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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 17, 2018, 11:26:09 PM »
If you like sweet + sour, then tice is fantastic. However, the tree grows lightning fast, so you need a good chunk of space for it.

If you like sugar sweet, then the australian green is keen.

Nutty. That has to be due to the cold nights there. Here it's 4 - 8 years, depending on cultivar. I can shave it down to 2 - 3 by grafting to extremely vigorous shoots of a mature tree.

no harm in growing all siblings. here in CA most mangoes will fruit in 2-4 years from seed, whether poly or mono. and in this time frame tree gets to max 5-7 feet tall and wide. if anything, you get a nice established tree to top work/graft onto.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 16, 2018, 06:37:54 PM »
Interesting. pettigrew and gary are both awesome mangoes. Zill's HPP said they were going to release creme brulee next year. I might just top work with a seedling.

E4 is Pettigrew and Gary
Coco Cream is Edward and Gary

Creme Brulee is an Edward seedling I believe.   Not sure if Gary was the pollen donor or not.  If Ibrecall, it is not a very good bearer...and I dont think anyone has budwood.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 16, 2018, 06:36:12 PM »
Ha I've been eating coco creams for years and never took the time to look at the seed. Interesting.

I got to try creme brulee. It was fantastic. The seed is very obviously polyembryonic, but does anybody have budwood?

E4 was also good, but I thought the creme brulee was better. Both seem like close relatives to the coco cream, but oddly I don't remember coco cream being polyembryonic?

Coconut Cream is polyembryonic.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Zill adventure Tuesday
« on: July 16, 2018, 05:17:46 PM »
I got to try creme brulee. It was fantastic. The seed is very obviously polyembryonic, but does anybody have budwood?

E4 was also good, but I thought the creme brulee was better. Both seem like close relatives to the coco cream, but oddly I don't remember coco cream being polyembryonic?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Site Outage
« on: July 16, 2018, 05:13:01 PM »
Thanks for the support, guys. Yah, we'll see what Patrick and Sheehan want to do, but that could work. The cost was going to be around $250 for the first year, which isn't horrible. But they also wanted $99 for the migration :-(.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Site Outage
« on: July 16, 2018, 04:39:32 PM »
A quick heads-up on the recent outage:

GoDaddy shut us down when our database surpassed 1GB, and it took several calls to support to get it restored. For the meantime, I've disabled the built-in full-text engine (which is used to make searches run more quickly), since it used nearly 600MB worth of DB space. Removing that got us back under the magical 1GB threshold. Because of this, searches will run a little more slowly than usual, and we encourage you to use the google search over the forum search.

Moving forward, we will need to eventually upgrade our hosting plan to a VPS (virtual private server), which is more expensive. But disabling the search indexing buys us time.

Yah, that's sorta like saying that salary is a poor measure of a job. Surely there are other factors that are important in a job, but salary makes or breaks the position. Would be pretty hard to find a software engineer for minimum wage (no matter how nice the perks), and on the flip side, you could probably entice quite a few individuals to do menial labor for 6 figures.

Brix is a key measure of a fruit's quality -- especially one that has been selected, such as the papaya sold at stores (which I think is Tainung). The papayas I've purchased at the store typically have brix readings higher than the ones I grow here. But "good brix" on a papaya is around 13 degrees, which would be very low for, say, a mango.

Interestingly, brix is actually quite important to fruit flavor. An otherwise great mango can taste like a vegetable if it's low on brix. And, if you read through some of the posts on this forum, you'll see threads extolling the Sugarloaf and White Jade pineapples or posters going bonkers over those large yellow dragon fruits imported from Central America -- both because they are extremely high in brix compared to other specimens.

And this is why Brix - on its own - is a terrible measure of a fruit.  I could mix granulated sugar with mud and toenail clippings, and it'd have a great brix score.  ;)

Hmm. I actually really like store papayas. What I don't like is paying for them :-). Brix on those is normally quite good. I think it's totally an acquired taste.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream mango
« on: July 14, 2018, 06:16:56 PM »
It's a great mango.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: July 13, 2018, 11:38:44 PM »
Yah. You can bruise a carrie by simply farting near it. Definitely not a shipping mango.

Dont blame the post office...Carrie should not be shipped unless maybe its picked rock hard green and sent via Fedex priority overnight delivery.

It's an acquired taste. Took me a few years of the missus encouraging me to eat them. Now I thoroughly enjoy, as long as they're sweet.

Does it cure cancer too?

