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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Comparison of 3 top Pomegranate varieties
« on: November 28, 2020, 08:47:27 AM »

Staying with my cousin over in Marco island FL here is a pomegranate growing on the property, no idea what cultivar it is but surprised to see one none the less. Aril seeds were hard as stones but the flavor was not objectionable, fruit looks really pitted up from fungus. One thing I noticed from the parfianka pics that Simon posted vs the fl grown parfianka pic here .....Cali climate is definitely the way to go even the same cultivar looks different.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Organic Fertilizers
« on: November 27, 2020, 04:53:02 PM »
Iím definitely interested to see any studies or published data on biodynamically grown fruit and the nutrient differences, I just like to read and I appreciate data/facts. I think itís totally possible though as for example waygu beef or accorn fed pigs you get a completely different product based on the way the animal was reared and itís diet. We also know this from the documentary ďsupersize meĒ what we are fed has real effects on our health. Please share if anyone has any studies ect?



Thanks for posting these pics, I want to say my seedling is an emperor, but from what I remember of the fruit it doesnít exactly match: large fruit, light pink, big seed, elliptical shape 🤷‍♂️. One thing I know itís definitely not a sweetheart lol, those shriveled chicken tongue seeds are really difficult to germinate.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: November 24, 2020, 09:06:43 PM »
Wow Brad,

All the fruit looks amazing and what an incredible spread! Wondering about the Inca Red, where did this annona originate and itís parentage?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Polyphenol Tea
« on: November 22, 2020, 03:12:07 PM »
Hey Eric, the tea tastes ok, I donít add any sugar or lemon juice to it. Star anise reminds me somewhat of black liquorice.


Hey Galatians,

Can you post some pics of your emperor seedlingís leaves? Thanks


Guys really digging this thread, as too my lychee tree I bought it from lychee tree nursery in Stuart FL as labeled as sweetheart, they sell a nice variety of lychee trees that are in great shape. Galatians, congrats on fruiting those two trees, Iím hoping I can be so lucky with my seedling. Iím not expecting it to be a winner but there is always a slim chance it could be and I am growing from seed other types of tropical fruit for this reason. I sprout out a bunch of seeds and hang on to whatever has different leaves or growth habit to see what the fruit eventually comes out like. In the end itís the way new varieties come about, somebodyís gotta buy a few lotto tickets 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Polyphenol Tea
« on: November 21, 2020, 04:01:54 PM »
Hey Forum,

Many people grow tropical fruits for a variety of reasons and I think a common theme includes the need for nutritious food to support health and wellness. I realize that this is not directly tropical fruit related, but I still feel itís worth sharing. Recently I found this article that ranks sources of polyphenols based on content, the table in this article is very helpful What I find interesting is that the highest polyphenol rich sources are not fruits but herbs and spices! This was contrary to my thought of blueberries, blackberries red wine ect. Here is a recipe I put together based on the article that combines some polyphenol rich sources to make an herbal tea:

1 gallon water
3 star anise ďstarsĒ
2.5 oz cloves
1 cinnamon stick
Some fresh mint

Bring to a light boil for 15 minutes and done.


I agree Har and I thought by calling them sprouts it was obvious they were seedlings, no harm no foul 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How Good are Star Apples?
« on: November 09, 2020, 08:39:54 PM »
I agree with most of these assessments, but to chime in on the purple caimitos Iíve had from truly tropical: I found getting latex stuck to my lips annoying on the few times it happened but for the most part I was able to avoid that by eating more carefully, as for flavor it was mildly sweet with faint remnants of grape, even more  faint milky dairy notes,  it for most part is itís gelatinous texture that is experienced. I ended up buying a green caimito and planting out because I have heard they are better and because of the fact they are in season in FL when most other fruits are not. I didnít find the purple caimito off putting, and since I enjoy eating fruits from my yard/mini food Forrest I am attracted to and diversified fruit being ready when others arenít. Some other fruits in season during this time include reticulata and canistel, black sapote which seem to be mostly viewed as second rate by most, so gotta pick your poison 🤷‍♂️


Also I would add that I considered just driving to the beach with spade and a few 5 gallon buckets but decided against it as likely the sand at the beach probably has high salt content so if going that route Iíd have to wash out the salt of the sand and just seemed like work so bought the play sand instead at HD.


Hey guys,

One thing I noticed a while back is that Zills potting mix seemed to be mostly sand and shredded pine bark so this year I changed up my strategy and did 50-50 pine bark nuggets and sakrete play sand both from Home Depot. You find the pine bark nuggets with the mulch and the play sand where the concrete and fencing is sold. This mix is working great as it provides drainage while I suspect pine bark adds some acidity provides some substrate for mycorrhizae growth. Also to prevent over watering I simply donít even water them just leave them in partial shade of larger trees and let them do their thing.

Some pics below are sprouts from mangos I ate this 2020 season in 1 gallon pots.

O-15 next to pina colada, check out the characteristic compact growth of PC 👀

A Karen Michelle

Most of the bunch in partial shade and protected with chicken wire as rabbits in my yard love eating young mango shoots.


