I can't image something stronger than LZ, looking forward to having my mind blown with the peach cobbler and and piŮa colada, que pink Floyd's dark side of the moon. What's next prescription strength mangos....lol

Wait a minute. Jeff Much of my Top 5 list that will be purchased is based off of your reviews!!!!! I had LZ down as number 1!!!! Now it seems I need to kick Malika, Carrie, and grab Peach Cobbler, and Pina Colada....

New top 5 being purchased if top tropicals has them to ship to CA.     
LZ
Coconut Cream
Peach Cobbler
Sweet Tart
Pina Colada             Zill's Dynasty
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 01:02:12 PM
Sweet Tart is absolutely incredible. If you eat it when perfectly ripened, it loses that strong acidity. You'll have to try a few before you nail the ripeness. I would have named it Cola Mango, since the taste is very reminiscent of Coca Cola syrup. To make the deal even better, Zill's calls it a "compact" mango tree.

Jeff would you say Sweet Tart could be Potted in a good size container?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on January 24, 2014, 01:16:38 PM
Clay - two things...

1 - Just be aware that our SoCal growing environment(s) might (and often does) affect the "subjective" taste of all of these top notch mangoes. 

2 - And how well they grow and fare with your particular micro-climate, water type and soil might cause variation as well.

All in all, bottom line,  what I'm saying is - I'm not sure you're going to go wrong with any of your chosen ones, but you may be surprised and re-adjust your thinking once you've grown and tasted them from your own back yard....

But hey - it's ALL GOOD!!!!!!!!

Grow mangoes and prosper, amigo.....Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 01:20:25 PM
Gary you have a few of Zils Florida varieties right? Have their flavors been compromised by our lackluster climate?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on January 24, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Which varieties you talking about, Clay....?

[and by the way, regarding our "lackluster climate" even though we have a shorter and overall less warm growing season and lack the higher humidity that they have in Florida, which I know most plants like, I'm thinking that with mangoes the lack of humidity (or less so...or none in my case out here in the desert) forestalls or eliminates many of the humidity-based diseases that the Floridians get....and another huge benefit, especially in this current winter pattern, is we don't get the really radical cold Arctic fronts that race through Canada, cut across the nation's mid-section and perpetrate so far south as they have.  The Pacific Ocean definitely has a moderating affect on those fronts that come down to us from Alaska on occasion, and seem to cause less extreme swings (in my estimation anyway) in our weather patterns]

Also, with average lows being less that those in most of Florida, we can also reap the benefit of some fruits that need some cold to fruit.  Not talking mango's here, but other sub-tropical fruit.....

So, enough of my blah, blah.....

(Thread HIJACKER!)

Guilty as charged!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
I'm with you there Gary!!!

We get the best of both worlds over here... enjoying man of the tropical fruits and trees, to many of the cold varieties that require a few hundred chill hours such as apples, plums, and cherries....

You have the Lemon Zest and Pina Colada which are both Zill varieties I believe. Have their taste been compromised by are more Mild Climate( better?) compared to what  Ripe Lemon zest from Florida would tast like?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: nullzero on January 24, 2014, 02:19:48 PM
Clay, ask Gary about Maha Chanok  :o I think Maha Chanok is one of those possibly compromised by SoCal growing conditions varieties.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 02:29:39 PM
Hey Null,

I see you have Anna Dorsett Apple tree... How is that if you dont mind me asking?

I bought one 3 weeks ago at Home depot which is in Full blossom at the moment. I really wanted that honey crisp variety but we just dont get the chill hours needed so i settled for this one....Please tell me something good.

Gary we have Jacked this thread indeed...I hope the Mods to kick us lol
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: nullzero on January 24, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
Hey Null,

I see you have Anna Dorsett Apple tree... How is that if you dont mind me asking?

I bought one 3 weeks ago at Home depot which is in Full blossom at the moment. I really wanted that honey crisp variety but we just dont get the chill hours needed so i settled for this one....Please tell me something good.

Gary we have Jacked this thread indeed...I hope the Mods to kick us lol

Anna gave a couple taste apples in the past. However, it scumbag to heat and termites. Dorsett Golden was a champ though, gave it away to a friend (will plant one in the ground in FL). Highly recommend Dorsett Golden, loved the taste of it as well. Anna apple was an average taste, Dorsett Golden had a good sweet sour balanced flavor a grade above Anna in my opinion.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 02:38:07 PM
Darn, I looked at at em both.....Walked away with the Anna...I think i might compost it and go pick up the Dorsett.. They still have some left in Bareroot at Home Depot and Lowes for liek 20 bucks
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on January 24, 2014, 03:04:25 PM
Like Nullzie said, the Anna (which I also have) just seems to be an OK apple.
Make sure if you get the Golden Dorsett you have enough chill hours where you are....

As far as the LZ - should have my first taste this year as last year was simply bountiful
growth.  Right now there are inflo's on my LZ which hopefully will translate into a few mangoes.
And I've never had a Florida LZ so can't tell you how it compares.

The Pina Colada - I had last year. They were good, but not great, maybe because I had to pick them early for our taste test (or maybe it's the youth of the tree!?!?) - it was not fully ripe, and again have never had a florida PC....or any Florida mangoes except an Edward that JF brought last year that had been mailed to him, and that was past ripe if I remember correctly....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 03:11:24 PM
Gary I believe we get about 400-600 chill hours depending on the winter...I think that should suffice....Too bad its not enough for Honey Crisp....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on January 24, 2014, 06:24:02 PM
....which I stupidly have planted I might add....if you're ever down here,
you can have it as you've got more chances than I do (250-300 Chill hours)
on a cooler than normal winter to get that one producing.....


G
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mwambao on January 24, 2014, 06:52:15 PM
 Ngowe tree  it is believed was brought from Zanzibar and planted on Lamu approximately 106 years ago. This is typical coastal cultivar variety, type, also known as Lamu mango, can now be found all along theThe East African coastline and has also adapted well to medium altitude locations

Among the native mangoes from Kenya Coast are Apple Mangoes,Boribo and Dodo
(http://s30.postimg.cc/s4uy4a7rh/mangoes.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s4uy4a7rh/)

Ngowe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 24, 2014, 07:21:04 PM
There are way too many factors to consider when choosing a set of top x mangoes:

 - Soil: mango flavor varies based on soil
 - Year: mango flavor varies from year to year on the same tree
 - State of Maturity: mango flavor varies quite a bit based whether it was picked too early or too late
 - Time of Year: often, the first say 10% of a mango crop will be more bland than the later crop; for mangoes with multiple crops, late crop can sometimes be sweeter
 - Culture of Taster: preferences vary widely based on the background of the taster
 - Frame of Mind: placebo effect, first mango of season exuberance, etc.
 - Climate: warm weather sometimes sweetens up
 - Cultural Conditions: eg, postassium can sweeten up a mango

So, trying to compile a top x list is not going to be easy. Your best bet is to track someone down from your area who can give you some local advice and possibly some samples to taste test.

My "practical" advice -- you're in socal where you can grow an unconscionable array of ridiculously awesome fruits (cherimoya, persimmon, grapes, stone fruits, hass avocadoes, citrus, feijoa, pomegranates, etc, etc), so I would plant out one or two mangoes and fill the rest of the yard with all the other awesome fruits that you lucky brats can grow there.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 08:14:03 PM
GARY LOLLLLLLL.... I got a real good kick out of that.

I'll definately give it a shot and see if I can get something from it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 24, 2014, 08:23:18 PM
Will do Jeff... Thanks for the amazing break down on the overall quality of a Mango.

Gary has a couple of Zills Monsters...I dont think they're ready for taste trials yet based on their maturity. I think I might wing it and hope for the best.... I know it sounds crazy with me not even tryed anything other than a store bought Mango....But my mind is set that the rest of the yard will be devoted to MANGOS!!!!

Dont worry about variety... The house came with a set a mature beauties including.... a mature Cherry tree, Santa Rosa Plum, Mexican Lime, Blood Orange, Pear... recently planted 15 Gallon Red Barron Peach and Saturn Peach tree, Anna Dorset apple.....

Its time to grow some of Zills Monsters ....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 24, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
hahaha if you're used to store mangoes, then even what we floridians consider mediocre mangoes will knock your socks off. I ship glenns back home to my folks in ventura county, and they absolutely love them.

But, if I had to decide between filling the yard with cherimoyas or mangoes, it would be a tough call. Cherimoya has to be one of the world's finest fruits.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on January 24, 2014, 08:36:32 PM
Will do Jeff... Thanks for the amazing break down on the overall quality of a Mango.

Gary has a couple of Zills Monsters...I dont think they're ready for taste trials yet based on their maturity. I think I might wing it and hope for the best.... I know it sounds crazy with me not even tryed anything other than a store bought Mango....But my mind is set that the rest of the yard will be devoted to MANGOS!!!!

Dont worry about variety... The house came with a set a mature beauties including.... a mature Cherry tree, Santa Rosa Plum, Mexican Lime, Blood Orange, Pear... recently planted 15 Gallon Red Barron Peach and Saturn Peach tree, Anna Dorset apple.....

Its time to grow some of Zills Monsters ....

Clay

I meet a cherimoya grower, in the scion exchange last Saturday, from Temecula that said he has a large mango collection that grow well down there. We will be visiting him in spring and post pics.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on January 25, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
JF,

I would love to hear what we have growing right around the corner from me.. I wonder if he has some of Mango Professors varieties...I'm still hoping someone would give a review on his cold hardy Mangos he has produced.


Jeff

Now you have me contemplating on taking one of my Mango selections out for a cherimoya....And I have never even tasted one of those things lol
What are you doing to me....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 25, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
ohh boy. you need to try a quality cherimoya. they are obscenely delicious.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on January 28, 2014, 01:04:53 PM
Darn, I looked at at em both.....Walked away with the Anna...I think i might compost it and go pick up the Dorsett.. They still have some left in Bareroot at Home Depot and Lowes for liek 20 bucks

Or plant both in 1 hole
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on January 28, 2014, 02:28:50 PM
...and Clay, I've only eaten one Cherimoya that JF gave me and can't remember what it tasted like....
and regarding the Mango Professor and all his new mango varieties in Camarillo - he was supposed to have a public mango tasting this last year but cancelled it - can't remember why.  so none of us have tasted any of his 10 - 12 new varieties.  He has write-ups on them on his website, but no one I know has tasted them in person...


Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 21, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
Hello Joe, I hope you will have more reviews this year. I would love to hear your review of Maha Chanok and some of the newer Zill varieties. Thanks again for all the detailed descriptions!
Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on June 21, 2014, 03:15:55 PM
I noticed that the first glenns I picked were not as sweet and flavorful as the rest. Even with all the rain that fell, the later glenns were sweeter and have a bit of a pineapple flavor. The flavor is similar if not identical to the haden I grew in muck/builder's fill limestone soil at my old house, but they are sweeter and have less fiber than haden. I know I don't have a mislabeled tree cause the tree and the fruits look like Glenns.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 22, 2014, 10:04:27 PM
No reviews yet this season?  You're killing us, Joe.  We were spoiled by your previous posts.  Hope everything is ok.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: strkpr00 on June 22, 2014, 10:13:28 PM
I stopped by Benders Grove and picked up a bag of mangoes I don't grow. I am looking for future trees to grow. So far I am missing out on the GLENN mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 22, 2014, 10:24:46 PM
I have enjoyed all the glenns i have had this year...sorry Rob  ;)  Trying to get out as much as possible.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 22, 2014, 11:15:54 PM
Hey guys just checking in. This has been one heck of a whirlwind year so far and I cant even believe that June is almost over with. My wife and I bought our first house together and closed on it 5 days ago. The yard has 0.3 acres of canvas to work with! : )  Spent the entire day today trimming trees, clearing brush, ripping out stumps; to make room for the fruit trees I plan to plant and even a large raised garden bed for vegetables. The previous owners had a ton of ply wood in the garage which they were using for hurricane shutters and I am gonna use it for the raised garden bed, (have to buy real hurricane shutters to lower home insurance premium, and now I know why everyone complains about fl home insurance...)

Mango season thus far hasn't even started for me, I had one off a friends tree which was so so and then some honey's from publix. I plan on getting down to truly tropical soon and I am definitely hitting up mango madness at fruit and spice park this year again. I plan to post some more reviews this year and a video of my yard once I get some stuff planted out.

-joep450

 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on June 22, 2014, 11:26:54 PM
Joe - looks like your post had been hijacked but now you're back to claim it!
Can't WAIT for your next review.  You are the one I listen too more than any
others!

Thanks for doing this.....Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 22, 2014, 11:51:01 PM
wow, Joe.  Congrats on the house!!!  I was in almost the exact same situation last June.  Awesome that you'll be planting things out soon.  I am also attending mango madness/mania/tasting event at f&s on saturday.  Look forward to meeting you.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ajeshcool47 on June 23, 2014, 11:44:48 AM
dear all...,Mallika mango from India is undoubtedly the world's finest mango in taste...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 23, 2014, 12:50:54 PM
dear all...,Mallika mango from India is undoubtedly the world's finest mango in taste...

An opinion only from a resident of India...and as an opinion from a Florida, USA resident (in which we have over 100 distinctly different named varieties), a Florida grown Mallika can be outstanding it is not "undoubtedly the world's finest mango in taste".
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on June 23, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Congrats on your new house!  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on June 23, 2014, 03:45:01 PM
dear all...,Mallika mango from India is undoubtedly the world's finest mango in taste...

Mallika is a great mango for sure,  but "worlds finest" depends on the person eating the mango,  no mango will ever be, everyone's favorite.  also there are over 1000 varieties of mangoes with new hybrids being introduced all the time,  so even the Mallika may be bred to make it even better.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 28, 2014, 12:48:21 AM
Hey forum on Wednesday I made it down to truly tropical and was able to pick up a host of delicious mangos, out of the mangos I have eaten so far the lemon meringues and large Carries were righteously on point. I had two large dot mango and two cogshall which I could have sworn tasted slightly better last year IMO but were still great. Spoke with Chris about this years crop and she said lots of cultivars are coming due at the same time so if you haven't already make sure you head down there and get while the gettin's good. I was saddened to see that the ice cream, one of my personal favorites had but 6 mangos on the tree, whereas last year the thing was bursting with them.

Since I follow the truly tropical blog, I was dead set in making the trip down in hopes of scoring some Depuis Saigon, a mango I have never tasted, but have only read about on this forum. What follows is an account of my first tasting : )


This Depuis Saigon "DS" weighed in at 10.4 oz, was 4.25in long, bright canary yellow with white spots and some small browning. It was soft to the touch with some give and the mango did not have a strong aromatic smell, only when really close could a light sweet scent be noticed. When I ran my knife along the edge of the seed to halve the mango I noticed that the seed was very thick, which would prove a lower amount of edible flesh to seed ratio. When the mango was halved it produced a bright orange flesh, with hardly any juice. The flesh for the most part was fiberless until you ate near the seed which a picture below shows. The texture of the flesh was very soft and slippery, I would not call it creamy. The taste was sweet, with notes of oranges and honey dew melon. Overall, I think this was a great tasting mango and I am curious as to why it is not more widely propagated, production? Disease resistance issues? ....definitely not because of taste.




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-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 29, 2014, 01:46:23 AM
I totally agree, and think the same of the excalibur mango and the tyler premiere. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on June 29, 2014, 07:08:11 AM
Joe, I think nearly every mango I have tasted so far this year is not quite as good as the same cultivar in other years.
Possibly my imagination, but none seems to have quite as much "sparkle", i.e. sub-acid undertones.

One mango, a "Guava" mango from Walter Zill, did have that sparkle. My first time tasting it, and it has a nicely balanced flavor and interesting notes that may or may not be like guava. (I've killed a couple guava trees through the years, but never tasted fresh guava.)

Nice meeting you at the F&S Park.   Lots of interesting varieties there; I suspect few samples were prime examples, though.

Dan

edit:  I changed my mind in July. Some of the mid and late-season mangos I tasted have been wonderful.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 02, 2014, 10:24:32 PM
Hey Dan it was also nice meeting you at the fruit and spice park, I think in a way we like similar flavors. One mango I thought was pretty interesting was this paheri
(http://s22.postimg.cc/6fi8p7c19/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fi8p7c19/)
 About the size of a baseball, deep orange flesh, fiberless, richly flavored, nice blushing color on skin. Wish I had a full mango or two to bring home but ultimate chaos ensued once they ordered everyone out of the tent and then back in lol.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 02, 2014, 11:03:25 PM
The Coconut Cream Mango

About two years ago, probably three now I bought a coconut cream mango tree and a lemon zest from Jeff Hagen. I bought em "taste unseen." And now finally I can say I have tried the coconut cream "CC" and am totally pleased I have a tree!

In total I have four CC mangos to eat and just for silliness sake a bag of shaved processed coconut as a "coconut" reference point. The longest one pictured measured 4.5in, and the avg weight taken by all four was 352g. The shape was irregularly ovoid with a few random lumps, the color was yellowing-green to amber with some pinkish blush and black dots. The smell was not apparent until placing the mango close to my nose, but when I did a sweet coconut-spice scent was present. When I cut the mango open a bright yellow-orange flesh was exposed with some viscous juice present. The flesh was fiberless, creamy, and melted in my mouth. The flesh to seed ratio is nice as the seed is not overly large and when halved you can get some decent scoops with a spoon. The taste is phenomenal, very sweet with with a spice-like coconut flavor (I say spice-like because it's not resinous), it was like eating 12 pickerings condensed into one mango and combined with and Edward and that is the taste of coconut cream!

Here is a video I had my wife take of the second coconut cream with an ipad, personally I think I sound like a nut and truthfully I was still at a loss of words with this mango, but if you ignore what I'm saying and focus on the mango you can see how crazy good this mango is -> http://youtu.be/x6F7QM99cPo (http://youtu.be/x6F7QM99cPo)


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 03, 2014, 12:51:20 AM
Funny thing, I came across your video on youtube before seeing your post here,  that CC sure looks juicy and smooth. I wanted a bite so bad.  I think I got my tree around the same time as you, also from Jeff,  my tree is not doing so well, not sure why, I suspect some nutritional problems, or drainage.   I sure want to try this variety,   great review as always.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on July 03, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
WOW JoeP - you've made mango tasting into a true art form....
I've got ONE coconut cream that made it this year, so I can't
WAIT for the time to taste it!  Great review (even though you
used grams!!!   ;) ) on the CC!

Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DurianLover on July 03, 2014, 01:39:20 AM
So, and conclusion?? Did CC beat LZ in preference?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 03, 2014, 02:39:59 AM
I concur.  Coconut cream is AMAZING!!  I gave it an elusive 10 out of 10!!!  A supernatural eating experience!  Lookout, LZ.  I am coming for you soon!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 03, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
Hey Dan it was also nice meeting you at the fruit and spice park, I think in a way we like similar flavors. One mango I thought was pretty interesting was this paheri
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 About the size of a baseball, deep orange flesh, fiberless, richly flavored, nice blushing color on skin. Wish I had a full mango or two to bring home but ultimate chaos ensued once they ordered everyone out of the tent and then back in lol.

-joep450


I have a paheri that should be ready today or tomorrow.  Thanks for the heads up...looking forward to tasting it
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 03, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
A bit of info for those on the fence as to which is better, LZ or CC...

Last year, the LZ was hands down better than CC (and OS).  The LZ were what I would call amazing and just about untouchable in terms of quality other than some Sweet Tarts and a variety soon to be known as Amy (I say soon but don't know how soon or what its availability will be).

The year before I would say the OS topped the LZ and CC was on par with LZ but not as good as OS.

This year, I have probably eaten 20 or more LZ and probably an equal amount of CC.  There is NO comparison, the CC have been exceptional...on par with the quality when it was C-20, the year before it was named CC, when all who tasted it were stating it was possibly the best mango, period.  The LZ this year, except for a few that were exceptional, have been sub-standard.  Besides eating the 20, I have cut into many and have just tossed them into the garbage.  There seems to be an issue with a rotting around the seed (not jelly seed but a brown rot and off/bad smell, inedible.  The OS have been a little late to ripen and I have only had 3.  They have been very good to excellent (better than LZ but not as good as CC) but do seem to carry the jelly seed issue that its, along with LZ and PPK, are known for.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 03, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
yeah.  I can't imagine anything tasting better than the CCs i have had recently.  They were even better than the mahas i also tried recently (the mahas were quite good, but nothing i have had compares with CC.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomanic12 on July 03, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
I have a tree growing here in Arizona. Is that a true representative of the size of the CC fruit ?
JoeP is that from your tree or was it purchased?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 03, 2014, 03:39:41 PM
One thing I forgot to say in the review of the CC is that the closer the flesh is to the rind, the more coconut spice flavor you get so when eating that mango literally get all that flesh out ;)

Mangomanic12- the CC's I wrote up were not off my tree but purchased from walter zill's place in del ray beach fl, my tree is sadly still in a pot, severely neglected in my father's backyard about an hour away from the house I just bought and has never fruited. I have been renting in a townhouse with virtually no yard until I bought a house like 2 weeks ago, and was forced to keep my plants in pots for when the time came, but I am definitely going to pick up the the CC and plant it out in my new yard very soon.

DurianLover- I agree with what bsbullie said to an extent that mangos can differ from year to year, last year my LZ that I planted at my mother's house produced 2 or 3 mangos, one of which I wrote up in this thread. I still remember it like yesterday, as the best mango I have ever eaten, and the LZ's i ate last year I would slightly prefer over the CC's I just revewied. Personal taste prefences differ for everyone, but I swear that LZ is like beyond "mango" haha. I havn't had an LZ this year yet, my mother's tree did not flower and I think its either because she does not fertilize it EVER or the fact my greedy self forced it to hold fruit last year while it was still very young. Also when I was at Walters buying the CC's his wife was explaining something similar to what BSBullie is saying along the lines that many of them were suffering from some kind of rot and I was only able to two purchase two mangos of which are still not ripe yet and overall they didn't have much of an LZ crop this year. Now the PPK I had from truly tropical this year I thought were very good and I'm looking forward to my first LZ in a few days once its ripe. 

I wish I knew more about the CC and LZ and how well they produce and disease resistance, but I from looking at the trees I have it seems the CC is relatively more slower growing and compact than the LZ.

-Gunnar429 I'm interested in reading what you think of the paheri please post some pics of it with a review, I wish I had some more to try.


-JoeP450
 

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 03, 2014, 06:08:19 PM
I am unfortunately having difficulty posting pics from my camera as i have a chromebook.  However, i will take pics and figure out a way to get them up there.

Is paheri a freestone like bombay.  I keep reading they are similar (despite the fact that the paheris look much larger than bombay).  So, should i slice on the equator and twist? 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 03, 2014, 06:32:54 PM

I like those sleek chromebooks! I wish I needed one but am all set.

I am unfortunately having difficulty posting pics from my camera as i have a chromebook.  However, i will take pics and figure out a way to get them up there.

serves you right for going off the windows reservation  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 03, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
I mostly agree with bsbullie, and I've noted something very interesting lately -- mango flavor varies dramatically from one year to the next.

Last year, the SweetTart and LZ were insanely delicious, and the CC was slightly bland. This year the sweet tart and LZ are very good but not nearly as good as last year, and it sounds like the CC is off the charts.

The carrie, which were astounding last year are "pretty good" this year, but a little on the bland and watery side. The year before was also a down year for carrie flavor.

So, good flavor years can vary on an alternating pattern.

I think it's best to have a wide variety of mangoes, so that every year there is a group which are exceedingly delicious. It's also super important not to make planting decisions on a single season's crop.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 03, 2014, 08:19:11 PM

I like those sleek chromebooks! I wish I needed one but am all set.

I am unfortunately having difficulty posting pics from my camera as i have a chromebook.  However, i will take pics and figure out a way to get them up there.

serves you right for going off the windows reservation  :)

haha.  I know.  Microsoft just may be the illuminati
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 03, 2014, 11:39:35 PM
I mostly agree with bsbullie, and I've noted something very interesting lately -- mango flavor varies dramatically from one year to the next.

Last year, the SweetTart and LZ were insanely delicious, and the CC was slightly bland. This year the sweet tart and LZ are very good but not nearly as good as last year, and it sounds like the CC is off the charts.

The carrie, which were astounding last year are "pretty good" this year, but a little on the bland and watery side. The year before was also a down year for carrie flavor.

So, good flavor years can vary on an alternating pattern.

I think it's best to have a wide variety of mangoes, so that every year there is a group which are exceedingly delicious. It's also super important not to make planting decisions on a single season's crop.

Must be a regional thing, most mangoes I have tried this year have been bland for me, watery, or just off, lots of Jellyseed, lots of fruit not ripening right. not sure if I have just had bad luck or the weather made them like that,  our dry season did not start when it usually does. so that may have been a factor.

Have not tried the CC or LZ yet.  nobody here with mature tree, my LZ died and my CC has not done anything, its only 2 years old or so.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 04, 2014, 01:04:33 AM
The Pim Saen Mun Mango "PSM"

This Asian mango I brought home from mango madness but have also purchased them from Excalibur and truly tropical before. The PSM was one of the first non-store bought mangos I had tried and I remember thinking how neat it was that the fruit I was eating was in fact a mango and how it tasted so different than the store bought definition of mango, that was just the beginning of the rabbit hole for me haha.

This mango weighed in at 1.1lbs and was 5.5in long resembling a kidney in shape. The skin was a yellowing green with some dark brown spots at the top. There was not much smell to the outside of the mango, and it was soft and felt ripe to eat. When I cut the mango open I immediately noticed it was nearly absent of mango juice. The flesh was light yellow in color, smooth in texture, and fiberless. The polyembrionic seed is long and thin which provided a nice ratio of edible flesh to seed. The taste was very interesting and has a flavor uniquely it's own resembling the sweetness of sugarcane with nuances of celery and banana.

-joep450
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 04, 2014, 11:58:26 AM
I have fallen in love with PSM mangoes this year.  To me (thus far in my tasting journey), I like PSM way better than any other asian mangoes (this season, I have tried ndm, tong dam, Maha Chanok, and others i can't recall).  Don't get me wrong, the Mahas I had were very smooth, orange, and sweet (no parsnip, onion, or pepper), but there's just something about the sweetness of PSM that makes my whole body smile when i eat it.  If it wasn't for CC, it'd probably be my favorite mango tasted this year.

I don't get any celery or banana, but just a rich sweetness.  All hail, PSM!  (If I recall, the trees at TT were pretty productive.  Is that normal?  If so, seems like a must-have for my liking.  Seems fairly resistant to anthracnose as well.  Anyone care to disagree?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on July 04, 2014, 12:48:10 PM
Anything with a celery taste would make me shudder. That's the one ingredient I cannot tolerate inv the juicer. Can take kale, spinach, sweet potato, etc. - add celery and it's going to take a handful of miracle fruit to tolerate.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomanic12 on July 04, 2014, 05:53:43 PM
I have had a few Pin Saen Muns from TT. No celery taste but agree with  banana and sugarcane and something so pleasant that makes one yearn for more and more of it. Absolutely delicious.. A mango that is not talked about a lot but excellent in  my opinion

. .
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 09, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
Here are some pics from gunnar429 on the paheri with his review to come.


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-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: puglvr1 on July 10, 2014, 07:00:02 AM


Joe, Great reviews! On your Video there's a pretty nice looking digital food scale...can you please tell me the brand and model # if you don't mind? Thanks!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 10, 2014, 04:57:15 PM
Brand is Taylor, believe it was 20-25$ from bed bath n beyond.

Joep450
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 14, 2014, 01:06:30 PM
Keow Savoy- Thai Green Eating Mango

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This was my first time trying a green mango. I was pleasantly surprised by the taste and texture. It was crisp and chewy.  The first thing I tasted was a mild creamy sweetness, then a very faint hint of subacid (but no distinct "sour"), and finally a addictive turpentin-ey resin twang that said "Yum...Mango!"  :) Although the flesh is somewhat similar to a green apple, green papaya or white guava, the Keow Savoy's taste and texture are much more appealing to me.

I tried eating some slices dipped in salt, and it was delicious. Then I tried salt  + chili powder = also delicious, but a bit overpowering of the natural flavor. Then I tried plain Keow savoy under the influence of Miracle Fruit and the taste was quite a bit sweeter, but did not enhancing the flavor for me.

The first day I got it it was "too green" and not so delicious. The second day it was perfect: Crisp, chewy and delicious.  The third day it became just a little bit too sweet & soft for what it was. So there is a 'window of ripeness' with this mango, just like normal ripe mangoes.

As a fruit lover who is somewhat conservative about eating too much fructose /  sugar, I found that it was pretty much the perfect healthy snack. I had no guilt about eating it with breakfast, etc.  I ran back to the store to pick up some more and was sad to hear them say the season is dropping off. 

Source: Fortune Cookie Oriental Market, West Palm Beach, FL. The owner, David, is an avid tropical fruit grower. His store sells seasonal tropical fruits like jaks, red sugar apples, wax jambu, logans, Thai mangoes from his yard... some imported, and some from local Asian farmers in the community (try their Thai bananas). 


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on July 14, 2014, 05:35:57 PM
Devoured my first Seacrest, which was supplied by Rob over the weekend. No pictures, but nicely ripened to a full yellow color. Very Citrusy undertones with the flavor, somewhat more understated than lemon zest. Gotta say, I'm digging the citrusy mangoes that I have tried this year. Very pleasing flavor. Super juicy and delicious.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 14, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
Ahhhh Bret this makes me want to eat a green okrung like right now!

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 14, 2014, 11:12:45 PM
Here is a Fruit Punch mango from Walter Zill's

I was told the parentage of this mango is the kent, and I asked Walter if this is also a late producer like the kent and he said no. The fruit punch pictured is the only one I have eaten and I'm definitely looking forward for more, as it is a delicious mango.

This mango is a large mango weighing in at 1.8lbs and was 5.25 in long. The color is very pretty in my opinion with red, pink, yellow, orange and green visible with some white dots mixed in. There was not much smell to the outside of the mango. When I cut the mango open, lots of thin juice was present with a bright orange yellow flesh. The seed was large but there was plenty of flesh to eat. The flesh was non fibrous and very juicy, it was not creamy. This mango tasted very sweet, when I finished eating this mango I thought to myself that I need to buy a refractometer to start measuring the brix on these reviews, and that way I could see if my taste buds are crazy or if certain mangos are measurably sweeter than others. The flavor was interesting, sweet, fruit punch-like, but IMO nothing resembling the Kent's I have eaten, I think it has some resemblance to an in your face baileys marvel or truly tropical best mango, with some notes of peach. Overall a great tasting mango.


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-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on July 14, 2014, 11:35:51 PM
I believe Fruit Punch is a Zill-80 seedling.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2014, 11:42:08 PM
I believe Fruit Punch is a Zill-80 seedling.

Correct...and Zill 80 is a seedling from Kent.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2014, 11:47:58 PM
Most people do not ever enjoy the best taste of a Kent.  If the Kent is left on the tree to where the shoulders achieve a bright red coloration and the bottom tip yellowing, the taste is fantastic.   The true potential of its sweet flavor is lost when the Kent is picked green and left to ripen off the tree to the best it can.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2014, 11:51:16 PM
Joe - the Fruit Punch does have a nice aroma when just picked as long as its picked with its bright coloration and yellowing tip.  Its not a strong aroma but it has c a definite smell.  When it gets a little past its peak ripness it begins to lose thecaroma.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 15, 2014, 07:36:23 AM
Most people do not ever enjoy the best taste of a Kent.  If the Kent is left on the tree to where the shoulders achieve a bright red coloration and the bottom tip yellowing, the taste is fantastic.   The true potential of its sweet flavor is lost when the Kent is picked green and left to ripen off the tree to the best it can.

Thanks very useful for me w my Kent tree. Kent has many tastes coming from it when it is ripe to past ripe. Plus it semi-late coming in after the peak of mango season. This year it looks like it has 30 more days before I get ripe fruit from it. IIRC it was a bit earlier last year.

It is a flavor bomb and gets as big as a bomb but not as large as Keitt
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 15, 2014, 08:16:58 AM
Most people do not ever enjoy the best taste of a Kent.  If the Kent is left on the tree to where the shoulders achieve a bright red coloration and the bottom tip yellowing, the taste is fantastic.   The true potential of its sweet flavor is lost when the Kent is picked green and left to ripen off the tree to the best it can.

Rob, is it a Top-Five mango, a Top-Ten, or neither?  In your opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 15, 2014, 08:26:32 AM
Rob, is it a Top-Five mango, a Top-Ten, or neither?  In your opinion, of course.
Kent is Top five due to when it comes in, after the mid July South Florida mango glut, mango peak. So it will not beat prime July mangoes, and the new Zill mangoes, but those are eaten and gone when Kent rolls in
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 15, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
Devoured my first Seacrest, which was supplied by Rob over the weekend. No pictures, but nicely ripened to a full yellow color. Very Citrusy undertones with the flavor, somewhat more understated than lemon zest. Gotta say, I'm digging the citrusy mangoes that I have tried this year. Very pleasing flavor. Super juicy and delicious.


A couple pictures of Seacrest, which I too enjoyed very much.


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 15, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
I got to taste a Zill mango known as Kathy; it also has a number, maybe 36-24-36?   ;D

I don't have an in-depth review, will say it was very tasty, with some of the "zing" that I enjoy in Sweet Tart mangos.

I don't always eat tart mangos, but when I do I prefer Kathy.


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mikesid on July 15, 2014, 09:26:32 AM
Devoured my first Seacrest, which was supplied by Rob over the weekend. No pictures, but nicely ripened to a full yellow color. Very Citrusy undertones with the flavor, somewhat more understated than lemon zest. Gotta say, I'm digging the citrusy mangoes that I have tried this year. Very pleasing flavor. Super juicy and delicious.


A couple pictures of Seacrest, which I too enjoyed very much.


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This is one of my favorites for the year so far...my kids really enjoyed this too...I think it's a top tier mango
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: natsgarden123 on July 15, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
Seacrest...I can guess where that name came from......

Kathy is named after a very nice lady as well..
 

I dont think anyone mentioned Mulgoba in this thread. It was delicious- bought some at Truly Tropical.

Dupuis Saigon was outstanding as well.... so sweet and smooth. I cant wiat until my tree starts producing.




Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 15, 2014, 11:20:41 AM
Lol dan, insert dos Equis guy meme saying "I don't always eat tart mangos, but when I do..."

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 15, 2014, 12:17:31 PM

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Done.  :D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 15, 2014, 12:49:42 PM
Yes lol

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 15, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
Yes, well done, Alexi!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mikesid on July 15, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
Another really good one this year:

'Guava'...I believe Walter said he got this from a gentleman in West Palm beach and the original tree was being cut down so Walter got some budwood to preserve it


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 15, 2014, 02:54:51 PM
Yes, well done, Alexi!

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on July 15, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
Another really good one this year:

'Guava'...I believe Walter said he got this from a gentleman in West Palm beach and the original tree was being cut down so Walter got some budwood to preserve it


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I wonder if it has a strong guava flavor since it was given that name.  8)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 15, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
Another really good one this year:

'Guava'...I believe Walter said he got this from a gentleman in West Palm beach and the original tree was being cut down so Walter got some budwood to preserve it


Yes, that is correct on its origin.  Beyond that, its actual origian/parentage is anybody's guess. 

Alexi - when ripe it does have a guava aroma and at a certain stage of rioeness, the flesh tends to have a guava aroma and a slight guava flavor.  When it gets fully ripe it tends to lose that guava flavor but is still an excellent, complex mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 15, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
Rob, is it a Top-Five mango, a Top-Ten, or neither?  In your opinion, of course.
Kent is Top five due to when it comes in, after the mid July South Florida mango glut, mango peak. So it will not beat prime July mangoes, and the new Zill mangoes, but those are eaten and gone when Kent rolls in

Thanks, zands.  Rob, what do you think?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on July 15, 2014, 07:49:03 PM
Devoured my first Seacrest, which was supplied by Rob over the weekend. No pictures, but nicely ripened to a full yellow color. Very Citrusy undertones with the flavor, somewhat more understated than lemon zest. Gotta say, I'm digging the citrusy mangoes that I have tried this year. Very pleasing flavor. Super juicy and delicious.

Seacrest is definitely a top tier mango, up there with the best. Of the ones I tasted this year, I most enjoyed the Seacrest, Coconut Cream, Val Carrie and the Guava mango. Another variety that made it to the "best of" list for me was the Peach mango. It is small but incredibly delicious. 


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mikesid on July 15, 2014, 08:08:07 PM
Devoured my first Seacrest, which was supplied by Rob over the weekend. No pictures, but nicely ripened to a full yellow color. Very Citrusy undertones with the flavor, somewhat more understated than lemon zest. Gotta say, I'm digging the citrusy mangoes that I have tried this year. Very pleasing flavor. Super juicy and delicious.

Seacrest is definitely a top tier mango, up there with the best. Of the ones I tasted this year, I most enjoyed the Seacrest, Coconut Cream, Val Carrie and the Guava mango. Another variety that made it to the "best of" list for me was the Peach mango. It is small but incredibly delicious.
Funny, these were my four favorite of the year too...
#1--Coconut Cream really knocked my socks off...much better than I had last year..I can now see why this was patented...I even sent some guys from the fire dept over to Walters and they are planting this now at their houses
The
#2--Seacrest---citrusy, sweet..excellent. My girls say it's their favorite now.. I would plant this if given the opportunity..
#3--Guava--excellent, complex, with slight guava flavor
#4--Valcarrie--another top mango with great flavor

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 16, 2014, 08:04:49 AM
Devoured my first Seacrest, which was supplied by Rob over the weekend. No pictures, but nicely ripened to a full yellow color. Very Citrusy undertones with the flavor, somewhat more understated than lemon zest. Gotta say, I'm digging the citrusy mangoes that I have tried this year. Very pleasing flavor. Super juicy and delicious.

Seacrest is definitely a top tier mango, up there with the best. Of the ones I tasted this year, I most enjoyed the Seacrest, Coconut Cream, Val Carrie and the Guava mango. Another variety that made it to the "best of" list for me was the Peach mango. It is small but incredibly delicious.
Funny, these were my four favorite of the year too...
#1--Coconut Cream really knocked my socks off...much better than I had last year..I can now see why this was patented...I even sent some guys from the fire dept over to Walters and they are planting this now at their houses
The
#2--Seacrest---citrusy, sweet..excellent. My girls say it's their favorite now.. I would plant this if given the opportunity..
#3--Guava--excellent, complex, with slight guava flavor
#4--Valcarrie--another top mango with great flavor

And where did you guys get these from?  Walter Zill in east Boynton?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 16, 2014, 08:11:43 AM
Yes, they are from Walter's and Verna's.  Unfortunately they are done for the season.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 16, 2014, 11:56:41 AM
Rob, is it a Top-Five mango, a Top-Ten, or neither?  In your opinion, of course.
Kent is Top five due to when it comes in, after the mid July South Florida mango glut, mango peak. So it will not beat prime July mangoes, and the new Zill mangoes, but those are eaten and gone when Kent rolls in

Thanks, zands.  Rob, what do you think?

Top 5 in general?  No, its not that good but rating a mango when compared to thers is very variable.  It might perform better if the Kent was picked and ripened optimally and it was up against/compared to some of the other late season varieties or it was tasted along side of a possible better variety that was not ripened properly or just a bad specmen.

I do think, when at its best, is easily better than Keitt, Gold Nuggett or a poor Neelam however a properly ripened Beverly or Neelam will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 16, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
Yes, they are from Walter's and Verna's.  Unfortunately they are done for the season.

Then we'll try them next year.  What do the Zills still have available or coming up?  Does anyone sell Mahachanok mangos?  Maybe Truly Tropical?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 16, 2014, 03:23:48 PM
Yes, they are from Walter's and Verna's.  Unfortunately they are done for the season.

Then we'll try them next year.  What do the Zills still have available or coming up?  Does anyone sell Mahachanok mangos?  Maybe Truly Tropical?

Check the "buy/sell" section for what is currently available.  I see they updated it today.  I know they will also have Keitt available soon.  I also suggest just stopping by, other than what they list, you never know what odds and ends may be available.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 17, 2014, 11:44:23 PM
Here is an Elephant Tusk mango I picked up from Truly Tropical


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This was my first time trying this mango, definitely interesting shape and name, though to me looks more like a rhino horn than elephant tusk ; ) This mango was a nice size weighing in at ~1.4lbs and 6.5in in length. The outside color was a yellowing green which felt soft and ready to eat despite the green patches. Upon cutting open the mango I noticed it had jelly seed surrounded by bright yellow flesh. This jelly seed was not pleasing and I still ate the fiberless flesh around the long slender seed. Out of all the mangos I have ever eaten, this mango tasted the most like banana, and to be more specific a green banana.... Unfortunately, I am not a fan of green bananas and likewise didn't really enjoy this mango, but it very well could have been I needed a better specimen to sample. All subjective taste aside, above are the pics.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 24, 2014, 08:25:22 PM
Simmonds

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The flesh was dark orange, fiberless and reminded me of the texture of canned peaches in syrup. It left a fair amount of juice on the cutting board and fingers.  It has a moderately sweet, citrusy taste that I found mellow and agreeable... like Sunny Delight beverage. As the flesh melted in my mouth, I got a distinct hit of the "cola syrup" flavor pattern found in the ZINC and Sweet Tart.. and then, finally, a sub-resinous & faintly "clean" taste. To me it tasted like an Edward X ZINC cross - less sweet than the Edward, less chalky & cola-y than the ZINC.  Smooth, no spicy or sour. A vintage mango cultivar of good eating quality.

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Source: Squam256's mango stand at 1010 Camelita Rd, WPB, FL


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 24, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
Great review (and pictures) of the 'Simmonds' mango fruit, thank you Brett.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 28, 2014, 08:20:15 AM
Valencia Pride

Originally a Haden seedling. This one is believed to come from a S. Florida commercial production crop. Flesh is yellow and has a little more subtle fiber (let's call it 'texture') than the smooth, creamy Edwards-type mangos. Moderately sweet, suave and delicious "tropical" taste. Flavor notes of: tangerine, plant-ripened pineapple, longan and coconut water. Almost no resin flavors, pleasant orange juice aftertaste.


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Source: Don Victorio's Produce Market - 7504 S Dixie Hwy, West Palm Beach, FL 33405. A good source for for seasonal tropical fruit, local and imported.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 28, 2014, 02:01:34 PM
That VP in the picture does not even look like its fully ripe. they are really good tasting, your description is spot on though.  bit of pineapple coconut thing  going on for sure.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 28, 2014, 05:11:44 PM
The VP in Brett's picture looks pretty ripe to members. Dirty but ripe.  His description is pretty spot on except I cannot say I have ever detected any coconut or Longman taste. The citrus with a hint of pineapple acidity seems to dominate and be the basic overall flavor. If I had to guess, if there was any taste of longan I would say it may have been a touch overripe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 28, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
Here is a San Felipe mango, next to an LZ for perspective. It is large, colorful, not at all unpleasant.

