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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: August 16, 2019, 08:52:34 PM »
I agree - donít give up! A healthy pessimism is o k but it could still be a cross.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: August 13, 2019, 09:48:47 PM »
Way to experiment!

I was going to say the same thing :)
I think generally with seedlings itís hard to tell a lot. Especially when comparing to a mature plant.
I think all we can do is wait and see. Those fruits look good!
This is exciting indeed.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: August 12, 2019, 09:01:15 AM »
Finishing off these fruits today, I found that one of them had a faint but unmistakable floral flavor, specifically: violet.
I have encountered many subtle flavors in pawpaws like pineapple, butterscotch (distinct from caramel), cinnamon, melon, and even durian. But a floral flavor is a first for me.
The Peterson selection Tallahatchie is reported to have a floral flavor. I wonder if itís violet!
WOW! Pawpaw is soo interesting!   :P

It really is.....every fruit tastes different, it seems. Even on the same tree or the same cluster, there can be differences. I don't have a lot of experience (i.e. over many seasons) comparing specific cultivars, but i wonder even if the cultivars truly maintain their purported flavors or if pawpaws will always be pretty variable (with a basic flavor baseline of course).
God allowing, I'll be able to observe my own trees over the years and i will have an answer to this question :)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: August 11, 2019, 05:51:32 PM »
Finishing off these fruits today, I found that one of them had a faint but unmistakable floral flavor, specifically: violet.
I have encountered many subtle flavors in pawpaws like pineapple, butterscotch (distinct from caramel), cinnamon, melon, and even durian. But a floral flavor is a first for me.
The Peterson selection Tallahatchie is reported to have a floral flavor. I wonder if itís violet!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Need zone 8a fig recommendations
« on: August 08, 2019, 08:59:59 AM »
Wow, thatís huge!

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Yeah, usually rambutan here in the states aren't very good.
However, I got some pretty good ones at our Wal-Mart, of all places.

Lychees here (from international/asian markets) usually are pretty bad. Longans not so great either. I describe them sort of having a cough syrup flavor here.

Pulasan, rambutan, and longan right off the tree of course are out of this world in comparison to these store bought fruits.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget Loquat, just the beginning.
« on: August 06, 2019, 08:54:19 AM »
Nice, Joe!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: August 04, 2019, 10:07:21 PM »
First pawpaws of 2019!

Just picked today from trees in a city park. (Intentionally planted seedling trees)

Pretty early stuff.




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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: August 01, 2019, 09:59:47 AM »
Something strange is going on with my maypops this year.

Fruits are dropping about 3-4 per day, but they are dropping prematurely.

Normally by the time drug drops itís very wonderfully aromatic and soft.

This year so far 95% are firm and not fragrant or barely so.

Iím not sure whatís going on. The only thing Iíve done differently is to not prune the vines.
It was rather rainy for June/July and has since dried up a good bit.

Really frustrating!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: July 31, 2019, 12:51:31 PM »
Cool, Luis!

Interesting that they are all single fruits, none are in clusters of multiple fruits.
Did you thin the clusters?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Lac Balsam" Artificial Bark
« on: July 27, 2019, 01:08:41 PM »
Yep I didnít realize wound compound use was controversial, but I see that it is.
I talked with other long-time nurserymen that avoid it.
Makes sense that except for extreme situations, plants should be left to their own healing processes. So many times our interventions make things worse (this applies broadly to Nature!)

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visit www.yearofthedurian.com if you haven't already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / "Lac Balsam" Artificial Bark
« on: July 26, 2019, 04:53:50 PM »
A nurseryman recommended a product called Lac Balsam for treating wounds on trees.
Specifically i have some cracking bark due to sun injury, and he highly recommended this stuff.

I searched the forum and found no hits.

Anyone ever heard of or used this stuff?

https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=1381#detail

I didn't see it on Amazon - seems harder to come by.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asimina Incana (Woolly Pawpaw)
« on: July 23, 2019, 04:24:40 PM »
cool!
Have pics?
I've never seen one, I don't think. Doubt they grow this far north? Never looked into it.

