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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My review of nurseries I have visited.
« on: August 04, 2020, 08:43:32 AM »
@Bovine421 Lucas has a pretty good selection of fruit trees with some oddballs no one else carries in stock but their prices are astronomical. Their flowering plants are much more decently priced and they have an amazing selection of those so the place isn't not worth going to. In fact if I was traveling to Central Florida to look at nurseries then I would for sure make it a stop just to wander around. I was there this past weekend actually and picked up a couple odds and ends and came to the conclusion they should pay me since I spend half my time helping confused people since the actual staff is overwhelmed or are just there to help old people load heavy trees on carts. They really make their money off of their lucrative landscaping/care contracts and I know they used to have a multi-million dollar deal with the University of Central Florida so I assume they have the super high prices on trees because they don't care if their stuff is ridiculously over priced, its just a bonus for them.

Nicks-(open by appt only) is hit or miss on prices. I think most of his stuff is over(maybe not Lucas over but over priced) but some of his stuff is amazing. I wont buy bananas from anyone else, but come to his fruit tree prices and you are bordering on Top Tropical's prices. He is a knowledgeable person and if he has a nursery that gets opened up for wandering I will probably check it out and will likely impulse buy trees I don't need since he does have some stuff I haven't seen elsewhere. Given benefit of the doubt based purely on the bananas(which he delivered during the height of the shut down) I imagine the other trees he sells are pretty good sized and might actually be worth what he is selling. I would rather give my money to a small nursery that needs the income than a multi-million dollar corporation.

@JohnB- Wait, Bob died? My coworkers and I were wondering when he was going to reopen and never has. He was a great guy and always called me Dave(my name is Mike) and we would have long conversations about various trees, he joked about selling me the place a couple years ago. Further, that's a major blow to fruit tree growers in the area seeing as now we really don't have a source for decently priced trees, some of my friends out in my neighborhood would spend literally thousands on trees because he would make really good deals if you were friends with him and/or bought in bulk. There's Nicks and Lucas but both are fairly or extremely overpriced(Lucas). I wonder if the nursery center down the street is going to start carrying fruit trees now, they had a friendly agreement with Bob to not step on each others toes when it came to inventory.

Barbados die too easily to the cold. I have one in a big pot.
I have a macadamia but I don't think it likes my irrigation water. Barely stayed alive for the last few years but now that my irrigation pump has died and its getting lots of rain water it is putting up a bunch of new growth. Also makes no sense because my irrigation is a shallow well and you would thing once the roots got to the water table it would have issues regardless. I might try another though just to see.

Due to this just not being the right environment for them, I am going to pull three of my front yard pomegranates that are scrubby and never fruiting after 6+ years. Waiting til fall for heat reasons.
So what I am looking for:
- is something that grows well here in full sun.
- is bushy, not scrubby, part of the purpose is to disrupt the view of the house from the road.
- produces fruit.
- Prefer something that stays green all year. 
- Things I don't want. Citrus, loquats(I already have 6), pecans(already have three), Avocado(already have 4) Star Fruit( do not do well in this area of the yard), Peaches, plums, apples, mangoes(already have 6 or 7), figs(nematode issues).
-Something with nice flowers is a plus since this is relatively close to the street.
-In FL 9B where we occasionally get a decent frost.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wonderful pomegranate FL
« on: July 23, 2020, 08:06:21 AM »
I am in 9B east of Orlando. I have 2 Wonderfuls, a red Silk, and a Russian something or other. The oldest wonderful is a cone shaped bush about 8 feet tall, been in the ground for maybe 8 years, its much smaller brother has been there for 6 years. I think I have had one flower on the wonderful in all this time despite it looking great. The other two are also much smaller and not near as vigorous growers as the big Wonderful. They usually have a flower each a year, theres one on one of them as we speak. Since they are alive, I am very hard headed about removing them especially since they are maintenance free. I don't know what I would replace them with anyway. Tunisian Olives maybe? Full sun, no overhead cover, right in the front visible to the street.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: DURIAN
« on: June 29, 2020, 09:30:07 AM »
Same problem with Rambutan. But by all means, go for it and see if you can make it work. You might end up with some freak tree that likes the conditions enough to fruit. Was it mangostein that was said nobody could fruit in FL until it finally happened?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Central Florida Mango Trees
« on: June 18, 2020, 06:34:33 PM »
There are alot of big trees in Orlando. My biggest is about 8 feet tall but very bushy thanks to that freeze a couple years back. It is definitely doable.

I have mine in the ground and has been for about 7 years. It still is only about 4 feet tall but  has been fruiting the last two years. I keep it more as an oddity and don't protect it in my zone of 9b and winters that have affected my more sensitive trees like mangos haven't bothered it. I think it prefers more shade than I am giving it though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Reviving an old Avocado Orchard
« on: June 09, 2020, 08:50:06 AM »
You have the roots firmly in place and well established. Cut off what is dead and there should be a spurt of growth. My only experience is deer mauling my trees and it coming back much stronger than before but the same should apply. Hell, just try it on one for now and see what happens. If you get a good regimen of water and fertilizer you might be able to bring it back. Plus you can graft on new cultivars pretty easily on the new growth.