This particular fruit was plucked from a young tree; I suspect in later years the fruit will have a richer flavor.

For more info: http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/san-felipe-mango.shtml (http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/san-felipe-mango.shtml)


(http://s29.postimg.cc/uh9kp61mb/San_Felipe.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/uh9kp61mb/)



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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 28, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Dan - was that overripe or did it have some jelly seed issues?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 28, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Rob, I don't think there was jelly seed. Flesh was firm, even by seed, no off flavors or translucent ick.

It may well have been past its peak ripeness.  It is the only one I have tasted in 2 or 3 years, so I don't have anything to go on.    I suspect I was ill-advised to try it on the same day I consumed a Sweet Tart and an LZ.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 28, 2014, 09:10:48 PM
No actual reviews to share; just several Zill cultivars that I have enjoyed recently.


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(http://s29.postimg.cc/w7oxfnrn7/Peach_Cobbler.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/w7oxfnrn7/)

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(Seacrest revealed)

If Gary came up with some awful mangos during his trials, he doesn't seem to be selling the fruit from them.   :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 28, 2014, 09:26:25 PM
There were some bad ones in Gary's trials, real bad ones...they have long gotten the axe and no longer exist.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on July 29, 2014, 02:22:48 PM
So Dan - not even one favorite or knocked-my-socks-off
mango from these 5 fruities????


Gari
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 03, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
Gary, they were all delicious, and no one stood out for me.

The ones that especially impressed me this year are Fruit Punch, Zinc*, and Taralay.   

I had tasted all of these a year or two ago. But for whatever reason they seemed especially rich and wonderful this year.

*Please forgive me for not capitalizing all 4 letters. Even though the name is an acronym, it still feels like SHOUTING.     
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DurianLover on August 05, 2014, 06:40:44 PM
So,  after 3 weeks of having numerous FL mangoes everyday, 100+ lb consumed its time for some reviews.
First some bad and good news. There is much excitement about some newer Zill varieties, including many ahh's and wows. So, I expected to have almost divine experience, even had an open mind of mangoes possibly challenging durian as my favorite fruit. Well, it did't really happen that way. Premier mangoes did not challenge premier durians. Sorry to say on this sacred thread to mango fans. Good news, my respect and appreciation for mangoes increased dramatically. Actually its battling few other fruits for my Nr. 2 favorite fruit of all time. Perhaps one variety is even wining the battle for entire mango family. While most varieties I think fall anywhere between just ok to very good, I only want to review excellent mangoes. Only varieties I would be glad to have everyday for the rest of my life, and what makes them so special.

Maha Chanok: Its probably the hardest mango to put any flavor description on it. Its not a typical mango flavor, not orange or guava. Pleasingly unique and very nice. Actually I can understand why some call it crazy complex and some bland mango. I feel like whether you like it or not, it has a lot to do with every individual and his taste perception.

NDM: Love flavor of this mango. It is also one of the sweetest mangoes I tried. Major factor is silky smooth, almost gelatinous texture, making overall experience very enjoyable.  I come across couple NDM specimens that also had few floral tones mixed in, making it rather complex mango. Floral tones are exception and you won't find them in every NDM.

Carrie: Finally a break from all those mild tasting FL varieties!! Strong flavor plus piney taste made of of my favorites. Supposedly has very short window for perfection. I tried 5 Carries in various stages, and they were all excellent mangoes. Failed to see all that fuss about window of perfection and hate relationship some people have to this variety. Also refrigerated Carries are simply awesome. Refrigeration actually increases overall appeal with Carrie. It isn't necessarily true with other varieties.

COC: First of all many thanks to very kind forum member for giving me last fruit hanging on his tree. Very underrated mango. I think only 2-3 forum members are growing it, so its one of the reason you never hear anything about this mango.
I find COC similiar to Lemon Zest in many ways as I had them one after another. Strong citrusy taste/acidity with plenty of sweetness. Actually both sweetness and citrusy acidity are even stronger on this mango than on LZ. However, its just not as balanced overall as LZ, therefore I put it just a half step behind LZ. Also fruit was very clean and good size.  A must try IMHO. One day after I tasted, bsbullie and Cookie Man posted how much they like this mango. I guess my experience wasn't a fluke than.

Duncan: Most people consider this anywhere from good to excellent. I had the same opinion. I changed my mind when Alex (squam256) picked the most perfect fruits out of big pile of Duncans. I peeled them like potatoes (this method eliminates any chances of bitter skin), cut off the slice and wow! The most perfect Duncan of my life. I felt like it was right up there with all premier varieties. Something irresistible about that mellow delicate taste working with few tones in the background.  And I'm not even a fan of mild tasting mangoes mind you! I felt like a fool for never requesting Duncan budwood. Another factor to overall appeal is silky smooth texture. Different from all mangoes. Even some gelatinous tones, although not the same gelatinous as NDM.  Again fruit must be perfect and almost overripe for me in order to compete with other premier varieties.

Keshar: I'm cheating here, because fruits were actually imported from India. I tried four Indian varieties in grown in FL, and none of them were as good as Keshar. Flavor can be described as very concentrated mango flavor, a mango flavor on steroids. Not comparable to any other mango.

Coconut Cream: I had very high expectations from this mango, and probably its the reason for my disappointment. Not as buttery as I expected and coconut flavor not as strong as in Bounty candy bar.  Nevertheless its one of the very best and absolutely deserves premier mango status.

Lemon Zest: Everything has already been said about this mango. Tuned almost to a perfection. My firs LZ tasted like lemon and orange fused together, and than this new variety of citrus fused with mango one more time. Second LZ tasted a lot more "lemony", and think it was the only fruit deserved its LZ name. After that every LZ tasted somewhat the same. "Lemony", "orangey" tones with mango fusion. I want to mention that I find Brett Borders as the most accurate mango reviewer. I think he correctly argued people calling it crazy complex. I agree with his description. LZ isn't much complex, rather simply pure and sublime.

Sweet Tart:  You bite few times, and than you stop and think. What's going on here? There is explosions of sweet, acid, and tart. Tart being most prominent flavor. Sometimes I think I don't like this mango. Too much tart. But than I would change my mind one minute later, and think this is an awesome mango! I guess its just one of the tricks this mango plays with your mind. Some people never get used to strong tart component, so you have to try for yourself. If you like it, than you really going to like this mango. Also its the only mango you taste long after last bite. For this reason at one point I made a habit to finish every mango meal with ST.

Orange Sherbet! The King of Florida mangoes! More "orangey" than LZ, sweeter than LZ or NDM, more creamy and buttery than CC or any other mango for that matter. Sweet and sublime orange flavor ice cream in mango form!  I guess OS will always be compared to LZ. I had 12 LZ total from five different sources and six OS. Two times I had OS right after LZ. So think I got pretty good grip on comparing these mangoes.  Every time I found everything about OS better than LZ (except size). Couple pictures here. LZ and OS for comparison, and few OS one day before being ripe. Absolutely the most anthracnose free post harvest mango variety I encountered in FL.  Always very clean, and Walter Zill never sprays. As I finish my last OS,  frustration and even anger sets in for not having this mango available to public. So sad, OS I will miss you dearly!

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: edself65 on August 05, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
Like! Ha ha! I agree with you about the Orange Sherbert! I also like the fruit size! Just enough to really enjoy!

Ed

So,  after 3 weeks of having numerous FL mangoes everyday, 100+ lb consumed its time for some reviews.
First some bad and good news. There is much excitement about some newer Zill varieties, including many ahh's and wows. So, I expected to have almost divine experience, even had an open mind of mangoes possibly challenging durian as my favorite fruit. Well, it did't really happen that way. Premier mangoes did not challenge premier durians. Sorry to say on this sacred thread to mango fans. Good news, my respect and appreciation for mangoes increased dramatically. Actually its battling few other fruits for my Nr. 2 favorite fruit of all time. Perhaps one variety is even wining the battle for entire mango family. While most varieties I think fall anywhere between just ok to very good, I only want to review excellent mangoes. Only varieties I would be glad to have everyday for the rest of my life, and what makes them so special.

Maha Chanok: Its probably the hardest mango to put any flavor description on it. Its not a typical mango flavor, not orange or guava. Pleasingly unique and very nice. Actually I can understand why some call it crazy complex and some bland mango. I feel like whether you like it or not, it has a lot to do with every individual and his taste perception.

NDM: Love flavor of this mango. It is also one of the sweetest mangoes I tried. Major factor is silky smooth, almost gelatinous texture, making overall experience very enjoyable.  I come across couple NDM specimens that also had few floral tones mixed in, making it rather complex mango. Floral tones are exception and you won't find them in every NDM.

Carrie: Finally a break from all those mild tasting FL varieties!! Strong flavor plus piney taste made of of my favorites. Supposedly has very short window for perfection. I tried 5 Carries in various stages, and they were all excellent mangoes. Failed to see all that fuss about window of perfection and hate relationship some people have to this variety. Also refrigerated Carries are simply awesome. Refrigeration actually increases overall appeal with Carrie. It isn't necessarily true with other varieties.

COC: First of all many thanks to very kind forum member for giving me last fruit hanging on his tree. Very underrated mango. I think only 2-3 forum members are growing it, so its one of the reason you never hear anything about this mango.
I find COC similiar to Lemon Zest in many ways as I had them one after another. Strong citrusy taste/acidity with plenty of sweetness. Actually both sweetness and citrusy acidity are even stronger on this mango than on LZ. However, its just not as balanced overall as LZ, therefore I put it just a half step behind LZ. Also fruit was very clean and good size.  A must try IMHO. One day after I tasted, bsbullie and Cookie Man posted how much they like this mango. I guess my experience wasn't a fluke than.

Duncan: Most people consider this anywhere from good to excellent. I had the same opinion. I changed my mind when Alex (squam256) picked the most perfect fruits out of big pile of Duncans. I peeled them like potatoes (this method eliminates any chances of bitter skin), cut off the slice and wow! The most perfect Duncan of my life. I felt like it was right up there with all premier varieties. Something irresistible about that mellow delicate taste working with few tones in the background.  And I'm not even a fan of mild tasting mangoes mind you! I felt like a fool for never requesting Duncan budwood. Another factor to overall appeal is silky smooth texture. Different from all mangoes. Even some gelatinous tones, although not the same gelatinous as NDM.  Again fruit must be perfect and almost overripe for me in order to compete with other premier varieties.

Keshar: I'm cheating here, because fruits were actually imported from India. I tried four Indian varieties in grown in FL, and none of them were as good as Keshar. Flavor can be described as very concentrated mango flavor, a mango flavor on steroids. Not comparable to any other mango.

Coconut Cream: I had very high expectations from this mango, and probably its the reason for my disappointment. Not as buttery as I expected and coconut flavor not as strong as in Bounty candy bar.  Nevertheless its one of the very best and absolutely deserves premier mango status.

Lemon Zest: Everything has already been said about this mango. Tuned almost to a perfection. My firs LZ tasted like lemon and orange fused together, and than this new variety of citrus fused with mango one more time. Second LZ tasted a lot more "lemony", and think it was the only fruit deserved its LZ name. After that every LZ tasted somewhat the same. "Lemony", "orangey" tones with mango fusion. I want to mention that I find Brett Borders as the most accurate mango reviewer. I think he correctly argued people calling it crazy complex. I agree with his description. LZ isn't much complex, rather simply pure and sublime.

Sweet Tart:  You bite few times, and than you stop and think. What's going on here? There is explosions of sweet, acid, and tart. Tart being most prominent flavor. Sometimes I think I don't like this mango. Too much tart. But than I would change my mind one minute later, and think this is an awesome mango! I guess its just one of the tricks this mango plays with your mind. Some people never get used to strong tart component, so you have to try for yourself. If you like it, than you really going to like this mango. Also its the only mango you taste long after last bite. For this reason at one point I made a habit to finish every mango meal with ST.

Orange Sherbet! The King of Florida mangoes! More "orangey" than LZ, sweeter than LZ or NDM, more creamy and buttery than CC or any other mango for that matter. Sweet and sublime orange flavor ice cream in mango form!  I guess OS will always be compared to LZ. I had 12 LZ total from five different sources and six OS. Two times I had OS right after LZ. So think I got pretty good grip on comparing these mangoes.  Every time I found everything about OS better than LZ (except size). Couple pictures here. LZ and OS for comparison, and few OS one day before being ripe. Absolutely the most anthracnose free post harvest mango variety I encountered in FL.  Always very clean, and Walter Zill never sprays. As I finish my last OS,  frustration and even anger sets in for not having this mango available to public. So sad, OS I will miss you dearly!

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on August 05, 2014, 07:11:39 PM
Wow. Awesome reviews. Mabye, just mabye, OS will be propagated to satisfy some prelimanary demand (just like Dupuis Saigon). I kind of agreee with you on Maha Chanok on being a pretty bland mango. Don't know if you detected it in your samples, but the ones I've had had a pleasant, perfumious, turpentiney taste about it. And a prestine exterior with a unique shape. Is Keshar = Kesar ?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 05, 2014, 07:32:47 PM
Wow. Awesome reviews. Mabye, just mabye, OS will be propagated to satisfy some prelimanary demand (just like Dupuis Saigon). I kind of agreee with you on Maha Chanok on being a pretty bland mango. Don't know if you detected it in your samples, but the ones I've had had a pleasant, perfumious, turpentiney taste about it. And a prestine exterior with a unique shape. Is Keshar = Kesar ?

Read review over again.  He actually really liked Mahachanok.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on August 05, 2014, 07:44:07 PM
DurianLover did say, "Actually I can understand why some call it crazy complex and some bland mango"- that's where I'm agreeing with him on. The bland part.  ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Obet on August 05, 2014, 08:14:40 PM
very nice reviews and great pics! Love the pics of that Orange Sherbet. Finally seen one beside a Lemon Zest.Based on your taste review on OS, disease resistance, skin coloration and appearance,descent size, definitely it belongs to one of the top notch mangoes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: rbody2 on August 05, 2014, 09:36:45 PM
Thanks for the review.  I'm interested in three varieties that you reviewed so it was very helpful, especially the CC review.  Originally, I felt that it might be to buttery/creamy for my taste buds from other descriptions I have read, but now it sounds perfect!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 05, 2014, 10:12:21 PM
I think some of the l eople saying Mahachanok is b l and nay be eatinf fruit from young trees or some other issue.  While it is not the very best ( although some rank it their best), it is an outstanding mango.

While I agree Orange Sherbert is a very clean tree and fruit, so is Lemon Zest and Coconut Cream for that matter.   While the Orange Sherbert in the prior puctures are smaller than Lemon Zest,  I have seen trees that produce fruit every bit as large as Lemon Zest.   Every Orange Sherbert I have had are softer in texture and goes overripe faster. Oh, for those wondering and hoping, dont expect to see trees available for at least a few years at best....and thats IF....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BestDay on August 06, 2014, 01:01:25 AM
Any word on when and if Fruit Punch will be propagated?  Any info on its disease resistance or production? 

Bill
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 06, 2014, 01:05:25 AM
[quote author=BestDay link=topic=6398.msg154503#msg154503 date=140730128rambling post from my phone, you shohld find I fo using search feature. ny word on when and if Fruit Punch will be propagated?  Any info on its disease resistance or production? 

Bill
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I have posted a number of times in multiple threads....to avoid another ramb
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BestDay on August 07, 2014, 02:22:43 AM
I did try the search feature and did find some info on it but none regarding disease resistance and production. Any info?

Bill
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 07, 2014, 11:38:23 AM
Rob said they are not in a hurry to release Fruit Punch. It would probably not be available until 2016 ... IF it becomes available.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 07, 2014, 01:06:11 PM
I'm sorry guys, another disappointing year for my Maha's - bland,
somewhat sweet but not really, subtly floral but barely, just blah.....

I don't know if it's my soil, my desert HOT climate, the age of the trees - 3 (Rob!),
or what.......I bought a second tree last year just because of the hype
and hope I would enjoy them.....sigh......guess we'll see how that one produces
next year....

And don't know what I can add to the mix.  I've added minors and plenty of phosphorous
and potassium....calcium.....

I know, I know......"patience, grasshopper..."


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrry

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomaniac2 on August 07, 2014, 05:54:09 PM
Mangofang, I think you are over watering and that may be why the blah flavor. Mine are anything but blah. Possibly you may not have in enough direct sunlight. If the plant heats up it will kick out a lot of sugars and flavor. The more water they get the more they tend to remain on the cool side and do not get as sweet. same thing with nectarines and peaches too.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomaniac2 on August 07, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
One other possibility I just thought of is maybe too much nutrients. I know mine tend to spend a fair amount of time in the chlorotic stage where nutrients are not being consumed as well as they should and are partially locked out due to high PH. Based on what I have read about mangos I am pretty sure this is contributing to increased flavor and sugars.
Title: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: edself65 on August 07, 2014, 11:05:57 PM
I ate my last Edgar mango today and found it to be even better than the first! Nice, melting, fiberless and delicious fruit!
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Title: Re: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: MangoFang on August 07, 2014, 11:09:08 PM
smooth looking, Ed.....

Gary
Title: Re: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: bsbullie on August 07, 2014, 11:09:14 PM
You still had that from what I sent you?
Title: Re: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: edself65 on August 07, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
Yes. I put it in the fridge after it looked ready to eat It was better than the first one. That was the last one I had left. I tried to pace,myself!

Ed

You still had that from what I sent you?
Title: Re: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: Ethan on August 07, 2014, 11:49:39 PM
Looks yummy!
Title: Re: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: edself65 on August 07, 2014, 11:53:24 PM
It was definitely a good one!
Ed
Title: Re: Another Mango that i enjoyed today!
Post by: zands on August 08, 2014, 07:18:16 AM
I give Edgar a +++++ vote too
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoFang on August 09, 2014, 12:31:57 AM
mangomaniac - I don't think it is overwatered.  In fact it gets less water than some of my other mangoes. - plus, my soil is sandy...I'm not sure you CAN overwater...and it gets plenty of sun where it is planted....now the ph thing could be a factor, although the other mangoes don't seem to suffer at all being in the same situation, and I really don't have the desire to do what I'd need to do to change that.  I'td have to be a case of acidifying the soil - I don't know .....just seems like too much trouble.

I think I will add nothing to the soil for the next couple years, give it some time (nod to Rob!) to mature a bit and then judge what I will do with it.  It's just such a damned gorgeous mango.

(sorry for the semi-hijacking of the thread....)


Gary
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 09, 2014, 12:40:43 AM
Gary - is anybody else fruiting Mahachanok in California?   It may be young tree issue, may be something else, or maybe youjust have no taste buds...just kidding.   Until someone else confirms that they have fruited Mahachanok in California with the same results,  its hard to tell if its isolated or the outside chance that maybe its a variety that does not produce well, taste-wise, in California.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: rliou on August 09, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
I live in cerritos , california and my maha did fruit this year.  Its a young tree (around 3 years) in a pot.  It gave me 3 decent fruits with 3 splits this year.  Flavor is quite sweet and juicy but has an almost minty/juicyfruit aftertaste.  I did harvest the fruits a but early since they were splitting so it may not be optimal in terms of maximal flavoring.  But i woildnt say its bland.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 09, 2014, 01:20:29 AM
I live in cerritos , california and my maha did fruit this year.  Its a young tree (around 3 years) in a pot.  It gave me 3 decent fruits with 3 splits this year.  Flavor is quite sweet and juicy but has an almost minty/juicyfruit aftertaste.  I did harvest the fruits a but early since they were splitting so it may not be optimal in terms of maximal flavoring.  But i woildnt say its bland.

Thanks, and that a young tree in a pot.  Do you plan on putting it into the ground?   I understand,  even in Florida,  its not everyone's favorite but its not cause its bland or poor quality/taste.  Its more like Carrie,  many people love it, say its their favorite and its tadte is second to none.  To me, if Carrie was the only mango available,  I would most likely not like mangoes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Felipe on August 09, 2014, 04:37:09 AM
Gary, have you tried adding manure or compost to the soil? IMO if you have a sandy soil, manure or compost helps to improve the soil quality, with the consequence of a  healthier tree and higher fuit quality. I have noticed, that trees with manure perform much better compared to trees that only recieve mineral fertilizers.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 09, 2014, 06:40:49 AM
Gary, have you tried adding manure or compost to the soil? IMO if you have a sandy soil, manure or compost helps to improve the soil quality, with the consequence of a  healthier tree and higher fuit quality. I have noticed, that trees with manure perform much better compared to trees that only recieve mineral fertilizers.

depending on the kind of manure you use and its state of composting,  it could actually be detrimental to the mango tree.due to high nitrogen content.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mangosurf on November 02, 2014, 11:37:43 PM
Gary- what was your source for the maha tree? I wonder if there is any variation in fruit quality/flavor between the different maha suppliers.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bangkok on November 03, 2014, 01:01:11 AM
Gary if your maha's smell a bit weird then you 've got the same ones we have here.

Adding potassium will make mango's sweet and as i posted before from mr. Duzon's website they can stand much potassium. He recommends very much 0-0-60 but if you want to play it safe then you can go for organic potassium like molasses from sugarcane, woodash from hardwood.
I have vinasse-kali now but maybe you can't find that in the usa.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on May 25, 2015, 08:34:57 PM
Valencia Pride - local commercial crop

When I noticed nice looking Valencia Pride mangos showing up at Don Victorio's Market (7504 S Dixie Hwy, West Palm Beach, FL 33405) in May - big ones for just $0.75 -  I couldn't believe my good luck.  They softened up as expected and when cut, the flesh was the right beautiful yellow shade.  Unfortunately this early crop is totally WASHED OUT in the flavor department. It had a mild, watered-down flavor with just a touch of the cirtus-pineapple lusciousness that last year's late summer crop had. Not a legitimate mango. Hoping for improvement in the later crop with more time on the tree!



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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on May 25, 2015, 09:11:49 PM
Yeah, that is way early for a VP.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on May 25, 2015, 09:16:30 PM
I actually have some full-sized VP's on my tree currently from the intial blooms and smaller ones from a second bloom set.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on May 25, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
I actually have some full-sized VP's on my tree currently from the intial blooms and smaller ones from a second bloom set.

Full sized does not mean they are ready to be harvested.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicalgrower89 on May 26, 2015, 01:17:01 AM
I actually have some full-sized VP's on my tree currently from the intial blooms and smaller ones from a second bloom set.

Full sized does not mean they are ready to be harvested.

I know. I'm just not sure if they will make it to the typical VP season. I never harvest mangoes just because they look mature. Once the vivid ripening colors have a filled in a bit, I'll harvest them and let them finish ripening up outside in the screen enclosure.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on May 26, 2015, 01:29:01 AM
I would just make sure they are really ready to harvest.   I think some people are jumping the gun with picking some mangoes this year.   Yes, the fruit may be ready a bit earlier than normal however I don't think it is as close as some feel.  I saw a 30 year old tree loaded with what looks to be close to mature fruit however some of the large mature looking drops are not ripening,  instead they are rotting from the stem end and/or wrinkling which is a sign of the fruit still being immature. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fisherking73 on May 26, 2015, 02:04:06 AM
So far my PPKs have been delicious!! They have gotten better now around number 6.  Still got about a dozen to go.  Definitely has a sweet lemonish meringue taste to it, good flavor not watered down.  Best way I can describe it is that it just tastes refreshing.  No fiber and plenty juicy, not sloppy juicy, but just right. Can't wait to get my teeth on lemon zest since so many say it is better than the ppk.   All have ripened fully on the tree, picked and then let them sit an extra day.  Now that I have had a few, gonna let one go a bit darker and see what the flavor does when even riper.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on May 26, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
I'm seeing some very large Valencia Pride fruits on my tree for this early in the season.  I have none showing any significant color as of yet, but they are approaching full mature size.  I don't think I have seen this before at my house this early in the year.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fisherking73 on May 26, 2015, 03:03:00 PM
HMHausman if you do set up a stand, I would most definitely be interested  in getting some mangoes.  Looking to taste as many new varieties this summer as I can to make a final decision for last tree.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on May 26, 2015, 05:26:06 PM
HMHausman if you do set up a stand, I would most definitely be interested  in getting some mangoes.  Looking to taste as many new varieties this summer as I can to make a final decision for last tree.

Its up and running now. Selection is still somewhat limited.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gnappi on May 26, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
A member here was gracious enough to give me a few lemon meringue, Nam doc Mai and Carrie (which I have but the Carrie has not bloomed).

All were very good. I think as mango go I prefer the more mango-ey flavors and while the LM and NDM were excellent I couldn't (or wouldn't) eat more than one as they were they satisfying.

My son and I will still take our Glenn over the LM or NDM even though we get an odd Glenn sample with a more "watered down" flavor.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Zeeth on June 04, 2015, 09:44:49 PM
I don't see any turpentine reviews, so here's mine. I collected a few today from my local source. Fruit were just beginning to turn yellow, but one had enough give to cut it open. They're small (about the size of a large apricot), and maybe about half a pound. The flesh to seed ratio was average, and one fruit had about 1/2 as much flesh as a Haden. The flesh was bright yellow and extremely fibrous. The texture was exactly the same as that of a pineapple, and eating this fruit reminded me a lot of eating a pineapple. The taste was pretty good. It was very fruity with some sour components, and actually tasted somewhat like a less tart pineapple. It had a small amount of resinous taste, but not too much. It reminded me of eating a perfectly ripened Tommy Atkins, but I liked this better than the TA, as it had less turpentine flavor (ironically). Overall I liked it, and I would prefer this fruit to something from the store. Now I'm going to plant the seed to grow some rootstocks to practice grafting with!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on June 05, 2015, 08:27:04 AM
I don't see any turpentine reviews, so here's mine. I collected a few today from my local source. Fruit were just beginning to turn yellow, but one had enough give to cut it open. They're small (about the size of a large apricot), and maybe about half a pound. The flesh to seed ratio was average, and one fruit had about 1/2 as much flesh as a Haden. The flesh was bright yellow and extremely fibrous. The texture was exactly the same as that of a pineapple, and eating this fruit reminded me a lot of eating a pineapple. The taste was pretty good. It was very fruity with some sour components, and actually tasted somewhat like a less tart pineapple. It had a small amount of resinous taste, but not too much. It reminded me of eating a perfectly ripened Tommy Atkins, but I liked this better than the TA, as it had less turpentine flavor (ironically). Overall I liked it, and I would prefer this fruit to something from the store. Now I'm going to plant the seed to grow some rootstocks to practice grafting with!

LOL......thanks for the review.  It took some level of nerve to actually do this on this mango snob infested forum.  It should have been done long ago.  Good work.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 05, 2015, 09:35:15 AM
 ;D
I don't see any turpentine reviews, so here's mine. I collected a few today from my local source. Fruit were just beginning to turn yellow, but one had enough give to cut it open. They're small (about the size of a large apricot), and maybe about half a pound. The flesh to seed ratio was average, and one fruit had about 1/2 as much flesh as a Haden. The flesh was bright yellow and extremely fibrous. The texture was exactly the same as that of a pineapple, and eating this fruit reminded me a lot of eating a pineapple. The taste was pretty good. It was very fruity with some sour components, and actually tasted somewhat like a less tart pineapple. It had a small amount of resinous taste, but not too much. It reminded me of eating a perfectly ripened Tommy Atkins, but I liked this better than the TA, as it had less turpentine flavor (ironically). Overall I liked it, and I would prefer this fruit to something from the store. Now I'm going to plant the seed to grow some rootstocks to practice grafting with!

LOL......thanks for the review.  It took some level of nerve to actually do this on this mango snob infested forum.  It should have been done long ago.  Good work.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: From the sea on June 05, 2015, 09:41:03 AM
I don't see any turpentine reviews, so here's mine. I collected a few today from my local source. Fruit were just beginning to turn yellow, but one had enough give to cut it open. They're small (about the size of a large apricot), and maybe about half a pound. The flesh to seed ratio was average, and one fruit had about 1/2 as much flesh as a Haden. The flesh was bright yellow and extremely fibrous. The texture was exactly the same as that of a pineapple, and eating this fruit reminded me a lot of eating a pineapple. The taste was pretty good. It was very fruity with some sour components, and actually tasted somewhat like a less tart pineapple. It had a small amount of resinous taste, but not too much. It reminded me of eating a perfectly ripened Tommy Atkins, but I liked this better than the TA, as it had less turpentine flavor (ironically). Overall I liked it, and I would prefer this fruit to something from the store. Now I'm going to plant the seed to grow some rootstocks to practice grafting with!

when they are real ripe roll it on a hard surface until squishy then pop a hole in it and suck out the pulp, that's my favorite way to eat a fibrous  mango
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 05, 2015, 10:26:13 AM
Why are we "reviewing " a Turpentine?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 05, 2015, 10:33:20 AM
because some people haven't had the luxury yet...but more likely, they need future rootstocks.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on June 05, 2015, 11:26:52 AM
I don't see any turpentine reviews, so here's mine. I collected a few today from my local source. Fruit were just beginning to turn yellow, but one had enough give to cut it open. They're small (about the size of a large apricot), and maybe about half a pound. The flesh to seed ratio was average, and one fruit had about 1/2 as much flesh as a Haden. The flesh was bright yellow and extremely fibrous. The texture was exactly the same as that of a pineapple, and eating this fruit reminded me a lot of eating a pineapple. The taste was pretty good. It was very fruity with some sour components, and actually tasted somewhat like a less tart pineapple. It had a small amount of resinous taste, but not too much. It reminded me of eating a perfectly ripened Tommy Atkins, but I liked this better than the TA, as it had less turpentine flavor (ironically). Overall I liked it, and I would prefer this fruit to something from the store. Now I'm going to plant the seed to grow some rootstocks to practice grafting with!

I knew this mango tree that froze (1988 or so) down to the turpentine rootstock. The rootstock recovered and branched out into a real tree.  Putting out  these small yellow  mangoes. They were like yours but larger than apricots.  A bit turpy I suppose but I loved eating them. They had more taste than a bland Glenn.
BTW my Glenn tree put out zero watery bland fruit this year. They all had full flavor and were delicious
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 05, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
because some people haven't had the luxury yet...but more likely, they need future rootstocks.

I dont know of many people who consume the fruit that they harvest fior rootstocvk.  Just sayin'...   ::)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Zeeth on June 05, 2015, 04:07:54 PM
Why are we "reviewing " a Turpentine?

Why not? I needed some rootstocks and they taste pretty good as long as you can get past the high fiber. Based off what I've heard here you'd expect them to be awful.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 05, 2015, 04:37:19 PM
Why are we "reviewing " a Turpentine?

Why not? I needed some rootstocks and they taste pretty good as long as you can get past the high fiber. Based off what I've heard here you'd expect them to be awful.

While you are completely entitle to your opinion, if you feel a turpentine tastes good, you really need to try other varieties.  As I have stated similarly, if my choices of mangoes were Tommy Atkins, Turpentine, Carrie and some select others, I would not be eating any mangoes at all.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Zeeth on June 05, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
Why are we "reviewing " a Turpentine?

Why not? I needed some rootstocks and they taste pretty good as long as you can get past the high fiber. Based off what I've heard here you'd expect them to be awful.

While you are completely entitle to your opinion, if you feel a turpentine tastes good, you really need to try other varieties.  As I have stated similarly, if my choices of mangoes were Tommy Atkins, Turpentine, Carrie and some select others, I would not be eating any mangoes at all.

Well sorry for posting a mango review in the mango review thread lol
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: RichardN on June 06, 2015, 02:57:06 AM
Why are we "reviewing " a Turpentine?

Why not? I needed some rootstocks and they taste pretty good as long as you can get past the high fiber. Based off what I've heard here you'd expect them to be awful.

While you are completely entitle to your opinion, if you feel a turpentine tastes good, you really need to try other varieties.  As I have stated similarly, if my choices of mangoes were Tommy Atkins, Turpentine, Carrie and some select others, I would not be eating any mangoes at all.
Rob,
Why you don't like Carrie? Is carrie to much for you?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 06, 2015, 06:21:37 AM
Why dont i like Carrie?   Its not due to its "strong" flavor.   I actually like stronger flavored mangoes.  It  just has a specific distinct flavor that i do not like.  Dont know any better way to say it.  From the people i have seen, its either a love - hate response with Carrie.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gnappi on June 06, 2015, 10:02:40 PM
I knew this mango tree that froze (1988 or so) down to the turpentine rootstock. The rootstock recovered and branched out into a real tree.  Putting out  these small yellow  mangoes. They were like yours but larger than apricots.  A bit turpy I suppose but I loved eating them. They had more taste than a bland Glenn.
BTW my Glenn tree put out zero watery bland fruit this year. They all had full flavor and were delicious

I have a mango filled with stringy fiber with a very strong "turpy" flavor, I hated it the first couple of years it produced, but last and this year I'm loving it! My Glenn has overall been anything but bland, the few that were less flavorful were small drops.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 12, 2015, 10:30:27 AM
Fruit Punch

(http://s11.postimg.cc/k81tb2dnj/Fruit_Punch1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/k81tb2dnj/)

The first unripe Fruit Punch mango I saw had beautiful bands of green, gold and red. After 5 days of ripening my 1 lb. 3oz (544g) specimen, I cut it open to reveal standard orange fiberless flesh. The first bite was followed by an eye-popping, euphoric blast of acidity and intense sweetness. It was like eating powdered drink mix straight out of the packet -- sugar crystals + citric acid + artificial flavoring. It wasn't Kool Aid or red Hawaiian Punch... more like a cross between Pink Lemonade and Tang orange drink. After the initial jolt, there was a deep & delicate secondary flavor of yellow rose apple fruit. Third, intermittent waves of classical mango flavor: I could taste the Kent parentage plus a couple funky notes from a Haden. If you eat too close to the skin a bitter-sour buzzkill flavor brings you back to reality.

It was an absolutely delicious, exciting mango that I could not stop eating or thinking about afterwards. If I had to nitpick... I'd subtract half a point for the bitter edges and I would say that it lacks the completely unprecedented & "otherworldly" flavor of a true marvel. Many of the Fruit Punch tastes can be found in other mango cultivars - but not as intense & satisfyingly presented.

(http://s23.postimg.cc/991qr0iav/Fruit_Punch2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/991qr0iav/)
(http://s28.postimg.cc/np3lgqx09/Fruit_Punch3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/np3lgqx09/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on June 12, 2015, 11:11:12 AM
Nice review Brett. I would note that Fruit Punch is actually a seedling of Zill-80. Not that Kent couldn't have been the pollinating parent though.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 12, 2015, 11:13:55 AM
Nice review Brett. I would note that Fruit Punch is actually a seedling of Zill-80. Not that Kent couldn't have been the pollinating parent though.

Maybe he was referring to the fact that Zill 80 is a seedling of Kent?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Zeeth on June 12, 2015, 11:30:33 AM
Fruit punch sounds like it'll be a very popular cultivar among collectors once it's released. Would those of you who've tasted it rate it with the "top tier" mangoes like LZ and CC? (I call those top tier based on what I've heard from others)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 12, 2015, 11:44:43 AM
Zeeth,

I have only tried one Fruit Punch. It is a VERY tasty, very sugary and intense mango. To be it doesn't quite have the intensity of "burst" of flavor as Sweet Tart.,.. but close. But FP packs more flavor "punch" almost any mango I can think of.

 Right now, at this moment... if you place a CC, LZ and FP on the table... I would reach for the Fruit Punch. So yes its "top tier."  But maybe because its is brand new and exciting for me. My preference may change. But I do feel that the FP deserves to be on the same table. I bet most people would like it very much.

That being said, the CC and LZ both have this one-of-a-kind... magical... "I can't believe this is a mango" kind of flavor... that, to me, the Fruit Punch does not have. The Fruit Punch tastes like an amazingly good mango - turned up a notch.







 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 12, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
Sorry Brett but I totally disagree with that assessment.  As you said, Fruit Punch is definitely in that "top tier" group (keeping in mind that in general, tastes are subjective and different people have different tastes) however to go one step further, it has a taste like no other.  Does that mean everyone will love it, no, no such mango exists however I would be that the majority will.  To add to its plusses, the fruit size are large and the tree is very productive.

One mango that can be at the top I am having reservations about.  I am not saying I don't love it but I find from year to year and even fruit to fruit, it has some inconsistencies with respect to taste/qualities...and that is the Coconut Cream.  It also tends to go south fast when too ripe real fast and exhibits that fermented taste when others can be overripe yet still enjoyably consumed.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Andrew on June 12, 2015, 12:43:02 PM
I know that there is very few people who have been lucky enough to try both mangoes. But how does the Fruit Punch compare to the 0-2. I know that they both have some parentage from the Kent tree. So, are the flavores anything alike and what is your favorite.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on June 12, 2015, 12:45:37 PM
I know that there is very few people who have been lucky enough to try both mangoes. But how does the Fruit Punch compare to the 0-2. I know that they both have some parentage from the Kent tree. So, are the flavores anything alike and what is your favorite.

Not similar at all. I like O-2 a lot more.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Andrew on June 12, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
Thanks for the response Squam256. It seems the couple of people who tried the O-2 mango really like it. I just can't figure out why there is not more information on the forum about it. It think it has been out just as long the Fruit Punch or longer . It seems like only three or four people on the forum have tried one as there is little written about it and no real review of the fruit that I could find. If anybody has some pictures and could write a full review of the O-2 I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 13, 2015, 03:08:18 AM
Thanks for the response Squam256. It seems the couple of people who tried the O-2 mango really like it. I just can't figure out why there is not more information on the forum about it. It think it has been out just as long the Fruit Punch or longer . It seems like only three or four people on the forum have tried one as there is little written about it and no real review of the fruit that I could find. If anybody has some pictures and could write a full review of the O-2 I would greatly appreciate it.

Isn't O-2 peach cobbler?  There has been a decent amount written on it, at least from Rob and a few others.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 13, 2015, 06:32:01 AM
Yes, O-2 is Peach Cobbler.  There probsbly is not as much written about it due to the fact that for the most part, only people who ate it when it was still part of Gary's breeding program,  and known as O-2,  are able to tell about it.  It is not planted outand in pproduction by any grower such as Walter Zill where the general public would be able to purchsse, taste and tell about it.  If you are not fortunate to have one planted out since release and having it fruiting or you know Gary/Marlys or have been lucky enough to obtain from ZHPP,  there is little opportunity to have the chance to taste it.

I will however speak highly of its sweet almost tangerine candied flavor.  Is it a pretty mango, not at all but it makes up for it in flavor.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Zeeth on June 13, 2015, 08:46:47 AM
One mango that can be at the top I am having reservations about.  I am not saying I don't love it but I find from year to year and even fruit to fruit, it has some inconsistencies with respect to taste/qualities...and that is the Coconut Cream.  It also tends to go south fast when too ripe real fast and exhibits that fermented taste when others can be overripe yet still enjoyably consumed.

That's unfortunate about the coconut cream. I expected it to be one of the best overall because of the patent (and what I've heard). Fruit punch sounds like it might be a good one, so hopefully it's released soon.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 13, 2015, 10:34:35 AM
still an awesome mango, though
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 14, 2015, 08:46:47 AM
Chokanon

This half-pound (220g) Indo-chinese mango was leftover on the main table of the PB Rare Fruit Council event with Gary Zill. The primary flavor of this mango is sweet: it tastes like honey. There is a slight chalky element to the sweetness. Beyond that... there is a faint, fruity flavor that is like cantaloupe. Eating close to the rind I got little bursts of Indo-chinese resin flavor in some parts of the mango but not in others.  This is a "good" mango that I enjoyed eating, but it did not intrigue or excite my senses like other selections did.

(http://s7.postimg.cc/ve68i2w87/IMG_20150613_074822.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ve68i2w87/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 16, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
Emerald

I picked up this up at Tropical Acres mango stand next to Dreher Park in WPB. It was dark, emerald green and kinda looked like an avocado. I had to let it ripen to a bit softer than I'd have guessed to get the correct, balanced flavor - sampling it too early was shockingly tart. It stays emerald green when ripe.

The flesh was orange and fiberless. The first taste was both acidity and sweetness: a bit like orange juice or sour apple. Beneath that were an array of mellow raspberry (slightly musky) & grape flavors. Sometimes at the very end... and on other bites right alongside all the flavors... there was a superior Indo-chinese resin taste.  Afterwards there was acidic aftertaste like I'd been drinking OJ. Overall I found Emerald to be a complex mango with "excellent" flavor - the only minus point was for the aftertaste.

(http://s16.postimg.cc/ouzoz0oj5/emerald2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ouzoz0oj5/)
(http://s11.postimg.cc/5xo5sxgu7/emerald.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5xo5sxgu7/)


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on June 16, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
I am getting fruit to maturity on my Emerald tree this year for the first time.  It is very hard to know when the mango is at full maturity and peak ripeness.  So far, I would agree with most of your description.  However, for me, I found the mango uninspiring as far as the use of any superlatives. Maybe I am yet to find the one really perfectly ripe fruit.  Stay tuned. I have a few more to experiment with
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 16, 2015, 07:14:52 PM
Thanks for all the great reviews Joe and Brett! Have you guys considered purchasing a refractometer? You guys already give wonderful detailed reviews and Brix readings would be awesome information to have! I'd share mine with you but alas, I'm in California.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 17, 2015, 07:13:11 AM
Harry,

To clarify, I found Emerald to have an excellent flavor, not a superlative or inspiring flavor (e.g., Fruit Punch http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg207108#msg207108 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg207108#msg207108))

my perspective:

Was it better than most of the mangos I tried at Fruit and Spice park? Yes, definitely.

Did I enjoy Emerald's taste more than some of the mangos at Gary Zill's tasting last Friday? Yes. If it had been included in the dozen or so mangoes there, I would have ranked it in the top 5.

I thought its best feature was the resin taste, which was bold like Bombay.

---

Simon,

Thanks for the tip on refractometers. A quick google search brings up some that are under $30? Do these work?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 17, 2015, 07:51:27 AM
I am getting fruit to maturity on my Emerald tree this year for the first time.  It is very hard to know when the mango is at full maturity and peak ripeness.  So far, I would agree with most of your description.  However, for me, I found the mango uninspiring as far as the use of any superlatives. Maybe I am yet to find the one really perfectly ripe fruit.  Stay tuned. I have a few more to experiment with

I was actually quitr confused by the description.   Sweet like orange juice or sour apples...well, sour apples, unless speaking of jolly rancher candy, is not sweet and the orange juice i drink is quite sweet.  Musky raspberry, grapes and shckingly tart.  Overall I would have pitched a fruit that tadtes like that to the scrap pile long before being completely consumed.