I was reading that copper application once per fortnight can keep MBBS infection at bay. And I did note that I had no discernible MBBS infection until I stopped spraying. However, that event coincided with what was the rainiest May on record here -- and the rain was why I stopped spraying, as I could never find a clear day to spray :-).

So I'm not sure if I'm seeing causation or correlation. But my keitt went from squeaky clean to riddled with infection right after the non-spray / rain event. I'll have to wait til next year to examine the phenomenon further.

My guess is that we're getting to a point here in FL where mango cultivation is simply not feasible in inland areas without spraying -- much in the same way as we've adjusted to not being able to grow guava without bagging or citrus without fungicide. Alas, it's just another growing season in Florida with a slew of new pests contend with.

I saw that Walter mentioned how Guava was more resistant to MBBS than cultivar which formerly shared rootstock with it (Lemon Zest I presume?). But my Guava actually had MBBS infection, though not to the severity of what I see on my Keitt.

Could be sunburn or chafing injury. I would leave it and let it heal.

Can someone please shed a light on what's going on with this little Pickering Tree? It looks healthy until you see that part of the bark is gone —everything is dry, no gummosis or something of that nature. Have you experienced the same issue? should I keep it or get rid of it now that it's just a little over 2' tall?

Thanks for your input!!

Did you find MBBS before the rain started? All of my PPK came off clean, but harvest was finished in June.

Lemon Meringue with MBBS & Rot

The kerosene flavor is from the sap and is pretty characteristic of carrie and quite a few other mangoes (including angie). Calcareous soil would surely enhance the flavor though.

I topworked my Angie. The fruit was bad. Like kerosene. There's a lengthy discussion in another thread somewhere- the conclusion was that it is highly variable in flavor depending on soil type. I have sugar sand on central FL and others growing in sand reported bad flavors. Those getting good results were growing in the calcerous south FL soil. My fruit were also hideous never colored up properly and lots of anthracnose. Tree itself is healthy and topwork is growing well.

The nice thing about PPK, though, is that most of the fruit ripens before the onset of rains -- which is when MBBS is most prevalent.

Lemon Meringue with MBBS & Rot

I severely pruned mine, and it came back :-(. Now my other keitt has it too. You should be able to top work, as the disease is not systemic as far as I know.

I've got 2 Keitt trees with a bad case of MBBS
Just about all the fruit is split and diease ..
If I severely prune it back , taking all leaves off would this help? Or will the MBBS come back?
If I top work the tree, would this also be infected?

Plant it now. Mango trees lay down a lot of root growth over the fall, so planting now sets it up really well for next year's growing season.

PS -- Duncan is a good choice. It's an awesome mango -- both the tree and the fruit.

Carrie is a great mango. Not everyone likes it, but there are plenty out there who do. One would postulate that if it weren't so, we wouldn't see so many carrie trees sold at local nurseries (and planted in various dooryard orchards) -- since carrie mango has little else going for it other than flavor: production isn't terrific, color is really poor, a fallen carrie mango is instant garbage due to the softness of the flesh, and it's really hard to find ripening carries, since they blend in with foliage so well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: July 12, 2018, 01:27:32 PM »
For me, it's towards the lower end of Excellent. But I eat mine just a hair underripe such that the fruit retains some acidity and a bit more complexity of flavor. The "spice" note (ie, the flavor in the sap / near the skin) is nearly identical to carrie. But Angie has the advantage of firmer skin. If you let it fully ripen, it does get a bit bland. As with a lot of mangoes, it's all about stage of ripeness.

I've never tasted carrot though. That's weird.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: July 11, 2018, 10:12:54 PM »
Surprised to see Carrie in your top 5 but not Angie. They are similar in terms of flavor profile, with Angie being more firm.

Angie is a good mango as a dwarf tree but in my garden I don’t put it my Top 5 . Dot, Lemon zest, Coco cream, Carrie, Sweet tart. All of them have very strong sweetness and complex flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 5 best dwarf mango tree/fruit
« on: July 11, 2018, 04:42:52 PM »
Pickering is a good tree. Would not classify it is a true dwarf like dwarf hawaiian, julie, etc. But it is small. Flavor to me is "good" with occasional fruits ranging into the border of good / excellent on a good year. Production and disease resistance are consistently good.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Florida Mangoes for Sale
« on: July 11, 2018, 04:38:30 PM »
Sure. Starting to run low on MC, but should have enough for Sat.

Hi Jeff...I live in Plantation and was wondering if you have any more Chanok?  If so could my husband and I come by on Saturday?


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