Lambs and sheep? Lambchops are delicious. Let them deliver the free food to wander around on your land. One set of lambchops and they wont come back.
Why cant you build a fence? I know its a cost and a lot of work, but whats preventing you?

Or buy the land and not worry about it? Did the neighbor notice?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit thieves rant
« on: June 01, 2020, 08:59:52 AM »
We have a lot of palmetto in my area and in my yard there are some large patches and my hedgerow from the road is 4-8 feet tall of saw palmetto. We get the berry thieves who come through in their cars and climb around in the patches to steal the berries. Sometimes they don't just take the berries, but see other trees with fruit and take them too. When I was deployed one of these guys picked all the citrus from one of my trees in addition to the berries, and then walked up to the front door with a bag of fruit in one hand and a machete in the other and asked my sick wife if she minded if he took them. She was scared to death and called the police who as typical took almost an hour to show up thanks to the piece of manure sheriff(now mayor) who felt saving money for his campaign was more important than putting deputies in the field.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hearty tropicals
« on: May 22, 2020, 08:46:33 AM »
If we get a cold winter like we did a couple years back, your dream Annona isn't going to make it without a source of heat. All my annonas bar the mountain Annona died. The mountain I thought died too and I pulled it and planted something else. Came back from deployment and apparently they have the ability to come back from just a section of root and I now have two trees in that spot.

I am also in east Orange county. In the city you guys stay a bit warmer than us so you might be ok.

No avocado on your list? If you can grow mango, you can grow avocado, especially if you don't have a deer issue.
I second the peach idea.
Figs, if you are on native soil, don't grow them in the ground.
My longon never grew, I think we were two cold.
Wax Jambu- I have had fruit on mine. I have it right up against a woods line and don't protect it during the winter.
Ice Cream Bean- grows great here and makes for a great chop and drop tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest
« on: May 22, 2020, 08:36:29 AM »
How do you know a lemon zest is ripe? I have several large green ones on my tree here in east orange county.

With John there, whats your climate like? I never really put the Ukraine down as a warm climate but if you guys have warm type citrus and not just Satsuma and red grapefruit you should be ok, probably better since you probably don't have the wilt disease that's here in FL. From experience, Brogdon is a tough fast grower. If you have deer or deer-like varmints running around you will likely need to fence them off because deer absolutely LOVE avocado trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees that thrive in small spaces
« on: May 14, 2020, 08:15:38 AM »
I would say papaya too provided you aren't worried about neighbors snagging the fruit. It will help add a more tropical look to your yard as well.

Figs in large parts of FL have issues due to the soil harboring a very virulent species of nematode. Even resistant varieties will fail. There are ways around this like planting in a 5 gallon bucket with the bottom cut out so its below the 12 or so inches the nematodes live in. Not sure if that applies to far south FL, but certainly in most of Central.

Carambola gets big and bushy and again, if you don't mind people snagging the fruit, it would work too I think.

Wow, Daintree, you win the forum for the week. That's extremely impressive, I cant get about half of those to even grow and I am in Florida three and a half zones higher.

Or you can just use that Hydrangea acidifier they sell at HD. Worked great for me on mine. I need to pick up some more for this year.

This season I am taking a go at coffee. I am planning on growing them (trying to get hold of robusta and liberica seedlings, already have arabica) in my young camellia garden which is in the shade under several oaks and pines.

When someone says full shade does that mean dark like a garage  or simply an area with zero direct sun? The area I am doing all of this in is as said directly under a large oak canopy with morning and mid day sun having to get through several pines and the area really only gets direct late(4 or 5pm+) afternoon sun for a short time. Will this be suitable for coffee or should I move it to the back side of a different oak where it gets more of what I consider dappled?


Only a couple have this.

Question are big veins on the outer skin of a mango normal for Sweet tarts. No pics but basically big veins like on a body builders arms, no discoloration or anything else. I am used to seeing smooth skinned mangos and this is my first real large number of mangos I have gotten.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: April 20, 2020, 09:31:34 AM »
Many of us have been hunting these bush/trees for years, if Walmart had true specimens of this online someone would have posted it awhile ago. There are none currently listed on the website to even check and see if its the real thing or. Aside from rare fruit nurseries here and there that sell them for stupidly high prices, no seedlings have made it to the States for commercial sale. I think there have been a few individuals who have bulk ordered seeds and gotten one or two to actually sprout but you rarely hear from them again on the subject since they literally are growing a gold mine.

Never understood why we don't  have these prolific trees here like any other fruiting tree. We can find durian and they are nasty as hell with a super limited range. Hell, I can jump on ebay and find rambutan and they don't even grow them outdoors in FL. But something like the M. Rubra that should have no issues pretty much anywhere in FL, isn't available.

Pete Kanaris over at green dreams nursery had some yesterday when I looked

What about mimosa?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: COLD HARDY LYCHEES & LONGANS
« on: April 16, 2020, 02:57:44 PM »
Have always heard the opposite and in my experience longans are far more sensitive than lychees. I am in 9B and longans are borderline trees. Mine stayed alive but barely grew while my lychees do really well.

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