As for people now scraping the skin with your teeth while eating from hearing Gary speak...while some may want to sample the resinous tones as an identifier of the fruit,  it can also cause off putting flavors and in some cases, be an irritant to the mouth/throat of the person consuming.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 17, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
I am getting fruit to maturity on my Emerald tree this year for the first time.  It is very hard to know when the mango is at full maturity and peak ripeness.  So far, I would agree with most of your description.  However, for me, I found the mango uninspiring as far as the use of any superlatives. Maybe I am yet to find the one really perfectly ripe fruit.  Stay tuned. I have a few more to experiment with

I was actually quitr confused by the description.   Sweet like orange juice or sour apples...well, sour apples, unless speaking of jolly rancher candy, is not sweet and the orange juice i drink is quite sweet.  Musky raspberry, grapes and shckingly tart.  Overall I would have pitched a fruit that tadtes like that to the scrap pile long before being completely consumed.

As for people now scraping the skin with your teeth while eating from hearing Gary speak...while some may want to sample the resinous tones as an identifier of the fruit,  it can also cause off putting flavors and in some cases, be an irritant to the mouth/throat of the person consuming.

amen! definitely a risk/reward situation.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 17, 2015, 01:47:52 PM
Val-Carrie

I have tried Val-Carrie mangos from 3 different sources this summer and they all tasted identical. I bought this one at Tropical Acres Farms mango stand in West Palm Beach, FL:

(http://s9.postimg.cc/6fwtmd98r/valcarrie1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fwtmd98r/)

My first impressions of this Val-Carrie were sweet and suave. Tastes like Carrie but it has another primary flavor I associate with dried apricot.  It can get creamy, too. When I got to the area right around the seed I had a brief flashback to eating Orange Creamsicles in my childhood. There is also a minor "carrot" element that suggests beta carotene content. The resin taste that comes at the end is fainter than in a Carrie, but it adds an important bit of contrast that completes this mango. There was no aftertaste. I knew it was an "excellent" mango because of how careful I was to eat every bit of it, not letting anything go to waste.

The skin of Val-Carrie looks interesting & 'slightly colorful' ripening up: you can tell it is a mixed race mango. The interior flesh texture is smooth and fine, maybe nicer than many popular mango cultivars. But not as soft as Carrie and it 'holds up' better.

(http://s17.postimg.cc/quniduaor/VP_VC.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/quniduaor/)
Valencia Pride (top) & Val-Carrie (bottom)






Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 17, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
Val Carrie needs to get super ripe to be at its best.  Kind of like a Pickering.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on June 17, 2015, 02:21:30 PM
Val Carrie needs to get super ripe to be at its best.  Kind of like a Pickering.

I'll take the contrary position on this one. I vastly prefer pickering at the earlier stage of ripeness vs. super ripe. Not green and chalky like some people here love, but when it first has a bit of give to it. I find pickering at this stage to have a certain tartness/balance that I much prefer to the flavor on softer ones.

Given that Val Carrie has "Carrie" in the name, I likely won't be trying it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 17, 2015, 02:32:56 PM
Val Carrie needs to get super ripe to be at its best.  Kind of like a Pickering.

I'll take the contrary position on this one. I vastly prefer pickering at the earlier stage of ripeness vs. super ripe. Not green and chalky like some people here love, but when it first has a bit of give to it. I find pickering at this stage to have a certain tartness/balance that I much prefer to the flavor on softer ones.

Given that Val Carrie has "Carrie" in the name, I likely won't be trying it anytime soon.

Pickering are not supposed to be tart...to each their own.   Lol

Val Carrie is far better than Carrie.   No comparison.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on June 17, 2015, 02:34:04 PM

Val Carrie is far better than Carrie.   No comparison.

That's like saying kittens are far better than Hitler.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 17, 2015, 03:30:00 PM
Val Carrie needs to get super ripe to be at its best.  Kind of like a Pickering.

I'll take the contrary position on this one. I vastly prefer pickering at the earlier stage of ripeness vs. super ripe. Not green and chalky like some people here love, but when it first has a bit of give to it. I find pickering at this stage to have a certain tartness/balance that I much prefer to the flavor on softer ones.

Given that Val Carrie has "Carrie" in the name, I likely won't be trying it anytime soon.

Pickering are not supposed to be tart...to each their own.   Lol

Val Carrie is far better than Carrie.   No comparison.

+1, but even though valcarrie is an appropriate spelling, I prefer valkyrie, both because it looks cool, but more importantly, it doesn't remind me that this mango is related to carrie.  Like Jebus and Bullie, I am also a card-carrying member of the Carrie Haters Club.

Thought VC was quite good though, and I didn't let it get really ripe as advised above....will have to try it again at a riper stage, if they are still available next time I head up there.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 17, 2015, 04:16:24 PM
Val Carrie needs to get super ripe to be at its best.  Kind of like a Pickering.

I'll take the contrary position on this one. I vastly prefer pickering at the earlier stage of ripeness vs. super ripe. Not green and chalky like some people here love, but when it first has a bit of give to it. I find pickering at this stage to have a certain tartness/balance that I much prefer to the flavor on softer ones.

Given that Val Carrie has "Carrie" in the name, I likely won't be trying it anytime soon.

Pickering are not supposed to be tart...to each their own.   Lol

Val Carrie is far better than Carrie.   No comparison.

+1, but even though valcarrie is an appropriate spelling, I prefer valkyre, both because it looks cool, but more importantly, it doesn't remind me that this mango is related to carrie.  Like Jebus and Bullie, I am also a card-carrying member of the Carrie Haters club.

Thought it was quite good though, and I didn't let it get really ripe as advised above....will have to try it again at a riper stage, if they are still available next time I head up there.

But that is not the correct spelling, Gef.  Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 17, 2015, 04:40:48 PM
touche!  It has been fixed  :P

editing my posts for spelling now, Rob--now that's the pot calling the kettle black--haha!  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 17, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
touche!  It has been fixed  :P

editing my posts for spelling now, Rob--now that's the pot calling the kettle black--haha!  ;) ;D ;D

But mine are usually due to typing on a dumbass phone or a tablet, yours was intentional.   :P :o 8) :P ::) :o 8) :P
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 17, 2015, 06:12:10 PM
Harry,

To clarify, I found Emerald to have an excellent flavor, not a superlative or inspiring flavor (e.g., Fruit Punch [url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg207108#msg207108[/url] ([url]http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg207108#msg207108[/url]))

my perspective:

Was it better than most of the mangos I tried at Fruit and Spice park? Yes, definitely.

Did I enjoy Emerald's taste more than some of the mangos at Gary Zill's tasting last Friday? Yes. If it had been included in the dozen or so mangoes there, I would have ranked it in the top 5.

I thought its best feature was the resin taste, which was bold like Bombay.

---

Simon,

Thanks for the tip on refractometers. A quick google search brings up some that are under $30? Do these work?


Hey Brett, those simple hand held refractometer a work really well. I believe the range on my unit is from 0-30% Brix, this is the one you want for Mangos. I got my refractometer for around $30-60.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 18, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
K-3

(http://s23.postimg.cc/rqzu7re5z/IMG_20150612_204102.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/rqzu7re5z/)

This mango is said to be a seedling of ZINC (Zill Indo Chinese), a older cultivar with chalky taste. A more well-known seedling of ZINC is Sweet Tart, a top tier mango that hits the extremes of both sweetnesss & tartness. But Sweet Tart's bold flavors might be considered "over the top" to certain normal, non-mango-crazed individuals.

K-3 is Sweet Tart's more conservative & modest -- but still hot -- sister.

She's "good mango sweet," not candy sweet. She's teasingly tart, not "powdered lemonade crystals" tart. With the sweet and sours mixed down, the resin shines through and dominates. K-3's got an invigorating, tastebud tingling zing from a well refined "turpentine" flavor.  In addition, there's a generous splash of the 'cola syrup' flavor I love :D. Wikipedia describes it like this:

Quote
The primary modern flavoring ingredients in a cola drink are sugar, citrus oils (from oranges, limes, or lemon fruit peel), cinnamon, vanilla, and an acidic flavorant. Trace flavorings may include nutmeg and a wide variety of ingredients, but the base flavorings that most people identify with a cola taste remain vanilla and cinnamon.


My guess at the ZINC / Sweet Tart / K-3's "cola formula" is: sweet + acidic + spicy (very subtle cinnamon, vanilla & nutmeg-like flavors).

The flesh of the mango was a deeper orange, it not have fiber that I can remember... and I  don't remember seeing a whole fruit next to the tasting tray.  I really liked this mango.  It's something I would enjoy tasting every summer, and I sure hope it gets released.

Does anyone know more about this mango... its story, the tree or any plans for it?


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 18, 2015, 01:57:30 PM
K-3 is a ZINC seedling.  Has promise but no immeadiate or definite plans for release.  What you tasted at the RFC meeting, as with many of those pieces, were not fully ripe and who knows when they were cut (that day or the day before).  I do remember eating this a few years ago and it is a very very good fruit.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DurianLover on June 18, 2015, 03:45:58 PM
Emerald

I picked up this up at Tropical Acres mango stand next to Dreher Park in WPB. It was dark, emerald green and kinda looked like an avocado. I had to let it ripen to a bit softer than I'd have guessed to get the correct, balanced flavor - sampling it too early was shockingly tart. It stays emerald green when ripe.

The flesh was orange and fiberless. The first taste was both acidity and sweetness: a bit like orange juice or sour apple. Beneath that were an array of mellow raspberry (slightly musky) & grape flavors. Sometimes at the very end... and on other bites right alongside all the flavors... there was a superior Indo-chinese resin taste.  Afterwards there was acidic aftertaste like I'd been drinking OJ. Overall I found Emerald to be a complex mango with "excellent" flavor - the only minus point was for the aftertaste.


I cannot believe how your taste buds can go into so many details. To me Emerald taste very straightforward. Nice spicy Indian/Caribbean flavor without many details.  It immediately reminded me of Grahams from last year. Taste identical. Perhaps relationship between two?

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DurianLover on June 18, 2015, 03:53:17 PM
Thanks for all the great reviews Joe and Brett! Have you guys considered purchasing a refractometer? You guys already give wonderful detailed reviews and Brix readings would be awesome information to have! I'd share mine with you but alas, I'm in California.

Simon

Simon, I think you are way too obsessed with brix. Flavor intensity and complexity is what makes good mango. Brix is secondary issue. I'll try to describe Okrung flavor profile (some say sweetest mango known). Pour some sugar into water, add heavy dose of thickener, take it out of the dish, cut it into slices and serve. One accomplished grower here called it food for certain animals. Ouch!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on June 18, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
To me Emerald taste very straightforward. Nice spicy Indian/Caribbean flavor without many details.  It immediately reminded me of Grahams from last year. Taste identical. Perhaps relationship between two?

I know of no relationship between the two, but I tend to agree with your flavor description in comparing it to Graham.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on June 18, 2015, 06:00:03 PM
Thanks for all the great reviews Joe and Brett! Have you guys considered purchasing a refractometer? You guys already give wonderful detailed reviews and Brix readings would be awesome information to have! I'd share mine with you but alas, I'm in California.

Simon

Simon, I think you are way too obsessed with brix. Flavor intensity and complexity is what makes good mango. Brix is secondary issue. I'll try to describe Okrung flavor profile (some say sweetest mango known). Pour some sugar into water, add heavy dose of thickener, take it out of the dish, cut it into slices and serve. One accomplished grower here called it food for certain animals. Ouch!!

Scientist types like brix readings because it is something you can objectively measure and hang a number to. I think main advantage of brix readings is finding out when a fruit is perfectly ripe. I just ordered a refractomer to test different cultivars of lychee and compare them. Might use it later on mangoes as well. Mainly i want to see how brix readings change as a fruit is stored for extended period.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: WGphil on June 19, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
First year getting to try some of these mango's.  So far the Dupius is the one I have liked best.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 21, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
I ate my first Dot a few days ago and tasted my first Edward today.  Dot was just about the sweetest and juiciest mango I've ever eaten.  The flesh was deep orange, and the flavor to me was peach-y, like canned peaches.  An excellent mango.

For me the flavor of Edward was identical to Kent.  I've always loved Kent, my favorite mango back in my earliest mango days (1970's) buying boxes of Mexican mangos at the Central Market in Los Angeles, so I'll pronounce Edward an excellent mango as well.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: naturelover on June 21, 2015, 05:22:24 PM
VP is excellent this year. So much better than it was last year. Goes to show you how variable taste is from year to year.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: From the sea on June 22, 2015, 08:47:22 AM
I'll pronounce Edward an excellent mango as well.

I agree, also down here the birds don't pick at them like some of the more red colored ones.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 22, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
Thanks for all the great reviews Joe and Brett! Have you guys considered purchasing a refractometer? You guys already give wonderful detailed reviews and Brix readings would be awesome information to have! I'd share mine with you but alas, I'm in California.

Simon

Simon, I think you are way too obsessed with brix. Flavor intensity and complexity is what makes good mango. Brix is secondary issue. I'll try to describe Okrung flavor profile (some say sweetest mango known). Pour some sugar into water, add heavy dose of thickener, take it out of the dish, cut it into slices and serve. One accomplished grower here called it food for certain animals. Ouch!!

Durianlover, you are right that I am quite obsessed with Brix. It is easily obtained and has a definite value that is unbiased assuming you know how to take the readings properly. The Brix values are extremely valuable to me especially because I love sweet mangos and it is difficult for me to acquire many of the same varieties that are available in Florida.

Maybe this is just me but if there are two mangos of the same variety, say an Edwards, I would prefer to eat the mango with 21% Brix as opposed to the one with 18% Brix assuming they are both the same in all other aspects. The higher Brix tells me that the fruit was picked after hanging on the tree for a longer period of time and the fruit with the higher Brix probably came from a tree that was better taken care of or perhaps from an older tree.

Durianlover, the flavor profile is very important to me but just look at all the different threads, this one for example, that already talk about flavor profiles of many of the varieties of mango out there. How many threads describing mango flavors have info on Brix? Not many.

Many of the descriptions of the taste of the different Mango varieties say this mango was really sweet but how sweet was it really? What is sweet for one person may not necessarily be sweet for someone else. Sweetness is much to subjective without a Brix reading.

I am trying to further the hobby by encouraging others to provide additional information if possible. The more Brix readings we get, the more accurate the data set. After we get enough data points, perhaps we can say things like Kent Mango is not at full flavor unless it is harvested at 18% Brix. Or perhaps we can say that as Nam Doc Mi Mangos are sweeter when grown in Thailand vs California. This information could also be very valuable for the Agriculture industry when they finally decide to replace the Tommy Atkins mango.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 22, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
Simon - one flaw is that while brix reading may be accurate on your meter, sweetness perception from tasting can vary based on other variable charcteristics of the fruit, for example the amount of acidity...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DurianLover on June 22, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
Just to be clear, I was simply puzzled by your obsession, no other sentiment implied.
This will have to be multi-year process before any conclusions drawn.  The same varieties grown in California are likely to be sweeter. Also even from the same location you will have to keep testing. For example, I felt Sweet Tart was less sweet and intense than last year (it may be corrected with second bloom crop soon), and Keshars from India were way off this year.


This information could also be very valuable for the Agriculture industry when they finally decide to replace the Tommy Atkins mango.

You are very optimistic dreamer -:)  Does not look like it will happen anytime soon. It will have to start with orchards in Mexico I presume to see large scale shift.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 22, 2015, 05:12:56 PM
Just to be clear, I was simply puzzled by your obsession, no other sentiment implied.
This will have to be multi-year process before any conclusions drawn.  The same varieties grown in California are likely to be sweeter. Also even from the same location you will have to keep testing. For example, I felt Sweet Tart was less sweet and intense than last year (it may be corrected with second bloom crop soon), and Keshars from India were way off this year.


The first couple Sweet Tarts I had back in mid May were just average.  All others I have had since, and there has been a very god sampling, have been exceptional, every bit as good or better than last year (last year's crop was light and I didn't feel they were as good as the year before that).  One key to the sweet Tart, picked too green and the fruit is junk.  That has been evident every year going back to when it was C-1, well before it ever got a name.



Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 22, 2015, 06:06:14 PM
Rob and Durianlover, both good points. I recently posted about the Banganpalli Mango and even though it had a relatively low Brix of , 17% I think, it tasted as sweet as a 20% Brix Kent. In the Rare Fruit Growers circle, the % Brix and Acid are very important for evaluating fruit quality. The ratio of these two gives a lot of information but quality of fruit based on these values are cultivar specific due to individual flavor components of each cultivar.

There can also be flaws with the actual testing itself. The Brix is higher or lower depending on where the juice is coming from. I've found drastic differences in Brix Values of the same exact piece of Mango depending if the juice used for the reading is from flow to the skin or closer to the seed. An Edward Mango I ate recently had a Brix of 19% near the seed and 17% near the skin. Whenever I encounter a variety with low Brix yet still tastes sweet, I do my best to report it as such.

I now take my Brix readings from juice from near the center of the fruit close to the seed. I also find it very important to thoroughly clean the refractometer in between readings and to dry the equipment, fruit and hands so as not to dilute out the TSS. Fine particles of fruit in the juice may also skew readings but I'm not looking to be that precise nor accurate. My cheap hand held unit has Automatic Temperature Compensation so the temperature of the fruit will not skew the results much.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 22, 2015, 08:51:05 PM
Venus - Mango Review

Rich sweetness, canned peaches in heavy syrup... with waves of a pleasantly "funky" taste that reminded me of goddess nectar.  A faint touch of chalky and a generous splash of cola syrup. No resin taste.  If you get greedy and scrape, the peel has an astringent flavor. This Zill mango is closer in taste to its ZINC parent than other known seedlings like K-3 or Sweet Tart.... but far superior to ZINC.  Silky smooth flesh texture, but mine had a bit of internal breakdown. A seductive and classy mango, well named and highly recommended. From Tropical Acres farms in West Palm Beach, FL.


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: GrassFlats on June 22, 2015, 10:27:28 PM
Enjoyed Venus as well! Very sweet, candy like!! Yum!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 22, 2015, 10:32:50 PM
Really, goddess nectar???

Since you brought it up,  Sweet Tart and K-3 have very distict tastes snd characteristics to their oarents, ZINC.   I see less of the ZINC characteristics in Venus.  If yoyr Venus had a chalky component,  it was not fully ripe.  Again, being such an early h arvest for this variety would lead me to believe it is not showing what it can.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 22, 2015, 11:41:40 PM
Venus was mostly rich, sweet, funky and cola syrupy. The chalky taste was very faint, if I tasted it closely comparing it to Zinc it was there, but probably wouldn't notice it unless reviewing. If it gets better when more ripe or later in the year then i am looking forward to the next one.Great tasting mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 23, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
Just enjoyed a room temperature Sweet Tart, Honey Kiss, and a Taralay.
My God. Sweet Tart was amazing. A bit of tart and alot of sweet. I was expecting a jarring first taste effect similair to the likes of Dot, but this was mango was decadent. When fully ripe, it's skin is a bit brittle when trying to peel to enjoy more of the orange flesh goodness, but the little extra work is totally worth it. An excellent mango.
I used to think Chocanon had that "like peaches" flavor and texture, but Taralay took that crown. Bright yellow, fiberless flesh, extremely sweet and rich. The flesh had a nice density to it, seed wasn't SE asian flat but close to it so lots of beautiful flesh to enjoy and it tasted (to me) like sweet peaches. An excellent mango. 
Tough act to flow for the Honey Kiss. Flat seed, nice exterior coloration but it was a watery. I did detect some honey tones, but there was also some from cateloupe. While it was sweet, it wasn't  rich as the other two.
So for this tasting: Sweet Tart > Taralay > Honey Kiss.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 23, 2015, 09:30:25 PM
in my limited experience, a well-ripened sweet tart is hard to beat.

Had a Pineapple Pleasure last weekend....It was a large mango with a frozen lemonade taste, mixed with sweet mango, mixed with pineapple.  I waited until it had no green remaining, and didn't find it to be tart at all....I will say it was INTENSE and I like tart flavors in general, but this was balanced out like a sweet tart (not same flavor, but just enough sweet to make it REALLY enjoyable!

It was totally unfair, but I was having a party at my house so I conducted a blind taste test with Fruit punch, pickering, valcarrie, and Pineapple Pleasure.  The majority who sampled responded:  "those two!!"  (pointing to Fruit Punch and Pineapple Pleasure).  Both are in the flavor grenade category!!  That's all I can say.

I want to grow this mango now....even if it means only getting a few of these babies each year! 8)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: dongeorgio on June 23, 2015, 09:43:53 PM
Flavor grenade is the perfect description of both Fruit Punch and Pineapple Pleasure, both of which, in my opinion, are top 5 mangos.   
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on June 23, 2015, 10:08:04 PM
Flavor grenade is the perfect description of both Fruit Punch and Pineapple Pleasure, both of which, in my opinion, are top 5 mangos.


Hi George

Flavor Grenade has been taking by Zaiger Genetics, Pluot Interspecific Plum .....and it's delicious right up there with those mangos you mention.


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on June 24, 2015, 04:23:01 AM
Thanks for all the great reviews Joe and Brett! Have you guys considered purchasing a refractometer? You guys already give wonderful detailed reviews and Brix readings would be awesome information to have! I'd share mine with you but alas, I'm in California.

Simon

Simon, I think you are way too obsessed with brix. Flavor intensity and complexity is what makes good mango. Brix is secondary issue. I'll try to describe Okrung flavor profile (some say sweetest mango known). Pour some sugar into water, add heavy dose of thickener, take it out of the dish, cut it into slices and serve. One accomplished grower here called it food for certain animals. Ouch!!

Durianlover, you are right that I am quite obsessed with Brix. It is easily obtained and has a definite value that is unbiased assuming you know how to take the readings properly. The Brix values are extremely valuable to me especially because I love sweet mangos and it is difficult for me to acquire many of the same varieties that are available in Florida.

Maybe this is just me but if there are two mangos of the same variety, say an Edwards, I would prefer to eat the mango with 21% Brix as opposed to the one with 18% Brix assuming they are both the same in all other aspects. The higher Brix tells me that the fruit was picked after hanging on the tree for a longer period of time and the fruit with the higher Brix probably came from a tree that was better taken care of or perhaps from an older tree.

Durianlover, the flavor profile is very important to me but just look at all the different threads, this one for example, that already talk about flavor profiles of many of the varieties of mango out there. How many threads describing mango flavors have info on Brix? Not many.

Many of the descriptions of the taste of the different Mango varieties say this mango was really sweet but how sweet was it really? What is sweet for one person may not necessarily be sweet for someone else. Sweetness is much to subjective without a Brix reading.

I am trying to further the hobby by encouraging others to provide additional information if possible. The more Brix readings we get, the more accurate the data set. After we get enough data points, perhaps we can say things like Kent Mango is not at full flavor unless it is harvested at 18% Brix. Or perhaps we can say that as Nam Doc Mi Mangos are sweeter when grown in Thailand vs California. This information could also be very valuable for the Agriculture industry when they finally decide to replace the Tommy Atkins mango.

Simon
Simon, i think you're right and brix reading is a valuable tool. But just one tool amongst others. Brix readings should be included in the ultimate mango list. (BTW this list is back up!) I thought there was a column for brix readings on the list but there isn't. That column should be added.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 24, 2015, 03:00:28 PM
Had my 2nd Val-Carrie today. Juicy mango upon cutting to reveal a dense, orange, uniform flesh. It really does have a slight off taste to it but the sweetness makes it a very enjoyable experience. It also did have a mild chaulky flavor to it that I simply love in mangoes that do have them [ZINC, Starch etc]. The skin was brittle when fully ripe like with the Sweet Tart I had yesterday- actually, this while eating this mango it reminded me of Sweet Tart but not as decadent. Nonetheless, a very enjoyable and delicious mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 25, 2015, 09:42:15 AM
Maha Chanok - Mango Review

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Two years ago I bought a Maha Chanok tree from Excalibur Fruit Trees in Lake Worth, FL, and planted it. Yesterday I finally got to taste one. It's a beautiful fruit: phallic and curvy, yellow with the rosy blush of a chinook salmon, sparsely dotted with little black speckles ringed in hot neon pink. It has a pungent, intoxicating scent... like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor.  When cut, the inside smelled "tart" and berry-like.

As for the flavor, it's very hard to describe. But l'll try:

There's a measured sweetness with a subacidic undertone like homemade cranberry sauce. The secondary layer of flavors is suave... sort of mellow like a Valencia Pride, smooth like a cantaloupe, and sunny like a tangelo. Some Nam Doc Mai-like honey taste. Classical mango flavors were present throughout and especially noticed near the thin seed. Underneath the skin is cola syrup -- subtle cinnamon-vanilla notes which give it a delicately spicy finish. The cola flavor was especially concentrated throughout the upper half inch of the mango, just below the stem ;D.   No resin taste.

Eating the second half, which I let ripen for several hours more, the flesh was softer. There was intense sweetness and a rich, creamy classical mango flavor. The tartness and subtle flavors were less noticeable.

Because of its sexy looks & remarkable scent, the uniqueness of the flavor profile, and the overall taste quality... my first impression of Maha Chanok is it that of an "outstanding" top tier mango. It's probably the best mango I have ever tasted.

I'd like to thank Harry Hausman and Richard Wilson who championed this mango and inspired me to plant it. These guys did extensive research and made a killer selection. I can now survive and even look forward to these muggy South Florida summers, so as long as the Maha Chanok tree blooms in my backyard. If the fruit gets better as the tree matures, I will be even happier than I am now.    :) :D ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 25, 2015, 10:23:52 AM
Brett, I don't know about you.  First, you call Mahachanok "phallic."  The you say "it has a pungent, intoxicating scent...like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor."
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 25, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
Brett, I don't know about you.  First, you call Mahachanok "phallic."  The you say "it has a pungent, intoxicating scent...like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor."

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahaha
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 25, 2015, 11:29:59 AM
hhahahahahahahaahahahaha  ;D

Check out the "Greatest Father" at the far left of TropicalFruitForum.com's banner logo.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 25, 2015, 11:37:03 AM
Brett, I don't know about you.  First, you call Mahachanok "phallic."  The you say "it has a pungent, intoxicating scent...like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor."

Dont forget his prior Venus description of tasting like "goddess nectar'.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Jani on June 25, 2015, 12:42:40 PM
I like eating mango like the next guy..but these heavenly, out of body, and nearly always orgasmic experiences, masquerading as taste descriptons are so very entertaining.... :D

You lost me at phallic...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Raulglezruiz on June 25, 2015, 02:08:42 PM
Maha Chanok - Mango Review

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Two years ago I bought a Maha Chanok tree from Excalibur Fruit Trees in Lake Worth, FL, and planted it. Yesterday I finally got to taste one. It's a beautiful fruit: phallic and curvy, yellow with the rosy blush of a chinook salmon, sparsely dotted with little black speckles ringed in hot neon pink. It has a pungent, intoxicating scent... like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor.  When cut, the inside smelled "tart" and berry-like.

As for the flavor, it's very hard to describe. But l'll try:

There's a measured sweetness with a subacidic undertone like homemade cranberry sauce. The secondary layer of flavors is suave... sort of mellow like a Valencia Pride, smooth like a cantaloupe, and sunny like a tangelo. Some Nam Doc Mai-like honey taste. Classical mango flavors were present throughout and especially noticed near the thin seed. Underneath the skin is cola syrup -- subtle cinnamon-vanilla notes which give it a delicately spicy finish. The cola flavor was especially concentrated throughout the upper half inch of the mango, just below the stem ;D.   No resin taste.

Eating the second half, which I let ripen for several hours more, the flesh was softer. There was intense sweetness and a rich, creamy classical mango flavor. The tartness and subtle flavors were less noticeable.

Because of its sexy looks & remarkable scent, the uniqueness of the flavor profile, and the overall taste quality... my first impression of Maha Chanok is it that of an "outstanding" top tier mango. It's probably the best mango I have ever tasted.

I'd like to thank Harry Hausman and Richard Wilson who championed this mango and inspired me to plant it. These guys did extensive research and made a killer selection. I can now survive and even look forward to these muggy South Florida summers, so as long as the Maha Chanok tree blooms in my backyard. If the fruit gets better as the tree matures, I will be even happier than I am now.    :) :D ;D

Love your reviews Brett!!! Especially the part of the sweaty man wearing the cheap cologne!
 Keep wthem coming please!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 25, 2015, 02:22:56 PM
Maha Chanok - Mango Review

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Two years ago I bought a Maha Chanok tree from Excalibur Fruit Trees in Lake Worth, FL, and planted it. Yesterday I finally got to taste one. It's a beautiful fruit: phallic and curvy, yellow with the rosy blush of a chinook salmon, sparsely dotted with little black speckles ringed in hot neon pink. It has a pungent, intoxicating scent... like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor.  When cut, the inside smelled "tart" and berry-like.

As for the flavor, it's very hard to describe. But l'll try:

There's a measured sweetness with a subacidic undertone like homemade cranberry sauce. The secondary layer of flavors is suave... sort of mellow like a Valencia Pride, smooth like a cantaloupe, and sunny like a tangelo. Some Nam Doc Mai-like honey taste. Classical mango flavors were present throughout and especially noticed near the thin seed. Underneath the skin is cola syrup -- subtle cinnamon-vanilla notes which give it a delicately spicy finish. The cola flavor was especially concentrated throughout the upper half inch of the mango, just below the stem ;D.   No resin taste.

Eating the second half, which I let ripen for several hours more, the flesh was softer. There was intense sweetness and a rich, creamy classical mango flavor. The tartness and subtle flavors were less noticeable.

Because of its sexy looks & remarkable scent, the uniqueness of the flavor profile, and the overall taste quality... my first impression of Maha Chanok is it that of an "outstanding" top tier mango. It's probably the best mango I have ever tasted.

I'd like to thank Harry Hausman and Richard Wilson who championed this mango and inspired me to plant it. These guys did extensive research and made a killer selection. I can now survive and even look forward to these muggy South Florida summers, so as long as the Maha Chanok tree blooms in my backyard. If the fruit gets better as the tree matures, I will be even happier than I am now.    :) :D ;D

Love your reviews Brett!!! Especially the part of the sweaty man wearing the cheap cologne!
 Keep wthem coming please!


Please don't encourage it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fruitlovers on June 25, 2015, 07:12:29 PM
I like eating mango like the next guy..but these heavenly, out of body, and nearly always orgasmic experiences, masquerading as taste descriptons are so very entertaining.... :D

You lost me at phallic...
At least he didn't say it tasted like Coca cola, 7 Up, fanta, or Dr. Pepper root beer.  So could've been worse. ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: dongeorgio on June 25, 2015, 07:59:57 PM
Brett,


   Let the haters hate my friend.  Your descriptions are at a whole other level so keep them up.  On a side note, I happen to know that you can no longer find a maha in south florida.  Sheehan filled a u-haul with them after reading the phallus comparison and is greedily hoarding them. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 25, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
You mean he is greedily cuddling with them, running the skin through his mouth to get that goddess nectar, i mean cola syrup tastt.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 26, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
Edgar - nice, sweet, dense bright yellow fleshed mango. I enjoyed it more than the Ugly Betty samples I got.

Coconut Cream - could be an off season this year from this source, but I found it to be oily and diluted. Only ate one side of it.

Fruit Punch - Yep. Flavor town. Mango over load after just eating one of the sides of it. Big, juicy, rich mango. Was surprised how much
                     fiber the seed had around it- almost East Indian proportions. My taste buds were shot after this mango and didn't feel
                     the need to eat anymore mangoes after this which is not a good thing. I just don't see myself having a mango that can
                     kill ones appetite after one fruit. I can however see my self eating much more Sweet Tarts over Fruit Punch.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: y0rascal on June 26, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
Hey Robbie glad you enjoyed the mangos

From Walter Zills place I tried the sweet tart which is spectacular, my favorite mango by far, followed by Orange Sherbert, talk about a super sweet mango, yum. Edgar had a strong but good taste. Ugly betty didntt stand out t me much at all. Valcarrie dependning on the mango some where good pieces were good others were bland.

Still have fruit punch seacrest and hatcher to try.

I have not tried lemon zest yet and need to find it, but my clear runner favorite mango right now is sweet tart, cant have enough with just one bite.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 26, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
If you time the Seacrest right (not too ripe), I think you will be quite pleased. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: beefyboy on June 26, 2015, 07:34:51 PM
I ate my first Dot a few days ago and tasted my first Edward today.  Dot was just about the sweetest and juiciest mango I've ever eaten.  The flesh was deep orange, and the flavor to me was peach-y, like canned peaches.  An excellent mango.

For me the flavor of Edward was identical to Kent.  I've always loved Kent, my favorite mango back in my earliest mango days (1970's) buying boxes of Mexican mangos at the Central Market in Los Angeles, so I'll pronounce Edward an excellent mango as well.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 27, 2015, 12:24:11 PM
Hey Robbie glad you enjoyed the mangos

:D Nice meeting you that day at Zill. Sweet!!! You scored a Seacrest. That must have been the only one that day. Hope your enjoying the mangoes. Sweet Tart is awesome.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on June 27, 2015, 12:58:41 PM
Maha Chanok - Mango Review

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Two years ago I bought a Maha Chanok tree from Excalibur Fruit Trees in Lake Worth, FL, and planted it. Yesterday I finally got to taste one. It's a beautiful fruit: phallic and curvy, yellow with the rosy blush of a chinook salmon, sparsely dotted with little black speckles ringed in hot neon pink. It has a pungent, intoxicating scent... like smelling a ripe Edward mango held by a sweaty man wearing cologne which mostly covers up his body odor.  When cut, the inside smelled "tart" and berry-like.

As for the flavor, it's very hard to describe. But l'll try:

There's a measured sweetness with a subacidic undertone like homemade cranberry sauce. The secondary layer of flavors is suave... sort of mellow like a Valencia Pride, smooth like a cantaloupe, and sunny like a tangelo. Some Nam Doc Mai-like honey taste. Classical mango flavors were present throughout and especially noticed near the thin seed. Underneath the skin is cola syrup -- subtle cinnamon-vanilla notes which give it a delicately spicy finish. The cola flavor was especially concentrated throughout the upper half inch of the mango, just below the stem ;D.   No resin taste.

Eating the second half, which I let ripen for several hours more, the flesh was softer. There was intense sweetness and a rich, creamy classical mango flavor. The tartness and subtle flavors were less noticeable.

Because of its sexy looks & remarkable scent, the uniqueness of the flavor profile, and the overall taste quality... my first impression of Maha Chanok is it that of an "outstanding" top tier mango. It's probably the best mango I have ever tasted.

I'd like to thank Harry Hausman and Richard Wilson who championed this mango and inspired me to plant it. These guys did extensive research and made a killer selection. I can now survive and even look forward to these muggy South Florida summers, so as long as the Maha Chanok tree blooms in my backyard. If the fruit gets better as the tree matures, I will be even happier than I am now.    :) :D ;D


I found your review thoroughly entertaining.  I appreciate your acknowledging me with thanks.  My response......I did nothing that any mango loving collector wouldn't have done in the same situation. 

I was fortunate to get my first Maha experience back in the mid-1990's and I have been singing its praises ever since.  My only regret was that I didn't take the opportunity to do my own grafting production and sales.  I missed a golden opportunity to make a few extra bucks.

One thing about your review that I did want to comment about. Your description of the "fragrance" of the mango.....or I guess some would say, "the smell" is not something that I have detected.  Our now banned forum member in Thailand, Bangkok, always said that the true Maha Chanok had "a smell."  Actually, I think he said that it stunk.  I have never expereinced this in the fruits I have eaten.  So, I am wondering if I have an inefective smeller or if you guys are having an olfactory hallucination.   ???
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 28, 2015, 06:14:54 PM
Tasted Fruit Punch.  The name is appropriate and fits it well.  It has a powerful flavor with a pronounced spiciness.  I like it, but honestly I don't think it could ever be one of my favorites. 

The second Edward I ate had a different flavor than the first.  It was as if it were an altogether different mango variety. It did come from another location.  Whereas the first one reminded of Kent, the second one didn't taste like Kent at all.  It had a rich mango flavor with a hint of coconut.

I continue to be impressed with Lemon Zest, but have found PPK to be much more citrusy and tangy.  LZ is more balanced.

Now I hope to get my hands on Sweet Tart in coming days. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: GrassFlats on June 29, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
Ate a couple of Coconut Creams yesterday.  HOLY MOLY!! What a great tasting mango!  Distinct coconut taste, very juicy!  Very impressed.  My top two as of now are Sweet Tart and Coconut Cream
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 29, 2015, 10:15:20 PM
Ate a couple of Coconut Creams yesterday.  HOLY MOLY!! What a great tasting mango!  Distinct coconut taste, very juicy!  Very impressed.  My top two as of now are Sweet Tart and Coconut Cream

I know, right.  You could put together a decent starting 5 with Zills lineup:

Sweet Tart
Coconut Cream
Fruit Punch
Pineapple Pleasure
Lemon Zest

Sounds like a team Phil Jackson would coach :o  ;)!
Walter has a few that are worthy of coming off the bench too.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 30, 2015, 09:12:01 AM
Hey Brett,

To those teasing, its ok and perfectly legal now.... haha ; )   I liked your review and that MC specimen is pristine.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 30, 2015, 10:15:07 AM
Pineapple Pleasure
I was finally able to finish this huge mango. Since I bought it semi ripe about 8 days ago, it could have been a tad bit over ripe at sampling. However I did not detect any funky tastes found in other over ripe mangoes. Sweet, rich, and mostly fiber-less flesh. To me it tasted very similar to Taralay (which was very good) except for that PP had that extra *umph* as an additional flavor- pineapple and something else I just can't identify. The flesh around the seed was like eating mango pudding- soft, sweet and fiber-less. And near the skin was where the most exceptionally sweet and flavored flesh was found. Not as pungent as Fruit Punch but highly enjoyable to consume non the less without killing one's appetite.

Gary
What a lovely tasting little mango. Small, burn your throat sweetness with very little fiber. It had a lingering flavor profile to it akin to how mint remains with you after consuming it. I won't consider it a rich mango, but very enjoyable and a unique eating experience compared to other mangoes. I'm going to plant one.

Edgar
I thought my 2 remaining Edgars would have been very overripe at the time of the sampling but there were not. The black spots on the exterior barely penetrated through the skin and into the flesh. Sweet, fiberless, deep orange flesh. I felt they tasted much better  than the Edgars I sampled earlier last week. And considering how they held up well since purchasing ripe  8 days, maybe some commercial growing potential here (?) with this cv. Very enjoyable.

Coconut Cream and LZ
My samples turned out to be very bland with no sweet. The Coconut Creams had an oily mouth feel to it again.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 30, 2015, 10:42:54 AM
Ate a couple of Coconut Creams yesterday.  HOLY MOLY!! What a great tasting mango!  Distinct coconut taste, very juicy!  Very impressed.  My top two as of now are Sweet Tart and Coconut Cream

I know, right.  You could put together a decent starting 5 with Zills lineup:

Sweet Tart
Coconut Cream
Fruit Punch
Pineapple Pleasure
Lemon Zest

As awesomely delicious as those mangos are, I would feel a bit disappointed if I'd have planted one of them in my sole mango spot instead of Maha Chanok. I feel the MC has just a slightly more complex, more "elegant" flavor... plus better looks and aroma.  I can't wait to share with friends and neighbors - next year hopefully.


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 30, 2015, 10:46:30 AM
Pineapple Pleasure
 Not as pungent as Fruit Punch but highly enjoyable to consume non the less without killing one's appetite.


I agree about the Fruit Punch being extremely sweet and large. I enjoyed the taste so much I devoured 3/4 of the fruit in a single shot before dinner, and it left me with little appetite and sugar hangover.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 30, 2015, 11:10:12 AM
Dont know where this aroma is coming from with the Mahachanok.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on June 30, 2015, 01:07:19 PM
Ate a couple of Coconut Creams yesterday.  HOLY MOLY!! What a great tasting mango!  Distinct coconut taste, very juicy!  Very impressed.  My top two as of now are Sweet Tart and Coconut Cream

I know, right.  You could put together a decent starting 5 with Zills lineup:

Sweet Tart
Coconut Cream
Fruit Punch
Pineapple Pleasure
Lemon Zest

As awesomely delicious as those mangos are, I would feel a bit disappointed if I'd have planted one of them in my sole mango spot instead of Maha Chanok. I feel the MC has just a slightly more complex, more "elegant" flavor... plus better looks and aroma.  I can't wait to share with friends and neighbors - next year hopefully.

agree that maha is right there or better than those
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 30, 2015, 01:51:37 PM
Hey Guys,

Here is a review of a maha chanock from my tree. I intended to do this like two weeks ago, as a video review of the tree itself and of the fruit tasting complete with pictures, but there is no memory left on my phone for video and my scale needs a new watch size battery so some aspects will not be present.

My experience growing the tree: I purchased this from excalibur maybe 6 years ago and only about a year ago has it been in the ground. It is a very slow grower and for a while was testing my patience recalling a year where there was only maybe a couple flushes. Overall though if you are patient, this is a key selling point. When I compare to my coconut cream: rapid growth both wide and tall of spindly branches, and my seedling ivory: somewhat fast, tall upright and lanky (like my LZ) the maha is an ideal mango to have growing on your property. It responds well to tip pruning and the growth can be directed and compactly controlled think "bonsai." This was the first year it has flowered and fruited and produced 12 mangos.

Fruit Reveiw: this mango I am reviewing is slightly past its peak eating imo, I agree with Harry and Jeff that you want to eat this mango when it has mostly colored up, still slightly firm, and when the top flesh near the stem has some give under pressure. This mango pictured had colored up completly for two days and had some uniform give, but was not soft and watery (see pic of spoon bite missing). It was about 6 in long, weight unknown. The MC is not a large mango but it is not disappointingly small either with a balanced flesh to seed ratio allowing for one to satisfy.
The smell outside before cutting I would describe as a mixture of sweet citrus and herbal turnip. On a good allergy free day I can smell them on my counter 4 ft away.  The outward appearance  imo is gorgeous blush over bright yellow lacking anthracnose scarring. The flesh is not watery, and it is not creamy, but smooth and gelatinous in the vein of Ivory, nam doc, and the flesh is bright orange. There is no fiber present except near the sides of the seed. The taste was sweet with a classical mango flavor and a twist of NDM thrown in. I didn't experience the coke flavor like I saw in the sweet tarts I have eaten. I did notice some peppery bitterness the closer I ate to the rind that resembled Edward but much more mild.

Overall it's not my favorite mango, but there is no doubt it is in my top 10 in flavor. If one could only plant one tree in their yard honestly I'd recomend this as a choice, disease resistant, easy to grow, beautiful and  tasty mango hands down a winner.





