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Just noticed this. Really exciting and good luck!

I'm about 4 fruits in this season and they're pretty much the same as last year. Bit of fiber around the seed. The rest of the flesh isn't completely smooth, its kind of grainy. Nice flavor. Coconut or Pina Colada, but not strong on the pineapple.

The rootstock appears to be called 'Camarillo' and I think its the air-layering stock he discovered while selecting his mangos. A failed graft. Parallels with the Hass avocado.

I do have seeds now and i guess I'll plant them.

And i have started to top work. Sweet Tart so far.

Iím growing a hedge from 4 year old seedlings. Theyíre not much more than a foot tall. Some a fruiting heavily others lightly and some not at all. Iím guessing itís random or environmental and not genetic.

Picked this big boy just now. Twice the size of most I get. From a bush with not much fruit. Thinned effect I guess.

Any taste description on the papaya? Taste like papaya? Is it in the honeydew melon flavor family?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What kind of water pump should I invest in?
« on: September 18, 2020, 12:46:30 PM »
Shane, if you are really going to put in a house, you should check what the rules are for water tanks.  I think houses need 7500 gal tanks for fire fighting.  You don't want to go put in a 5000 gal tank and then have to get a bigger one later.

Good point. Looks like i need 5000 for a house < 1500sf. So i probably would need to go 7500 to guarantee 5000 for the FD. Also there are some requirements about location i wasn't aware of. Might need two tanks...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What kind of water pump should I invest in?
« on: September 18, 2020, 11:46:46 AM »
I just started planting, but my long-term goal is 2-3 acres of nut trees (chestnut, walnut, etc), 1 acre of experimental subtropicals, 2 acres of stonefruits/apples and a small greenhouse. And a small house. 10 year project, so I don't know if i build the pump for that or just to get me through the first 5 years.

I'm leaning towards 15-18 gpm right now and vacillating between a constant pressure pump and a traditional setup with a 5000g tank.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What kind of water pump should I invest in?
« on: September 16, 2020, 03:01:06 PM »
Interesting concept.  Wonder how the seals, etc. hold up over 10-20 years?

I just replaced a 15 year old Grundfos 1 HP pump which was working fine with a 3/4 HP, keeping my old one as a spare.

Mark, i'm about to install my own system. Why did you downsize on your pump?

In my yard fritillary's are only interested in 'Incense' and 'Constance Elliot'. They leave Frederick and Ligularis and a couple others i can't remember completely alone.

It fruits year round so Iíll update this winter but others have commented that it is pink and even used to be called pink by cccpp.

Red on left standard green on right. Slightly more complex flavor in the red. Smaller fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« on: September 15, 2020, 12:01:47 PM »
Hereís the fruit from Constance Elliot cross. Tasted awful but could be natural variability. Both fruits from the CE cross were smaller than the selfed.


Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Crfg pawpaw presentation
« on: September 12, 2020, 08:29:10 PM »
I liked her descriptions of the varieties especially.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Crfg pawpaw presentation
« on: September 12, 2020, 12:08:07 PM »
Apologies if this has already been posted. I just got around to watching. Excellent video.

plus a tour of my yard :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best fruit trees for privacy (10b)
« on: September 03, 2020, 12:37:12 PM »
My current favorite for hedges is chico sapote. The branches form like a candelabra and its perfect for squaring off and keeping whatever shape you want. Not a fast grower in so cal but dense enough not to see through.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« on: September 03, 2020, 12:29:36 PM »
if that was citrus, i'd guess aphids, but i've not seen that issue on passiflora.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« on: September 02, 2020, 12:05:21 PM »
Yes on Frederick pollen. Update on the fruit: I had the Frederick crossed fruit when it was still purple and there was no flesh just seeds and white cases. But it did produce seeds so the crosses work to that extent. Then I waited for the others to turn color and have 3 yellow as of a couple weeks ago. We tried one last Saturday. This was from using self pollen.

The taste was sweet and pleasant. Not much sour at all. Slightly bitter aftertaste. My wife chews the seeds and she said way crunchier than Frederick. I definitely prefer Frederick for the sweet tart mix. Iíve saved seeds and try to germinate.

Overall the pollination success was approximately
1/20 for Frederick
3/9 For Constance
2/2 for self

Hand pollination with its own pollen seems like the best option. Next year Iíll do mostly that.

Mine has flowered 3 years in a row and i only got fruit last year when i threw a bunch of rotting citrus under it to attract flies. Got lazy this year and no fruit set.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help Grafting quenepa, genip, mamoncillo
« on: August 26, 2020, 03:10:58 PM »
Old thread I know. Has anyone had any success grafting? My trees are growing like crazy and i'm thinking of trying to graft green material.

Strangely no.

The parent plant has two copies of every gene, one from grandma (call it A) and one from grandpa (call it B). Those get split up and randomly put in the gametes (ovule and pollen). Those combine to give the child plant its two copies. So it can end up with AA or AB or BB.

The reason why some plants grow true to the parent type is that they've been self crossed so many generations that they effectively all have A and there's no B. If you think about it, once a generation gets AA or BB it can't go back. That gene freezes. So even with a cross the child is AA (with a bit of variability from mutations). A lot of the fruits we work with are like that. Not only are the self crosses true, but any hybrid with a similarly pure relative (with say BB) will always produce the same plant (not as parent but same as other crosses). That's because one variety is all AA and the other is all BB, so you get 99% AB. Its when you take those AB's and self or cross them that the fireworks happen.

BUT many mango varieties will produce seedlings that are not the result of sexual reproduction but are clones of the parent tree. Or one seed will produce several shoots, one sexual and the rest clones.

With manila you probably have a lot of both, i.e. clonal shoots and even if there is a self-cross its pretty much the same because manilas have been propagated for centuries from their own seeds (clones and occasional self-crosses).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees that come back
« on: August 12, 2020, 12:36:43 AM »
I donít mind for now. More opportunities to donate trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit tasting get together san diego #2
« on: August 11, 2020, 04:50:15 PM »
Iím in!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Mulberry experiment in San Diego
« on: August 11, 2020, 04:49:13 PM »
I have ~20 mulberry seedlings from my Pakistan. Iím 95% sure they arenít from pollenization. Closest male is 2 miles away and every fruit had seeds in the top quarter of the fruit. Iím going to grow some up and see if they are clonal. Anyone want some seedlings to join in the experiment? No shipping please.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Trees that come back
« on: August 11, 2020, 04:43:31 PM »
I dug these up a couple months ago as deep as a spade would go, so about a foot deep. Neither was bigger than half an inch diameter though the roots were twice that. Both have returned quite vigorously.

Curry leaf dug up and replaced with longan. Has reappeared in four shoots.

This was a triple planted Marula  where I dug up two after approach grafting to the most vigorous. One coming back and now as tall as what I removed just a few months ago.

Do a lot of trees do this?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: pitangatuba seed 4-sale
« on: July 15, 2020, 12:45:56 PM »
have a few star cherry "pitangatuba" seeds for sale $2. ea plus shipping

How's the taste Patrick? I just dug mine up because it was flowering but never setting fruit.

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