Hey Mike

Iím in a great spot in fl for lychee and my sweet heart tree produces nice fruit every year.

Iím also growing a seedling lychee which I acquired from my mother which I decided to plant out because I like the leaves on it. It was growing in a 5 gallon plastic kitty litter bucket and badly neglected, I would say itís about 5 years old. Itís had a rough time adjusting to the soil in its spot but recently hit it with some iron chelate and tip pruned it. My personal vendetta to fruit this, hence reading up on lychee literature.


Came across this article which is paywalled....  But mentions mostly seedling lychees in Australian breeding program flowering after three years?!?!

Find this totally wild because from what I have heard is that it takes 15-20 years for a Lychee seedling to flower 🤷‍♂️


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: November 07, 2020, 09:23:31 PM »
Came across a neat article on avocado breeding just passing along


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: October 23, 2020, 08:34:20 PM »

Hey Avocado experts, seeking some understanding:

Recently a new grocery store called sprouts opened up near me and while I was looking through the produce I noticed these avocados that seem like Hass but are massive compared to the average Hass avocados Iíve seen at every other store. I looked up the PLU code and came across this website that lists different PLUís for Hass based on size and origin. The large one in picture is 4770 mexico. So my question is, is this an actual Hass or some improved Hass cultivar? or is it a Hass but just all the bigger ones get a diff PLU based on size for selling purposes?



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overrated Tropical Fruits
« on: October 20, 2020, 02:02:06 PM »
It surprises me how many people are saying dragonfruit are no good. I had some delicious white-fleshed (red-skinned) DF this year. They get good once they sit on the vine fully red for a few weeks. Don't pick until the connection gets floppy (thanks Spaugh for that tip). Especially good chilled to nearly frozen.

A lot of people have never had a good dragonfruit.  Everyone that tries my purple fruits and S8 think they are good.  They aren't lychees but some are very good.  Many also aren't good, there's a lot of variation in DF and it seems where and how they are grown matter a lot. 

You have to take peoples opinions with a grain of salt.  Like someone in New York city saying cherimoyas are no good etc when all they tried was a junk piece of fruit from the store.

Great points. Also, letís not forget that while some fruit seems disappointing now, it just means there is room to improve upon. Take for example the mango....started out as turpentine or worse....could only suck the juice out of thanks to Zill and others we have incredible mangos with no fiber and range of flavor profiles. The real challenge is to improve upon what is 👍


Depends on the variety and how stable it is and also if it outcrossed. Kampong mauve nearly always grow true. Big eyes shows a lot of variation in seedlings and some even have a red flush. My orange sugar apple seedling volunteered for mulch patrol after its fruiting debut with small green fruit that were seedy and of poor taste.

I have seen green, "red" and "KM look-a-like" fruit from KM seedlings.

Rob, recently a good friend of mine fruited a KM tree he bought from Excalibur and the fruit was green, we decided the tree was mislabeled. Thinking more on this does Excalibur sell grafted KM trees? Because two things could of happened A) mislabeled tree B) Seed grown KM that fruited green 🤷‍♂️

I recently fruited a seedling from Fruitscapes called ďyellow ThaiĒ along with my same friend and both our fruit were green. 🤷‍♂️

From time to time mutations can happen in the the sugar apple genome ie ďseedlessĒ sugar apple, these beneficial mutations are rare, but also not all sugar apples are the same.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JFí Saramoyo seedlings
« on: October 13, 2020, 11:15:28 PM »
I have two in the ground from JF:

Piste Red

Dorado Yellow



Hereís my seedling Ivory mango, I suspect it was crossed with Valencia Pride, itís a beast next to two Hindi besenaras.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What a relief
« on: October 13, 2020, 10:38:06 PM »

Donít lose hope, stick pic is when I bought it back in April, and night pics are tonight over 9ft tall and a fruit to boot. For me the cherilata grows like a weed, glad I have two in the ground. 👍


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata Annona Harvest Bradenton, FL
« on: October 13, 2020, 10:19:25 PM »
Awesome video, this fruit looks delicious!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you grow Marang in Florida?
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:56:59 PM »
I tried marang and they died....

From my 1st hand limited experience trying to grow in Florida : pedalai > marang > pingan.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Article on Jakfruit
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:48:41 PM »
I reckon jacks are best but good crunchy low latex, low rag A graders. Chempadaks are variable and rich but definitely a winner and preferred to jacks by some. Marang is not for everyone and is thin on flesh like many other species.Some bigger sweeter types are alright bu confronting with their aroma.Of sweet dessert fruit I would rank keledang and kwai muk ahead of lakoocha and way ahead of monkey jack and a swag of other Indonesian Artocarpus. Breadfruit and breadnut are just different but very useful.

Mike curious where you would rate pedalai in the artocarpus mix if you have had it? ....I got a few jacks going including seeds from a white fleshed jackfruit, two diff types of chempedak, Kwai muk, and pedalai.


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