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-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on June 30, 2015, 02:18:30 PM
Joe,

Beautiful pics, nice review! If your tree put out 12 fruits at that size, I'm hopeful I'll have a crop that size or even larger next year :) When mine fruited this year it was still sort of a Y-shaped "mango stick" but it has since flushed and turned into a little tree.

p.s. My nose could pick up the Maha scent from about 2 feet away on my desk.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: HMHausman on June 30, 2015, 10:26:48 PM
Funny........Gerry (Lycheeluva) was the very first person that I ever heard say that the Maha Chanok had a different aroma.  He said that he felt it had a turnip smell.  I thought he was nuts.  LOL......I guess we have some mango bloodhounds in our midst with their ultra sensitive noses. My nose obviously does not have the sensitivity that some of yours' obviously have.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on June 30, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
Funny........Gerry (Lycheeluva) was the very first person that I ever heard say that the Maha Chanok had a different aroma.  He said that he felt it had a turnip smell.  I thought he was nuts.  LOL......I guess we have some mango bloodhounds in our midst with their ultra sensitive noses. My nose obviously does not have the sensitivity that some of yours' obviously have.

Some also have imaginative minds with their descriptions...and this may become Sheehan's favorite variety with its phallic reference.  ;) :P
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 01, 2015, 09:51:48 AM
ST Maui  - Mango Review

This meaty mango from Tropical Acres in WPB looks kind of like a Fruit Punch.  It has a complex, fruity-resinous flavor profile that I'd place in the Caribbean (e.g., Julie/Graham/Bombay) corner of the tasting table. When cut open, the inside appeared marbled and smelled a bit "tart."  Each time I took a bite, I noticed something different. The first taste was peach plus the sour twang of a pineapple. Next was pomegranate juice.  Then syrupy sweet berry flavors.  A distinctive resin flavor with the bite of allspice.  I regard this is an "excellent" tasting mango with very appealing flavors that complement each other well. I could imagine it ranking in the Top 3 or Top 5 at a good mango tasting.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 01, 2015, 03:18:03 PM
ST Maui , Maha Chanok, and Taimour are three mangoes that have really complex flavor profile that I like very much,   I have gone as far as recommend to the local mango board, that they include the ST Maui in their trials in the experimental station.  for a few good reasons,  The tree in one private collection here was very productive, the fruit itself is very attractive in local growing conditions, only tried one fruit, but remember the flesh being firm.  and the tree was not as big as the others in the collection that were planted at the same time, which makes me think its not a vigorous grower, and easy to control.

Who knows maybe some day this will be the variety to replace the Tommy Atkins commercially?  appreciate the review,  I do not have the talent to distinguish the different aromas, or flavors like some of the members have.   I just eat them, and say, ok, I like this one,  I like mangoes that just taste like mangoes, but also love the ones that are like roller coaster rides.   ST Maui is like that. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 01, 2015, 03:42:26 PM
Got pics of Tiamour? Any review or more info about the fruit / tree would be interesting.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on July 01, 2015, 04:03:44 PM
Got pics of Tiamour? Any review or more info about the fruit / tree would be interesting.


Sadly I did not take a picture of it,  its green when ripe. popular in Egypt.   I often research varieties for potential commercial value,  the Taimour would almost be perfect if it were not for the problem of color.   of course for mango pulp/juice that is not an issue.  in this report you can see some stats on it, highest taste score among those tested,  basically immune to Jellyseed.  firm flesh, good size.  very low fiber.  very sweet.    Poly seed, which I did plant,  growing very slowly in container.

http://www.manarasoft.com/pdf/P42.pdf (http://www.manarasoft.com/pdf/P42.pdf)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on July 02, 2015, 03:12:30 PM
Last of the bought mangoes:

Orange Sherbet
It seems like this mango and LZ are best enjoyed when they are wrinkly. I loved OS. Tasted exactly like orange flavored ice cream. Extremely sweet and creamy with the right amount of orange flavor. I was scraping as much flesh off under peel and seed to get more of this mango. Delicious. I prefer this to PKK.

Lemon Zest
Was a bigger mango than OS (about 2x its size) and the orange/lemony flavor was much more intense. Extremely sweet and orangey. Much better than the earlier samples I had. I actually couldn't finish all of this mango and left a side for later as it was too intense for me in one sitting. The only negative was a bitter, lime zest taste in the flesh when scraping under the skin in this sample.

Coconut Cream
Eating this mango conjured up thoughts of eating a coconut flavored pie. If it was a bit drier this would have been an outstanding mango. A more intense coconut flavor than Pickering. I'm gonna plant mines this week.

Gary
I'm becoming a fan of this cv. This and my 2nd to last one reminded me of Fruit Punch- not as intense but up there to stand out among other mangoes. Great, unique flavor. Very sweet and it had that lovely, chaulky texture/flavor that I love in mangoes that have them despite being ripe. All in a nice package. I'm gonna be planting one.

Top 5 Rankings for this tasting:
1. Sweet Tart
2. Orange Sherbert
3. Lemon Zest
4. Gary
5. Taralay
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 02, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
I also plan to plant a Gary tree.  Loved it!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 10, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
Just got back from Walter Zill's in Boynton and I ate a ripe Honey Kiss drop with my lunch. It was smaller than a fist and what I consider the ideal size for one person. This mango is juicy, it has nice melts-in-your-mouth flesh texture with no fiber I recall. It tastes sweet and mellow, like a honeydew melon and beneath the skin has just a hint of the Lemon Zest / Orange Sherbet flavors.  Very smooth taste  - I did not encounter one funky, tart, resiny, stringy, spicy, or bitter aspect in it. I would rate it as "excellent" and put it in the mild & sweet corner of the tasting table.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: GrassFlats on July 10, 2015, 03:01:12 PM
Does anyone know how precocious Honey Kiss, Venus, and Maha are?  Im a zone pusher and don't want to wait 5 years to get some mangos from a tree.  Thanks
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 10, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
Does anyone know how precocious Honey Kiss, Venus, and Maha are?  Im a zone pusher and don't want to wait 5 years to get some mangos from a tree.  Thanks

They are all fairly precocious, not so much as Pickering but pretty darn close to it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 10, 2015, 04:40:24 PM
An unripe Honey Kiss


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: GrassFlats on July 10, 2015, 05:15:04 PM
Thats a purdy petite mango!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 10, 2015, 11:15:46 PM
Perfectly ripe, just picked from the tree today.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 10, 2015, 11:18:52 PM
Another beauty, one of Sheehan 's favorites.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 10, 2015, 11:21:17 PM
Found this Providence hiding in the top of the canopy.  Dont usually see them this colorful in the tree.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 11, 2015, 09:47:59 AM
I tasted Zill mango P-22 today. Because the skin had become mottled with black spots I was sure I had let it set past its serve-by date.
I fully expected to try one bite and then toss it in the yard.
But, appearance not withstanding, it was yet another delicious mango, sweet and rich, fruity.
Only one bite, at the top of the seed, was less than wonderful (and lots of fine mangos are less delicious near the seed).

Not a must have, but a reminder that one can't always judge a book by its cover.
Picture below is of the skin. The flesh had disappeared.





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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 11, 2015, 08:11:04 PM
ST Maui  - Mango Review

This meaty mango from Tropical Acres in WPB looks kind of like a Fruit Punch.  It has a complex, fruity-resinous flavor profile that I'd place in the Caribbean (e.g., Julie/Graham/Bombay) corner of the tasting table. When cut open, the inside appeared marbled and smelled a bit "tart."  Each time I took a bite, I noticed something different. The first taste was peach plus the sour twang of a pineapple. Next was pomegranate juice.  Then syrupy sweet berry flavors.  A distinctive resin flavor with the bite of allspice.  I regard this is an "excellent" tasting mango with very appealing flavors that complement each other well. I could imagine it ranking in the Top 3 or Top 5 at a good mango tasting.

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That is bird Fruit of Paradise
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 12, 2015, 08:45:23 AM
Edgar - Mango Review

My first reaction to tasting this Edgar (Edward x Gary) from Walter Zill's in Boynton Beach, FL, was the same as Borat's: "Wowwah weeeewah! Very nice, I like." I cut it when it was still fairly firm. It has the sweetness of a popsicle, the smoothness of an Edward, its creamy as a Candy Corn, and there's a laid back tropical flavor mystique that is delightful. Eating close to the skin there is a beautiful, subdued resinous finish. I would rate this mango as "Excellent" and say that it is truly delicious and high grade. It did not blow my mind in the way in the way I associate with an outstanding mango, but this one is close.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 12, 2015, 09:00:30 AM
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What size was it and do you think that is typical Edgar size?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 12, 2015, 09:07:56 AM
4" long, 3" wide, sorry I didn't weight it but less than 1lb (guess is 12oz).... it is a typical size to the Edgar's I have bought before and the ones in the tray... but I am not too familiar with the crop. I have seen ones with a nicer blush.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 12, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
4" long, 3" wide, sorry I didn't weight it but less than 1lb (guess is 12oz).... it is a typical size to the Edgar's I have bought before and the ones in the tray... but I am not too familiar with the crop. I have seen ones with a nicer blush.

Not able to comment directly on the Edgar you are reporting on however Edgar will customarily range between  a half pound and i have seen a number if them in the one pound size.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 12, 2015, 01:27:04 PM
Finished eating the  rest of the Edgar and wow, it's SO GOOD  :D   Nice size and the flavor is very sweet, smooth, well-rounded and just wonderful.

It's been my #2 most delicious mango eating experience of this summer so far, just below the Maha Chanok... and above some very nice ones like Carrie, Venus and Fruit Punch.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 12, 2015, 09:56:43 PM
Finished eating the  rest of the Edgar and wow, it's SO GOOD  :D   Nice size and the flavor is very sweet, smooth, well-rounded and just wonderful.

It's been my #2 most delicious mango eating experience of this summer so far, just below the Maha Chanok... and above some very nice ones like Carrie, Venus and Fruit Punch.

I gave my cousin her in fl an Edgar last year and she demands nothing but them since...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on July 13, 2015, 09:08:26 AM
Went to Zill's Mangos this weekend. Picked up a nice selection and me and three others ate four last night.

Taralay
This mangos aroma was identical to my fathers Guyana "black spice" mango that i had a few weeks earlier.When it came time to break fast Taralay was the first one we tried and it did not disappoint.  Really thin skin, peeling it revealed the same wonderful aroma. The flesh was sweet and near the seed was slightly tart, could've been slightly over ripe. Also the flesh near the skin had a sort of custard/grit texture similar to what i noticed in PPK.

Orange Sherbet
The only bad thing about the Taralay was being in the same taste test as Orange Sherbet. This mango started off on par with Taralay but by the third piece it was clearly superior. Sweet on the outside a bit tart on the inside, not as tart as Taralay, but just exploding with flavor in every bite. Amazing. Does anyone know when this mango will be released?

Honey Kiss
The mango was sort of mushy, it might have been slightly over ripe. Mildly sweat, no tart. Everyone else tasted a slight honey dew melon taste, I didn't. To me this was a decent mango. I have one more thats firmer so i'll give it another shot.

E-Z
We were warned that this mango was stringy. Not once, but twice, and when I went to buy it i was given a "are your sure" look. I still bought some anyway. The mango looks nice, round, yellow with a red blush covering about half. The taste however was turpentine-y and bland. Actually a "turpentine" mango that i ate earlier this season was sweeter with just as much string. Flavor was that of a store bought mango picked way to early. Not a fan. Should have listened to the warnings.

Later this week I'll taste Sweat Tart, Coc, Seacrest, and BM.
Sorry for the lack of pictures. I'll upload them for the next round.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2015, 01:31:08 AM
Peach Cobbler
What more can i say, its like running through the peach orcards in Georgia nude on a early summer morning with the sweet nectar oozing down my breasts and thighs (i could almost feel the soft fuzz with every bite.  The eupboria did t end there, i sensed an essence of cola syrup, wait, no, not cola syrup but Dr. Pepper syrup.  It was like a sex on the beach chased with a 52 oz. Dr. Pepper from 7-11...oh, wait, hold on...whats going on here

This mamgo has no peach flavor whatsoever.   It was a juicy mango with a distict essence of tangerine or mandarin orange.   It can really rival or even surpass the Orange Sherbert.   The texture is much different than that of an OS, it is similar to but softer than that of the Pickering.   Damn i love this mango.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
By the way,  my camera phone makes the above Peach Cobbler appear much more colorful than it is.  It is a dull green with dull light yellow streaks.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 14, 2015, 08:22:37 AM
This mamgo has no peach flavor whatsoever.   It was a juicy mango with a distict essence of tangerine or mandarin orange.   It can really rival or even surpass the Orange Sherbert.   The texture is much different than that of an OS, it is similar to but softer than that of the Pickering.   Damn i love this mango.

By the way,  my camera phone makes the above Peach Cobbler appear much more colorful than it is.  It is a dull green with dull light yellow streaks.

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Useful review! My boring question is when is it usually ripe and what weight is it?
I like the non-flamboyant colorations and tangerine-mandarin taste you describe

Maybe Zill did not want to give another mango a citrus name so came up with peach cobbler which is a delicious old fashioned desert. Hmmmmm... can't remember the last time I ate some. Years ago.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 14, 2015, 08:37:05 AM
Peach Cobbler
What more can i say, its like running through the peach orcards in Georgia nude on a early summer morning with the sweet nectar oozing down my breasts and thighs (i could almost feel the soft fuzz with every bite.  The eupboria did t end there, i sensed an essence of cola syrup, wait, no, not cola syrup but Dr. Pepper syrup.  It was like a sex on the beach chased with a 52 oz. Dr. Pepper from 7-11...oh, wait, hold on...whats going on here

This mamgo has no peach flavor whatsoever.   It was a juicy mango with a distict essence of tangerine or mandarin orange.   It can really rival or even surpass the Orange Sherbert.   The texture is much different than that of an OS, it is similar to but softer than that of the Pickering.   Damn i love this mango.

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 ;D truer words were never spoken.  That is almost word-for-word what I was going to say  8)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 14, 2015, 08:45:10 AM
Unknown Street Mango - review

This mango was found next to a sidewalk in the city of Lake Worth, FL. It appears to have fallen off a tree that is at least 20 years old. I've searched for newer mango cultivars this summer and wanted to compare them with the Old Florida neighborhood stock I grew up on. This mango looked good. It smelled like turpentine, especially the sap near the stem. Cutting it open, you can immediately see a row of tiny fibers poking out from the edge of the slice. The mango tastes medium sweet, acidic and solvent-y -  like slightly watered down canned orange juice shaken & stirred with a couple drops of house paint. At first it's somewhat acceptable but the pleasant part fades quickly and the more chemical flavors are all that's left. There is a lingering, bitter aftertaste that feels like it would be best to eat something else or drink some milk to wash it off your palette. I would rate this mango as "fair" because it would work if you were hungry and I have found worse - smaller, uglier, more fibrous and more astringent ones.

(http://s2.postimg.cc/aetibf2rp/IMG_20150714_080328.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aetibf2rp/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 14, 2015, 08:51:36 AM
Unknown Street Mango - review

This mango was found next to a sidewalk in the city of Lake Worth, FL. It appears to have fallen off a tree that is at least 20 years old. I've searched for newer mango cultivars this summer and wanted to compare them with the Old Florida neighborhood stock I grew up on. This mango looked good. It smelled like turpentine, especially the sap near the stem. Cutting it open, you can immediately see a row of tiny fibers poking out from the edge of the slice. The mango tastes medium sweet, acidic and solvent-y -  like slightly watered down canned orange juice shaken & stirred with a few drops of house paint. At first it's somewhat enjoyable but the good part fades quickly and the more chemical flavors are all that's left. There is a lingering, bitter aftertaste that feels like it would be best to eat something else or drink some coconut milk to wash it off your palette. I would rate this mango as "fair" because it would work if you were really hungry and I have found worse - smaller, uglier, more fibrous and more astringent ones.

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I guess no one is going to be asking you for the address!  (It looks beautiful, though!)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 14, 2015, 10:37:05 AM
Peach Cobbler
What more can i say, its like running through the peach orcards in Georgia nude on a early summer morning with the sweet nectar oozing down my breasts and thighs (i could almost feel the soft fuzz with every bite.  The eupboria did t end there, i sensed an essence of cola syrup, wait, no, not cola syrup but Dr. Pepper syrup.  It was like a sex on the beach chased with a 52 oz. Dr. Pepper from 7-11...oh, wait, hold on...whats going on here

This mamgo has no peach flavor whatsoever.   It was a juicy mango with a distict essence of tangerine or mandarin orange.   It can really rival or even surpass the Orange Sherbert.   The texture is much different than that of an OS, it is similar to but softer than that of the Pickering.   Damn i love this mango.

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Thanks, Rob, for the hilarious spoof and for the review!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 14, 2015, 03:08:27 PM
Seacrest - Mango Review

From the looks and flavor of this 1lb. mango, I would guess it has PPK genetics. Tastes like a Sweet Tart (or maybe even Dot or Gary?) crossed with a Lemon Zest. First there's a pleasingly acidic zing, then smooth & creamy mango flavors, and finally a full-on LZ-OS citrus finale. No resin flavors and an acidic / OJ aftertaste.  I would rate this mango as "excellent" and say its delicious, recommend it those who like flavorful mangos.


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 14, 2015, 03:32:27 PM
Seacrest is an Edward seedling.  Best description is creamy like an Edward in teture, sweet but not cloying with floral notes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on July 14, 2015, 06:28:03 PM
Tog Bi Con

Had a couple of these mangoes from my tree these past weeks and I must say I'm a bit saddened. Was so looking forward to freeing up some acreage after this mango season but this mango blew me away. I was expecting something in the realm of Nam Doc Mai but Tog Bi Con is not a one dimensional mango. On first bite you get a rush of sugar as if you were eating a thick piece of bubble gum- specifically Bubble Yum (R) brand. Then the flavors hit you. A strong pineapple flavor, then some jackfruit/ juicy fruit gum then the smell of bananas. The mangoes from my tree start to ripen from the bottom up and since waiting for it to color up before consuming, the lower half of it (especially at the tip) lacked that shocking complexity of the upper half. Another great feature about this mango is the flesh to seed ratio. The seed, regardless of mango size, is about as thick as 4-5 regular business cards stacked together and just as long. Two of my biggest I harvested thus far weighed well over 2lbs at 8-9 inches long. so there was an enormous amount of fiberless flesh to enjoy. The crop this year came in 3 sizes: Large, XL, and small. The small mangoes tend to have a blotchy blush that resembled the images of those Rorschach psychological tests and it came in both dark blue and magenta colors. Some cons about the tree is that it is super vigorous and internodal spaces average ~1.5 ft. Its a challenge to tame and even with tipping it still gets leggy. Since fruit size are mostly large to extra large, so effective branch support is a must as it consistently held 4-5 mangoes per pannicle (lost about 12 to weight). None of my 36 fruits had that base "hook" like some pictures of Ivory mango floating on the forum, so I'm still curious as to whether both Tog Bi Con and Ivory are the same. Pic(s) will be up later tonite.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 14, 2015, 07:19:24 PM
Having a room full of mangoes, 2 kids under 2, and a bunch of budwood that needs grafting, I do not have the time nor the narcotics to write anything creative.  I am also low-tech so these reviews won't be so exciting for those looking for mango porn, but here is a small blurb about each of the mangoes I just sampled:

Tyler Premier:  This is a large round fruit with a very cool shape.  Lots of juicy flesh...didn't notice any fiber.  This isn't going to be anyone's favorite mango, but there's something about them I like.  For a milder mango that has good flavor and isn't offensive, I prefer this to glenn and others of the same ilk.


34-24 (Cecilove):  Awesome mango for those who like bombay.  I have a sunrise ripening so I will see how it measures up, but this is better than Bombay IMHO...creamy seemed larger than Bombay but maybe just different shape...anyway, to me it was an improved Bombay...better than the Emeralds I have had but still have more so maybe they will get better.  Excellent mango!

Wally:  Not a bad mango, had some fiber, juicy, and decent subacid/sweet balance, but just couldn't hold it's own against these heavyweights.

Lemon Zest:  Finally, I get it!!!  LZ will never be my GOAT because I just don't like that orange flavor as much as other mango flavors.  Having said that, my LZ tree will not be on the chopping block ever.  Intense, creamy orange sherbet flavor.  Excellent mango.

Cac:  All jokes aside, this mango is as good as mangoes come...It has intense tropical flavor, creamy texture, and sweet aftertaste...and it's a big mango.  10 out of 10 kind of mango.  SO glad I have a tree!  Was the winner for much of the tasting....until

Kryptonite:  OH, MY FREAKING GOD!!!  This mango was so intense and perfect balance and texture!!  Left me laughing to myself like a crazy person (previously done when eating:  maha chanok, sweet tart, fruit punch, pineapple pleasure, seacrest, and coconut cream).  This mango totally snatched the Gold medal from Cac...not sure what the history on this is, but I suspect it was a # and Richard put a name on it (also see next review)

Last, but not least, was
Bolt (again a "new" variety from Fairchild, named for the Jamaican theme...no info on it, but it was good enough to make me stop and say WOW!  It is on the tart/subacid side, but it is like a tart but not overpowering punch in the taste buds!!  Bolt and Kryptonite deserve more looking into.

1. kryptonite
2. cac
3. bolt
4. lemon zest
5. 34-24
all 5 very worthy of having a tree
Honorable mention: Tyler Premier




Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: LEOOEL on July 15, 2015, 02:03:33 AM
'Young' (Tebow) mango review Update:

Even though I like this mango so much, I am quite certain that the reviews (below) and my liking of it is not biased. Many mangos in the growing collection of mango varieties in the yard have been given away to family and acquaintances this year. And, of all the varieties that I currently have - Haden, Miracle/Chok-Anon, Rosy-Gold, Edward, Alphonso, Fairchild, an-unknown-variety and Young (LZ not producing yet; Carrie began this year) - the favorite one with just about everybody, and the one that they ask for the most is 'Young.' It has a subtle sugar content that IMO strangely enhances the eating experience of this mango. It is a special and exquisite pleasure to eat this quality mango.

This is the list I have so far of 'Perfect (or near perfect) Dessert Mango Cultivars.' I'm trying to make a list of mango cultivars that have no fiber, a thin seed, and taste good...:

Tebow
July 29, 2013
Medium size mango. It changes to a yellowish color when it's ready to pick. It's completly fiberless, and has a very thin seed. This is a dessert mango. If what they mean by dessert, is that you can slice each side of the mango, and then scoop the flesh/meat out with a spoon, then this is it; perfect mango so far. Now, the flavor, let me put it this way, it doesn't reach the caliber taste of an Edward or Alphonso mango. Nevertheless, it's sweet and tasty. When I'm done eating one, I always want more. I have a producing tree in my yard, and every year I can't wait to eat its fruit. That tree is a keeper.
August 13, 2013
Today I had a tree ripened Tebow mango off the the tree in my yard. The color was yellow, the size was medium-large. And, I want to take another shot at the description of the taste, while being as impartial as possible. This mango cultivar is not like others, where when you have one mango, you're satisfied and don't really crave for more. With this cultivar, I always want more. The taste is sweet but not overwhelming/overpowering, it's a delicious, fine, delicate taste. It reminds me of addictive fruits like lychee and longan, you just want to keep on eating more and more. The seed is very thin, and there is a lot of flesh to eat.
LEOOEL
 
'Young' (Tebow) mango review
Medium size mango. It changes to a yellowish color when it's ready to pick. It's completly fiberless, and has a very thin seed. This is a dessert mango. If what they mean by dessert, is that you can slice each side of the mango, and then scoop the flesh/meat out with a spoon, then this is it; perfect mango so far. Now, the flavor, let me put it this way, it doesn't reach the caliber taste of an Edward or Alphonso mango. Nevertheless, it's sweet and tasty. When I'm done eating one, I always want more. I have a producing tree in my yard, and every year I can't wait to eat its fruit. That tree is a keeper.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: WGphil on July 15, 2015, 08:57:10 AM
I have a Young and it has fruit for the first time.  I had a major raccoon attack this week on my Fairchild but the fruit on the Young, much bigger and twenty feet away, wasn't touched.

At least I may be able to tree ripen the Young.  Trap buying today. 

Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 15, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
'Young' (Tebow) mango review Update:

It has a subtle sugar content that IMO strangely enhances the eating experience of this mango. It is a special and exquisite pleasure to eat this quality mango.


Wow, that sounds interesting. By this time of the summer, after a number of very sweet mangos, I would love to try one that is a bit less sweet but still tastes good.
Title: Re: Best/Near-Perfect Dessert Mangoes - Cultivar Reviews
Post by: zands on July 15, 2015, 10:44:48 AM

Wow, that sounds interesting. By this time of the summer, after a number of very sweet mangos, I would love to try one that is a bit less sweet but still tastes good.

Old school Florida mango Kent, is solid for this. It is usually a late July into August mango but some have it now
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: dongeorgio on July 15, 2015, 11:29:26 AM
Peach Cobbler
What more can i say, its like running through the peach orcards in Georgia nude on a early summer morning with the sweet nectar oozing down my breasts and thighs (i could almost feel the soft fuzz with every bite. 






And, just like that, peaches are ruined for me forever
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 15, 2015, 01:32:44 PM
Peach Cobbler
What more can i say, it's like running through the peach orchards in Georgia nude on an early summer morning with the sweet nectar oozing down my breasts and thighs (i could almost feel the soft fuzz with every bite.  The euphoria didn't end there, i sensed an essence of cola syrup, wait, no, not cola syrup but Dr. Pepper syrup.  It was like a sex on the beach chased with a 52 oz. Dr. Pepper from 7-11...

This mango has no peach flavor whatsoever.   It was a juicy mango with a distict essence of tangerine or mandarin orange.   It can really rival or even surpass the Orange Sherbert.   The texture is much different than that of an OS, it is similar to but softer than that of the Pickering.   Damn i love this mango.

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Rob, it was discreet of you not to mention that nubile nymphs carried you up to the heavens and laid you on a bed of rose petals.

BTW, Will Peach Cobbler fruit show any color to indicate readiness for picking?  Mine has not grown for a while, and also shows no color but green.


(http://s11.postimg.cc/d1ioqienj/Sweet_Tart_Large.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/d1ioqienj/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 15, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
It can be picked green however you will need to be able to determine the "right stage" of green.  It should show some faint yellow pattern(s) in a perfect scenario.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 15, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
Thanks. Initiating daily monitoring.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 16, 2015, 08:38:58 AM
Sweet Tart

I was getting mango fatigued -- no longer that excited about tasting another sweet orange blob. Tonight that changed. I let this one ripen until the skin was yellow and it began to get soft but not wrinkled. The inside flesh was succulent & dark orange. It reminded me why I love tropical fruit - because of those rare experiences where you taste something so appealing that it seems unlikely it could grow from a natural seed in the ground. Where you wonder if it might have somehow been genetically altered or contain alien DNA?

This mango has a magnificent sweetness that outshines candy & cane sugar... with a musky cantaloupe-like undertone and a bold tartness that tingled and tickled my mouth.  Some cola syrup was under the skin and most concentrated near the stem. I tried to slow down and enjoy each bite... but I staggered and could... not... stop... until all that remained were some paper thin strips of skin and a very clean seed. I rate this mango as "outstanding" - a wonder of nature and agriculture. It's the perfect size, too... any bigger would be gluttonous for something so rich.

Now I wanna try the Kryptonite and Bolt mangos... based on the name and descriptions. How do they compare to Sweet Tart?

(http://s7.postimg.cc/66scu39vb/IMG_20150715_185429.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/66scu39vb/)
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 16, 2015, 10:21:08 AM
For those who have been wondering, the bolt mango is named after this guy
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 16, 2015, 11:18:15 AM
SWEET TART is one powerfully flavored mango.  The sweet and tart components are more pronounced than any other mango I've tasted.  It also has the darkest orange flesh of any mango--must be loaded with vitamins!  Size is perfect because if it were any larger you couldn't finish it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 17, 2015, 01:25:23 PM




Cac:  All jokes aside, this mango is as good as mangoes come...It has intense tropical flavor, creamy texture, and sweet aftertaste...and it's a big mango.  10 out of 10 kind of mango.  SO glad I have a tree!  Was the winner for much of the tasting....until

Kryptonite:  OH, MY FREAKING GOD!!!  This mango was so intense and perfect balance and texture!!  Left me laughing to myself like a crazy person (previously done when eating:  maha chanok, sweet tart, fruit punch, pineapple pleasure, seacrest, and coconut cream).  This mango totally snatched the Gold medal from Cac...not sure what the history on this is, but I suspect it was a # and Richard put a name on it (also see next review)

Last, but not least, was
Bolt (again a "new" variety from Fairchild, named for the Jamaican theme...no info on it, but it was good enough to make me stop and say WOW!  It is on the tart/subacid side, but it is like a tart but not overpowering punch in the taste buds!!  Bolt and Kryptonite deserve more looking into.

1. kryptonite
2. cac
3. bolt


Is Kryptonite a real thing?   Then it's time to cut down Jacquelin, I guess.

I sincerely thought I had acquired every wonderful terrific G.O.A.T.  mango tree.  It was a strange, lonely feeling, actually.

Did Richard Campbell talk about Kryptonite at all?    Or did he mention something about "new selections to be released soon" ?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 17, 2015, 02:45:29 PM
Sweet Tart

This mango has a magnificent sweetness that outshines candy & cane sugar... with a musky cantaloupe-like undertone and a bold tartness that tingled and tickled my mouth.  Some cola syrup was under the skin and most concentrated near the stem. I tried to slow down and enjoy each bite.It's the perfect size, too... any bigger would be gluttonous for something so rich.

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The sweet-tart mango is the sweetest mango I have encountered. It veers into sugary so diabetics should avoid this one and I am only half joking. Yes there are some sub-acid and tart flavors underneath. The sub acid + tart component is 15% of the amount of the sweet components  so if you don't like tart you don't have to worry about planting this mango tree.

IOW: don't let the word tart in the name sweet tart mango discourage you. Tart is a minor participant but leavens things (taste) up, like yeast in bread.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 17, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
The sweet-tart mango is the sweetest mango I have encountered. It veers into sugary so diabetics should avoid this one and I am only half joking. Yes there are some sub-acid and tart flavors underneath. The sub acid + tart component is 15% of the amount of the sweet components  so if you don't like tart you don't have to worry about planting this mango tree.

I concur with your description of the taste, when ripe. If eaten a bit under-ripe it can be very sour. Kind of good, if you like wild flavor rides. The tartness has more than one element to it. I think there's a general, diffuse tartness and there are also little "bursts" of more intense acidic tastes... something like like sour "sprinkles" or crystals... under the skin.

I squeezed a spoonful or so of Sweet Tart juice out of some slices. Wow! It was amazing  ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 17, 2015, 09:53:59 PM
Not only is Sweet Tart more sour/zcidic if underripe but it also has what i cond I der an unpalatable chalky characteristic (sorry, Jeff) similar to its parent, ZINC.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 17, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
Did anyone have a zinc mango this year?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 17, 2015, 10:38:28 PM
Did anyone have a zinc mango this year?

yes, why?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 18, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
Did anyone have a zinc mango this year?

yes, why?

It is the only one I did not see anywhere in my travels
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 18, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
I squeezed a spoonful or so of Sweet Tart juice out of some slices. Wow! It was amazing  ;D

I always spoon up the left over juice from cutting into lemon zest and sweet tart. I prolly posted before but scrape the skin of the lemon zest (with your spoon) to get the orange sherbet flavor people talk about.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on July 19, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
O Henry

Stopped by Walter Zill's this morning and was sad to hear we're starting to reach the end of their mango season. They had mostly Honey Kiss & Hatcher and O Henrys on sale - and when those finish, it's Keitt, I was told. Then we hit the dog days of the Florida summer, when the temperatures continue to climb but the mango trees are bare.

 The O Henry smells really nice, a fruity peach scent. The inside fruit was a very light yellow color - almost yellow-white towards the edges. The flesh had a light, spongy texture that reminded me of a coco plum - with a bit of fiber.  It tasted moderately sweet, subacidic and had a touch of resin flavor - the kind that tastes more like solvents than spices. I took another bite and tasted something almost exactly like a peach mixed in with the rest of the flavors. I would rate this mango as "good" on the scale that includes feral & street mangos, some of which are nasty and barely edible...but its very lackluster compared to most of varieties sold at Zills. Scent and texture, not taste, are this mango's better qualities.

(http://s10.postimg.cc/almp7mff9/IMG_20150719_110535.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/almp7mff9/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 19, 2015, 09:14:15 PM
Found this Providence hiding in the top of the canopy.  Dont usually see them this colorful in the tree.

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One of my favorite mango pics posted on this thread, if you didn't say this was a mango I would think some other fruit. Interesting symmetrical shape with full redness and white corky dots, very unique.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on July 20, 2015, 03:13:38 PM
Beverly

Got these at Spyke's Groves. Having seeing them only as pics on the internet, these mangoes were much, much larger in reality than expected. They were not so sweet but very juicy. The flesh was very light and smooth in texture- and even though it had fiber, it was so thin (the fibers) that it seemed smoother than it would indicate. The skin reminded me of cutting through an East Indian. Though not as thick, it has the potential to develop sharp edges that can cut your lip corners if not eaten carefully. East Indian and Ice Cream share that skin trait in my experience. Very poor shelf life. If these were representative of Beverly mangoes (though we are past the middle of July), Neelam is clearly a better tasting, longer shelf life, late season mango. Seed germinating in the ripening/ripened mango seems to be a shared trait :(.


Tog Bi Con

Continues to impress me. Sweet, sugary pineapple flavor. Not at the levels of PP (Pineapple Pleasure) but more than enough to recognize and enjoy. The great thing about TBC big mangoes is that they can never ripen evenly due to their size so you get to sample it at various stages of ripeness :D. Overripe (the pit) has no flavor whatsoever. Slightly under ripe is where the mango enjoyment is at for me. Production, size, flesh to seed ratio, disease resistance, shelf life, flavor, intense sweetness....this mango has it. If it could develop some nice, uniform coloration, and be half as vigorous as it it, it would be a star.


Kathy (K-3)
This was a medium large mango. A ZINC seedling. Not a creamy type of mango but very sweet with some small yet delightful lime sour areas in the flesh. Most were in the sides and not near the skin. It reminded me of some of the best Alphonso mangoes I've had at TT in 2014- a different flavor experience with ever other bite that isn't bland. Sweet, sweet, sour-sweet, sweet. Extremely delightful mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 20, 2015, 03:23:58 PM
Are you sure that was a Beverly?  Not how I would describe a Beverly in any way, almost the opposite of Beverlys are and should be.  As far as "shelf life", there are very few mangoes that have a descent shelf life, with Tommy Atkins and Edgar being a couple of exceptions.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 21, 2015, 02:43:51 AM
Sweet Tart

I was getting mango fatigued -- no longer that excited about tasting another sweet orange blob. Tonight that changed. I let this one ripen until the skin was yellow and it began to get soft but not wrinkled. The inside flesh was succulent & dark orange. It reminded me why I love tropical fruit - because of those rare experiences where you taste something so appealing that it seems unlikely it could grow from a natural seed in the ground. Where you wonder if it might have somehow been genetically altered or contain alien DNA?

This mango has a magnificent sweetness that outshines candy & cane sugar... with a musky cantaloupe-like undertone and a bold tartness that tingled and tickled my mouth.  Some cola syrup was under the skin and most concentrated near the stem. I tried to slow down and enjoy each bite... but I staggered and could... not... stop... until all that remained were some paper thin strips of skin and a very clean seed. I rate this mango as "outstanding" - a wonder of nature and agriculture. It's the perfect size, too... any bigger would be gluttonous for something so rich.

Now I wanna try the Kryptonite and Bolt mangos... based on the name and descriptions. How do they compare to Sweet Tart?


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Tough to compare different varieties, especially when I have only sampled a few sweet tarts, 1 bolt (one more ready to go tomorrow), and like 4-5 kryptonites.  Plus, they were all sampled during only one year of production, so can't really count on this stuff as being too accurate over the long term.  But, here goes:

The perfectly ripened sweet tart is a divine experience--powerful flavor and sweetness wins the battle in the end...seemed like it melted in my mouth.  Still my favorite mango at the moment.

Next, I would probably choose kryptonite over Bolt, but they are both intense flavor profiles...the only thing is that Bolt is a pretty tart mango, yet smooth--definitely not underripe--just tart, which I like (not tart like lemons--but sort of similar to sweet tart's flavor but without the end sweetness) .  The kryptonite has the pineapply intense flavor, but also has creamy mango sweetness, while bolt is more.  If one had the space, all 3 would be worth growing (strictly based upon tasting--not production, season, disease resistance, etc.)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 21, 2015, 02:45:17 AM
SWEET TART is one powerfully flavored mango.  The sweet and tart components are more pronounced than any other mango I've tasted.  It also has the darkest orange flesh of any mango--must be loaded with vitamins!  Size is perfect because if it were any larger you couldn't finish it.
agreed.  It's a great mango that should be in every yard ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 21, 2015, 02:50:45 AM




Cac:  All jokes aside, this mango is as good as mangoes come...It has intense tropical flavor, creamy texture, and sweet aftertaste...and it's a big mango.  10 out of 10 kind of mango.  SO glad I have a tree!  Was the winner for much of the tasting....until

Kryptonite:  OH, MY FREAKING GOD!!!  This mango was so intense and perfect balance and texture!!  Left me laughing to myself like a crazy person (previously done when eating:  maha chanok, sweet tart, fruit punch, pineapple pleasure, seacrest, and coconut cream).  This mango totally snatched the Gold medal from Cac...not sure what the history on this is, but I suspect it was a # and Richard put a name on it (also see next review)

Last, but not least, was
Bolt (again a "new" variety from Fairchild, named for the Jamaican theme...no info on it, but it was good enough to make me stop and say WOW!  It is on the tart/subacid side, but it is like a tart but not overpowering punch in the taste buds!!  Bolt and Kryptonite deserve more looking into.

1. kryptonite
2. cac
3. bolt


Is Kryptonite a real thing?   Then it's time to cut down Jacquelin, I guess.

I sincerely thought I had acquired every wonderful terrific G.O.A.T.  mango tree.  It was a strange, lonely feeling, actually.

Did Richard Campbell talk about Kryptonite at all?    Or did he mention something about "new selections to be released soon" ?

I was unable to speak with him during the festival, except to ask about Late Julie, which he said was 29-26.  If we are persistent at bugging Richard and/or Noris for more details.  I also am basing this off one year's tastings, rather than keeping data over time, so while I do believe them to be top-notch mangoes, it will be more difficult to know how they perform year-in and year-out.  Bolt is awesome, but not for those who don't like a mango that is on the creamy, tart side (not chalky)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on July 25, 2015, 12:48:55 AM
Amy

If any of my trini brethren has been able to taste this mango (a Jakarta seedling), didn't you find it was a tasting image of Calabash mango? I did. From smell of the skin, to flesh, to it's taste but with better size/flesh, less fiber, and color. A very sweet and juicy mango- and even for it's large size, I had to consume it in that one sitting. Delicious.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: sunworshiper on July 25, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
I got to taste several premium varieties this year, thought I'd share my impressions


Maha Chanok -  this is a new favorite! Very sweet, especially near the skin. Not sure I taste cola near the skin, but I understand the reference - super sweet and complex. Center has some nice tart elements. No resin or bad flavor. Very rich,  and does have a distinct smell I can't place, maybe like jackfruit. Flesh is smooth and firm, no fiber, no mushy parts. One of the best mangos I've had.  I'll be adding this one to my yard!

Venus - the one I had was overripe, it had very sour smell before cutting, making it hard to tell when it was the best time to cut into.  There were some chalky spots by the stem, middle had a fizzy bit. Kind of peachy, but in a cloying canned in heavy syrup sort of way. Very sweet. Will reserve judgement until I taste one closer to optimum ripeness.

Fairchild - smelled a bit like celery on the outside, but none of that carried into the fruit flesh. It was a very good mango. No special flavors - just mango. Good sweet tart balance, with the tip being sweet and the stem end having a pleasant tartness.

Sweet tart - Definitely one of my top picks, this is another new favorite! Had a bright, green smell to it when peeling, hard to describe but pleasing. Exceptionally good tangy profile, but not too much. Nice amount of sweet, and very rich mango flavor. Firm flesh, but still quite juicy.

Lemon zest - I'm kind of mixed on if I like this one. It is without doubt excellent quality and really does taste a lot like candied lemon rind. But lemon rind is a flavor that is a bit overwhelming for me. Had 2, the first I was so so about it had a twinge of the bitterness of lemon rind. The second while having significant anthracnose damage, was spectacular. Just like candy. Less rind taste,and more sweet lemon flavor. Firm flesh, super juicy, and very sweet. Had it with fish & coconut rice - that was great. Almost like it is so rich you need a palate cleanser like savory food between bites.

Coconut cream - This is an excellent creamy mango. Really does taste like coconut cream plus mango. The coconut flavor is very clean, some mangos that have hints of coconut have a bit of a weird flavor to me. Not this one - just add rum and you'd have a great tropical drink!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 25, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
Kathy

If any of my trini brethren has been able to taste this mango (a Jakarta seedling), didn't you find it was a tasting image of Calabash mango? I did. From smell of the skin, to flesh, to it's taste but with better size/flesh, less fiber, and color. A very sweet and juicy mango- and even for it's large size, I had to consume it in that one sitting. Delicious.

If this is what i gave you, it is what is known as K-3 and is a ZINC seedling,  not a Jakarta seedling.   The Amy is the Jakarta seedling.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 25, 2015, 05:09:55 PM
I am also awaiting a good venus trial--had 1 but it didn't ripen properly so will have to wait and see.

sunworshipper:  I agree.  Those are some fine mangoes you were exposed to.

After sampling many mangoes from the Fairchild Mango Festival, Kryptonite was the clear-cut winner, each time it was sampled.  Still don't know much about it, but it was the best mango tasted in a while, maybe even as good as the earlier heavyweights like fruit punch, dupuis, pineapple pleasure, guava, etc

Marley mango:  I enjoyed this mango very much....started out as just a good sweet regular mango flavor, but the fruit was underripe and as I ate near the seed, it came ALIVE and was very citrusy!  I heard through the grapevine that this is a mango that came from someone named D. Burd.  Definitely one to keep an eye out for.  It is a firm mango and hard to cut crosswise, but no fiber detected whle eating (weird).

Bolt:  as mentioned before, it was quite good, but only had 1 fruit so tough to know about its flavor consistency.  Same goes for 40-17 which was awesome, but only 1 fruit.  to be continued...

