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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID These mangoes (Pics)
« on: September 17, 2018, 05:54:43 PM »
funny. I got mislabeled budwood from Fairchild Farms (harvest moon turned out to be something different). You'd think they'd do a better job of inventorying than that.

Please ID these mangoes, I got them from USDA and buy they also mistag or get things mixed when shipping.

This was supposed to be shehintha (swe-hin-thar) but its not.


This was said to be jahangir but it's not.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« on: September 14, 2018, 05:56:31 PM »
Aha. That would be 10 feet apart in-row and 14 feet between rows. A little tight, but I guess it would work. Also assumes a perfectly square plot, and you'd lose a tree space per row (along the axis where you're staggering them). But the an acre has 43,xxx sq feet, so you have an extra 3k+ square feet, which would make up for most of the row stagger loss.

I was only able to fit about 38 trees on a 1/4 acre plot, but I used 15 foot spacing (both in row and between row).

I have 180 trees planted on roughly 1 acre. My spacing is 15ft.  1 acre = 40,000 sqft, 5 acres = 200,000 sqft, 1000 trees on 200,000 sqft = 200 sqft per tree. If entire 5 acres was used and the trees are planted in a square pattern, they could be planted 14ft apart.



Yikes!

:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« on: September 13, 2018, 09:59:20 PM »
Yikes!

:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

6ft actually!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« on: September 13, 2018, 04:33:20 PM »
:D Yep. That's why I was so excited when these new cultivars first started being released. I got coco cream and lemon zest literally the day they were released.

Gary was able to eliminate 90% of the seedlings before planting them out based on leaf smell. But he did plant out 1,000 seedlings and wait for them to fruit -- which is quite an amazing feat. I don't think anyone else in the U.S. has ever had such a huge mango improvement project. And, how did he manage to cram 1,000 trees into 5 acres? I think that translates to about 8' spacing between trees.

10,000 seedlings!  And the number of years devoted to this.  I'm absolutely amazed by the undertaking.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jumbo Sweet Tart
« on: September 13, 2018, 01:56:59 PM »
Yah, JF you should graft out a tree and eval it.

Best to evaluate the budwood grown out before concluding it is unique. ST is know to vary considerably in size. Sometimes they are fist sized, others are like small melons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Osmocote on sale (Amazon)
« on: September 13, 2018, 10:58:13 AM »
Yes, they can last for years.

What’s the shelf life on these things?  Is it good to stock up and hold it for a year or so?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Osmocote on sale (Amazon)
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:02:42 PM »
it was $15 a couple of hours ago.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What caused this Longan to die?
« on: September 12, 2018, 07:28:28 PM »
Don't think it's due to girdling roots. Girdling root would cause a tree to be weaker in a wind event, or perhaps lead to a slow decline? Going from healthy to dead is really odd.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Osmocote on sale (Amazon)
« on: September 12, 2018, 07:24:47 PM »
Use it for anything in a pot. It's awesome stuff. I used it for years when we were growing and selling trees. $15 for an 8 pound bag (with shipping!) is extremely cheap. I was paying more per pound when I was buying it in 50 pound bags at the local nursery supply and driving over there to pick it up.

But you better hurry. Amazon will kick up the price pretty quickly when a lot of people start buying.

You guys use this on your mango trees?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What caused this Longan to die?
« on: September 12, 2018, 04:48:02 PM »
Nuts! Never seen that before.

I see what looks like a graft line at the base?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gary Zill explaining his mango project...
« on: September 12, 2018, 02:55:29 PM »
That's an awesome video.

Note that he mentions the importance of calcium.

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I heard that quality issues have been a problem for longer than the past year. What I was told was that Gary hasn't been as involved with nursery op's as he used to be. I think it's a combo of that and the booming housing market + booming economy which have driven up demand.

I think the issue can be partially mitigated by going to zills in person and selecting trees vs using delivery and having them select trees at random to go on the delivery truck. I haven't been up there in probably 4 years, so I'm relying on word of mouth and pictures I see on this forum of little spindly 3 gallon trees.

During the Zill's quality heyday, a typical 3 gallon would have 6 - 7 full flushes (whether branched or unbranched is largely irrelevant -- the point being that they were well grown and ready for pot-up to 7gal), and were barely a year old from seed.

Fortunately mango trees do grow rapidly if dropped into the right environment. But there were some serious bargains back during the economic downturn -- including bearing jaboticabas for under $40 :D.

Some of the recent trees may be small since demand has been so high following Irma and they aren't staying at the nursery so long.
All of mine were reasonable size and good quality but I bought early this year and heard the demand was very strong. When I was selecting there I went for diameter over all other factors, then if some had branches reasonably high I went for them, height was my last concern. Most trees I planted got tipped the same day I planted them if they hadn't started already.

I could tell none of mine had been in pots too long, all I did was run a knife up and down down vertically and criss-cross along the bottom to find anything circling and there weren't many, only toothpick size or less.

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I haven't been to zill's in a long while, but I've heard that the quality has gone down over the past couple of years. When I was buying from them, a typical 3 gallon tree wouid stand 5+ feet from the ground with a trunk diameter thicker than my thumb. Recently, the trees I've been seeing from them have been much smaller. One of my friends who is in the nursery business and retails their trees has told me that they should remove the "High Performance Plants" from their name :-).

I bought 50 Zill mangoes direct earlier this year and agree about their soil mix but also could tell that there is a big difference between trees direct from Zills and trees which have been crowded up at some nursery and forced to run upwards losing leaf and getting tall thin and spindly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop SOS
« on: September 10, 2018, 07:30:23 PM »
Do they move? Mine are stationary galls.