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Thank you!
Yeah, I probably will give the Mariaís Joy and Shenandoah one more year at least.
I may take cuttings next winter and try to do some grafts as insurance.

Sorry to hear about the tree you received in a bag. I definitely will only buy potted trees in the future, if I ever buy more. Bare root pawpaws for me are a no-go.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: July 13, 2019, 01:00:28 PM »
Sounds like a great plan

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: July 13, 2019, 11:04:58 AM »
Very cool!
Iíd never seen a cherimoya flower before.

When was the Asimina pollen collected?

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: July 13, 2019, 09:58:57 AM »
When I first saw your garden tour I thought to myself "Wow those flowers look really similar to the ones on that weird vine I saw growing in the field. Maybe they're related." I didn't even know what a maypop was until I looked it up. It's crazy there's delicious native fruit growing in the wild that I've never heard of. I think I'll try cultivating them myself.

Pretty awesome isnít it?!?
To me, pawpaws and maypops go hand in hand - both are temperate versions of some pretty great tropical fruits.
Itís hard to find a ripe maypop in the wild, as most are eaten by critters. They have to drop on their own to be any good.
Thatís why I have them on a fence-like trellis and surround the ďdrop zoneĒ with a 2 foot fence.

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I tried some Blood Meal around a few trees and as an experiment, some chelated iron drench on a couple others.
MAYBE the blood meal treatment has resulted in a minor greening. The Iron has done nothing.

One of the trees that had shown yellowing is now looking burned - actual brown spots like someone burned it with a magnifying glass in the sun.

I am coming to the conclusion as I hypothesized in the video that the issue is UV sensitivity/too much sun.

This is surprising because the trees were anywhere from 3-5 feet tall after last year's season. According to KSU, 18 inches is the minimum height for full sun exposure, so it's mysterious why these much taller trees are showing sunscald.

I suppose it's because they have grown so fast - these are all seedlings (my grafted trees look fine) and are only in their third growing season (second one in the ground).

I have shaded these trees now and hope this helps.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: July 12, 2019, 02:57:47 PM »
First maypop of 2019 dropped today! Woohoo  ;D

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: My pawpaw trees
« on: July 11, 2019, 03:47:03 PM »
I use 50% shade cloth from greenhouse megastore.com (bulk version)
50% is the most often recommended opacity though shadier stuff can be used. After a certain opacity point the shade reduces growth.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: My pawpaw trees
« on: July 11, 2019, 03:44:13 PM »
Sweet!
I have a tree from one green world too (Tallahatchie) but itís not grown much. It looks like a timely bush,very little vertical growth. My personal grafts have done much better but are also on rootstock with 14 inch taproot versus 4 inches on the Tallahatchie.

You may just want to stay the course on the shade. If you change it now in the middle of summer,  The leaves on the trees might be slightly shocked/burned since theyíre used to the darker conditions.  As you probably know changing something quickly is usually not a good idea with plants. Maybe just leave it unless the trees start showing issues.
Next year you probably should not use shade at all since these are grafted. Technically they donít need shade even the first year in ground. However, though thru trial and error i decided I think it helps in the first year.


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: My pawpaw trees
« on: July 11, 2019, 02:40:41 PM »
The trees look quite happy, Iíd say!
Canít tell what that critter is but definitely there are a few caterpillars/worms that will munch on the leaves. Zebra swallowtail is one of the better known ones of course. Looks minor on your tree for sure. Just keep eye on it and squoosh the larvae when you see them.

Based on the appearance of the trees  I would say on the one hand you shouldnít change anything! But I do wonder about your shade cloth. What type of material is that? It looks rather thick and possibly too shady. The pictures just make it look so thick....but again, trees appear happy.

Also just curious where you bought the trees and how much theyíve grown this year so far.

Thanks for sharing!


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For cold hardy pawpaws i would look into the ripening time of different cultivars.Somme get ripe faster ,otthers take longer.
The trees might be cold hardy but with unripe fruits so chose the ones that have the shortest ripening time.

Good point, yes. Some or all of the varieties mentioned above are supposedly early. England's Nursery in Kentucky has unique varieties that claim to be very early if you check out their website. Summer Delight, for example.

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