34-24 (cecilove):  awesome at every tasting (like kryptonite but not as good).  Even got the wife's seal of approval with Kryptonite and Cac.

Providence:  what else can I say, love this mango!  Large, juicy, flavorful

Orange Sherbet:  One of my faves for sure....I much prefer it to LZ.

Dusehri:  Was quite good...don't remember much else, but the fact that I liked it out of many different varieties.

Zinc:  can be chalky and cause mouth to tingle in the past (for me at least), but this one was a winner.  Sweet and just a great all-around experience.

Parvin:  I think this mango is very good...many will laugh at that, but I too am a mango snob, and I have nothing bad to say about parvin.  Way better than Kent and Keiit IMHO

Keitt:  had never had a florida-grown, unboiled Keitt before this year.  Wow!  What a difference.  I like Keitt and would eat these mangoes if they were all I had available.

Sig Siput:  Didn't expect to like this mango, but it was quite good.  No pics, and no real talent in tasting descriptions, but it is what it is.  Maybe others can chime in.

Beverly:  creamy and delicious!!  A great late season mango ( i even like them underripe)


Some that I didn't care for:

myrinthianashahs (no idea how to spell it, but no thanks--may be from myanmar iirc)
emerald--just didn't agree with me
mammou:  strong melon flavor
graham:  just not sweet enough for me
mallika:  sorry, I just don't like mallika, at all!
Pettigrew:  no thanks, weird off-flavor
Heidi:  no thanks....mango snobbery card pulled
Crystal:  pretty bland
Osteen:  mango snob card pulled
Neelam:  pretty good but don't care for the vegetably aftertaste
Step:  interesting flavor, but doesn't make the cut.



Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: GrassFlats on July 25, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Sunworshiper, you didn't find the Fairchild to have a more complex flavor?  I detected a piney almost Carrie like spice flavor to it but not as strong as Carrie...so it looks like you're getting a Maha huh?  Are you going to buy a tree or graft onto the Angie?

Rob, is Maha an early, mid, or late season mango?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 25, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
Sunworshiper, you didn't find the Fairchild to have a more complex flavor?  I detected a piney almost Carrie like spice flavor to it but not as strong as Carrie...so it looks like you're getting a Maha huh?  Are you going to buy a tree or graft onto the Angie?

Rob, is Maha an early, mid, or late season mango?

Mahachanok is known to have an extended fruiting season.   It is possible to have fruits spanning from as early as mid June through mid August.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 25, 2015, 10:17:16 PM
E-4

What can i say, this continues to be a top of the heap fruit.  This mango has a base flavor similar to that of peach cobbler but without any distinct specific fruit flavor all the while you taste the distinct coconut flavor.   It is not a sickly sweet coconut oil flavor like that of Coconut Cream but instead a well balanced mango that is very sweet but a hint of acidity to keep it from being cloying.  Texture is just perfect, juicy and tender yet firm enough not to be soft or mushy.

(http://s21.postimg.cc/9r62ybzhf/20150725_201816.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9r62ybzhf/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 25, 2015, 10:25:23 PM
Cotton Candy

Uh oh.  Look out ladies and gentlemen,  put the children in their rooms.  There may be a new sheriff in town.  This mango is a Keitt crossed with Gary.  If you like high acidic levels in your mango read no further.  At first bite you taste a the flavor of a firm but tamed down Gary (no distinct pina colada flavor) and then all hell breaks loose and here comes the flavor of, yes, I am not kidding, the flavor of cotton c andy on through the finish.  I have eaten a few of these and the flavor profile is consistent.

(http://s2.postimg.cc/j99nw00jp/20150725_201827.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/j99nw00jp/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 25, 2015, 10:43:28 PM
Cotton Candy

Uh oh.  Look out ladies and gentlemen,  put the children in their rooms.  There may be a new sheriff in town.  This mango is a Keitt crossed with Gary.  If you like high acidic levels in your mango read no further.  At first bite you taste a the flavor of a firm but tamed down Gary (no distinct pina colada flavor) and then all hell breaks loose and here comes the flavor of, yes, I am not kidding, the flavor of cotton c andy on through the finish.  I have eaten a few of these and the flavor profile is consistent.

([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/j99nw00jp/20150725_201827.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/j99nw00jp/[/url])


you know where to find me!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on July 26, 2015, 07:22:45 AM
Cotton Candy

Uh oh.  Look out ladies and gentlemen,  put the children in their rooms.  There may be a new sheriff in town.  This mango is a Keitt crossed with Gary.  If you like high acidic levels in your mango read no further.  At first bite you taste a the flavor of a firm but tamed down Gary (no distinct pina colada flavor) and then all hell breaks loose and here comes the flavor of, yes, I am not kidding, the flavor of cotton c andy on through the finish.  I have eaten a few of these and the flavor profile is consistent.

([url]http://s2.postimg.cc/j99nw00jp/20150725_201827.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/j99nw00jp/[/url])


I use to say to myself I never want to live past a hundred because the quality of life would be terrible....I think the Zill dynasty of mangoes has given me a reason to reach a ripe old age of 125.

 I Could be in a nursing home with a diaper on in a vegetable state as long as a Hot Nurse is bringing me these Hot Mangoes!!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 26, 2015, 07:49:39 AM
Rob, you're going to make us crazy.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 26, 2015, 09:31:12 AM
I actually thought it was a joke at first.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 26, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
Lemon zest comment:
About seven days ago I had the last lemon zest off my tree. It has lots more of the orange flavor throughout the flesh. Usually this is most noticeable near the skin when you scrape the final flesh off.

Maybe lemon zest gets more of an orange flavor in the last third of the harvest? Maybe it gets more orange flavor as the tree gets older? Maybe drier years produce it?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: sunworshiper on July 26, 2015, 09:55:28 AM
Grass flats, the Fairchild is a very good mango, but I didn't find it to be complex or spicy. It had kind of concentrated mango flavor (good thing), but I didn't detect other flavors in it. But it was up against some stiff competition on the complexity scale! I've never had Carrie, so can't comment on that. I have decided on Maha for my yard.  I considered Fairchild - liked it, but the spread out fruiting season and its unique flavor of the Maha made it the winner. I'm going to topwork the Angie.

The E-4 and cotton candy sound great!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: FruitFreak on July 26, 2015, 11:31:53 AM

Rob - what is the E-4? and Where were you fortunate enough to try these newer crosses? 

E-4

What can i say, this continues to be a top of the heap fruit.  This mango has a base flavor similar to that of peach cobbler but without any distinct specific fruit flavor all the while you taste the distinct coconut flavor.   It is not a sickly sweet coconut oil flavor like that of Coconut Cream but instead a well balanced mango that is very sweet but a hint of acidity to keep it from being cloying.  Texture is just perfect, juicy and tender yet firm enough not to be soft or mushy.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/9r62ybzhf/20150725_201816.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9r62ybzhf/[/url])

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: gunnar429 on July 26, 2015, 08:52:41 PM
E-4 was available at the PBRFC lecture in June, that Gary Zill hosted.  There were lots of heavyweights there that night, but E-4 was definitely in contention for top prize. 
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16276.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16276.0)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 26, 2015, 09:35:17 PM

Rob - what is the E-4? and Where were you fortunate enough to try these newer crosses? 

E-4

What can i say, this continues to be a top of the heap fruit.  This mango has a base flavor similar to that of peach cobbler but without any distinct specific fruit flavor all the while you taste the distinct coconut flavor.   It is not a sickly sweet coconut oil flavor like that of Coconut Cream but instead a well balanced mango that is very sweet but a hint of acidity to keep it from being cloying.  Texture is just perfect, juicy and tender yet firm enough not to be soft or mushy.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/9r62ybzhf/20150725_201816.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9r62ybzhf/[/url])




Both the E -4 and Cotton Candy are part of the Gary Zill breeding program.   As for where i got them from, sometimes its who you know and being in the right place at the right time.

Highly doubtful the E -4 will ever be propagated. If I had to guess I would say there may be a chance the Cotton Candy is propagated in the not so distant future.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: FruitFreak on July 28, 2015, 03:55:20 PM

Rob - what is the E-4? and Where were you fortunate enough to try these newer crosses? 

E-4

What can i say, this continues to be a top of the heap fruit.  This mango has a base flavor similar to that of peach cobbler but without any distinct specific fruit flavor all the while you taste the distinct coconut flavor.   It is not a sickly sweet coconut oil flavor like that of Coconut Cream but instead a well balanced mango that is very sweet but a hint of acidity to keep it from being cloying.  Texture is just perfect, juicy and tender yet firm enough not to be soft or mushy.

([url]http://s21.postimg.cc/9r62ybzhf/20150725_201816.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/9r62ybzhf/[/url])




Both the E -4 and Cotton Candy are part of the Gary Zill breeding program.   As for where i got them from, sometimes its who you know and being in the right place at the right time.

Highly doubtful the E -4 will ever be propagated. If I had to guess I would say there may be a chance the Cotton Candy is propagated in the not so distant future.


Bully - Why would the E-4 not be propagated?  It sounds delicious and numerous mango snobs rate it highly.  Where did it fail within its trials?  How long do the trees undergo evaluation before deciding to release them or not?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 28, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
For now, E-4 is not being propagated due to various ripening issues.  It is known to have some issues over the years in addition to being difficult to k ow the right time to harvest.

These mangoes are observed for many years before final decisions are made.  As you can see, some are still pending/up in the air as to being propagated.   Who knows, 3 years from now something could change and warrant its propagation.   There are many factors that go into the decision,  not just taste.  For instance,  on taste alone Karen Michelle would be propagated however it is a consistent shy bearer.  This reason alone will prohibit the propagation of it.

If I had to guess, i would say Kathy and Cotton Candy are the next possible releases on the horizon.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Brev Grower on July 29, 2015, 02:31:08 AM
Lemon zest comment:
About seven days ago I had the last lemon zest off my tree. It has lots more of the orange flavor throughout the flesh. Usually this is most noticeable near the skin when you scrape the final flesh off.

Maybe lemon zest gets more of an orange flavor in the last third of the harvest? Maybe it gets more orange flavor as the tree gets older? Maybe drier years produce it?

Zands,

I too have noticed that my LZs have tasted more like lemon candy this year, than like orange sherbert from previous year. I have been picking them early due to worries of mango thieves. But my last 4 I will leave on the tree to see if it will attain the orange flavor that blew me away last time. It has been raining a lot here in the last month. But essentially no rain the previous two or three. And, I'll try the tip about scraping the flesh with the spoon... Thanks!

E
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 29, 2015, 08:05:44 AM
Lemon zest comment:
About seven days ago I had the last lemon zest off my tree. It has lots more of the orange flavor throughout the flesh. Usually this is most noticeable near the skin when you scrape the final flesh off.

Maybe lemon zest gets more of an orange flavor in the last third of the harvest? Maybe it gets more orange flavor as the tree gets older? Maybe drier years produce it?

Zands,

I too have noticed that my LZs have tasted more like lemon candy this year, than like orange sherbert from previous year. I have been picking them early due to worries of mango thieves. But my last 4 I will leave on the tree to see if it will attain the orange flavor that blew me away last time. It has been raining a lot here in the last month. But essentially no rain the previous two or three. And, I'll try the tip about scraping the flesh with the spoon... Thanks!

E

By scraping I mean you have cut two hemispheres off the mango. You scoop out with a spoon and eat. When you get to the skin scrape and scrape it to get that orangey goodness.                   the seed flesh is another matter

My last LZ that was orangey taste throughout had an orange exterior. It was dead ripe but no mushy at all. The skin was mango type of orange color all over
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 29, 2015, 08:31:15 AM
Why this is rehashed in so many posts is beyond me.  Pick any fruit early is going to give you just that, a fruit that did not ripen properly and tadtes like it was not ripened properly.   Also as has been posted, the longer LZ hangs on the tree the more blend of orangey lemon you get and the better it is.

Many are either too anxious or tpo concerned of "theft" by either two or four legged creatures in that they dont let fruit hang on the tree long enough.  I am not saying it should be fully soft and ready to eat or let it fall to be ripe, but there is a stage the mangoes should be left on the tree before they are picked.  To a degree, every mango is different and you have to know each mango's proper "sweet spot" stage before picking.  Remember,  almost all here are growing for personal consumption,  not commercial distribution.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ScottR on July 29, 2015, 07:43:18 PM
Following rehashed with moist lip's with a heart full of envy for all those who can fruit Mango's ;) 8) Mangoless in A.G.-California ::)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 30, 2015, 03:20:56 PM
Phoenix/Fenix

Here is another mango I will be wating on its release with bated breath.   Its a Dot seedling,  28-18, and oh man, can you say sugar overload.  I was lucky enough to eat only half of this fruit (was shared by its owner).  The flesh color was that of a perfect Dot but flavor put it in a different class.  Far sweeter than any Dot, maybr far sweeter than any other mango.  Funny thing is, it wasny cloying like Coconut Cream.   No cola syrup ot goddess juice, whatever that is, but what an over all possibly perfect mango, IMO.  Sorry acidic lovers, this one again may not be for you.  Just a beautifully complex intensely sweet mango.  I scraped the skin and no resin component.  I wish i had another to further sample and describe its flavors.  I think i spent the entire time while eating the half just enjoying it.

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edited to make zands the almighty happy.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Zarafet on July 30, 2015, 04:07:22 PM
What is the most resinous mango without or with very little fiber?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 30, 2015, 04:41:34 PM
Phoenix/Fenix

Here I s another mango I will be wating on its release with baited breath.   
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/93l81rpjx/20150729_192257.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/93l81rpjx/[/url])


It's bated breath and champing at the bit. Its also jibe, not jive as in, "my information does not jibe with yours" .....
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 30, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Phoenix/Fenix

Here I s another mango I will be wating on its release with baited breath.   
([url]http://s30.postimg.cc/93l81rpjx/20150729_192257.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://postimg.cc/image/93l81rpjx/[/url])


It's bated breath and champing at the bit. Its also jibe, not jive as in, "my information does not jibe with yours" .....


WTF are you babbling about now (yes, cell phones auto-correct at times you dont want them to)?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on July 30, 2015, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: zands
Its also jibe

As long as we're correcting people, the word you are looking for is "it's."
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: GrassFlats on July 30, 2015, 05:44:26 PM
tree characteristics of Phoenix?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 30, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: zands
Its also jibe

As long as we're correcting people, the word you are looking for is "it's."

Just don't let me catch you chomping at the bit any time soon.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on July 30, 2015, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: zands
Its also jibe

As long as we're correcting people, the word you are looking for is "it's."

Just don't let me catch you chomping at the bit any time soon.

Bad example. "Chomping at the bit" has been accepted since the 1930's and I believe has made its way into the Oxford English dictionary. "Champing" is the more formal term and arguable more proper but chomping is used interchangeably these days.

Better example would be something like "I could care less" which most people use as opposed to "I couldn't care less" which is the proper phrase. Another pet peeve of mine is nauseous vs nauseated.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 30, 2015, 06:51:16 PM
Phoenix tree characteristics is unknown at this time.  This has not yet been propagated at this time.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: clannewton on July 30, 2015, 11:48:10 PM
Had my first lemon zest today. Awesome!  It came off the tree as I was attempting to put some caging material arround it to protect it from the squirrels.  I was afraid it would not ripen correctly, but after a few days on the counter it softened and turned color.  That overtone of sweet lemon was great.  I have two left on the tree and hope they ripen longer on the tree as I hope to taste some of the orange overtones described by other posters about tree ripened lemon zests.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 31, 2015, 12:31:39 AM
Had my first lemon zest today. Awesome!  It came off the tree as I was attempting to put some caging material arround it to protect it from the squirrels.  I was afraid it would not ripen correctly, but after a few days on the counter it softened and turned color.  That overtone of sweet lemon was great.  I have two left on the tree and hope they ripen longer on the tree as I hope to taste some of the orange overtones described by other posters about tree ripened lemon zests.

Don't be dismayed if you don't get the orange taste this year, your tree's first fruiting year. The first year of fruiting can be a transition year with fruits that are not 100% representative. Scrape the skin to find some of the orangey tastes. No guarantee of course!                         Hanging longer should give you more orangey flavors. Lemon coming with the less ripe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on July 31, 2015, 12:36:32 AM

Champing is the original. I accept no arriviste substitutes. Here's hoping you use champing in conversation.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 06, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
I purchased a Providence mango from Walter Zill in Boynton Beach.  The variety seems to have Kent parentage, as it resembles Kent in appearance and also has a thick skin.  The flavor reminds me of Kent, as well, but a little more tart.  The flesh has a little fiber.  Walter says it is not a heavy producer.  All in all, it's a very pleasant tasting fruit and is in the running for my late variety.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 06, 2015, 09:00:05 PM
Providence does not really have fiber although it is a littke firmer than many.  Its not a super producer but Walter seems to downplay its abilities at times for some reason.   It does produce a decent number of fruit especially considering the fruit size is in th 1.5 - 2 pound average.   If you let it ripen up fully it loses most of that tart component.   Most people who dont know the fruit eat it gefore it is at its best.

Also,  so you know, it is not a true late variety.   It should be harvested by early to mid August or it tends to be prone to the seed sprouting within the fruit.

Dont get me wrong, its a very good variety,  you just need to be aware of its quirks, tendencies and qualities.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 07, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
Thanks, Rob.  Very useful information, as always.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 09, 2015, 09:23:56 AM

Champing is the original. I accept no arriviste substitutes. Here's hoping you use champing in conversation.

Thanks, Zands.  Arriviste is a new word for me; I love it.  And I had somehow lapsed to the dark side re chomp versus champ.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on August 09, 2015, 10:05:06 AM
Thanks, Zands.  Arriviste is a new word for me; I love it.  And I had somehow lapsed to the dark side re chomp versus champ.

Thanks...at least you picked up on it so that my efforts were not entirely wasted. Its a good word.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on August 10, 2015, 10:12:18 AM
Had a chance to taste 40-33 due to a generous forumite. The specimen had some areas of uneven ripening and shape was that of a smaller Edwards. The ripe areas tasted very sweet with an ultra fine but dense flesh. It was very pleasant and it taste like sugar cane. I thought it tasted a bit like Southern Blush or Beverly mangoes I had this season- and low and behold it's a Kent x Beverly cross.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 10, 2015, 10:36:45 AM
Had a chance to taste 40-33 due to a generous forumite. The specimen had some areas of uneven ripening and shape was that of a smaller Edwards. The ripe areas tasted very sweet with an ultra fine but dense flesh. It was very pleasant and it taste like sugar cane. I thought it tasted a bit like Southern Blush or Beverly mangoes I had this season- and low and behold it's a Kent x Beverly cross.

Unfortunately I feel some of these have been picked too early to basically get the fruit off the tree (I have seen some recently that were just way too underripe, the ones from a few weeks ago were far better) which may have led to your description.  You sure about the parentage?  I will double check when I get home but for some reason that does not sound right (I am going by memory so I may be wrong).
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 10, 2015, 10:39:59 AM
My suspicions were correct, it is a Kent x Gary.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on August 10, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
Got the parentage from this thread. Last post.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3858.msg66721#msg66721 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3858.msg66721#msg66721)
Would still like reconfirmation of the parentage tho.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 10, 2015, 11:15:19 AM
I have a list that was prepared by Gary and it shows its Kent x Gary.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: strkpr00 on August 11, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
40-33 yes, I would own that tree. I located a couple fruits this weekend and was pleasantly surprised because it looked like it was picked a bit too green. Firm flesh the taste was reminiscence of an Orange Tootsie Pop or Orange Lifesaver. I
I had the other one today or one day later and really soft, no orangey flavor it was sweet and smooth but twice I found a hint of coconut. I think I need a bushel of 40-33  :D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 17, 2015, 10:06:47 AM
I got the chance to taste several new  mangos over the last couple weeks, mostly from Zill.
I imagine most of these would be considered "late" season.

I lost my notes but remember that Little Jim wasn't good; it was spongy, though, so may have been picked too early?
Most of the others were very nice, full-flavored. One had a taste that reminded me of the aspect of Graham that I don't like.
Several had some of that "starchy" sensation on the tongue that I like.

The last one, C-18, had languished in the fridge, and gotten a bit wrinkled.
Maybe because I hadn't eaten any mangos in several days, but I found it to be delicious, sparkling, very sweet plus acid component.

Sorry, not enough details to be useful. But I'm happy that there are some new, delicious mangos to make August in Florida wonderful.
Pictured below.

(http://s28.postimg.cc/vylrm09nt/also_C_18.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/vylrm09nt/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 17, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
C-18 is Edgar.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Delvi83 on August 17, 2015, 12:41:34 PM
Just for curiosity , how long do Mangos produce fruits in Florida...I mean, from the early cultivars to the latest one ? Are there cultivars that flower two times for year?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on August 17, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Just for curiosity , how long do Mangos produce fruits in Florida...I mean, from the early cultivars to the latest one ? Are there cultivars that flower two times for year?

I would term the 'regular season' as typically beginning in March for the earliest stuff along the coastal regions(Rosigold, Rosa, Edward, etc) , with interior fruit starting later, and finishing in September for the latest ()Keitt and Neelam), some years some fruits make it into October. The season peaks between May and August.

A number of varieties will throw off-season bloom, typically southeast Asian descended cultivars but I've had Indian, Egyptian and Florida varieties do it to on rare occasion. Chokanon is the most famous for this but Thai Everbearing does it frequently as well (and tastes much better). Nam Doc Mai and others too. This is irregular though.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on August 17, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
C-18 is Edgar.

Thanks Rob. I bet the mangos from my Edgar will be much prettier, and just as delicious.  ;D

Today I tried Little Gem, which I'm guessing is the same as Little Jim.  Still didn't like it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: BrettBorders on August 20, 2015, 12:03:06 PM
On Sunday I ate a nice, prime Kent off my friends' tree. It is the tiniest Kent tree I've ever seen - due to it being planted in a very shady spot completely surrounded by tall trees.  This tree was over 20' tall - had a ~6" trunk -  and had a "canopy" about 6' tall and 4' wide - roughly like a 25g tree.


 It was much tastier than the earlier season July Kent's I've had before - those were more of a yellow color and had firmer flesh, with a tart component. This mid-August specimin was had very deep orange flesh, soft, juicy enough to stain my shirt and far tastier than the early Kents. It was all sweet and mango-y, no tart or spicy It was not as good as the Honey Kiss but it was a very good mango (for this time of year) that gave more respect for the Kent variety.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: strkpr00 on August 20, 2015, 10:30:49 PM
thumbs up on the mango VENUS, full flavor sweet. Glad I found a tree. looking for more fruit in the future.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: WGphil on August 21, 2015, 05:32:09 PM
When we were at Walter Zill's, the ladies were talking to my girlfriend about a new type they liked.   Didn't catch the number but they wanted to call it frangipangi due to it taste like the smell of the flower.

Any idea if that is a type already mentioned or yet another new type.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on August 21, 2015, 05:38:16 PM
When we were at Walter Zill's, the ladies were talking to my girlfriend about a new type they liked.   Didn't catch the number but they wanted to call it frangipangi due to it taste like the smell of the flower.

Any idea if that is a type already mentioned or yet another new type.

Unfortunatley that is a new one on me.  I can ask Verna if she remembers.  Was it one that was there that you sampled?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: WGphil on August 24, 2015, 02:37:59 PM
No sample.  The lady helping Verna  was raving about it and Verna agreed it was pretty good.  It had no name yet and they were still using the letter and number for it.  It was the helper that was suggesting Frangipani as a possible name. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: crazyforcherimoya on August 29, 2015, 11:44:33 PM
folks I need to top work a mango tree. Anybody you would recommend? I am in North Miami. thanks
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: FloridaGreenMan on August 30, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Here are some mangos i just picked: ([url]http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MangosJuly102013.jpg[/url])
Some of these i've never eaten before, like Fukuda, Harumanis, and Smith. Of the new ones only got to try the Fukuda so far. It was still a bit on the hard side when i cut it but still tasted quite nice, but nothing out of the ordinary. Has a little bit of fiber, but not objectionable. Will review the others later as i slice them.
Question about the Fairchild...is it really a Fairchild? As you can see it has a slight pinkish tinge. Is that possible?


Oscar
I have seen and eaten dozens of fruits from several "Fairchild" mangos tree but none had a purplish tint. Don't think you have a true Fairchild!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on September 05, 2015, 06:20:35 PM


If I had to guess, i would say Kathy and Cotton Candy are the next possible releases on the horizon.

For those wondering, Cotton Candy appears to be polyembryonic.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on September 21, 2016, 11:40:13 AM
First time I had a Jin Huang (golden queen) mango. A nice balance of sweet and acid, and had a hint of the "cola sap" aroma permeating the flesh.
The texture is firm with a good bit of pectin. (Not as high as manilita)
The one i had was the size of a big Valencia Pride but with more of a NDM shape.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8433/28898506353_93969be3e4_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L2Ep8x)

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8451/29752668181_a50cd97421_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mk9cFB)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8205/29411790492_f2101ddc55_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LP27C5)

Over all, i like  ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: jacob kim on December 28, 2016, 01:56:36 AM
K-3 is a ZINC seedling.  Has promise but no immeadiate or definite plans for release.  What you tasted at the RFC meeting, as with many of those pieces, were not fully ripe and who knows when they were cut (that day or the day before).  I do remember eating this a few years ago and it is a very very good fruit.

when i see the picture, the green mango color looks like brown.
Is that something wrong?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: merrysoft on March 01, 2017, 04:35:42 AM
Mangoes are flowering like mad here... It will be a great season for mangoes  :D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Jani on March 01, 2017, 08:27:35 AM
Not to be a downer...but heavy flowering doesn't automatically mean heavy fruit set...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tropicdude on March 01, 2017, 09:56:50 PM
Mangoes are flowering like mad here... It will be a great season for mangoes  :D

Trees in Bani DR ( our mango growing province ) are loaded with flowers.  more than they have been for years.   we had a couple weeks of 64-67 degree nights,  a few weeks ago.   here in the city, the trees are a bit of a mix,  some are loaded , others have a mix of small fruit,  flowers and flushes.   ( pushed flowers a month or two apart ).

I do feel that the season will be a bit later than normal though, I don't see these trees putting out ripe fruit by June.   
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mark in Texas on March 02, 2017, 07:37:01 AM
Mangoes are flowering like mad here... It will be a great season for mangoes  :D

You have one hell of a resource, selection of stock, at your JRN nursery!

Interesting cause mine are just beginning to foliar flush.  Of course I'm a lot colder than you.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MarvelMango on May 29, 2017, 04:21:20 PM
Does 40-33 and e-4 have a name yet/have they been released?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on May 29, 2017, 04:56:13 PM
Does 40-33 and e-4 have a name yet/have they been released?

40-33 is Orange Essence.   E4 not released and no name.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 29, 2017, 11:18:07 PM
ha nutty. Where did you track down the golden queen?

First time I had a Jin Huang (golden queen) mango. A nice balance of sweet and acid, and had a hint of the "cola sap" aroma permeating the flesh.
The texture is firm with a good bit of pectin. (Not as high as manilita)
The one i had was the size of a big Valencia Pride but with more of a NDM shape.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8433/28898506353_93969be3e4_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L2Ep8x)

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8451/29752668181_a50cd97421_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mk9cFB)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8205/29411790492_f2101ddc55_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LP27C5)

Over all, i like  ;D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on May 29, 2017, 11:48:48 PM
ha nutty. Where did you track down the golden queen?

First time I had a Jin Huang (golden queen) mango. A nice balance of sweet and acid, and had a hint of the "cola sap" aroma permeating the flesh.
The texture is firm with a good bit of pectin. (Not as high as manilita)
The one i had was the size of a big Valencia Pride but with more of a NDM shape.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8433/28898506353_93969be3e4_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L2Ep8x)

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8451/29752668181_a50cd97421_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mk9cFB)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8205/29411790492_f2101ddc55_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LP27C5)

Over all, i like  ;D

PM sent
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 04, 2018, 09:08:39 PM
Picked up 7 bolt mangos from mango men, 1st timers to the stand we were given samples from about 7 mangos and both my wife and I when we tried bolt we simultaneously went ummmmm ooooi yummm damn thatís good!  Some pics and review below:

The Bolt mango, donít really know too much about this mango or itís origin, supposedly named after usain bolt the famous sprinter from Jamaica, the flavor on first taste does hit you like a bolt or shock of lightning  but if I had to name it would call it funky monkey. The bolt mango is a smaller mango about 3 inches long weighing in at about a half pound with a rounded shape. In total I tried 7 bolts in varying ripeness which the one pictured had some jelly seed whereas the rest were fine. This mango really reminds me of Carrie and suspect by the taste it is a descendant and even tastes like Carrie x Fairchild crossed if there was such a mango. It is interesting because like Carrie the flesh is delicate and melting and can eat more green for more tartness or yellow green for more sweet and juicy, if you let this mango turn full yellow the flesh is too juicy imo. Flavor is delicious and Iím a fan of Carrie, but this is more complex with a sweet Carrie-like resin near the skin while the flesh closer to the seed has a musky funky ness like overripe cantaloupe, hence why I would call it funky monkey 🤷‍♂️ The seed is also poly.

-Joep450

(https://s8.postimg.cc/psyu7av6p/1_C893_A89-3_B6_B-4251-_B551-_BCE998_EC2_B9_D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/psyu7av6p/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/js15a80up/7_B0_B7_A81-_D626-4_A64-9_EC1-0482_DFEF3_C6_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/js15a80up/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/o15vcdwe9/8_B741002-6_BC5-4_C99-_A808-797_AA13_AC369.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/o15vcdwe9/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/f6511us69/8_ED791_A6-7498-4_F23-89_DD-30_F76126_D9_E2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/f6511us69/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: beefyboy on July 05, 2018, 10:32:40 PM
Great review!  just not my type of mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 06, 2018, 10:52:48 PM
Tasted the Pina Colada mango for first time, picked up 4 from mango men. The pina colada is a small oddly shaped mango having some random lumps here and there, about 3in long and not quite half a pound in weight. The skin color was mostly yellow with some green and had slight give to thumb pressure, the outside had a slight smell of spices. Cut open the mango which reveled a bright yellow flesh lacking any fiber, with some viscous juice present adhering to the flesh. The flavor was more ďPinaĒ than ďpina coladaĒ and fell somewhere between lemon meringue citrus and pineapple pleasure pineapple, where I did not notice the coconut where others have mentioned before, while I was whole heartedly expecting it! 😒 This little mango packs a punch, after eating just one I felt a little uneasy as if I had just gorged on 5 mangos, which could be the tart citrus notes that I have experienced in the lemon zest. The flesh texture was very creamy. IMO, having high expectations of coconutty goodness I was left slightly disappointed and in comparison to the coconut cream which is larger, prettier, more balanced in flavor with more pronounced coconut flavor........really comes down to personal preference as to which is better. Some hear yanni while others hear laurel 🤷‍♂️ The seed is also Poly.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/j9lttl3o1/6718_BA0_F-3_EEE-415_B-_A41_F-90_C56654_DB9_B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j9lttl3o1/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/u97157oy9/6_ED50_D2_B-8_A79-43_CA-_A396-56_F23_A572667.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/u97157oy9/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/3o4i9n75d/91230_EC4-550_A-4_EE9-9375-3_CE71413779_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3o4i9n75d/)

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on July 06, 2018, 10:56:17 PM
Tasted the Pina Colada mango for first time, picked up 4 from mango men. The pina colada is a small oddly shaped mango having some random lumps here and there, about 3in long and not quite half a pound in weight. The skin color was mostly yellow with some green and had slight give to thumb pressure, the outside had a slight smell of spices. Cut open the mango which reveled a bright yellow flesh lacking any fiber, with some viscous juice present adhering to the flesh. The flavor was more ďPinaĒ than ďpina coladaĒ and fell somewhere between lemon meringue citrus and pineapple pleasure pineapple, where I did not notice the coconut where others have mentioned before, while I was whole heartedly expecting it! 😒 This little mango packs a punch, after eating just one I felt a little uneasy as if I had just gorged on 5 mangos, which could be the tart citrus notes that I have experienced in the lemon zest. The flesh texture was very creamy. IMO, having high expectations of coconutty goodness I was left slightly disappointed and in comparison to the coconut cream which is larger, prettier, more balanced in flavor with more pronounced coconut flavor........really comes down to personal preference as to which is better. Some hear yanni while others hear laurel 🤷‍♂️ The seed is also Poly.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/j9lttl3o1/6718_BA0_F-3_EEE-415_B-_A41_F-90_C56654_DB9_B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/j9lttl3o1/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/u97157oy9/6_ED50_D2_B-8_A79-43_CA-_A396-56_F23_A572667.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/u97157oy9/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/3o4i9n75d/91230_EC4-550_A-4_EE9-9375-3_CE71413779_E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3o4i9n75d/)

-Joep450

Needs to get on the riper side to achieve the piŮa colada flavor.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on August 16, 2018, 11:26:32 PM
Hey Guys,

Been busy so posting these pics and random notes way later than I wanted too, but hope the pics help at least.

Orange Sherbet
(https://s8.postimg.cc/sjwkgze75/A1_CD3_BEC-9052-4_F39-_A982-_EF652_D4379_ED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/sjwkgze75/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/tm6qzj4q9/A3_ADFCA8-5774-4_A7_B-8301-2_A0123153_E2_A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tm6qzj4q9/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/f2zly4jb5/CFA629_DB-_AB10-46_E4-910_B-6_DA35961_AF30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/f2zly4jb5/)
Like everything else opinions vary but imo LZ > LM > OS ....Os has less lemon and less cream flesh texture which is more on par with a gel like NDM. I prefer the creamy flesh, had a few of these OS from mango men, one I brought to work to taste with co workers, pulled it from the fridge and it was delish chilled. Donít usually eat my mangos chilled but when chilled it tastes even more like sherbet ha. OS poly seed.


Alampur Banashan
(https://s8.postimg.cc/u082yzz2p/E8418009-_B77_B-4_B43-_A21_A-_B0_B1_C23_F66_FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/u082yzz2p/)
Thought this mango was delish, from tropical acres, really reminded me of ice cream mango which is one of my top fav mangos. About same size, pale flesh, cream like texture, and resinous. Mono seed.


Big Saturn
(https://s8.postimg.cc/awerim481/53_F08_AE9-8_B0_F-4637-_B0_FC-88884_DF63_BD6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/awerim481/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/pflwk0hxd/9_B368_A4_F-93_AD-463_B-90_FA-_E4_BE1644_A217.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pflwk0hxd/)

(https://s8.postimg.cc/sz7u9u7sh/D3116149-0828-4_A4_A-_B0_AD-9895381075_D7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/sz7u9u7sh/)

Wasnít too crazy about this mango, supposedly a Tommy Atkins hybrid with ZINC notes, large like San Felipe, side by side almost identical, fiberless, thick skin, but wasnít blown away, from mango men. Poly seed.


From Zill Hyperformance plants: some diamond: interesting mango seems like an Asian hybrid in shape, though reminded me of madame Frances/Alphonse straight mango flavor with a NyQuil cough syrup resin aftertaste, laugh at this until you try it is funky strange but uniqueness has grown on me. Seeds look mono but will know for sure once the ones Iím germinating sprout, sorry no pics, yellow mango.

Fruit cocktail, these were meh, maybe bad year? Some syrup or essence of a plastic cup fruit cocktail notes but I wouldnít go out of my way to grow this, taste buds vary but try this before you buy the tree I think is a good approach, as there are much better mangos.

Lil gems, meh.

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 03, 2019, 02:06:41 PM
Having a room full of mangoes, 2 kids under 2, and a bunch of budwood that needs grafting, I do not have the time nor the narcotics to write anything creative.  I am also low-tech so these reviews won't be so exciting for those looking for mango porn, but here is a small blurb about each of the mangoes I just sampled:

Tyler Premier:  This is a large round fruit with a very cool shape.  Lots of juicy flesh...didn't notice any fiber.  This isn't going to be anyone's favorite mango, but there's something about them I like.  For a milder mango that has good flavor and isn't offensive, I prefer this to glenn and others of the same ilk.


34-24 (Cecilove):  Awesome mango for those who like bombay.  I have a sunrise ripening so I will see how it measures up, but this is better than Bombay IMHO...creamy seemed larger than Bombay but maybe just different shape...anyway, to me it was an improved Bombay...better than the Emeralds I have had but still have more so maybe they will get better.  Excellent mango!

Wally:  Not a bad mango, had some fiber, juicy, and decent subacid/sweet balance, but just couldn't hold it's own against these heavyweights.

Lemon Zest:  Finally, I get it!!!  LZ will never be my GOAT because I just don't like that orange flavor as much as other mango flavors.  Having said that, my LZ tree will not be on the chopping block ever.  Intense, creamy orange sherbet flavor.  Excellent mango.

Cac:  All jokes aside, this mango is as good as mangoes come...It has intense tropical flavor, creamy texture, and sweet aftertaste...and it's a big mango.  10 out of 10 kind of mango.  SO glad I have a tree!  Was the winner for much of the tasting....until

Kryptonite:  OH, MY FREAKING GOD!!!  This mango was so intense and perfect balance and texture!!  Left me laughing to myself like a crazy person (previously done when eating:  maha chanok, sweet tart, fruit punch, pineapple pleasure, seacrest, and coconut cream).  This mango totally snatched the Gold medal from Cac...not sure what the history on this is, but I suspect it was a # and Richard put a name on it (also see next review)

Last, but not least, was
Bolt (again a "new" variety from Fairchild, named for the Jamaican theme...no info on it, but it was good enough to make me stop and say WOW!  It is on the tart/subacid side, but it is like a tart but not overpowering punch in the taste buds!!  Bolt and Kryptonite deserve more looking into.

1. kryptonite
2. cac
3. bolt
4. lemon zest
5. 34-24
all 5 very worthy of having a tree
Honorable mention: Tyler Premier

Where did you acquire kryptonite and bolt?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on June 03, 2019, 10:39:08 PM
That 34-24 had to have been a mislabeled fruit because it doesnít have any resinous/Bombay-esque flavor at all. Itís pretty similar to Sweet Tart actually
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: starch on June 06, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
Just ate my first mango for 2019.

I got a box from Alex (Tropical Acres, I buy several boxes from him every year and am always so happy I get to try such awesome high-quality mangos) with a nice variety of mangos.

The first one that was ripe was Phillipine

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much. Very small and the color and shape look like Atalufo, which are tasteless, only sweet (pretty insipid). But I was wonderfully surprised! It did have an Indochinese flavor profile. Nothing as intense as Sweet Tart (which is one of my favorites), but a very pleasant tangy citrus to go with the mango sweetness.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 07, 2019, 08:59:14 AM
Just ate my first mango for 2019.

I got a box from Alex (Tropical Acres, I buy several boxes from him every year and am always so happy I get to try such awesome high-quality mangos) with a nice variety of mangos.

The first one that was ripe was Phillipine

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much. Very small and the color and shape look like Atalufo, which are tasteless, only sweet (pretty insipid). But I was wonderfully surprised! It did have an Indochinese flavor profile. Nothing as intense as Sweet Tart (which is one of my favorites), but a very pleasant tangy citrus to go with the mango sweetness.

Philipine?  How cool is that.  Well, I'm next.  I custom ordered last year and they were excellent.  Pineapple Pleasure was over the top.  Speaking of PP, I grafted a stick last year and am letting the little tree hold 3 PP fruit.  FWIW it is a vigorous tree that makes really big fruit.  I forgot how you're growing but if you need a dwarf with very high quality fruit, it's hard to beat Pickering, which I also have in.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4KXTzg7V/Pineapple-Pleasure-June6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4KXTzg7V)

Dot, Cac, PP, Maha, Angie, Graham, Pickering, Alphonso

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Das Bhut on June 07, 2019, 07:05:00 PM
anyone else with a honey kiss know when it'll ripen?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fisherking73 on June 07, 2019, 07:34:33 PM
anyone else with a honey kiss know when it'll ripen?

When I got mine a couple years back I was told it is a very late season mango. Mine has good fruit set this year but no signs of ready as of yet. From my understanding August, September and possibly October if you are lucky with some late fruit hanging on. By then my pickering, PPK, Fairchild and CC will be done with fruit will be nice to know one tree will possibly hold late.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: strkpr00 on June 07, 2019, 08:19:18 PM
Thinking my Honey Kiss will start mid-July, it is coloring up nicely.  H.K. is one of my later trees but never past August in my yard in West Davie.  Working on my 3rd season.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Das Bhut on June 07, 2019, 10:18:03 PM
anyone else with a honey kiss know when it'll ripen?

When I got mine a couple years back I was told it is a very late season mango. Mine has good fruit set this year but no signs of ready as of yet. From my understanding August, September and possibly October if you are lucky with some late fruit hanging on. By then my pickering, PPK, Fairchild and CC will be done with fruit will be nice to know one tree will possibly hold late.

good to know, mine is still small and it's the first year fruiting so I'm not sure what to expect. The fruit is small and already has some red on it
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Z070305 on June 09, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
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Recently I fell in love with this Sein Ta Lone mango from Myanmar. The flesh is non-fibrous and juicy, with bold flavours.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on June 09, 2019, 09:28:06 PM

Recently I fell in love with this Sein Ta Lone mango from Myanmar. The flesh is non-fibrous and juicy, with bold flavours.

Would you liken the flavor to any other mango, fruit, or aromatic foodstuff?

I'm curious, as we have known for years that this is the most famous mango from the region that developed Pyo Pyu Kalay, but we have noone in the west to formally describe the flavor/aroma profile of this particular mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Z070305 on June 10, 2019, 03:10:27 AM

Would you liken the flavor to any other mango, fruit, or aromatic foodstuff?

I'm curious, as we have known for years that this is the most famous mango from the region that developed Pyo Pyu Kalay, but we have noone in the west to formally describe the flavor/aroma profile of this particular mango.

If I were to try really hard to make a comparison, Alphonso will be the closest? However, it wins hands fown due to its non-fibrous flesh that is very juicy. The sweetness is unlike thai honey mango, as I felt that it is slightly more acidic in taste. When ripe, the flesh doesn't turn mushy like some mangoes, for eg, thai rainbow mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on June 10, 2019, 07:57:22 AM
Our Sein ta Lone is fruiting this year. Looking forward to trying it.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 11, 2019, 09:40:31 PM
Last week was at Zillís and bought some mangos.....on the floor next to bins was a bucket of green kathyís And the lady behind the counter said they were free because they were picked too green...kicking myself now because I took only one! 🙈 Iíve never tried this one before and it was pretty green but it ripened up and was delish. The fruit was soft to the touch with some give, yellow with greenish tinge and splotches, hardly fragrant. When I halved the mango I noticed the flesh to be golden yellow with some thin juice covering adhering to flesh. The flesh was totally fiberless and melting and smooth like a cushman or dot mango. The flavor seemed like a cross between cushman and Fairchild honeydew resin. The seed is polyembryonic.