Probably iron and manganese deficient?

My 2 "miami" soursops have the same issue. In my case, it's benign.

It does look like it's lacking in nutrition. Leaves are chlorotic.

Jeff, if you expand those photos, it looks like some sort of aphid-like critter in the center of that white "cocoon" like crap, whatever it is.  Do you agree?  I have a 4K screen, so maybe it takes the higher resolution to see it??

And it is definitely lacking something nutritionally.  Maybe low iron? 

Can you take a more closeup photo of a few of those things?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop SOS
« on: September 10, 2018, 04:24:06 PM »
My 2 "miami" soursops have the same issue. In my case, it's benign.

It does look like it's lacking in nutrition. Leaves are chlorotic.

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Mangoes aren't overly picky with regard to potting soil. Your vigoro mix is probably fine.

Best mix would have a lot of sand in it. Mangoes love sand. Zills HPP uses sand + sawdust.

Peat plus perlite and pine bark fines works.

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Hmm. I've noted in my area that trees growing near the canal do the worst. They normally start off really nicely, then about 2 years in start to decline. Sometimes pruning trees can cause a decline too, as it removes the nutrients stored in leaves.

The youngest leaves look like they have a potential nitrogen deficiency.

My knee-jerk reaction to that would be to do 2 things:

 - Give it a high quality slow release fertilizer with micros, possibly with nitrogen
 - Hit it with copper on a regular basis. In my yard, I found that Cu was lacking, especially along the canal. After a couple of years worth of 75% copper (the highest concentration I could find), the trees bounced back nicely.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Venus tree flowering
« on: September 07, 2018, 02:30:17 PM »
Nuts. My venus still has a few mangoes hanging on it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is all citrus extinct in palm beach county?
« on: September 07, 2018, 10:46:06 AM »
Not bad. Didn't realize that one was registered for fruit trees.

This is what I buy and is enough to provide protection for an entire field of citrus for a year or so and it's "dirt cheap".  The U.S. vineyard industry has been saved from the deadly Pierce's Disease thanks to imidacloprid.  Can only speak for Texas where PD is no longer a threat.  I apply 2 drenches to my vineyard every year to take care of the host, sharpshooters.  https://www.amazon.com/contains-Imidacloprid-Termiticide-Insecticide-ingredient/dp/B011S22ANI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536328918&sr=8-1&keywords=adonis+wsp

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona Scions
« on: September 06, 2018, 10:39:12 PM »
My knee jerk reaction would be to store in fridge, but not sure if that would fiddle with dormancy pattern?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - flower to ripe fruit time?
« on: September 06, 2018, 02:34:47 PM »
I'm not familiar with your soil, but most of us here in Southeast Florida (Broward and Dade) have sufficient calcium. My case is a bit special, as my soil is not the native soil.

Deep sand can present an issue. Remember that feeder roots typically stay in the top soil. The anchor roots venture down deep. If you're having issues with jelly seed or low brix, then low calcium can be the culprit.

Also, note that nitrogen increases the need for Ca, and other cations, such as K and Mg, can compete for available Ca. So, what was previously sufficient calcium can be insufficient when K is introduced. I found this out the hard way when an application of sul-po-mag caused a break out of jelly seed one year. Nutrient levels cannot really be judged in isolation. Ratios between them is very important.

Jeff, thank you for that well written and thorough response. 

I'm actually getting ready to do my fall potassium feeding anyway, so I'll do that, as well as a foliar, might as well do an iron drench also I guess.

While I've got you, can you please expand on your gypsum application statement you made a while back on mangoes?  About 3' down on parts of my property I have a very gypsum-like layer, I assume it's similar to your calcareous rock layer, but I can bust thru it fairly easily.  I assume it's calcium carbonate??  Can that be used instead of gypsum?

I was just very surprised that these trees need gypsum, seeing how we have so much calcium already in our soil, or so I thought anyway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop - flower to ripe fruit time?
« on: September 06, 2018, 12:25:33 AM »
Sounds too young to set fruit. Keep it well fed with potassium to help with winter cold resistance. Anecdotally, I noticed mine fared a lot better when fed up on K before winter.

Sometimes soursops can take a couple of years worth of flowering before they finally set fruit. Per Har's guidance, I've found that Zinc and Boron help with fruit set (via foliar sprays). Also per Har's guidance, allowing the scale and other insects to munch on my tree actually increased fruit set (I think they are responsible for pollination). So, resist the temptation to make it look pretty by treating it with insecticide. They also like to be watered regularly.

Oddly, my two "miami" grafted soursops have been shy bearers, but a random seedling from a neighbor often produces dozens of fruit per year, even though all trees are roughly the same size and enjoy the same treatment regimen.

You can hand pollinate, which for me results in gigantic and perfectly shaped fruit.

And yah, I think fruit setting now is at risk of hanging over the winter.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID wrong cultivar?
« on: September 05, 2018, 09:02:43 PM »
Keitt.

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ha! Heat tolerance in socal? You guys are wussies!

Its banned in sarasota county FL.

Its imported from asia with no regulation so tainted stuff comes in or people add crap to it and they sell it in pot shops and people get sick.  Then the nee jerk reaction is ban it.

I highly doubt anyone that is growing their own has had issues.  Apparwntly you just vomit if you take too much.  Making it really difficult to over do it. 

A few leaves and you can really get good energy and heat tolerance for working outside in the sun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia deliciosa problem
« on: September 05, 2018, 03:55:59 PM »
Don't cut it. It looks like it still has good attachment.

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