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-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 12, 2019, 08:50:33 AM
Thanks! First Iíve heard of Kathy as poly.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 12, 2019, 02:34:05 PM
Thanks for appreciating, I try to provide as much objective info as possible with pics and seed info at a minimum so as reference to those who live far from Zillís and otherwise little seems to be known. 👍

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on June 13, 2019, 08:42:15 AM
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We tried Sein Ta Lone yesterday. Very good mango. Flavor group is Indochinese hybrid, ala Dupuis Saigon, Fairchild , Venus, Cac etc
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 13, 2019, 11:21:42 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLTVxvYh/59090-B34-0-F36-45-B2-BDA2-BE8-EA181-C79-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLTVxvYh)

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Oh the glorious Pickering mango!  It's hard to believe it was just a random seedling.  Thank you, Walter Zill.  Mine are very sweet, very juicy, and very coconutty this year.  Disease-free and the perfect little tree.  For ALL of its qualities, it must rank near the top.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TnTrobbie on June 13, 2019, 03:17:49 PM
Lady's Choice.
My first ripe mango grown in 9B.
Fruit was pretty clean. Did smell that intense resin scent in the sap when picked. Supposedly an improved version of East Indian mango. No sap burn/rot to the skin observed even after two days of counter top ripening. Milder taste of the resin in the ripe flesh but definitely less fiber- equivalent to than of the Julie (imo). Didn't pick up on any extra flavors. Enjoyable.
Brix registered at 17.
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 13, 2019, 09:48:54 PM
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We tried Sein Ta Lone yesterday. Very good mango. Flavor group is Indochinese hybrid, ala Dupuis Saigon, Fairchild , Venus, Cac etc

That is select company!  Thanks. Looking forward to visiting in 2 weeks...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Coach62 on June 14, 2019, 01:25:13 PM
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Oh the glorious Pickering mango!  It's hard to believe it was just a random seedling.  Thank you, Walter Zill.  Mine are very sweet, very juicy, and very coconutty this year.  Disease-free and the perfect little tree.  For ALL of its qualities, it must rank near the top.

Had my first Pickering today. I may take some heat, but I think itís my favorite ever. Wow, was it good.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 15, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
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Oh the glorious Pickering mango!  It's hard to believe it was just a random seedling.  Thank you, Walter Zill.  Mine are very sweet, very juicy, and very coconutty this year.  Disease-free and the perfect little tree.  For ALL of its qualities, it must rank near the top.

Had my first Pickering today. I may take some heat, but I think itís my favorite ever. Wow, was it good.

No heat. Itís s great mango, especially when you let it go a little.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mark in Texas on June 16, 2019, 10:44:00 AM
Had my first Pickering today. I may take some heat, but I think itís my favorite ever. Wow, was it good.

Totally agree. Not only is the fruit just as tasty as any other and that includes the Zill varieties, the tree is excellent in every way - small and compact, very productive, disease free.  And yeah, I "let it go a little".  :D

(https://i.postimg.cc/RN22sFbv/Pickering-Mango-Aug.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RN22sFbv)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: edzone9 on June 16, 2019, 01:38:30 PM
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Oh the glorious Pickering mango!  It's hard to believe it was just a random seedling.  Thank you, Walter Zill.  Mine are very sweet, very juicy, and very coconutty this year.  Disease-free and the perfect little tree.  For ALL of its qualities, it must rank near the top.

On of my favorites!
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: ClayMango on June 17, 2019, 10:59:34 PM
Tried 4 mangos from my assorted box from Mangomen. The first to ripen were Kryptonite, Fairchild, Maha, and CC. I can say this that season is much better than last years washed out season in my opinion. Of the 4 Mangos I tried today, Kryptonite left them all in the dust!

-CC is just sweet coconut if that's what you're into it

-Maha tasted similar to other Asian Mangos like Nam Dac Mai but with it's own twist of complexity to add to it's sweetness (concentrated honey sweet nam Doc mai is much better IMO)

-Fairchild...average sweet tasting mango with a mild resin flavor

-Kryptonite!!! Easily a top tier Mango in my opinion. I put up it there with LZ and Sweet Tart which are my favorite. This Mango has a delicious sugary sweet flavor with a much milder tart kick than the infamous "Sweet Tart"...reminds me of a sweet tart light except this variety comes with resionous/piney addition, but not over whelming like a carrie mango per say....also this is a pretty nice size mango as well....definitely a well rounded cultivar that I'll be looking to plant one day when I retire from the Navy.

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 23, 2019, 01:15:07 AM
Let me start off by saying Iím bit annoyed.......that I am literally out of space for another tree in my yard, just when I thought everything was in itís rightful place growing as it should be the ďP-22Ē a yet unnamed Zill variety comes along. This is definitely a top tier mango taste wise, probably the most memorable mango I have had this season so far. Had three to sample and one I brought to work for a mango sampling. It was up against some steep competition with Ice Cream and Fruit Punch but the cards fell P-22> Ice Cream> Fruit Punch.

The P-22 is an interesting mango as it is somewhat round but also flat with interesting protruding point at the bottom forming a beak like structure. The I tried one ripened to canary yellow and another as a soft yellowing green. The flesh was golden yellow, fiberless, with a savory/creamy consistency resembling sweet tart consistency. The taste was exquisite and complex very sweet resin upfront resembling a mix of Carey/Fairchild then a tang like bite at the end like a sweet tart. I was still tasting this mango hours later either by way of actual resin that coated my tongue or that my senses were experiencing some sort of hallucinating flashback, but dang this is a delicious mango. The seed I am unsure about as 1 was shriveled up and mostly aborted looked almost like a cashew nut then the other two kinda look poly but then possibly a squiggly like monoembryonic seeds, plan to germinate them out and see what sprouts.

-Joep450
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 23, 2019, 08:01:06 AM
Let me start off by saying Iím bit annoyed.......that I am literally out of space for another tree in my yard, just when I thought everything was in itís rightful place growing as it should be the ďP-22Ē a yet unnamed Zill variety comes along. This is definitely a top tier mango taste wise, probably the most memorable mango I have had this season so far. Had three to sample and one I brought to work for a mango sampling. It was up against some steep competition with Ice Cream and Fruit Punch but the cards fell P-22> Ice Cream> Fruit Punch.

The P-22 is an interesting mango as it is somewhat round but also flat with interesting protruding point at the bottom forming a beak like structure. The I tried one ripened to canary yellow and another as a soft yellowing green. The flesh was golden yellow, fiberless, with a savory/creamy consistency resembling sweet tart consistency. The taste was exquisite and complex very sweet resin upfront resembling a mix of Carey/Fairchild then a tang like bite at the end like a sweet tart. I was still tasting this mango hours later either by way of actual resin that coated my tongue or that my senses were experiencing some sort of hallucinating flashback, but dang this is a delicious mango. The seed I am unsure about as 1 was shriveled up and mostly aborted looked almost like a cashew nut then the other two kinda look poly but then possibly a squiggly like monoembryonic seeds, plan to germinate them out and see what sprouts.

-Joep450
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Totally agree with you and glad you posted this. I had one P-22 once years ago and have been looking for more ever since.  Your review indicates me experience was no fluke.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on June 23, 2019, 07:08:54 PM
I got a couple P-22s and found them good but not great. That said, they were very green when I bought them.

Did yours have some color when picked (as far as you know)?

I also bought some green Pineapple Pleasures, which turned out fine, and a couple green Buttercreams, which were not very good.

In other news, I'm really glad that I was too lazy to cut down my Lemon Zest, which is infested with Bacterial Black Spot.  Somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of the fruit turned out fine this year (last year all were bad).  And the taste is so exquisite that I wonder what I ever saw in other mangos.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 23, 2019, 09:03:27 PM
In other news, I'm really glad that I was too lazy to cut down my Lemon Zest, which is infested with Bacterial Black Spot.  Somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of the fruit turned out fine this year (last year all were bad).  And the taste is so exquisite that I wonder what I ever saw in other mangos.
Have you tasted Orange Sherbet?  If so, how does it compare to LZ or PPK?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 23, 2019, 11:29:22 PM
Mangomandan- The P-22ís I got were a lighter shade of green but not yellowing green, if that makes any sense. Agree with your take on LZ, I planted a tree at my moms house years ago, itís now around 20ft tall (she doesnít prune it) and produced all clean mangos though she doesnít spray. Also heard Har talking to a client at truly tropical the other day on this subject whereas having BBS doesnít necessarily mean cutting the tree down as you can still get great mangos, just need more supervision and culling of diseased fruits/limbs early and up spray program. IMO I prefer LZ to PPk because larger size, chalkier creaminess texture and more intense flavor, also prefer it over Orange sherbet. Orange sherbet has a silkier gelatinous texture more on par with NDM and lacks that LZ savory chalkiness cream texture whereas OS is cleaner tree in regards to less BBS there is more potential for jelly seed vs LZ. I am growing BOTH, there was a period where Zills was not going to propagate the LZ anymore because of BBS susceptibility and heard reports of others cutting their trees down so I went out and bought an OS as closest of kin (ha) ....then later I picked up a 7 gall LZ from mike a trees n more, his last one, and planted that too.

-joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 24, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
the taste is so exquisite that I wonder what I ever saw in other mangos.

Worth repeating!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 24, 2019, 02:43:32 PM
the taste is so exquisite that I wonder what I ever saw in other mangos.

Worth repeating!
I found that to be the case with PPK. I havenít eaten many LZs.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DeeMango on June 24, 2019, 04:15:21 PM

Have you tasted Orange Sherbet?  If so, how does it compare to LZ or PPK?


I would describe Orange Sherbet as an Orange Flavored PPK. They are very similar in taste, but where the PPK tastes like a lemon meringue pie when properly ripe, the Orange Sherbet tastes like someone swapped the lemons with a very sweet orange.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on June 24, 2019, 05:29:25 PM
John, I have not tasted Orange Sherbet yet.

I'm sure it's good (and I have one still sitting in a pot  ::)

I have heard several folks who agree with Joe that OS is less intense than LZ.
And for me too much of a good thing is just about right.
Which is why I also loved the ripe, kind of chilled Pineapple Pleasure I had the other night.

There is still room in my heart for the great classic mangos, of course.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tiberivs on June 24, 2019, 07:29:20 PM
I love mango season!

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 24, 2019, 09:15:24 PM
John, I have not tasted Orange Sherbet yet.

I'm sure it's good (and I have one still sitting in a pot  ::)

I have heard several folks who agree with Joe that OS is less intense than LZ.
And for me too much of a good thing is just about right.
Which is why I also loved the ripe, kind of chilled Pineapple Pleasure I had the other night.

There is still room in my heart for the great classic mangos, of course.



Dan, have you had sugarloaf yet? I had my first one today and it was off the chain, very much pineapple.

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 24, 2019, 09:58:46 PM
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Tried a few buttercream for first time this year, most I ate were soft with significant give at yellowing green color but I think the best flavor came from this one I ate at full yellow which was very soft. When I cut it open I was expecting mush and watery juice, but the flesh was well intact with viscous juice adhering to the flesh. As the name states the buttercream is very much that in texture, silky with some savory feel to it. For the most part I felt the flavor was one dimensional and mildly sweet, whereas eaten at full yellow I detected some faint resin closest to the peel. The seed seems like itís a squiggly monoembryonic seed, others I opened up were aborted/shriveled and indeterminate.

On a side note the consistency of butter cream resembled the Ivory I ate afterward as far as texture goes, as a reference point for those who may have had one but not the other. Both are completely fiberless.







-Joep450
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 24, 2019, 10:28:17 PM
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Tried a few buttercream for first time this year, most I ate were soft with significant give at yellowing green color but I think the best flavor came from this one I ate at full yellow which was very soft. When I cut it open I was expecting mush and watery juice, but the flesh was well intact with viscous juice adhering to the flesh. As the name states the buttercream is very much that in texture, silky with some savory feel to it. For the most part I felt the flavor was one dimensional and mildly sweet, whereas eaten at full yellow I detected some faint resin closest to the peel. The seed seems like itís a squiggly monoembryonic seed, others I opened up were aborted/shriveled and indeterminate.

On a side note the consistency of butter cream resembled the Ivory I ate afterward as far as texture goes, as a reference point for those who may have had one but not the other. Both are completely fiberless.







-Joep450
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Thanks!  I look fwd to this new to me one. Ivory is a top 50 mango for me so...
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: nullzero on June 24, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
Ate my first Lemon Zest from the tree this year. Taste on a fully ripe one was like a super sweet orange. It taste so much like the sweetest orange, it tricked my brain if I closed my eyes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 25, 2019, 12:09:51 AM
Ate my first Lemon Zest from the tree this year. Taste on a fully ripe one was like a super sweet orange. It taste so much like the sweetest orange, it tricked my brain if I closed my eyes.

Lemon Zest is absolutely amazing. One of the few varieties I grow despite very high susceptibility to fungal diseases. One of my all time favorite Mangos!

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 25, 2019, 10:20:02 AM
Ate my first Lemon Zest from the tree this year. Taste on a fully ripe one was like a super sweet orange. It taste so much like the sweetest orange, it tricked my brain if I closed my eyes.

You are in Cali eating this?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on June 25, 2019, 05:54:10 PM
I have a couple sugarloafs in the living room, looking forward to trying them in the next day or two   :D
Dan


Dan, have you had sugarloaf yet? I had my first one today and it was off the chain, very much pineapple.

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: savemejebus on July 01, 2019, 06:26:46 PM
Ate my first Lemon Zest from the tree this year. Taste on a fully ripe one was like a super sweet orange. It taste so much like the sweetest orange, it tricked my brain if I closed my eyes.

Lemon Zest is absolutely amazing. One of the few varieties I grow despite very high susceptibility to fungal diseases. One of my all time favorite Mangos!

Simon

100% agree. The experience is simply sublime and, in a sea of other mangoes currently providing fruit, Lemon Zest is a unique taste that keeps you coming back for more (if only 1 at a time because it's so damn sweet). It is still my all-time #1 and I'm not even sure if it's a relatively close call. This evening's delight: (WARNING: FOOD PORN)

 
(https://i.postimg.cc/SJYfxnB8/20190701-170904.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SJYfxnB8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/svW5RtW4/20190701-170931.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svW5RtW4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YGjmDVkg/20190701-171046.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGjmDVkg)

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 02, 2019, 01:40:38 PM
Shwehintha (sp) aka Raw Honey

Donít know too much about the origin of this mango but I assume it is an Asian mango based on long slender shape and slippery gel like texture. I had two mangos to sample, they were long, thin with an ďSĒ  shape one with some blush on the outside, unnoticeable smell to the outer skin. The flesh was golden yellow, completely fiberless with gel like texture and not very juicy. The taste was very much on par with nam doc mai though some differences, more honey flavor and also a black pepper like spice as you near the outer skin, for the ďskin eatersĒ out there this would be one not palatable to eat. The seed was polyembryonic.


(https://i.postimg.cc/3WvjBMpz/440-F9-EDC-33-F3-4-F91-A3-BE-4354-E2-EECD27.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3WvjBMpz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R3tfTKJK/0-A0-FFA96-F0-E4-4-DB3-A2-DC-F02866063-FC5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3tfTKJK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0zFDmcj9/31-F69024-AA6-A-4805-8-A78-294-B800-D7543.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zFDmcj9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tsYFYLXr/6-B178-BF7-E186-4-B99-8-F67-BA883-B9-CE521.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsYFYLXr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gXPhtj35/BE713-DEC-43-E4-45-D2-A0-AD-23-E15-A6-D634-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXPhtj35)

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: fisherking73 on July 02, 2019, 01:50:51 PM
Just had first today. Nothing exciting, but edible. Did not get any honey, but definetly had a mild sweetness.


Shwehintha (sp) aka Raw Honey

Donít know too much about the origin of this mango but I assume it is an Asian mango based on long slender shape and slippery gel like texture. I had two mangos to sample, they were long, thin with an ďSĒ  shape one with some blush on the outside, unnoticeable smell to the outer skin. The flesh was golden yellow, completely fiberless with gel like texture and not very juicy. The taste was very much on par with nam doc mai though some differences, more honey flavor and also a black pepper like spice as you near the outer skin, for the ďskin eatersĒ out there this would be one not palatable to eat. The seed was polyembryonic.


(https://i.postimg.cc/3WvjBMpz/440-F9-EDC-33-F3-4-F91-A3-BE-4354-E2-EECD27.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3WvjBMpz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R3tfTKJK/0-A0-FFA96-F0-E4-4-DB3-A2-DC-F02866063-FC5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3tfTKJK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0zFDmcj9/31-F69024-AA6-A-4805-8-A78-294-B800-D7543.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zFDmcj9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tsYFYLXr/6-B178-BF7-E186-4-B99-8-F67-BA883-B9-CE521.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsYFYLXr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gXPhtj35/BE713-DEC-43-E4-45-D2-A0-AD-23-E15-A6-D634-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXPhtj35)

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 28, 2019, 08:28:04 AM
Going to post a few pics of some mangos I ate earlier this year, not in depth tasting reviews but mainly so forum can see pics of the fruit.

Triple Sec

This was a larger mango, sweet non-fibrous fruit with abnormally thick skin, I found it one dimensional with no resin twist.

(https://i.postimg.cc/kD0vQgsv/04-AC6-E1-C-CA45-4649-8446-3-F3236-E78819.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kD0vQgsv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JtDQHkNh/4-DD494-C4-8-D7-E-45-A4-BA49-E2-BCD34-C691-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JtDQHkNh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p9cDpWy8/8-FD73-B95-EF41-4180-AA70-B15776-F012-B5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9cDpWy8)

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 28, 2019, 08:48:21 AM
Sugarloaf

This was my first year eating sugarloaf and it was stinking delicious, honestly this is in my top ten list and will eventually have a spot in my yard. A strange phenomenon happened this year which I had never seen before, all the mangos I purchased were rinsed in water then placed on beach towels (soft padding) on dining room table and allowed ripen. The sugarloafs, and only the sugarloafs, seemed to develop a flattened side as they ripened, I would flip them and then the other side would become flat! Then pictures you can kinda see this! Even on the soft towel padding the delicate flesh was caving under the mangos own weight. This is a mango that would be terrible to ship I think, but probably wouldnít be shipped because it would be greedily eaten before hand. Also this mango seemed to be ripe and soft while still yellowing green, think on par with Carrie but not as juicy. Also characteristic of the sugarloaf is the ďnippleĒ where the stem connects the fruit. The taste is a tropical medley of sweet coconut upfront with slight sub acid pineapple juice finish. It gives coconut cream a naming crisis though CC is in fact creamier, there is more pronounced coconut in the sugarloaf.  Just my opinion on coconut scale but sugarloaf = sweet coconut, coco cream= subtle spiced coconut, pina colada= more pineapple than coconut.

-Joep450
(https://i.postimg.cc/yknhwyBv/1-EA25-E0-C-9334-42-A7-B667-1-B2154-A9150-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yknhwyBv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmrPcKNV/55-D7-D491-CAED-42-FD-91-FC-998-E682-D177-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmrPcKNV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GHbJ7504/60-FEE7-AD-79-FA-4-AB6-BD39-2-FF48-B51-A4-AC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHbJ7504)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hrx0H8kH/81-F2-FF77-E4-AF-4-C9-D-B0-B1-3-DEC0-D17-B218.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hrx0H8kH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XrH8yczp/E9-BF049-D-0-E51-4856-AC0-F-500-D4-B0-DED1-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrH8yczp)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on July 28, 2019, 09:12:14 AM
36-8 aka Super Alphonse

This mango blows the Alphonse out of the water, larger and better taste with a sweet resin flavor permeating throughout the melting fiberless flesh. Has a large monoembryonic seed and seemed to ripen yellowing green.


(https://i.postimg.cc/9w4dZrrZ/2-CF667-D5-8-BD6-40-D7-B596-4821-D0136-A89.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9w4dZrrZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0gFZFMc/4706-EB14-F40-A-4-AED-8-A0-E-ADD146-C8-A85-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0gFZFMc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VdC9N0yc/485-D0-D29-5454-4-F3-B-B458-DE520-F957-A48.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdC9N0yc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WdcGqpjq/5-E4-D068-D-4-D8-A-44-C7-A294-095-D4-C0-EB897.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdcGqpjq)

-Joep450
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on July 28, 2019, 09:30:34 AM
36-8 aka Super Alphonse

This mango blows the Alphonse out of the water, larger and better taste with a sweet resin flavor permeating throughout the melting fiberless flesh. Has a large monoembryonic seed and seemed to ripen yellowing green.


(https://i.postimg.cc/9w4dZrrZ/2-CF667-D5-8-BD6-40-D7-B596-4821-D0136-A89.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9w4dZrrZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0gFZFMc/4706-EB14-F40-A-4-AED-8-A0-E-ADD146-C8-A85-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0gFZFMc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VdC9N0yc/485-D0-D29-5454-4-F3-B-B458-DE520-F957-A48.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdC9N0yc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WdcGqpjq/5-E4-D068-D-4-D8-A-44-C7-A294-095-D4-C0-EB897.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdcGqpjq)

-Joep450

I concur.  Sugar loaf defines 'the bomb'.  Its ripening window allows late eating.

To be fair to Alphonso though, perhaps 36-8 is superior to a Florida grown Alphonso...the jury not back on how India grown would compare head to head.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: edzone9 on July 28, 2019, 10:02:55 AM
Sugarloaf

This was my first year eating sugarloaf and it was stinking delicious, honestly this is in my top ten list and will eventually have a spot in my yard. A strange phenomenon happened this year which I had never seen before, all the mangos I purchased were rinsed in water then placed on beach towels (soft padding) on dining room table and allowed ripen. The sugarloafs, and only the sugarloafs, seemed to develop a flattened side as they ripened, I would flip them and then the other side would become flat! Then pictures you can kinda see this! Even on the soft towel padding the delicate flesh was caving under the mangos own weight. This is a mango that would be terrible to ship I think, but probably wouldnít be shipped because it would be greedily eaten before hand. Also this mango seemed to be ripe and soft while still yellowing green, think on par with Carrie but not as juicy. Also characteristic of the sugarloaf is the ďnippleĒ where the stem connects the fruit. The taste is a tropical medley of sweet coconut upfront with slight sub acid pineapple juice finish. It gives coconut cream a naming crisis though CC is in fact creamier, there is more pronounced coconut in the sugarloaf.  Just my opinion on coconut scale but sugarloaf = sweet coconut, coco cream= subtle spiced coconut, pina colada= more pineapple than coconut.

-Joep450
(https://i.postimg.cc/yknhwyBv/1-EA25-E0-C-9334-42-A7-B667-1-B2154-A9150-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yknhwyBv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmrPcKNV/55-D7-D491-CAED-42-FD-91-FC-998-E682-D177-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmrPcKNV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GHbJ7504/60-FEE7-AD-79-FA-4-AB6-BD39-2-FF48-B51-A4-AC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHbJ7504)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hrx0H8kH/81-F2-FF77-E4-AF-4-C9-D-B0-B1-3-DEC0-D17-B218.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hrx0H8kH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XrH8yczp/E9-BF049-D-0-E51-4856-AC0-F-500-D4-B0-DED1-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrH8yczp)

I will need to source a E4 Tree!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 29, 2019, 09:40:49 AM
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KEITT
Mild flavor: fruity, fruit cocktail, not distinctive.  Medium sweetness.  Some fiber, but not excessive or unpleasant.  6 points out of 10.
An old-time Florida mango that has served us well, but time to move on.  Only redeeming quality (for mango devotees) is that it can be very late.  Still valuable commercially.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 29, 2019, 09:46:42 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/94DDJ1cd/A4-F4-C960-1-B1-D-492-B-813-B-F034670-C6-C0-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94DDJ1cd)

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LAST PICKERING OF 2019
Strong coconut flavor.  Very sweet.  Slight chalkiness because picked green.  9 points out of 10.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on July 29, 2019, 10:16:33 AM
I would have named LZ cultivar "Just like Minneola tangelo grown in Florida on sour orange or Cleopatra rootstock."

Ate my first Lemon Zest from the tree this year. Taste on a fully ripe one was like a super sweet orange. It taste so much like the sweetest orange, it tricked my brain if I closed my eyes.

Lemon Zest is absolutely amazing. One of the few varieties I grow despite very high susceptibility to fungal diseases. One of my all time favorite Mangos!

Simon

100% agree. The experience is simply sublime and, in a sea of other mangoes currently providing fruit, Lemon Zest is a unique taste that keeps you coming back for more (if only 1 at a time because it's so damn sweet). It is still my all-time #1 and I'm not even sure if it's a relatively close call. This evening's delight: (WARNING: FOOD PORN)

 
(https://i.postimg.cc/SJYfxnB8/20190701-170904.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SJYfxnB8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/svW5RtW4/20190701-170931.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svW5RtW4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YGjmDVkg/20190701-171046.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGjmDVkg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6T2vdDMx/20190701-171057.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T2vdDMx)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 29, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
I would have named LZ cultivar "Just like Minneola tangelo grown in Florida on sour orange or Cleopatra rootstock."
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 29, 2019, 02:07:01 PM
I would have named LZ cultivar "Just like Minneola tangelo grown in Florida on sour orange or Cleopatra rootstock."
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JulianoGS on July 29, 2019, 05:32:28 PM

-Joep450
[/quote]

I concur.  Sugar loaf defines 'the bomb'.  Its ripening window allows late eating.

To be fair to Alphonso though, perhaps 36-8 is superior to a Florida grown Alphonso...the jury not back on how India grown would compare head to head.
[/quote]

Do you know if super alphonso tree produces well in South Florida?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on July 29, 2019, 05:57:11 PM
36-8 aka Super Alphonse

This mango blows the Alphonse out of the water, larger and better taste with a sweet resin flavor permeating throughout the melting fiberless flesh. Has a large monoembryonic seed and seemed to ripen yellowing green.


(https://i.postimg.cc/9w4dZrrZ/2-CF667-D5-8-BD6-40-D7-B596-4821-D0136-A89.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9w4dZrrZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0gFZFMc/4706-EB14-F40-A-4-AED-8-A0-E-ADD146-C8-A85-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0gFZFMc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VdC9N0yc/485-D0-D29-5454-4-F3-B-B458-DE520-F957-A48.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdC9N0yc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WdcGqpjq/5-E4-D068-D-4-D8-A-44-C7-A294-095-D4-C0-EB897.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdcGqpjq)

-Joep450

I concur.  Sugar loaf defines 'the bomb'.  Its ripening window allows late eating.

To be fair to Alphonso though, perhaps 36-8 is superior to a Florida grown Alphonso...the jury not back on how India grown would compare head to head.

I can only comment on a single 36-8 from a tasting and several Alphonse and Kesar received from an Indian source this year.

The flavor appears to be different, though similar. The 36-8 tasted more similar to Kesar from my memory, but the fruit were sampled ~3 months apart. The Kesars were purchased at the same time as the Alphonse, but the Alphonse were definitely closer to peak ripeness/ ideal brix.

The 36-8 had much more acid than Alphonse, a very nice balance similar to a ripe kiwi. The aroma of 36-8 is intense and spicy, definitely made a strong case for the Pine-free strong spice category. Having limited samples of all three, 36-8 is certainly the one I would like to try again, but it is currently being evaluated for commercial release(read: unavailable), and is monoembryonic.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tommyng on August 19, 2019, 06:02:10 AM
This is a really great thread. Iíve had the opportunity to try some of these new mango varieties this year thanks to some very generous forum members and I can honestly say some were exceptional. Along with those tastings and references from this thread I have made selections to add to the Glenn I had. Thanks everyone for their input.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Viraldonutz on April 22, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
Thank you for this awesome thread, you've opened my eyes to so many more possibilities than I'd imagined before.

Where can a SoCal guy go to try some mangoes this time of year?  I don't know if I can stand reading any more of these reviews without partaking!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on April 22, 2020, 10:32:35 PM
Where can a SoCal guy go to try some mangoes this time of year?

South Florida.
The nearest you can go is Yuma, and have the mangoes shipped there, as of yet, I'm not aware of any of the growers of the newer varieties using the packing houses with hot water treatment, nor are there any using radiation, as such the mangoes won't be shipped to California due to Mediterranean fruit fly concerns.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 11, 2020, 04:53:20 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/TpYKfwWh/02106706-D0-EF-4-E48-87-D3-E0-E38-C4-FECFB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TpYKfwWh)

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Hey Forum,

Tried a new mango called Karen Michelle, purchased from Zills. Really excited to try this one as itís the most fragrant on the ripening table at the moment. I brought it over to my wife and said wow youíve got to smell this...her response ďThey need to make perfume out of this.Ē Indeed the smell is very nice from the outside, reminds me a little like coconut cream meets Haden. Itís a good sized mango about 6in long and weighing over 1lb. I cut open the mango to reveal a bright yellow ďschool busĒ colored flesh. The flesh was juicy and had micro fibers, long strings were absent. You can see the micro fibers in the close up picture, I could also hear them splitting as I ran my knife along the seed. The flavor I would characterize as classic mango flavor in the vein as Haden/baileys marvel....some peachy tartness edge to it, but not complex and absent of resin.

-joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on May 11, 2020, 09:54:12 PM
O nice, thanks for the report.
I got to try this.

Did you get it from Zills mangos or ZHPP.

I hope to start hunting in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 12, 2020, 06:29:34 AM
ZHPP
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tiberivs on May 14, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
Nam doc mai from my tree. Finally tree gave fruit they have been good. Iím learning how to pick them and when to pick them. I like them more on the green side. Check this bad boy out biggest Nam doc mai Iíve ever seen ! I have a big hand too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/qt1S8Xvf/3-CCD73-EA-36-E4-432-D-AC42-5-A92-BE01584-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qt1S8Xvf)

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on May 17, 2020, 10:05:00 AM
Had a decent plate last night consisting of Bailey's Marvel (thanks Dale), Mulgoba (thanks Dale again), a little Coconut Cream, and Butter Cream.

Not a hint of subacid, all straight sugar.
The first three were a little overripe and you could taste the carbonation.
Half the Coconut Cream was perfect though.

Coconut Cream was the clear front runner until Buttercream happen. (last one to cut)
I wish i had taken a picture because I think i ate it at the perfect stage

Buttercream:
To make the flavor tasted like a mix between Cac and Coconut Cream (without the coconut).
The outer layer near the skin had that Indochinese sweet resin cola flavor and underneath was more like Coconut Cream but a little more tender.
This is definitely going on one of my trees.
I was afraid it was going to be a mess to cut up but it held up to dicing really well.

This is a really good fruit. I'm going to try it a little more green and how it tastes then
I think I might prefer this over a perfect Coconut Cream
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Honest Abe on May 18, 2020, 09:17:21 PM
I agree I preferred the buttercream to the coco cream. Coconut cream is too ďHawaiian tropicĒ artificial coconut flavor with zero mango flavor, but I also didnít taste any coconut In my buttercreams.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 21, 2020, 08:25:44 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/TpgfxSRZ/3-F2-F978-D-0-C09-4-B2-C-A66-F-5125-EE743125.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TpgfxSRZ)

One thing I havenít seen/heard people talking about: aborted embryos in E4 sugar loaf: Was noticing this last year in the mangos I ate and again this year....just opened up 3 and all three were aborted, stranger things man.

-joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tiberivs on May 21, 2020, 04:52:14 PM
Finally got to eat the NDM and wow I was thinking of topworking tree but it has earned its keep. Keeping up with the heavy weights. Not a complicated flavor but very nice. These mangos have a great stage that it you eat them at that point they are awesome. If you wait till fully yellow they lose any little complexity they have. Still amazed at the size of this one particular fruit. I ate a few other ones they were all great except for the first ones which were bland.


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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 23, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
I have been eating mangoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner for last few days and decided to make review videos. These are mangoes sourced from different places , plus mangoes collected from ZHPP were picked immature and did not ripen to their peak taste so the comparison is not doing justice to the varieties.

Zill , Kryptonite, Dot mango - https://youtu.be/sMPH4e4sQbY

Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, Butter Cream and Rosigold - https://youtu.be/sHcxVnLAPcA

Juliette, Taralay, Sweet Tart, Venus - https://youtu.be/OHbOB4rpaXY

Fruit Punch, Bailey's Marvel and Butter Cream again - https://youtu.be/Wv9NDyn7UMQ

Valcarrie, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart - https://youtu.be/jlwLpWQobug

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 23, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
Next , coming soon... Sugar loaf vs Lemon zest vs Coconut Cream vs Ugly Betty

and then Cac vs Fruit Punch again vs Dot vs new Zill's release Candy Corn
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Kevin Jones on May 23, 2020, 12:06:12 PM
Thanks for letting your dog give his opinion.

Kevin Jones

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 23, 2020, 12:30:41 PM
Next , coming soon... Sugar loaf vs Lemon zest vs Coconut Cream vs Ugly Betty

and then Cac vs Fruit Punch again vs Dot vs new Zill's release Candy Corn
Don't you have any friends??  You should get at least one more person to taste, compare, and rate with you.  If only I lived close by!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 23, 2020, 12:39:39 PM
Thanks. I wish i had people passionate about mangoes around me. Itís just my wife(camera shy) behind the camera and my dog for now. I have started grafting neighborsí seedling trees with new Zill varieties so hopefully things will change in near future. Also, Wanted to set up a tent do a group tasting in my garden but this year Covid came uninvited and changed everything.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 23, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
Thanks. I wish i had people passionate about mangoes around me. Itís just my wife(camera shy) behind the camera and my dog for now. I have started grafting neighborsí seedling trees with new Zill varieties so hopefully things will change in near future. Also, Wanted to set up a tent do a group tasting in my garden but this year Covid came uninvited and changed everything.
Oh yeah, I forgot about covid!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 23, 2020, 01:17:13 PM
I have been eating mangoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner for last few days and decided to make review videos. These are mangoes sourced from different places , plus mangoes collected from ZHPP were picked immature and did not ripen to their peak taste so the comparison is not doing justice to the varieties.

Zill , Kryptonite, Dot mango - https://youtu.be/sMPH4e4sQbY

Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, Butter Cream and Rosigold - https://youtu.be/sHcxVnLAPcA

Juliette, Taralay, Sweet Tart, Venus - https://youtu.be/OHbOB4rpaXY

Fruit Punch, Bailey's Marvel and Butter Cream again - https://youtu.be/Wv9NDyn7UMQ

Valcarrie, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart - https://youtu.be/jlwLpWQobug
I watched them all.  Good job!  Thank you, Satya.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on May 23, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
I have been eating mangoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner for last few days and decided to make review videos. These are mangoes sourced from different places , plus mangoes collected from ZHPP were picked immature and did not ripen to their peak taste so the comparison is not doing justice to the varieties.

Zill , Kryptonite, Dot mango - https://youtu.be/sMPH4e4sQbY

Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, Butter Cream and Rosigold - https://youtu.be/sHcxVnLAPcA

Juliette, Taralay, Sweet Tart, Venus - https://youtu.be/OHbOB4rpaXY

Fruit Punch, Bailey's Marvel and Butter Cream again - https://youtu.be/Wv9NDyn7UMQ

Valcarrie, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart - https://youtu.be/jlwLpWQobug

I just watched your first video and loved your detailed description of the fruit characteristics. Thanks for posting those wonderful videos. I felt your flavor descriptions were right on point with all three varieties. Just a side note that I also noticed a green spot on my California grown Venus which is related to the K3 if I remember correctly.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on May 23, 2020, 03:24:06 PM
I have been eating mangoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner for last few days and decided to make review videos. These are mangoes sourced from different places , plus mangoes collected from ZHPP were picked immature and did not ripen to their peak taste so the comparison is not doing justice to the varieties.

Zill , Kryptonite, Dot mango - https://youtu.be/sMPH4e4sQbY

Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, Butter Cream and Rosigold - https://youtu.be/sHcxVnLAPcA

Juliette, Taralay, Sweet Tart, Venus - https://youtu.be/OHbOB4rpaXY

Fruit Punch, Bailey's Marvel and Butter Cream again - https://youtu.be/Wv9NDyn7UMQ

Valcarrie, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart - https://youtu.be/jlwLpWQobug

Great job, Satya! Keep them coming!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 23, 2020, 06:17:28 PM
I have been eating mangoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner for last few days and decided to make review videos. These are mangoes sourced from different places , plus mangoes collected from ZHPP were picked immature and did not ripen to their peak taste so the comparison is not doing justice to the varieties.

Zill , Kryptonite, Dot mango - https://youtu.be/sMPH4e4sQbY

Lemon Zest, Lemon Meringue, Butter Cream and Rosigold - https://youtu.be/sHcxVnLAPcA

Juliette, Taralay, Sweet Tart, Venus - https://youtu.be/OHbOB4rpaXY

Fruit Punch, Bailey's Marvel and Butter Cream again - https://youtu.be/Wv9NDyn7UMQ

Valcarrie, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart - https://youtu.be/jlwLpWQobug

I just watched your first video and loved your detailed description of the fruit characteristics. Thanks for posting those wonderful videos. I felt your flavor descriptions were right on point with all three varieties. Just a side note that I also noticed a green spot on my California grown Venus which is related to the K3 if I remember correctly.

Simon

Thanks Simon. I see that in Sweet Tart sometimes. The flesh at that particular spot was not different compared to non-green skin area flesh. Still waiting to taste a home grown Kathy/K-3, the one from ZHPP was picked too early. I saw Kathy at a friend's garden and it was growing very very slow as per him so not sure if anyone has it fruiting yet.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 23, 2020, 08:27:34 PM
Ok this one was tough to choose from and every bite was an eye-opener...i enjoyed, hopefully you will watching it too -
Sugar Loaf vs Lemon Zest vs Coconut Cream vs Ugly Betty   -    https://youtu.be/ijaeER64Biw


Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on May 24, 2020, 12:57:10 AM
Is M4 candy corn?

Or is Candy corn a Corne seedling?

Either way, another CC to add to the abbreviations list.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 24, 2020, 09:32:33 AM
Is M4 candy corn?

Or is Candy corn a Corne seedling?

Either way, another CC to add to the abbreviations list.
There's Cotton Candy.  OK, so Candy Corn (which is not M-4) is a new variety just released by Zill.  Slightly confusing.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 24, 2020, 09:40:28 AM
From my memory of eating M-4 last year it was a smaller size mango and did not change much color when it ripened. Candy Corn is larger and changed into yellow color after ripening. M-4 had a much complex taste whereas Cotton Candy is very very sweet with some mango-flavor, probably a slight classic mango flavor but i did not taste any sub-acid component. Here is a review video of Candy Corn mango along with comparison with Cac and Sugar Loaf that i ate yesterday : https://youtu.be/bIoTndCE3CU

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 24, 2020, 10:09:31 AM
From my memory of eating M-4 last year it was a smaller size mango and did not change much color when it ripened. Candy Corn is larger and changed into yellow color after ripening. M-4 had a much complex taste whereas Cotton Candy is very very sweet with some mango-flavor, probably a slight classic mango flavor but i did not taste any sub-acid component. Here is a review video of Candy Corn mango along with comparison with Cac and Sugar Loaf that i ate yesterday : https://youtu.be/bIoTndCE3CU

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Your video describes Candy Corn as supersweet, but without any deep flavors or complexity.  Soooo...how would that compare to Cotton Candy, which you also describe as supersweet with "a slight classic mango flavor?"  I realize that you're not comparing the two side-by-side, but from memory.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 24, 2020, 10:18:06 AM
From my memory of eating M-4 last year it was a smaller size mango and did not change much color when it ripened. Candy Corn is larger and changed into yellow color after ripening. M-4 had a much complex taste whereas Cotton Candy is very very sweet with some mango-flavor, probably a slight classic mango flavor but i did not taste any sub-acid component. Here is a review video of Candy Corn mango along with comparison with Cac and Sugar Loaf that i ate yesterday : https://youtu.be/bIoTndCE3CU

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Your video describes Candy Corn as supersweet, but without any deep flavors or complexity.  Soooo...how would that compare to Cotton Candy, which is also supersweet with "a slight classic mango flavor?"  I realize that you're not comparing the two side-by-side, but from memory.

Yes Cotton Candy from last year was intensely sweet as well, similar in taste to Candy Corn but was a smaller mango. Plus the Cotton Candies i had, had uneven ripening with bland tasting spots as places. I still have 2-3 more Candy Corns to taste but i agree, would be interesting to taste them side by side to get the subtle differences.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 24, 2020, 03:28:29 PM

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Lakshmi Mango

Purchased this mango from Walter Zills stand, just one. The story behind it is a friend or patron said it was a good mango and so Walter grafted it to see if it would sell. The fruit is very rounded and resembles the shape of a large green Granny Smith apple. There was no smell to the outside of the mango while the flesh had a slight give to it. Cutting it open I noticed the flesh is a pale yellow, totally fiberless, and flesh is very firm and not juicy strikes me as there is hardly any juice on the plate after every cut was made. This is a very interesting and unique mango flavor wise as it tastes.....like a bartlet pear, definitely PEAR, like no other mango I could compare this to that Iíve ever had. As I ate nearest the skin there is a sweeter honey flavor with some faint resin twist. Definitely recommend giving this one a shot to see how you like it, the flavor is so different that I think itís going to have a love/hate following.

Joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 24, 2020, 03:47:17 PM

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Recently did a mango sampling at work between a lemon zest off my tree, Cac, and Pim Saen Mun both grown by tropical acres. All three mangos were in absolute form and I was totally excited to compare the three side by side myself while also getting feedback from three associates who do not have a ďare you experiencedĒ in Jimi Hendrix terms knowledge like myself, are mangos drugs? ...anyways. The winner clearly was Cac which was super sweet cataloupe and honeydew melon with faint musk after finish wowed the crowd. The PSM banana popsicle/sugar cane flavor and Lemon Zest citrus oranges and creamy flesh with little sub acid zing...were tied for second.

Iím gonna venture out on a limb and say, that Cac will probably be the best Iíll have this year. And the season I had just started!





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Joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on May 24, 2020, 08:32:32 PM
Satya, Squam256 or anyone else sample a J12, Orange Essence or Pineapple Pleasure this year? Satya, I canít get enough of your videos, keep up the great work!

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 24, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Simon, thank you..mango passion continues..had to make this video for some friends new  to mango world-https://youtu.be/JULXpwASh3w

I have not tasted Orange Essence or PP or J-12 yet, my trees are still small to hold fruits, J-12 flowered but aborted. I will be going for mango hunting again this week. Now eating the last of the previous weeksí collection. Just had Edgar from mangokothiyanís garden and a Sweet Tart. To me Edgar had more of the indochinese flavor with a milder sweetness than the classic taste of Edward. Sweet Tart this time was at its peak flavor, i was topworking it to Venus for the lack of space for a vigorous tree but changed my mind. Certainly a must have variety. It did have the green patch on the skin like K-3 but the flavor under that part wasnít affected.
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoCountry on May 25, 2020, 10:51:26 AM
Simon the Pineapple Pleasures have been fantastic. Have a J-12 ripening now. Hereís my review of Pineapple Pleasure as well as many others
https://www.instagram.com/p/CALlXJuAwFa/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CALlXJuAwFa/)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on May 25, 2020, 03:59:19 PM
I had one pineapple pleasure from Walters, it was great.

Mangos from zhpp
The other buttercream I had was decent along with candy corn. I could tell from the wrinkles and texture that they were picked to early. I guess they're still trying to get the timing right.
Didn't have much of a problem with the valcarrie and ugly Betty from them though.
LZ was sweet but lacked much complexity that I love about it. Don't think I'll be able get much more this year.

From my tree.
Cac has be consistently great, but they are from my tree so I have the luxury of checking on them often.
Ndm is falling left and right finally started to taste better but only have a few left on the tree.
Cogshalls have improved over last year's crop.
Angie's started out great but seemed to have suffer from the rains.
Pickering are great as always
Nelepete is nice, still trying to figure out the best time to eat them.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on May 25, 2020, 04:34:54 PM
I had one pineapple pleasure from Walters, it was great.

Mangos from zhpp
The other buttercream I had was decent along with candy corn. I could tell from the wrinkles and texture that they were picked to early. I guess they're still trying to get the timing right.
Didn't have much of a problem with the valcarrie and ugly Betty from them though.
LZ was sweet but lacked much complexity that I love about it. Don't think I'll be able get much more this year.

From my tree.
Cac has be consistently great, but they are from my tree so I have the luxury of checking on them often.
Ndm is falling left and right finally started to taste better but only have a few left on the tree.
Cogshalls have improved over last year's crop.
Angie's started out great but seemed to have suffer from the rains.
Pickering are great as always
Nelepete is nice, still trying to figure out the best time to eat them.
So do the people who keep taking them.
Any headway on preventing the theft this year?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoCountry on May 25, 2020, 05:35:32 PM
Candy Corn have been terrible. Flesh is very light and tastes like a bad cantaloupe. Has anyone else tried them? I tried one last season and it was very good.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on May 25, 2020, 07:24:40 PM
@oolie.
Good memory bud.
It helps that I'm home these days I guess.
Last year I think I began trimming and shaping the tree too early. that revealed the fruit a lot more.
I'm waiting until the last one is off. Then I'll trim.

I'm thinking about putting a landscaping barrier with some thorny plants in front to dissuade them. But its hard to justify spending that much money to protect the fruit. Concrete retaining wall blocks are expensive.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on May 25, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
If you are interested, I can get you Dovyalis caffra aka Kei Apple, thorns that will dissuade a rhino.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on May 26, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Candy Corn have been terrible. Flesh is very light and tastes like a bad cantaloupe. Has anyone else tried them? I tried one last season and it was very good.

Earlier this morning, I had the last of the Candy Corn mangoes Satya was kind enough to give me. That one tasted really good, unlike the others that were really bland. Makes me think the others were picked way early.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoCountry on May 27, 2020, 11:13:01 AM
Candy Corn have been terrible. Flesh is very light and tastes like a bad cantaloupe. Has anyone else tried them? I tried one last season and it was very good.

Earlier this morning, I had the last of the Candy Corn mangoes Satya was kind enough to give me. That one tasted really good, unlike the others that were really bland. Makes me think the others were picked way early.
Cool! Good to know thereís hope. I assumed they had named something else Candy Corn as these were incomparable to the one that I sampled last season. That was last August so itís quite early yet
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 30, 2020, 02:09:34 PM

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Sunrise

The bought some sunrise mangos from ZHPP plants and they were exquisite. Sunrise reminds me of malika in many ways. Notice how it ripens with green splotches, very similar. The flesh is totally fiberless and melting and an orange color like malika. The flavor is sweet with notes of honey and carrot like malika though with a resin that permeates throughout the flesh in every bite unlike malika!. Outstanding mango.

-Joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 30, 2020, 02:39:17 PM

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Cotton Candy

Here is one of 5 cotton candy mangos I scored this year and the second one Iíve sampled of the lot. The two previous seasons I have completely ended empty handed without trying this mango as it is a hot item that goes very quickly. I gotta say though based on just the two that Iíve had, Iím a little disappointed. Recently ďcotton candyĒ grapes were released as an incredible achievement to selective breeding efforts and they actually taste like cotton candy, they are delicious and I feel that combined with the scarcity of acquiring this cultivar set the bar very high for my expectations. The mango pictured seems to be on riper side internally as it was very juicy with a classic juicy mango flesh texture not melting or chalky, which I was expecting based on ďcotton candyĒ name. The flesh is yellow and reminds me of an improved Keitt though much smaller and sweater than Keitt. I didnít sense any resin in the skin peel or throughout the flesh.

Question to fellow members, how has this season been so far for cotton candy? Will sample the other 3 mangos when ready, but as it stands Iíd rather have cotton candy grapes than a cotton candy mango. 🤷‍♂️

-joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: weiss613 on May 30, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
I don’t know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and it’s still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before it’s time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth. There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isn’t interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons. I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. It’s almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now it’s way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: TonyinCC on May 30, 2020, 06:25:12 PM
I have about a dozen Cotton Candy fruit that look ready to pick but are still firmly attached.I might have picked some by now if I hadn't know it was a late variety.
 I have told my kids not to pick them yet. I think a good rule of thumb if you don't have experience with a variety is to wait until fruit start dropping and then ripen them off the tree a few days. Then IF it is really good, pick another one every few days and do the same until you know they will be at at eating peak. I also try to leave a few on the trees as long as possible and wait for them to fall to gauge how late they will go. Drought stress can sometimes advance ripening of fruit but usually not by more than a week or so. Little Gem is a MUCH better mango it you don't even start picking until August in Florida. Nancy gets such good size and color months before it is ready that some early reviews were negative. I don't start picking that one until the END of July. It is a shame if interest in potentially good varieties is killed by a few bad reviews of fruit that is picked too early. A lot of mangos are EDIBLE a month early if ripened off the tree but not anywhere near their peak. If you only have one tree that is loaded with fruit it makes sense to pick a few to see how early they can be used knowing full well that they won't be as good as fully ripe fruit.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 30, 2020, 07:09:42 PM
I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth. There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons. I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Hi Richard,
i understand you are mostly targeting me in your multiple comments, so I will elaborate (again). I get your perspective. Believe me, i grew up eating mangoes. I remember when i was 7-8 yrs old our father used to pluck mangoes off our trees (our family has agricultural lands in South Nepal) and keep them in huge rice barrels to ripen, and when they did, he used to slice them, my brother would get one half, and I the other, and then the two sides of the flesh by the seed, each bite was heavenly and we would count each day until the next one ripened.. the passion for mangoes has stayed so until today. My purpose here is not to expose my dumbness and self-centeredness by posting tastings of mango videos. And i have no serious business here or in the youtube videos - you are right, Iím not a commercial grower and am not making money off of my love for mangoes. Youtube is a free platform, at least until now, until some very moral and politically correct people decide to make it PC, proper, pure, Ďunadulteratedí and accurate (the exact words used by Adolph Hitler, by the way).  I don't think i am immature in eating mangoes - i have eaten them all my life. Actually, the reason I moved to FL after graduating was to grow and eat the best mangoes possibleÖ. In fact, with my 200/hr salary i could go anywhere and settle anywhere in the US or the world but decided to settle here because both my wife and I love the heat and the mangoes.

Before we started to plant our garden, for 2 years we went to many many mango farms south, north and west of Miami, Broward and as far up as mangoes grow, talked to established growers. The first year we spent a fortune tasting all the mangoes. We considered that they would taste differently in different places and chose the varieties that tasted the best for US personally, not in general opinion or based on ANYONEís reviews, even the ďleaders of the boardĒ. Everyoneís taste buds are different, everyoneís agendas in rating mangoes are also different, and I would never be so dumb as to plant 40 mango trees in MY garden based on reviews of forum members or based on youtube videos without tasting the varieties myself because i know mango taste changes from place to place, year to year, surprisingly tree to tree and importantly - person to person. As Iím not here to satisfy the general commercial taste, I do not make choices based on general consensus. I share my love for mangoes, not my professionalism or status in the mango world, whatever that could be.

You have commented upon my disclaimer and said this is smart, immoral and inaccurate. This disclaimer was needed so people donít watch and rush to nursery to buy the tree or top work an existing tree . I donít think people are that dumb; they watch reviews to reinforce their already formed opinion about a certain mango or to learn something new about that specific mango. Reviews in this forum are not sealed in time, they keep coming as people taste more mangoes. We will also be making videos as we progress through he season , videos on same varieties will come again and review on same variety will come again too. For example, if a mango is picked early and tastes bad, reviewer always says it was picked early, so there is a learning point there. Also, if a mango was picked after a week of rain and tasted bad, the reviewer says so and there is a learning point. I do that in my videos so the review is NOT ABOUT A MANGO BUT THE mango in my hand AT THAT MOMENT, picked in that month, that season, from a certain grove, certain microclimate. The disclaimer should have been enough, but doesnít seem that itís enough for you, so i needed to elaborate. Plus, it is like with anything else: cars or dogs or even your partner. People may like or hate the same variety, not everyone should love it. If everyone loved only one variety, or one person, you wouldnít have that many varieties around. WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS! Imagine if everyone loved the same woman, it would be a nightmare for the entire world!
Plus, even from your 28 cotton candy trees you will not get same taste every year, so please take these reviews and videos as reviews of mango of certain place, year and time in the history rather than review of THE mango of certain variety.

Many many people have come forward and told me how they liked the mango video reviews and how a certain taste thing i told in the video is what they felt while tasting it as well. I meet these kind hearted people while i go to Steve's at Hidden Acres to pick more mangoes, to Zills and meeting my friend mango lovers to share our experiences. Please do not take life seriously, the more lightness in the heart the more fun it is in growing and eating mangoes.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 30, 2020, 07:19:23 PM
I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth. There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons. I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Hey Weiss,

I purchase most of the mangos I review from Zill High Performance plants and from time to time when Gary Zill is in the room we will have a discussion about mangos and the season and climate conditions that influence such seasons. Iím deeply in love with the subject. My last convo with Gary a about 2 weeks ago was along the lines of this is the best season heís ever seen in the decades heís been involved with mangos and that the season is so incredible specifically because many late season varieties have come early and that there are multiple blooms such that the season will be extended, this was told to me when I was buying the cotton candy and how Iíve missed them two previous seasons in July. He hypothesized that due to global warming there is more co2 in the air which plants love, I said maybe because we had pulsating cold blasts and drier than normal rain fall 🤷‍♂️ So I wish you call and speak to him yourself. But wish you the best with your 20 plus cotton candy trees.... 👍

-Joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoCountry on May 30, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
I have sampled dozens of Cotton Candy mangos over the years. Besides their above average sweetness and cotton candy like aftertaste they are nothing more than a renamed Keitt. Donít let the name fool you.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on May 30, 2020, 08:53:57 PM
Satya, I thoroughly enjoy your video reviews, and appreciate them for what they are, an opinion. Furthermore, after watching a few of your reviews, I watched other videos on your garden, which inspired me to branch out my plantings to other edibles. I was literally telling another forum member this morning how your videos inspired me, as I picked up my new Barbados cherry. So, I say thank you for sharing and please keep the videos coming.  :)

Joe, I also enjoy your reviews, have read them all and look forward to your future posts. Given the length of this thread, Iím not the only one.  ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Jani on May 30, 2020, 09:15:21 PM
Imam Pasand is fantastic...best mango in my yard 5th season in a row and once again my favorite out of anything I've tried elsewhere..
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on May 30, 2020, 10:38:44 PM
Guys I know taste is subjective and Iíve been criticized before of the reviews and I have said at a base take from these the pictures...and the sizes, and the colors, the weights, and length measurements. This is to put information out whereas you wanna know what xyz mango looks like good luck finding that on the internet besides this thread! Iím happy to have started this thread which is a top read thread based on views but have really enjoyed reading others reviews and participation most recently satya.

Recently I was asked over DM what my top 10 mangos were this was my response:

Hey ĒXYZĒ

Taste is very subjective BUT I think the more you read about tasting reports you tend to see the same names rank high frequently so I believe that there is some truth in that there are better mangos than others. Personally I rank mangos based on taste as I grow for personal consumption and not based on production, Iíd rather have two Devine tasting mangos than 40 ok mangos. I havenít had every mango but I think Iíve eaten maybe 150+ mango types based on the festivals, tastings, and mango hunting that Iíve done.

Personally in no particular order I like: sweet tart, lemon zest, coconut cream, fruit punch, cac, harvest moon, ice cream, super Julie, super Alphonso and sugar loaf.

Probably my favorite is ice cream, I look forward to it every year and have a tree.

Tried a few O-15 this year that were good and waiting to try 5 cotton candy mangos that are ripening on my table at the moment, I have missed cotton candy two years in a row but finally got some this year.

-Joe

More on ice cream....

Been doing mango tastings at work with associates, these are mango noobs, people who donít know this site even exist for example and donít have a tree and basically know the two mangos in Publix... itís fun because it really removes biases like whatís the hot new sexy mango on the block. Recently pit cac, LZ and PSM against each other and ID the mangos by number not by their sexy name like Lemon Zest! ....CAC won and it beat the pants off the LZ that I grew...but then I brought in ice cream, Kathy aka K3 aka kryptonite and a sweet tart. All three were in perfect form and the winner...... ice cream! ...close second was Kathy. I went on to talk to the associates about ice cream and how to look for it when you go to truly tropical as itís always passed over because itís smaller, uncolorfull green, and sometimes looks downright diseased because of its anthracnose issue... the associates were laughing saying so true if I saw this mango I wouldnít buy it BASED ON LOOKS.

A lowly ice cream off my tree below, the little mango that could not sexy at all sorry not sorry 😂

(https://i.postimg.cc/fth8wkxg/F72-B924-C-33-CC-4026-8-B88-785-FAC013-DBF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fth8wkxg)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 31, 2020, 12:02:55 AM
I think we've all come to realize by now that mango tasting is a VERY subjective experience.  The only other fruit with such a wide variety of flavors is probably the apple.  Everyone's favorites are going to be different, but I still enjoy watching and reading reviews--the more, the better.  They're entertaining for a mango lover, and maybe I'll learn about a new variety or get a fresh perspective, but bottom line is always that I should taste for myself.  Years ago I planted Angie based on Richard Campbell's Curator's Choice glorious description, and I also planted Mahachanok because it was probably the most popular mango when this forum started up in 2012.  They're both good mangoes but not my favorites, and if I had tasted them in advance I probably would not have planted either one.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: knlim000 on May 31, 2020, 03:09:25 AM
Mahachanok off from my tree in the greenhouse.

middle one was picked mature green a week ago.  The two smaller on the left and right were pick this evening, turned yellow on the tree.
The middle one has floral smells. The other two, has no smell.  I will let me sister do the taste test and see what she thinks.


(https://i.postimg.cc/YvKQVj9w/IMG-5179.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YvKQVj9w)

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on May 31, 2020, 05:57:15 AM
I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth. There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons. I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Let's chew this up a bit to help digest.

I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth.

I think I may have the answer in they are sharing their opinions openly, and free of charge to everyone. This is a message board aimed primarily at backyard gardeners, and the general public. Many people here don't have the ability to grow a mango, and if they do, they're doing it in quite unconventional means. If someone buys a mango from the company run by the person who bred and selected a variety, and they feel it's a sub-par variety, I for one would love to hear about it. If it's sub-par in that it is being sold to early, just the same, I would like to hear about it, as it is the company run by the person who bred and selected the variety who is selling it. Sounds like there is no better source to go to for a pure unadulterated truth regarding that variety. In no way are these opinions meaningless crap, as I now know that right now if I was to purchase mangoes in Florida to send to my relatives, I've no reason to pick Cotton Candy over Ice Cream or Sunrise unless I'm buying them for someone who despises strong flavors/ resin-type aromas, and wants to taste a fruit with who's quality falls down relative to the name put on it by the same people selling it.

There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons.

Wow, resorting to personal attacks over an opinion? I wonder why some people can't distinguish between personal opinions and fact and fiction. Even going as far as to call out the morality of someone who has offered their opinion openly and freely to the benefit of those who would listen. "extremely destructive and immoral", if we read on, we may find a deeper motivation which has trigger this Ad Hominem outburst.

I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Ah, the truth comes forward. It seems that people sharing their honest opinions is cutting into your bottom-line. It also appears that you're very motivated to protect your investment. It seems that you planted these trees based on nothing more than opinions and conjecture, and maybe even a name. If this is the first year you've ever had fruit from your trees, I think your opinion regarding the fruit in question should be worth far less than the opinion of those who purchased the fruit from the most experienced grower of that variety in the world. I see that this is a serious business for you, maybe you're in the wrong business.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tommyng on May 31, 2020, 06:47:18 AM
I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth. There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons. I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Let's chew this up a bit to help digest.

I donít know how people can seriously review mangoes now that were picked prematurely. For example all the comments on Cotton Candy. C.C normally is a late season fruit and itís still May. Any comments at this time about Cotton Candy etc etc etc are meaningless crap. Anyone who gets up publicly and expounds on a mango 6-10 weeks before itís time may have a screw loose or would rather show everyone how smart they are than have an interest in pure unadulterated truth.

I think I may have the answer in they are sharing their opinions openly, and free of charge to everyone. This is a message board aimed primarily at backyard gardeners, and the general public. Many people here don't have the ability to grow a mango, and if they do, they're doing it in quite unconventional means. If someone buys a mango from the company run by the person who bred and selected a variety, and they feel it's a sub-par variety, I for one would love to hear about it. If it's sub-par in that it is being sold to early, just the same, I would like to hear about it, as it is the company run by the person who bred and selected the variety who is selling it. Sounds like there is no better source to go to for a pure unadulterated truth regarding that variety. In no way are these opinions meaningless crap, as I now know that right now if I was to purchase mangoes in Florida to send to my relatives, I've no reason to pick Cotton Candy over Ice Cream or Sunrise unless I'm buying them for someone who despises strong flavors/ resin-type aromas, and wants to taste a fruit with who's quality falls down relative to the name put on it by the same people selling it.

There is some member from North Miami who is putting videos of him tasting mangoes that have no basis in reality but he adds a disclaimer to everything he says. So basically he isnít interested in truth only in something else. I find that extremely destructive and immoral. This site is for sharing accurate info in order to help each and every member new and old get accurate information for multiple reasons.

Wow, resorting to personal attacks over an opinion? I wonder why some people can't distinguish between personal opinions and fact and fiction. Even going as far as to call out the morality of someone who has offered their opinion openly and freely to the benefit of those who would listen. "extremely destructive and immoral", if we read on, we may find a deeper motivation which has trigger this Ad Hominem outburst.

I based my choices of which mango varieties to plant which was a huge investment for me in money and time and very very hard work on the great members here. If these unknowledgeable people were on this board back then I would have been totally screwed. And going forward lots of new people are going to get hurt by these same self centered and maybe dumb individuals. I have 26 Cotton Candy trees and this is the first year I have any fruit from them. I have never tasted one but my decision to buy and plant them was based on comments from a consensus of reviews by the obvious leaders on this board. Itís almost June 1 and not a single one of the fruit has fallen off of maybe only 25-30 on all the 26 trees. Right now itís way way way too early for an honest review of a Cotton Candy mango. Does anyone who cares really want to hear meaningless comments about a mango so prematurely picked or that dropped off a tree. This is serious business here and anyone who takes this so lightly........

Ah, the truth comes forward. It seems that people sharing their honest opinions is cutting into your bottom-line. It also appears that you're very motivated to protect your investment. It seems that you planted these trees based on nothing more than opinions and conjecture, and maybe even a name. If this is the first year you've ever had fruit from your trees, I think your opinion regarding the fruit in question should be worth far less than the opinion of those who purchased the fruit from the most experienced grower of that variety in the world. I see that this is a serious business for you, maybe you're in the wrong business.

I hate to see a grown adult devolve into personally attacking someone else for a subjective viewpoint. It also  is ironic that he used subjective views to justify planting over two dozen trees.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: roblack on May 31, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
Just picked the last of 6 Coco Creams. They have been really good, but not as great as last year's. Squam's site says they ripen June - July.  Have got a couple of Kesars, several still on tree. Real good. Squam's site says they ripen late June - July.

Got well over 100 Glenns, with a second crop currently ripening. 1st round was nice. Wondering if 2nd crop will be more watered down due to all the rain.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 31, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on May 31, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOSNOmKn3qc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOSNOmKn3qc)

Truly Tropical tasting table.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Jani on May 31, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
here's something different for a review for my Jamaicans out there (mango snobs need not reply :) )!
Just got a handful of "Sweetie Come Brush Mi" from South Dade..
Man what a bust of flavor and juciness in these tiny little gems..
Haven't had these in years! First time I've ever had some grown in Fl.


(https://i.postimg.cc/pm1zHBwt/20200531-142755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pm1zHBwt)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on May 31, 2020, 04:09:33 PM
Thank you all the members here who support the free speech and expression of opinion. We had opportunity to taste some of the Indian variety mangoes - Mallika, Kesar and Suvarna Rekha/Sundari yesterday, video review on those will come later. We also had opportunity to taste Pineapple Pleasure finally, together with Diamond and Little Gem.

I went to Walter and Verna's home mango stand a few days back and it was so beautiful to talk about mangoes, a passion we shared together. Walter was thinking about top-working the Pina Colada tree to Sugar Loaf due to popular demand. I told Verna i loveee Pina Colada. She took me to their tree and gave a few, one of them was almost ripe and i have included it in the video. The Pineapple pleasure was also from there. This is my first time tasting PP and only thing i will add not mentioned in the video is i am going to let my other three PP go further ripe in the garage to see how the balance of acid and sweetness changes with ripeness. I also had a mango from forum member 'mangokothiyan's garden. We were going through his garden looking at each mango tree with fruits and i suddenly had a fragrant mango in my hand. The shape looked more like Juliette and color and aroma reminded of Glenn, with orange/pink blush with pale green areas but we looked around and did not find similar shaped fruit. He does not grow Juliette or Glenn so they were out of the equation. The closest match was Little Gem so we thought it was Little Gem that had matured early.

So, this is a review on Pineapple Pleasure, Pina Colada, Diamond and probably Little Gem.
Pineapple pleasure took me by surprise(watch the video for more) , Pina Colada as always was superb tasting, Little Gem i think will develop more complexity to the taste as the season progresses into June-July and Diamond our first time tasting reminded of NDM but with something added.  - https://youtu.be/nz_KFyUEO7o
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on May 31, 2020, 06:56:35 PM
Keep them coming Satya, the reviews are excellent! I eagerly watch all the videos you, Truly Tropical and Sulcata grove put out. Itís great to hear other peopleís opinion about a specific mango variety. Everyoneís palate is different but it still gives us an idea about how your palate perceived each mango.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on June 01, 2020, 01:17:10 AM
tropical-farmer..... I looked at your videos of the mediation garden. Very impressive. I also like what Weiss has to say so you are both correct.
Personally -- meditation is a waste of time. Best prayers are said out loud. Nam Myho Renge Kyo and heart sutra recitation is more effective. As in..... say it out loud. Mantras, minding breaths etc. in meditative silence evaporates into the ether unless you are living off boiled nettles in a cave.  Like Milarepa.
Quote
While the story of Milarepaís cave is a powerful example of one manís journey to discover his relationship to the world, we donít need to seclude ourselves in a cave and eat nettles until we turn green to discover the same truth for ourselves! The scientific discoveries Ö

Or Ray Dalio doing TM for 40 years. D credits TM for his success as a  hedgie worth 20 billions. Axe in TV show Billions is half modeled off him.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on June 01, 2020, 08:10:36 AM
tropical-farmer..... I looked at your videos of the mediation garden. Very impressive. I also like what Weiss has to say so you are both correct.
Personally -- meditation is a waste of time. Best prayers are said out loud. Nam Myho Renge Kyo and heart sutra recitation is more effective. As in..... say it out loud. Mantras, minding breaths etc. in meditative silence evaporates into the ether unless you are living off boiled nettles in a cave.  Like Milarepa.
Quote
While the story of Milarepaís cave is a powerful example of one manís journey to discover his relationship to the world, we donít need to seclude ourselves in a cave and eat nettles until we turn green to discover the same truth for ourselves! The scientific discoveries Ö

Or Ray Dalio doing TM for 40 years. D credits TM for his success as a  hedgie worth 20 billions. Axe in TV show Billions is half modeled off him.

Thank you Zands. Our meditation garden is just in its beginning stage, we someday will have an urban food forest meditation garden :), won't have a cave but hopefully trees dense enough to create a forest atmosphere. We are reviewing mangoes and meditation is off the topic here but for me it shares the same passion as for mangoes....well not :) mangoes take the advantage during the mango season..hahaha but seriously i think it has helped me a lot. I work in an environment where all the people's mental diseases and physical diseases come pouring at me so without meditation the inner chaos would have swept me into the whirlpool. No wonder most of the docs friends today are themselves on some kind of psychotropic medications that could be just to even fall asleep at night. For me the journey started almost 2 decades ago. My first experience of inner clarity, the expansion of all the senses with an orgasmic sense of oneness with everything that was going on at that moment, it was at a 10 days Vipassana course conducted by S.N Goenka. Vipassana is a very deep surgery of the mind, it took me into my childhood memories that i had forgotten existed and then beyond this life as well the memory of which i had no idea about...i highly recommend to anyone wanting the experience and form an opinion on meditation to first go try this. There is one free 10 day course in Jesup, Georgia and another in Kaufmann, Texas and many in California. In our meditation garden we welcome all forms of meditation because different people go through the experience through different ways. Mantra chantings are also part of our events, so is sound meditation or Kriya Yoga or Sufi meditations or Kundalini meditation. Every way is included because there are many ways, and all lead to the same place, your inner self. If you live close by come to us once this Covid restrictions are lifted.

We had some Indian variety mangoes yesterday. Kesar from 'mangokothiyan' at Coral Springs , Mallika from Hidden Acres in Davie and Suvarnarekha or Sundari from Zhpp. They were all very interesting flavor profiles, all different. Mallika has been one of my favorites for a few yrs now and i like the sweetness combined with the typical indian mango flavor i grew up eating  with the citrusy undertone, simply a combination of many flavors makes it such a diverse taste profile. Suvarnarekha trying for the first time was picked immature i think, or may be the recent rains washed out its taste, otherwise imagine if that peppercorn like spiciness was combined with a high brix this mango would jump into my top 5. Kesar was mild in sweetness and had a resinous taste closer to skin but i think it too got affected by recent rains. I think these 2 mangoes will develop a more peak flavor in dryer and mineral rich soil in CA than in FL.
The video on these mangoes is here- https://youtu.be/pTMxW53OqdE

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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 01, 2020, 02:21:57 PM
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Hey Forum,

An Italian (Me), Jamaican, and Indian...casually enjoying a few mangos while at work on break. Todayís knife fight consisted of 1) Super Alphonse aka 36-8, special thanks to mangocountry for making this contestant possible grown by ZHPP, 2) O-15 grown by ZHPP and 3) Ice Cream as grown by me. I asked the reviewers to rate their preferred mangos with a description and afterward I revealed their identities. Their notes are up above pictured and Iím going to provide my subjective opinion below.

36-8: this was very complex, more so than the previous season and this probably the only one Iíll get to try this year, I had another but it was picked too soon and didnít ripen properly/sour wrinkled. There was a faint sweet smell on the outside, I cut it open to reveal a bright yellow orange flesh which is totally fiberless with some thin juice. The texture of the flesh was melting. I tasted a few different flavors some sub acid faint green apple like flavor in the lower beak part of the flesh, while areas around the seed revealed some faint earthiness/musk but it was not objectionable, the resin twist was prevalent throughout the flesh and bite while concentrated in the peel. I enjoyed this mango and the appearance with a pinkish blush was a bonus.

O-15 IMO won the show, it tasted the sweetest of the three with a viscous syrupy resin sugar that permeated the flesh and skin in every bite. I tasted some sweet thick honey upfront slight citrus background and resin throughout. The flesh was melting and slightly darker than 36-8.

Ice Cream: this ice cream was over ripe unfortunately, still sweet and resinous throughout but the flesh consistency was juicy and ďWateryĒ. I find it interesting that Indian reviewer ranked it 2 out of 3 👀🤔 and after the identities were revealed the Jamaicanís response was ďwow Iím suprised this is not the same mango you brought in last weekĒ referencing the last tasting of ice cream vs sweet tart vs Kathy were it won 👀

For me in this knife fight the lot fell O15> 36-8 >Ice Cream.

Joe

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: zands on June 01, 2020, 02:54:04 PM
@tropical-farmer

Thanks for elaborating, saying more about meditation practices. So why not have a one day, all day vipassana retreat-session right where you are. Much can be accomplished in one day. The cooler months are better.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: weiss613 on June 02, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 03, 2020, 10:43:17 AM
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.

All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍

-joe

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 03, 2020, 05:23:10 PM
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.

All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍

-joe

I completely agree. This forum has been so helpful and we can build a better database with more members contributing their experiences.

On a side note, I absolutely love Lemon Zest Mangos but I only get a mango or two every year or every other year so Iím looking for a replacement. I already have PPK and Orange Sherbet, I also have a couple grafted Orange Essence  trees but Iím thinking of not planting the Orange Essence and planting some Seacrest/Tripple Sec that I just grafted instead.

Anyone thatís tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest have an opinion which is better tasting? I know tastes are subjective but I love sweet and I love the flavor of Lemon Zest.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DRFixembones on June 03, 2020, 09:10:33 PM
Just tasted a Coconut Cream Mango for the first time, purchased at Truly Tropical in a mixed bag of mangos. Was not good. Tasted coconut but no sweetness at all, almost tasted like dirty water. I let it ripen on the counter for a few days after purchasing it and seemed to be ripe. Is that the normal taste??
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: weiss613 on June 03, 2020, 09:57:09 PM
All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍

-joe
Joe I donít do business itís purely a hobby. The fruit from my 260-270 mango trees goes to friends neighbors relatives then the food bank. I mailed 26 boxes already and never have taken a penny. In fact this year production was so bad I had to spend almost $300 for mangoes at Zill to full fill my promises to mail people mangoes. So you see my insane rant about truth was not based on the almighty dollar but pure truth and love and respect for our subject ďthe mango.Ē The trees sit on a 1/2 acre corner lot. Plus about 30 Avocado trees and 3 lychee trees. So about 300 fruit trees on a 1/2 acre corner lot and every one of them is perfectly healthy and disease free. And next week Iím squeezing in 20 blueberry bushes specially created for zone 10 and 1 of the varieties grows even in 11.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on June 04, 2020, 12:20:17 AM
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.

All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍

-joe

I completely agree. This forum has been so helpful and we can build a better database with more members contributing their experiences.

On a side note, I absolutely love Lemon Zest Mangos but I only get a mango or two every year or every other year so Iím looking for a replacement. I already have PPK and Orange Sherbet, I also have a couple grafted Orange Essence  trees but Iím thinking of not planting the Orange Essence and planting some Seacrest/Tripple Sec that I just grafted instead.

Anyone thatís tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest have an opinion which is better tasting? I know tastes are subjective but I love sweet and I love the flavor of Lemon Zest.

Simon


I have tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest and have them grafted on to my trees. Very little to choose between them in terms of flavor, both are really sweet and have more than a hint of Gary flavor in them. Orange Essence is more productive, at least in my yard.   
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Oolie on June 04, 2020, 05:08:37 AM
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.

All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍

-joe

I completely agree. This forum has been so helpful and we can build a better database with more members contributing their experiences.

On a side note, I absolutely love Lemon Zest Mangos but I only get a mango or two every year or every other year so Iím looking for a replacement. I already have PPK and Orange Sherbet, I also have a couple grafted Orange Essence  trees but Iím thinking of not planting the Orange Essence and planting some Seacrest/Tripple Sec that I just grafted instead.

Anyone thatís tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest have an opinion which is better tasting? I know tastes are subjective but I love sweet and I love the flavor of Lemon Zest.

Simon


I have tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest and have them grafted on to my trees. Very little to choose between them in terms of flavor, both are really sweet and have more than a hint of Gary flavor in them. Orange Essence is more productive, at least in my yard.
Crushed up some pea sized Coconut Cream to get a better idea of this Gary flavor. It smells like orange creamsicle, 50/50 bar.

I look forward to trying some of these when the tree is a bit larger.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DeeMango on June 04, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Just tasted a Coconut Cream Mango for the first time, purchased at Truly Tropical in a mixed bag of mangos. Was not good. Tasted coconut but no sweetness at all, almost tasted like dirty water. I let it ripen on the counter for a few days after purchasing it and seemed to be ripe. Is that the normal taste??


Not at all. A properly ripe Coconut Cream should have a coconut-pineapple flavor, very sweet, just a little creamy. I love Coconut Cream, but I'll be the first to admit they can be a little temperamental. They easily get "washed out" by too much rain; every once in a while you'll just get a bad one and early ones tend to have less flavor than those at peak season. Never judge a mango on the first try. I always try to taste something different times over different seasons from different sources.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: DeeMango on June 04, 2020, 09:44:05 AM
Has anyone else noticed how good the Sunrise are this year? I've been getting them from Stanley's Mangoes on Pine Island (Bokeelia) and they have been amazing. Super sweet with a hint of tartness, creamy with a lovely spice, and probably the juiciest mangoes I've had in ages. I mean JUICY. You could probably stick a straw in these suckers and drink them!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on June 04, 2020, 11:56:35 AM
Has anyone else noticed how good the Sunrise are this year? I've been getting them from Stanley's Mangoes on Pine Island (Bokeelia) and they have been amazing. Super sweet with a hint of tartness, creamy with a lovely spice, and probably the juiciest mangoes I've had in ages. I mean JUICY. You could probably stick a straw in these suckers and drink them!

One of my favorite  mangoes!!!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: FlMikey on June 04, 2020, 12:06:15 PM
Has anyone else noticed how good the Sunrise are this year? I've been getting them from Stanley's Mangoes on Pine Island (Bokeelia) and they have been amazing. Super sweet with a hint of tartness, creamy with a lovely spice, and probably the juiciest mangoes I've had in ages. I mean JUICY. You could probably stick a straw in these suckers and drink them!

Sunrise and Sweet Tart are my 2 favs.  I tried buying a Sunrise tree but I guess it's not propagated anymore.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Squam256 on June 04, 2020, 12:15:34 PM
Love Sunrise.

Shameless plug: We graft it on order for anyone interested In this no longer propagated tree  :D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 04, 2020, 01:42:02 PM
Love Sunrise.

Shameless plug: We graft it on order for anyone interested In this no longer propagated tree  :D

Hey Alex,

Why is sunrise not propagated anymore? Iíd be surprised if disease, the mangos Iíve seen are spotless 👀 thanks for heads up.

Joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 05, 2020, 04:11:01 AM
OK. You guys are right. I apologize.

All good man, you are very lucky to have the land from what it sounds like to plant multiple trees hope you can contribute to this thread in time when your mangos come due and further the understanding of mangos via media pictures/video and flavor descriptions it works out doubly in your favor to further improve your business by seeking continuous quality improvement/feedback and catering to the customer 👍

-joe

I completely agree. This forum has been so helpful and we can build a better database with more members contributing their experiences.

On a side note, I absolutely love Lemon Zest Mangos but I only get a mango or two every year or every other year so Iím looking for a replacement. I already have PPK and Orange Sherbet, I also have a couple grafted Orange Essence  trees but Iím thinking of not planting the Orange Essence and planting some Seacrest/Tripple Sec that I just grafted instead.

Anyone thatís tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest have an opinion which is better tasting? I know tastes are subjective but I love sweet and I love the flavor of Lemon Zest.

Simon


I have tasted both Orange Essence and Seacrest and have them grafted on to my trees. Very little to choose between them in terms of flavor, both are really sweet and have more than a hint of Gary flavor in them. Orange Essence is more productive, at least in my yard.

Thanks! I think Iíll just plant or graft both varieties.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: alangr088 on June 05, 2020, 04:18:44 PM
I ran across this page on YouTube. His videos are super funny and informative... I get a good laugh out of them. Thought I should share share. On this video he liked Kathy.

https://youtu.be/HwAOzI0EaJ8
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 05, 2020, 05:27:53 PM
I ran across this page on YouTube. His videos are super funny and informative... I get a good laugh out of them. Thought I should share share. On this video he liked Kathy.

https://youtu.be/HwAOzI0EaJ8

Thanks for sharing the video, that family has a lot of personality and I enjoyed watching their various mango videos.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 06, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
I ran across this page on YouTube. His videos are super funny and informative... I get a good laugh out of them. Thought I should share share. On this video he liked Kathy.

https://youtu.be/HwAOzI0EaJ8

Thanks for sharing the video, that family has a lot of personality and I enjoyed watching their various mango videos.

Simon
Can we be honest?  Flavor descriptions aren't the best.  Lack of fiber seems to be his biggest concern.  But if you like to watch a family lick their fingers, and someone licking a knife, these are the videos for you.  Mango review videos seem to have become a cottage industry.  (Orlando Gardener--now there's a guy with personality.  And better information as well.)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 06, 2020, 08:43:59 PM
I actually like watching his videos, he is entertaining and his kids are cute. He does seem most concerned about fiber but thatís his prerogative.

In his Sweet Tart video, he mentioned that he tasted melon which Iíve never tasted before but whom am I to tell him that his taste buds are off. 

Orlando Gardener has great videos too. Thereís a lot more people making videos now and I enjoy watching other peopleís reaction to each mango variety.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Raulglezruiz on June 06, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
I actually like watching his videos, he is entertaining and his kids are cute. He does seem most concerned about fiber but thatís his prerogative.

In his Sweet Tart video, he mentioned that he tasted melon which Iíve never tasted before but whom am I to tell him that his taste buds are off. 

Orlando Gardener has great videos too. Thereís a lot more people making videos now and I enjoy watching other peopleís reaction to each mango variety.

Simon
+1
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 07, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
I actually like watching his videos, he is entertaining and his kids are cute. He does seem most concerned about fiber but thatís his prerogative.

In his Sweet Tart video, he mentioned that he tasted melon which Iíve never tasted before but whom am I to tell him that his taste buds are off. 

Orlando Gardener has great videos too. Thereís a lot more people making videos now and I enjoy watching other peopleís reaction to each mango variety.

Simon
At least Satya, the Osho guy, gives his disclaimer so you know what he's tasting may not be truly indicative of the variety.  The problem is when someone is eating a poor specimen, and they make a blanket statement concerning the variety, like Sweet Tart tastes like melon.  Maybe he didn't say exactly that, but do you see how it might be easy to get seriously misinformed?  I guess that's why Weiss got so pissed off.

I read your comments that follow, Simon.  Fair enough.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 07, 2020, 06:36:01 PM
His videos are just posted as taste tests, he did not claim his videos to be an all encompassing, everything you need to know and more about so and so Mango. We should not immediately jump to conclusions based off one persons video. I feel we are all smart enough to know that fruit can be picked under ripe, perfectly or over ripe. There are also good and bad years such as if you compare fruit quality in years with heavy rains vs little rain.

I feel that these people going out of their way to make these videos should not have to put up a disclaimer stating all the things that could have gone wrong, we got 3 inches of rain, it was cloudy for 50 days, I didnít fertilize with potassium, I had scale, it was refrigerated, etc... but thatís just my point of view.

This guy said he recently got interested in Mangos after he tasted a Coconut Cream and it got him hooked on Mangos. I do not expect him to immediately become a mango sommelier or to even consider putting a disclaimer. He just looks super excited about Mangos and I can see he is loving those mangos, more power to him!

Simon

 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 07, 2020, 07:24:39 PM
To get things back on track for this thread, I just had one of the best Mangos in a very long time and itís not a Zill Variety. The mango was a COC/CAC mango and it was absolutely incredible! It was super sweet, fiberless and had just the right amount of acid balance. Iíve had COC\CAC Mangos before but this one was the best specimen for this variety Iíve ever had. I didnít take any pictures or get a Brix reading because Iíve had this variety many times before but I wish I did.

My daughters took one bite and Immediately wanted more. I already have a COC tree but Iím considering top working more of my trees with this variety. Itís so good, I think Iím going to top work one of Leo Manuelís huge mango trees with this variety. The sugar acid balance couldnít have been more on point.

For the SoCal mango growers, this variety is Polyembryonic so planting the seed would be a smart move. This variety has also been fairly disease resistant for me although this year, the fruit set is minimal due to the persistent rains we had this year.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 07, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
I'm glad my buddy is growing Cac!  I'm looking forward to tasting it in a year or two.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 07, 2020, 08:32:11 PM
Itís amazing! I canít believe it isnít brought up more on this forum. After tasting COC/CAC the other night, Iím considering top working my LZ tree instead of having to spray my trees with fungicides.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on June 07, 2020, 08:36:41 PM
I liked the innocent review video of this family. And i like the fact that they are beginning to love this new fruit in their life. How they make the video and what they make of the taste of the mango and how they describe the flavor is their choice. I feel like even if i taste a certain variety from 50 different sources with 50 different microclimates, my rating of the mango and my flavor description of will tell more about me, my past experiences with mangos, my taste buds/preference than about the mango itself. It is all subjective so we do not need to argue about it.

@zands - yes sir, this is a good idea, we will do a one day event soon.

I have been away from FL for work and thinking about mangoes all last week, will return and will be tasting more this coming week. Few weeks ago got chance to taste Dwarf Hawaiian from mangokothiyan and they were surprisingly sweet, spicy and rich in flavor. Have 3 DFs in different stages of ripening ready for when i get home, stay tuned guys.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 07, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Itís amazing! I canít believe it isnít brought up more on this forum. After tasting COC/CAC the other night, Iím considering top working my LZ tree instead of having to spray my trees with fungicides.

Simon

Whoa!  That good??
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on June 07, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
Itís amazing! I canít believe it isnít brought up more on this forum. After tasting COC/CAC the other night, Iím considering top working my LZ tree instead of having to spray my trees with fungicides.

Simon

Whoa!  That good??

Have heard this opinion from several people, some claim this is their top mango.  Iíll have to get my hands on some soon!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Luisport on June 08, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
I just got one Red Ivory mango! Lets see if it can stand our climate. I will plant her on a very sheltered spot...    ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yZLgvbCHzk&t=236s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yZLgvbCHzk&t=236s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utJudZ5YYa0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utJudZ5YYa0)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex34hI51Nws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex34hI51Nws)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: stephen on June 08, 2020, 11:22:36 AM
For the SoCal mango growers, this variety is Polyembryonic so planting the seed would be a smart move. This variety has also been fairly disease resistant for me although this year, the fruit set is minimal due to the persistent rains we had this year.

Simon

Awesome! Do you know where I can get a Cac seed or tree in SoCal?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 08, 2020, 01:25:47 PM
There are not too many people growing this variety in SoCal yet but Iím sure there will be many more people adding this to their list. Brad and I are planting all the seeds we have at his orchard so we donít have any to spare.

Probably the option is to plant some rootstocks and order scions from Tropical Acres.

The CAC/COC was absolutely incredible. It was just so sweet, fiberless and had the perfect acid balance. Not only that but it is the perfect eating size, roughly a pound.

I did not eat this mango side by side with a Lemon Zest but Iím sure they would have been neck and neck along with Sweet Tart in the top three. I may have CAC, Sweet Tart and Lemon Zest ripen around the same time later this year so hopefully I can do a mini taste test with these top three varieties around September or October.

I did not take a Brix reading but I have tested enough Mangos that I would guess it had a Brix of 23-28% with my guess of 25%. It wasnít just the sweetness of this mango that has me so excited, itís the overall balance of flavor. It was absolutely perfect. I canít find anything bad to say about this mango.

When I did research speaking with Florida members about this mango, some members mentioned that this variety was not precocious. They had to wait several years for this variety to mature and settle in before it produced. This may be bad in Florida but itís great for us in SoCal.

With my in ground tree, it did not flower the first 1-2 years in winter, which is odd because just about every variety of grafted mango(mature scions) flowers the first winter and every winter thereafter.

Reply #1 on this thread has a picture of a COC/CAC fruit in case anyone is wondering how it looks.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=32984.msg361029#msg361029 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=32984.msg361029#msg361029)

CAC/COC is disease resistant in my yard the last several years. Just because it is disease resistant in my yard does not mean it will be disease resistant in your yard. My yard gets covered in dew every morning so there is extremely high fungal disease pressures and this variety still sets fruit. This has been the worst year I can remember and my small tree was covered in Powdery Mildew which even caused PM damage to newly forming leaves and it is still setting some fruit although much less than in previous years.

Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on June 08, 2020, 09:46:20 PM
Just a few note to add about CAC especially for the south Florida growers.
First off special thanks to zands for introducing me to this variety. Harvested Budwood from his producing tree and top worked my 2 year old keitt around 4 years ago

Excellent flavor
Large window of great flavor - I personally like it just before it gets fully yellow (heres a tip use a vegetable peeler, just under the skin is intensely sweet and has that sweet cola indochinese flavor)
Forgiving of when to pick
Long shelf life after picked
Pretty disease resistant (even when something gets to it the rot doesn't really spread that quick)
Vigorous spreading grower.
Fruits consistently (at least on the top worked trees I've seen here)
Handles hard pruning in August really well.

For me it might not top the likes of lemon zest but its nearly bulletproof to grow and still has top notch flavor.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on June 08, 2020, 10:08:44 PM
Just a few note to add about CAC especially for the south Florida growers.
First off special thanks to zands for introducing me to this variety. Harvested Budwood from his producing tree and top worked my 2 year old keitt around 4 years ago

Excellent flavor
Large window of great flavor - I personally like it just before it gets fully yellow (heres a tip use a vegetable peeler, just under the skin is intensely sweet and has that sweet cola indochinese flavor)
Forgiving of when to pick
Long shelf life after picked
Pretty disease resistant (even when something gets to it the rot doesn't really spread that quick)
Vigorous spreading grower.
Fruits consistently (at least on the top worked trees I've seen here)
Handles hard pruning in August really well.

For me it might not top the likes of lemon zest but its nearly bulletproof to grow and still has top notch flavor.

Thanks for sharing this information. Iíve already got it on the list of scions Iím searching for, ďbulletproofĒ cements it for me!
P.S. Off topic, but also looking for Honey Kiss scions, amongst a few others, if anyone has to offer.  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on June 09, 2020, 08:18:23 PM
I wanted to get in on the fun, so Iíve decided to review todayís marvelous Carrie, from my favorite tree.  If youíre a member of the Carrie Haters Club, feel free to skip past my post.  ;)

I wonít pretend to be able to distinguish/identify piney, resin, sub-acid, etc., etc. flavors, but I know what I like. And this is one fantastic mango!
It was a bit larger than most; I did not weigh or measure it, my mango eating is not quite that sophisticated (yet). Here it is next to 2 NDM, which have also been large this year, as well as on its own.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8jN52v6J/0-E60-BCBE-BE40-4798-999-C-E6-CC3361-CF43.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jN52v6J)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3hM427Y/83-D1-A86-D-148-C-4214-A608-FA7249-D10-E36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3hM427Y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQbGJDHt/DB98-B910-99-AB-466-C-9351-9-BEFAB8-B91-D1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQbGJDHt)

It had a lovely mango aroma, and slight give when pressed.  Think I ate it at the perfect time. When I cut it open, the juice sprang forth like nectar from the gods.

(https://i.postimg.cc/s1R72vWy/5-F096167-CD47-4-A00-80-CB-B87-BE42-C91-F0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1R72vWy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FkmrQt75/87-A954-D7-745-E-4-D3-C-897-A-802-A51584953.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FkmrQt75)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7JVxHB2C/C26-BDB27-58-EA-4-E09-9-B23-7043292816-F9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7JVxHB2C)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWX93shR/EE910-BA9-E638-4403-AB74-1-B3490-A313-C0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWX93shR)

There was a significant amount of flesh around the seed, which I devoured down to the paper thin skin.  There were varying flavors throughout, each mouthful was like a decadent indulgence.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RWrBr58P/56-CED578-5-F84-4-D8-E-BE94-29-CB51-FCEA9-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWrBr58P)

All that remains.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k6NVSvSC/825-CA5-E6-C7-F6-4-F35-8-F01-C8-B72-D94-FD43.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k6NVSvSC)

This one is going in the ground.  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomandan on June 10, 2020, 09:13:47 AM
Thanks. You mentioned some qualities that are very important to me. I think I need to give Cac another taste.  8)

Just a few note to add about CAC especially for the south Florida growers.
First off special thanks to zands for introducing me to this variety. Harvested Budwood from his producing tree and top worked my 2 year old keitt around 4 years ago

Excellent flavor
Large window of great flavor - I personally like it just before it gets fully yellow (heres a tip use a vegetable peeler, just under the skin is intensely sweet and has that sweet cola indochinese flavor)
Forgiving of when to pick
Long shelf life after picked
Pretty disease resistant (even when something gets to it the rot doesn't really spread that quick)
Vigorous spreading grower.
Fruits consistently (at least on the top worked trees I've seen here)
Handles hard pruning in August really well.

For me it might not top the likes of lemon zest but its nearly bulletproof to grow and still has top notch flavor.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: roblack on June 10, 2020, 09:25:04 AM
I had a few Cac mangoes last year. They were good, but not fantastic. Definitely worth another look.

Have noticed that with several mango varieties; taste and quality can be all over the place. Can't go with just one sampling, or 2, or 3. Or even 1 season.

The lone Coco Cream (1st fruit off the tree) I had last year was amazing. 6 this year harvested, they were really good but not near last year's quality.



Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on June 10, 2020, 11:48:07 AM
If you guys are in the area in the next few weeks lmk. I can give you some to sample.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on June 10, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
If you guys are in the area in the next few weeks lmk. I can give you some to sample.

I will be in the area, would love to mooch my way into take you up on that offer.  :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Viraldonutz on June 10, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
I'm not a prolific mango taster, I've only tasted probably 20 different cultivars in my life, but I wanted to share some thoughts on a brand new mango I tried that I'd never heard of before.

Deimos, from Richard Campbell's Mangomen Homestead.

I received it in a shipped box a few weeks back, and had no idea what to expect, but I was overpowered by a delicious, sweet, citrusy... extremely BRIGHT flavor -- I don't know how else to describe it.  It was neck-and-neck with Sweet Tart for the best mango in the box.

According to Mangomen, it's a Myatrynat seedling that they're evaluating, and very excited about.  If you get a chance, I'd highly recommend you try it out, if only so I can get your (likely more-experienced) opinions on the matter.

--Jake
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Future on June 11, 2020, 08:08:29 PM
Itís amazing! I canít believe it isnít brought up more on this forum. After tasting COC/CAC the other night, Iím considering top working my LZ tree instead of having to spray my trees with fungicides.

Simon

How good is it? #11 on my all time greats list.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 15, 2020, 09:31:30 PM
Skhan was kind enough to give me some mangos to sample: Cac, Angie, and Cogshall.  Cogshall had a mild, very pleasant flavor--a classic Florida mango flavor with hints of peach.  Fiber was medium with some strings, but not a problem.  Angie was more flavorful with a greater acidic component and some resin flavor near the skin. When I had my Angie tree, I think I was waiting too long to eat them and off-flavors would kick in.  Angie is completely fiberless.

Okay.  Cac was the revelation in this group.  I found it similar to Maha Chanok but with a more complex and richer flavor and more acid balance.

Update 6/16:  I ate the other Cac mango today, which was riper.  The flesh was more orange in color, but the flavor was much milder.  Gone was any bright acidity or cola flavor.  It was hard to name what I was tasting.  Maybe a little orange or plum or melon.  I guess I need to try more of these.  The secret might be to eat them before they get too ripe.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on June 16, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
Skhan was kind enough to give me some mangos to sample: Cac, Angie, and Cogshall.  Cogshall had a mild, very pleasant flavor--a classic Florida mango flavor with hints of peach.  Fiber was medium with some strings, but not a problem.  Angie was more flavorful with a greater acidic component and some resin flavor near the skin. When I had my Angie tree, I think I was waiting too long to eat them and off-flavors would kick in.  Angie is completely fiberless.

Okay.  Cac was the revelation in this group.  I found it similar to Maha Chanok but with a more complex and richer flavor and more acid balance.

Thanks for your observations, looking forward to getting my hands on some Cac mangoes one of these days!   :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: stephen on June 18, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
I'm so confused. Is Cac mango the same as Coc variety? I tried searching but can't figure it out. :-\
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on June 18, 2020, 08:15:05 PM
Retracted
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: stephen on June 18, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
I'm so confused. Is Cac mango the same as Coc variety? I tried searching but can't figure it out. :-\

Same variety as far as I know.
Renamed to CAC for obvious reasons

What confused me was this website: https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/cac (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/cac)

It says that Cac "shouldn't be confused with 'Coc' or 'toad mango' in Vietnam, a dissimilar cultivar."
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: skhan on June 18, 2020, 08:56:04 PM
I'm so confused. Is Cac mango the same as Coc variety? I tried searching but can't figure it out. :-\

Same variety as far as I know.
Renamed to CAC for obvious reasons

What confused me was this website: https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/cac (https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/cac)

It says that Cac "shouldn't be confused with 'Coc' or 'toad mango' in Vietnam, a dissimilar cultivar."

Good find.

In that case, i retract my previous comment.

Alex would know better
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JoeP450 on June 18, 2020, 10:28:51 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/472BbpMg/D41762-A5-6-E9-B-4-AB0-AA0-A-4-A485422-A732.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/472BbpMg)

So I was actually at Excalibur earlier this week and picked up these 6 mangos labeled coc which I too though was synonymous with cac... they look like cac shape but are they cac or coc? 🤷‍♂️😂

-Joe
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoCountry on June 18, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
Appears to be
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: MangoCountry on June 18, 2020, 10:51:46 PM
Itís amazing! I canít believe it isnít brought up more on this forum. After tasting COC/CAC the other night, Iím considering top working my LZ tree instead of having to spray my trees with fungicides.

Simon
Thatís crazy my Cac tree got terrible powdery mildew in Florida
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on June 19, 2020, 12:53:18 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/472BbpMg/D41762-A5-6-E9-B-4-AB0-AA0-A-4-A485422-A732.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/472BbpMg)

So I was actually at Excalibur earlier this week and picked up these 6 mangos labeled coc which I too though was synonymous with cac... they look like cac shape but are they cac or coc? 🤷‍♂️😂

-Joe

It is Coc but I say Cac when I have other people around me :D
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: simon_grow on June 19, 2020, 09:16:56 PM
I just had a mini mango tasting with my daughters and a friend. We had NDM, COC/CAC and Sweet Tart.

We sampled the NDM first and it had a Brix reading of 18. It was good and sweet, completely fiberless but lacked complexity. My friend really enjoyed it.

We next sampled the COC/CAC. It had a brix reading of 17 and it was significantly less tasty than the previous COC/CAC I had. This one was slightly sweet, no complexity and didnít even come. Miss to the absolutely delicious one I ate just several weeks ago. At this stage, the NDM was slightly better.

The last fruit we sampled was the Sweet Tart and it had a Brix reading of 24%. It was very sweet with just the right amount acid balance and everyone liked this one the most. My friend has a large Lavern Manila tree and said it produced absolutely sweet and delicious mangos and now she wants me to top work her tree to Sweet Tart.

Thinking back and comparing that top notch COC/CAC from several weeks ago to this Sweet Tart, Sweet Tart is definitely better but that top notch COC was fantastic. These COCs were picked slightly pre-mature and it showed in the flavor. Iíve eaten these over the past several years and they are an excellent mango.

I didnít take any before pictures because of the guest but here are some aftermath pictures of the seeds

NDM
(https://i.postimg.cc/9wVDTC1S/5-E76-EF94-2275-49-AE-A92-D-22-CBD2-EC0984.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9wVDTC1S)
COC/CAC
(https://i.postimg.cc/JGrqCLmP/B8-CEC514-4-F6-A-4-AD4-A3-F6-A1-C3-C4-B1-AFDE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGrqCLmP)
Sweet Tart
(https://i.postimg.cc/MnXmXmnB/4-D89-D0-C2-8-B43-4-AD5-A782-7920-F91-D5977.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnXmXmnB)
Simon
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 20, 2020, 11:08:54 AM
Review of Carrie to come.
Title: Valencia Pride: Mango Review
Post by: palmcity on June 22, 2020, 08:42:24 PM
Valencia Pride has produced for me about the past 5 years and it was always so so in my opinion; until today...

This large fruit had gently fallen into high grass and soft sand/dirt where it proceeded to go overripe when I spotted it. I brought it inside and the bottom had become too soft, so I thought. As I cut into it it appeared like jelly seed occurring and I wondered if I should try it... I gently stuck my tongue into the soft jelly and went into pineapple ectasy with a very sweet creamy heavenly mush. The jelly material thinly surrounded the seed with a larger amount at the bottom where I began indulging. the half above the jelly area to the peeling was firm and excellent also but not quite as sweet as the jelly... I loved this mango at this overripe stage and will try to get more to this point. The jelly was sweeter than pineapple juice and creamy and better IMO.

This is one of those cases in which it often takes years and dozens of mangos to be eaten to finally make a true opinion of how well and how you would rank a mango for overall flavor compared to others... I would have never let it go this soft overripe except for luck; and I would have always thought Valencia Pride was a so so semi sweet slight pineapple tasting mango... No longer do I think this... Very good IMO if over ripened vs. other mangos...

I really wish I had waited a little longer for more ripening as I wanted more of the delicious jelly consistency which was primarily at the bottom.

You can also see the jelly going from yellow to orange. A lot of other mangos like PPK, LZ, and Tebow (young) also get sweeter when the mango changes from yellow to orange.

 

(https://i.postimg.cc/w1LLd1mj/IMG-0506.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w1LLd1mj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PPhkMcQV/IMG-0507.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPhkMcQV)

Many variables still exist and the tree is older & larger and I have noted other older trees producing much sweeter fruit as they age. But I will still try to over ripen till brown spots start forming on the skin of my Valencia Pride from the tree as I had one earlier that was eaten when just yellow and it was not as sweet.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on June 24, 2020, 09:01:12 PM
Tried ZINC, J-14, Orange Sherbet and Peach Cobbler this morning.

For those who prefer visual content, the same review but in pictures: https://youtu.be/RkBLjbwLWJc

ZINC
First time trying this. The color changed to light yellow to golden yellow over the counter, and had a sweet fruity aroma to it as it was ripening. I would hold it everyday and smell it and keep it back as it felt hard and was waiting for it to give. The pulp was creamy, not juicy or melting. Sweet but not as sweet as sweet tart i tried this year and had a good balance of sub-acid flavor. I think those who love the Indochinese flavor group of mangoes will love this mango. Comparing to Sweet tart thought did not have one for side-by-side comparison, i felt ZINC to be a milder version of sweet tart.

(https://i.postimg.cc/5X9GvpNN/IMG-9159.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5X9GvpNN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/06bBXQwT/IMG-9161.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06bBXQwT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SnZPG8JL/IMG-9170.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnZPG8JL)

J-14
I think it deceived me as i kept thinking it still looks like its just changing color from light green to pale yellow, and still hard to touch, and then some black spots on the skin started to grow bigger. Finally decided to cut and to my surprise it was orange inside. It was creamy texture and had started to go over-ripe. Flavor to me felt like a combo of Classic and Indochinese, perhaps the indochinese would have been more pronounced if it was not going over-ripe. All in all i preferred it over ZINC, as it being a seedling of ZINC. I checked the seed and it seemed to be mono-embryonic


(https://i.postimg.cc/SY7TYYBM/IMG-9164.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SY7TYYBM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zV72JWSm/IMG-9165.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zV72JWSm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jCzkFBDS/IMG-9171.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jCzkFBDS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bjgj7Z0B/IMG-9176.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Bjgj7Z0B)


Orange Sherbet
Amazed how it slowly changed from pale green to yellow to deep yellow color over a week, no skin blemishes while it ripened for a few days in garage and then over the counter top for the last 2 days. This one was as sweet, creamy and tasty as all OS i have tried before this season, so i feel it is a consistently flavorful mango. Good balance of sweetness and citrus drink flavor. The citrus flavor has a subacid component to it. I can not compare it to LemonZest, to me they are two different flavors and both are outstanding.


(https://i.postimg.cc/hzMMSRTL/IMG-9162.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzMMSRTL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ThYCthvC/IMG-9169.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ThYCthvC)

Peach Cobbler
Very deceptive indeed. I had an earlier Peach Cobbler about 2 weeks ago, that looked pale green after being over counter for a few day and was giving a lot. Cut it and it was pale yellow , unripe. This one i was doubtful too. Pale yellow with some light yellow at top, and slight giving. Cut inside and it was deep orange to my surprise. Taste was outstanding. To me the flavor was a combo of classic mango with sweet citrusy tone and a good sweetness to balance it all. I did not taste any peach flavor, earlier one i tasted had a peach after taste though.


(https://i.postimg.cc/DJDJQCTV/IMG-9166.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJDJQCTV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xXYkPJWd/IMG-9167.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXYkPJWd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/14kVfYBw/IMG-9174.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/14kVfYBw)

Out of these 4, Peach Cobbler was my tastiest, although all 4 had my different taste buds satisfied.

Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on June 29, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
CARRIE!

(https://i.postimg.cc/JtbVtDd5/20200628-105223.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JtbVtDd5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ygRqmk6B/20200628-105336.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygRqmk6B)

I was fortunate to acquire some excellent specimens of this variety from our friend zands.  Personally I find it an excellent mango.  Fiberless, sweet, and juicy.  I don't understand why some mango lovers find it objectionable.  Maybe it's a genetic thing, or something like the aversion to papaya or cilantro.  (I like them both, too!)  Zands' tree is around 12 years old with a stout trunk, but it's only maybe ten feet tall.  This is a big plus for the variety.

The flavor is rich and categorized as "Indian Alphonso."  Spicy with pleasant resin nearer to the skin, which is extremely thin.  Deep orange, very soft flesh, as you can see.  The flavor might be described as "spicy canned peaches with a little resin."  I wish I could do a side-by-side comparison with Angie, which is considered a Carrie substitute or maybe even an improvement.  I'll try to get some Angies from my old house in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: canesgirl821 on June 29, 2020, 12:51:23 PM
CARRIE!

(https://i.postimg.cc/JtbVtDd5/20200628-105223.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JtbVtDd5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ygRqmk6B/20200628-105336.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygRqmk6B)

I was fortunate to acquire some excellent specimens of this variety from our friend zands.  Personally I find it an excellent mango.  Fiberless, sweet, and juicy.  I don't understand why some mango lovers find it objectionable.  Maybe it's a genetic thing, or something like the aversion to papaya or cilantro.  (I like them both, too!)  Zands' tree is around 12 years old with a stout trunk, but it's only maybe ten feet tall.  This is a big plus for the variety.

The flavor is rich and categorized as "Indian Alphonso."  Spicy with pleasant resin nearer to the skin, which is extremely thin.  Deep orange, very soft flesh, as you can see.  The flavor might be described as "spicy canned peaches with a little resin."  I wish I could do a side-by-side comparison with Angie, which is considered a Carrie substitute or maybe even an improvement.  I'll try to get some Angies from my old house in the coming weeks.

I knew I liked you!  ;)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JulianoGS on June 29, 2020, 03:46:15 PM
CARRIE!

(https://i.postimg.cc/JtbVtDd5/20200628-105223.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JtbVtDd5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ygRqmk6B/20200628-105336.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygRqmk6B)

I was fortunate to acquire some excellent specimens of this variety from our friend zands.  Personally I find it an excellent mango.  Fiberless, sweet, and juicy.  I don't understand why some mango lovers find it objectionable.  Maybe it's a genetic thing, or something like the aversion to papaya or cilantro.  (I like them both, too!)  Zands' tree is around 12 years old with a stout trunk, but it's only maybe ten feet tall.  This is a big plus for the variety.

The flavor is rich and categorized as "Indian Alphonso."  Spicy with pleasant resin nearer to the skin, which is extremely thin.  Deep orange, very soft flesh, as you can see.  The flavor might be described as "spicy canned peaches with a little resin."  I wish I could do a side-by-side comparison with Angie, which is considered a Carrie substitute or maybe even an improvement.  I'll try to get some Angies from my old house in the coming weeks.

Gotta love carrie when picked in the right stage, that deep orange color looks delish.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on July 09, 2020, 07:31:47 AM
Just before i left for the battlefield, well itís work, but when they say we are at war with the virus, then it is like a battlefield : ) , i got opportunity to taste a few mangoes one of which was an eye opener. Only other mango able to do that to me this year was Pina Colada.

(https://i.postimg.cc/06Yz6ZP7/IMG-9412.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06Yz6ZP7)

Ripened from light green to yellow to  yellowish orange, clean fruit almost spotless, large size, what not to like. When i cut open it was a pale orange flesh with no fiber. Sorry these words donít do justice to the explosion of flavors and happiness hormone bursting inside when i took my first bit, that is captured in the video. And i wish i was a poet and could describe in beautiful words, but indeed it is a great tasting mango and it was my first time tasting it. This is Carla mango. Flesh surprisingly was crunchy and juicy at the same time. Flavor was a intensely concentrated mix of fruit drink with high sweetness to balance the subacid flavor. No coconut or spice after taste just a wow factor at each bite. Very close to the seed it had ripened more and almost become mushy and soft with dull sweet flavor. Skin is very thick, few fibers but just leathery thick skin.

Then came another mango, similar size to Carla, the Orange Essence, beautiful colors of yellow and orange, clean with no black spots. Also similarly stayed more than a week in the garage ripening. Sweet citrusy and mango ripening smell i could smell from it even before it cut it. After i cut i could see it was strangely ripening, darker orange by the skin and then pale and again dark orange around the seed. Was afraid the pale part would be subpar taste but i was surprised, citrusy delight, with good sweetness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JsJngKyS/IMG-9327.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsJngKyS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ty6wXmg1/IMG-9334.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ty6wXmg1)

The citrus flavor distinctly different from OS and LZ or LM mango but it is there a subtle nuance of the orange drink but milder version and with this good flesh seed ratio i was impressed. Flesh was similarly a bit crunchy but drier compared to Carla. Also a thick skinned mango which will travel well and ripen over many days and if it is a late season it will compete Honey Kiss for a spot if space is limited, or a cocktail tree perhaps :). HK is a completely different flavor and one of those mangoes i can eat all day and not get tired.


The whole tasting drama if you like visuals more than words is captured here : https://youtu.be/X9g6sCjekPU



Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on July 09, 2020, 09:44:42 AM

Satya,

I got an Orange  Essence mango from my tree yesterday. Outstanding mango. I have it grafted onto three trees now :) If space is limited, you might want to go with Honey Kiss. OE is medium vigor but from what I have seen, doesn't stay small. 
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on July 09, 2020, 10:07:19 AM

Satya,

I got an Orange  Essence mango from my tree yesterday. Outstanding mango. I have it grafted onto three trees now :) If space is limited, you might want to go with Honey Kiss. OE is medium vigor but from what I have seen, doesn't stay small.

Thanks. I wonder how a tree ripe OE would taste like, very impressed. I have a HK without any additional grafts on it. The OE got grafted to a Cotton Candy which i have not been impressed so far (probably i donít like a candy cotton candy flavor in general) but i wonít judge until i try it next year again.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on July 09, 2020, 10:53:39 AM

Satya,

I got an Orange  Essence mango from my tree yesterday. Outstanding mango. I have it grafted onto three trees now :) If space is limited, you might want to go with Honey Kiss. OE is medium vigor but from what I have seen, doesn't stay small.

Keep in mind when you topwork onto an established tree the growth habit if the topworked variety tends to be different (usually more vigorous) than if started from a nursery grafted tree.  For prime examples, look at the towering sizes of the Honey Kiss and Pickering at Walter Zill's.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 09, 2020, 02:57:45 PM
Carla sounds like an outstanding, top-tier mango of the super-fruity (non-Indian, non-S.E.Asian, non-citrus) flavor profile.  Tropical-farmer's is the second tasting video raving about Carla.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on July 09, 2020, 03:04:28 PM
Carla sounds like an outstanding, top-tier mango of the super-fruity (non-Indian, non-S.E.Asian, non-citrus) flavor profile.  Tropical-farmer's is the second tasting video raving about Carla.

I have Carla grafted onto my Mallika. Went purely by word of mouth. Glad I did.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangokothiyan on July 09, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

Satya,

I got an Orange  Essence mango from my tree yesterday. Outstanding mango. I have it grafted onto three trees now :) If space is limited, you might want to go with Honey Kiss. OE is medium vigor but from what I have seen, doesn't stay small.

Keep in mind when you topwork onto an established tree the growth habit if the topworked variety tends to be different (usually more vigorous) than if started from a nursery grafted tree.  For prime examples, look at the towering sizes of the Honey Kiss and Pickering at Walter Zill's.


Would a nursery grafted Orange Essence grow slow and stay small, like Honey Kiss or Pickering? Pickering seems to grow faster than HK in my yard.  Is that unusual?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on July 09, 2020, 03:21:31 PM

Satya,

I got an Orange  Essence mango from my tree yesterday. Outstanding mango. I have it grafted onto three trees now :) If space is limited, you might want to go with Honey Kiss. OE is medium vigor but from what I have seen, doesn't stay small.

Keep in mind when you topwork onto an established tree the growth habit if the topworked variety tends to be different (usually more vigorous) than if started from a nursery grafted tree.  For prime examples, look at the towering sizes of the Honey Kiss and Pickering at Walter Zill's.


Would a nursery grafted Orange Essence grow slow and stay small, like Honey Kiss or Pickering? Pickering seems to grow faster than HK in my yard.  Is that unusual?

Yes OE bought at 3g from Zillís and eventually uppotted to 7g has grown almost like a bonsai so far, thick trunk with low branching but who knows may take off and grow vigorously any day soon, but so far it is behaving like it wants to be a compact tree.
I need Carla scions now, i have a branch of Fruit Punch that can be converted. Does anyone know about the origin of the name Carla for this mango? I would have named it Sweet sensation :)
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: clllocke on July 09, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
I'm not a prolific mango taster, I've only tasted probably 20 different cultivars in my life, but I wanted to share some thoughts on a brand new mango I tried that I'd never heard of before.

Deimos, from Richard Campbell's Mangomen Homestead.

I received it in a shipped box a few weeks back, and had no idea what to expect, but I was overpowered by a delicious, sweet, citrusy... extremely BRIGHT flavor -- I don't know how else to describe it.  It was neck-and-neck with Sweet Tart for the best mango in the box.

According to Mangomen, it's a Myatrynat seedling that they're evaluating, and very excited about.  If you get a chance, I'd highly recommend you try it out, if only so I can get your (likely more-experienced) opinions on the matter.

--Jake


Mangomen deliver to California!?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on July 09, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
I'm not a prolific mango taster, I've only tasted probably 20 different cultivars in my life, but I wanted to share some thoughts on a brand new mango I tried that I'd never heard of before.

Deimos, from Richard Campbell's Mangomen Homestead.

I received it in a shipped box a few weeks back, and had no idea what to expect, but I was overpowered by a delicious, sweet, citrusy... extremely BRIGHT flavor -- I don't know how else to describe it.  It was neck-and-neck with Sweet Tart for the best mango in the box.

According to Mangomen, it's a Myatrynat seedling that they're evaluating, and very excited about.  If you get a chance, I'd highly recommend you try it out, if only so I can get your (likely more-experienced) opinions on the matter.

--Jake


Mangomen deliver to California!?
I didn't find Deimos on their Facebook.  Also, they didn't list Cecilove or Pina Colada for sale this year.  Their season has ended.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: tropical-farmer on July 18, 2020, 01:38:55 AM
Wanted to share two wonderful Indian variety mangoes i tasted this week. The first was Bombay mango, a gift from forum member FLNative and it was my first time tasting this particular variety. The other one was Sonpari, a highly recommended Indian mango variety by Har.

Bombay had intense fruity aroma, almost akin to Glenn when i first got it and our car was smelling with this aroma as we drove from Delray Beach to our home. The mango though mentioned to have issues with powdery mildew didn't seem to be affected and the fruit as well was spotless, orange blush with yellow background color.

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Inside was deep orange. The first one i had, had a uniform color , this one in picture had a deeper orange closer to seed.

This was an exceptional spicy flavor mango, and to me the taste trumped Kesar, Mallika , Suvarnarekha and Alphonso i have had so far. Closer to seed it had started to get too ripe and this tasted like a peach nectar to my wife, to me it tasted a bit medicinal in the over-ripe area. I guess it is peak flavor when not allowed to go over ripe and it can go overripe within a day after its ripe. Texture juicy and soft. No fiber except minimal close to skin. No uneven ripening. Overall extremely good tasting spicy flavor mango in my opinion.

Then next came Sonpari, again my first time tasting. It ripened over many days and turned to pale yellow color, even stayed in fridge for a few days while i returned from my out-of-state work....

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And it was very sweet, could not get the spicy flavor until i reached the skin, did i let it go too ripe? but it had no over-ripe fermented flavor, no funky taste, but very sweet filling firm creamy texture. I could not compare the two, i felt Bombay had a better balance of sweetness and spicyness and Sonpari more candy tasting with no subacid flavor.

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A video says way more than words, if you like visuals please watch the whole tasting here: https://youtu.be/wNaGkc1q3sc
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 11, 2020, 04:29:04 PM
Providence mangos that look like freakin' footballs!  Large peach in comparison.  Full review to come.  (These came from my old house.  First year the tree had fruit.  Although allegedly Providence is very susceptible to MBBS, all the fruit was disease-free, super-clean, and some of the largest mangos I've ever seen.)
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Viraldonutz on August 13, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
I'm not a prolific mango taster, I've only tasted probably 20 different cultivars in my life, but I wanted to share some thoughts on a brand new mango I tried that I'd never heard of before.

Deimos, from Richard Campbell's Mangomen Homestead.

I received it in a shipped box a few weeks back, and had no idea what to expect, but I was overpowered by a delicious, sweet, citrusy... extremely BRIGHT flavor -- I don't know how else to describe it.  It was neck-and-neck with Sweet Tart for the best mango in the box.

According to Mangomen, it's a Myatrynat seedling that they're evaluating, and very excited about.  If you get a chance, I'd highly recommend you try it out, if only so I can get your (likely more-experienced) opinions on the matter.

--Jake


Mangomen deliver to California!?
Nope, unfortunately.  I was visiting family.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 25, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
PROVIDENCE.  Classic Florida Mango flavor.  I tasted "canned fruit cocktail," in line with its Kent parentage. Much larger than Kent (Yes, that is a dinner plate!) with a stronger acidic or tart component.  Up to 3 lbs.  Fiberless except close to the very tough skin.  Resin flavor near the skin, but it wasn't piney. It reminded me of raisins or prunes.  Very juicy, and amply but not overpoweringly sweet.  The fruit was very clean with no sign of MBBS.
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tiberivs on August 25, 2020, 02:10:24 PM

One of favorite fruit.


PROVIDENCE.  Classic Florida Mango flavor.  I tasted "canned fruit cocktail," in line with its Kent parentage. Much larger than Kent (Yes, that is a dinner plate!) with a stronger acidic or tart component.  Up to 3 lbs.  Fiberless except close to the very tough skin.  Resin flavor near the skin, but it wasn't piney. It reminded me of raisins or prunes.  Very juicy, and amply but not overpoweringly sweet.  The fruit was very clean with no sign of MBBS.
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Viraldonutz on August 25, 2020, 02:48:18 PM
Not a real review, but I just wanted to say I'm absolutely LOVING the Kent and Keitt mangoes currently available at my Costco.  Box of 6 costs $6.99.  Just serves to remind me that there's no such thing as a bad mango.

Except for Tommys -- you can burn them all down to the ground.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: johnb51 on August 25, 2020, 02:56:46 PM
So you're thinking I didn't really eat these mangos, Viraldonutz?  Elaborate.  Oh wait, never mind.  You were saying that YOU are not writing a real review, just making a comment.  My old brain froze up there!

Ok, let me tell you my Providence story.  My family--parents, sister, and I--first started eating mangoes way back in the 1970's when shipping from Mexico to L.A. became popular.  Out of Kent, Haden, Keitt, Irwin, and Tommy Atkins we thought that Kent was the best.  That's how I came to have an affinity for that flavor profile.  Fast forward to 2015 when Walter Zill introduced me to Providence in Boynton Beach.  I was favorably impressed by the Kent-like flavor so I planted a tree.  This is not a precocious variety and didn't produce any fruit until this year.  I had to beg the new owners of the house I sold in March for some of these mangos to sample, and they were generous enough to give me eight gigantic fruit--Kent on steroids!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Viraldonutz on August 25, 2020, 03:15:50 PM
So you're thinking I didn't really eat these mangos, Viraldonutz?  Elaborate.  Oh wait, never mind.  You were saying that you are not writing a review, just making a comment.  My old brain froze up there!
Haha, I would never impugn your posts, John! You do a wonderful job describing each mango you review -- I feel like I'm right there with you.  Keep it up!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Tiberivs on August 26, 2020, 11:04:23 AM

Glad you were able to Atleast try the fruit sucks to leave behind a tree you saw grow and hadnít fruited and when it finally did you sold your house. My providence is on the same boat Waiting for it to fruit maybe 3 years in ground so far  and nothing.

itís and awesome fruit. It has a distinct note I always thought maybe it was the one people taste in Jakarta.
Which now  makes sense itís similar to Kent as to it seems Kent is the parent of both Jakarta and providence Atleast according to diagram Someone posted the other day. Guess I should try some Kent mangos never have.


So you're thinking I didn't really eat these mangos, Viraldonutz?  Elaborate.  Oh wait, never mind.  You were saying that YOU are not writing a real review, just making a comment.  My old brain froze up there!

Ok, let me tell you my Providence story.  My family--parents, sister, and I--first started eating mangoes way back in the 1970's when shipping from Mexico to L.A. became popular.  Out of Kent, Haden, Keitt, Irwin, and Tommy Atkins we thought that Kent was the best.  That's how I came to have an affinity for that flavor profile.  Fast forward to 2015 when Walter Zill introduced me to Providence in Boynton Beach.  I was favorably impressed by the Kent-like flavor so I planted a tree.  This is not a precocious variety and didn't produce any fruit until this year.  I had to beg the new owners of the house I sold in March for some of these mangos to sample, and they were generous enough to give me eight gigantic fruit--Kent on steroids!
Title: Re: Mango Reviews - 2020 FINALE
Post by: Satya on September 03, 2020, 09:37:27 AM
Probably the last mango tasting of this year...thanks to TonyinCC for offering to try this beautiful mango!...
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The tree was compact looking, and there were still some more mangoes hanging on the tree last days of August, so it produced all the way into September. The ones we had were picked at different dates, one 2 weeks back and was in the fridge, and another one picked a week back. The one picked 2 weeks ago with slightly wrinkled skin and deep orange inside, was sweeter with a rich spicy complex flavor. My first bite reminded of Carrie without the medicinal taste some talk about; then, as i ate further, there was deeper rich spicy taste. All in all a good tasting mango. The less ripe one, or may for some be the ideal ripe one, was less sweet with faint coconut undertone and a bit funky taste at first that would disappear as the taste opened up.
There was some fiber close to the skin. The seed was small, so good flesh amount in a small sized mango. Size wise, actually, it was not as small as Honey kiss or PiŮa colada, all the mangoes hanging on the tree were size of an average Carrie mango, and Tony said some were as big and weighed as much as 1lb.

Little Gem i tasted in June did not have this complexity in flavor compared to the one I had end of August, so definitely the flavor peaks at the end of season.

To those who prefer visual/audio tasting reviews, here is one: https://youtu.be/akpOEkOKg8o
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: mangomadness on September 03, 2020, 02:57:06 PM
Juicy Jupiter: very juicy, fiberless, orange flesh. Rich Indian flavors, very sweet, perhaps a slightly milder southern blush. All in all, a very nice fruit in appearance and taste.

Introducing, from the cosmos series of mangos:
Juicy Jupiter, Big Saturn, and Martian Pride.

Courtesy of the Campbell Boys!

Flavor Descriptions to follow.

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What a delightful post! I want to try them all, I wonder if a mango had to represent all, what would be chosen as an Earth Mango.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: JF on September 03, 2020, 06:22:02 PM
Mango season just starting in SoCal these two were pick too early sweet but not full flavor as we are use to
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Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mike T on September 25, 2020, 07:44:48 AM
Sometimes is good to talk about failures as well as success. In one trail the following varieties were trialled with a view to diversifying the Australian market around 40 years ago.
Mango varieties: Akbar, Apple, Banana I, Batawi, Betti Amba, Beverly, Blue, Boribo, Brooks Late, Bullocks Heart, Carabao Harbon, Carabao Lamao, Carabao Los Banos, Carabao Mindanao, Carabao Super Manila, Coconut, Crimson Blush, Davis-Haden, Dot, Early Gold, Edward, Elephant Tusk, Fairchild, Fajri, Fascell, Florigon, Gail, Gary, Gedong, Golden Delight, Goldsworthy, Golek, Graham, Harumanis, Hatcher, Hingurakoka-Willard, Hong Sa, Hood, Indo-Chinese, Isis, Jacquelin, Jakarta, Jewel, Joe Welch, Julie, Kalapady, Keitt, Kent, Keow Savoey, Kopu Reva, Kuru, Laskarshikhan, Lippens, Maha 65, Malgoa Ramasamy, Manalagi, Mapulehu, Momi K, Nam Dok Mai, Nimrod, Ok Rong, Olour, Ono, Pairee, Pairi, Palmer, Parri, Pico, Pirie, Pope, Rapa, Rosa, Ruby, Rupee, Sabre, Santa Alexandrina, Sensation, Southern Blush, Spirit of '76, Springfels, Sufaida, Tommy Atkins, Tong Dum, Van Dyke, Vellai Colomban, Wally, Zardalu and Zillate.were trialled.
Only a few Keitt, Kent, NDM and okrung survive these days and a few others in nurseries here and there. All were deemed inferior or not A grade export mangoes worth pursuing commercially. The KP and erivatives stranglehold remains stronger than ever and hundreds of varieties have been trialled. I wonder if the new Floridians have some that can challenge the status quo here.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: bsbullie on September 25, 2020, 08:02:54 AM
Sometimes is good to talk about failures as well as success. In one trail the following varieties were trialled with a view to diversifying the Australian market around 40 years ago.
Mango varieties: Akbar, Apple, Banana I, Batawi, Betti Amba, Beverly, Blue, Boribo, Brooks Late, Bullocks Heart, Carabao Harbon, Carabao Lamao, Carabao Los Banos, Carabao Mindanao, Carabao Super Manila, Coconut, Crimson Blush, Davis-Haden, Dot, Early Gold, Edward, Elephant Tusk, Fairchild, Fajri, Fascell, Florigon, Gail, Gary, Gedong, Golden Delight, Goldsworthy, Golek, Graham, Harumanis, Hatcher, Hingurakoka-Willard, Hong Sa, Hood, Indo-Chinese, Isis, Jacquelin, Jakarta, Jewel, Joe Welch, Julie, Kalapady, Keitt, Kent, Keow Savoey, Kopu Reva, Kuru, Laskarshikhan, Lippens, Maha 65, Malgoa Ramasamy, Manalagi, Mapulehu, Momi K, Nam Dok Mai, Nimrod, Ok Rong, Olour, Ono, Pairee, Pairi, Palmer, Parri, Pico, Pirie, Pope, Rapa, Rosa, Ruby, Rupee, Sabre, Santa Alexandrina, Sensation, Southern Blush, Spirit of '76, Springfels, Sufaida, Tommy Atkins, Tong Dum, Van Dyke, Vellai Colomban, Wally, Zardalu and Zillate.were trialled.
Only a few Keitt, Kent, NDM and okrung survive these days and a few others in nurseries here and there. All were deemed inferior or not A grade export mangoes worth pursuing commercially. The KP and erivatives stranglehold remains stronger than ever and hundreds of varieties have been trialled. I wonder if the new Floridians have some that can challenge the status quo here.

Was a requirement for survival to be having commercial potential (ie- long shelf life, shipping, etc.)?
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mike T on September 25, 2020, 08:13:53 AM
Most got knocked out due to a lack of market acceptance pretty early on and yes shelf life and presentation were amongst commercial considerations. Growers have been looking for a messiah mango for decades but it never arrived and riches promised with new types were false profits.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mike T on September 25, 2020, 08:17:11 AM
Farmers who grow Keitts, palmer, brooks tend to sell locally at low prices and NDM can be sold to southern cities for a reasonable price but its a tiny slice of the market.
Title: Re: Mango Reviews
Post by: Mike T on September 25, 2020, 08:21:38 AM
For that matter many of the locally derived types haven't faired very well. Calypso has had a lot of bad reviews so its calapso for it to some extent. Honey Gold never really took off and R2 E2 is big but nowhere near the quality of its parent KP so is a niche variety.