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When its finally cool enough to go outside without drinking a liter of water every hour which it still isn't and due to an A-hole move on my neighbors part and putting up an unsightly fence which adds to my projects I have lots to do.

1. Clear saw palmetto patches in three different areas.
2. Bring in a butt load of mulch to put along the unsightly a-hole fence
3. Plant low growing trees along the fence line to try and block the view of it. Thinking bottlebrush, olive, loquats with some smaller bushes and such. if it was a privacy fence I would add blue berry and cool stuff like that but the 4 foot tall fence he is building isn't going to stop or deter deer.
4. Plant warm weather tolerant rhododendrons and azaleas around one of the oaks that currently has palm under it.
5. at least 5 trees need replacing
6. repair the irrigation system
7. Repair and improve the shooting range
8.  up pot many odds and ends

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More cold-tolerant lychee
« on: October 21, 2020, 08:51:31 AM »
Lychee do fine in prolonged upper 30s and even the occasional dip into the low 30s and light frost. I have had longans conk out on me in those temps but not lychee, thus I have always been confused when people say lychee cant tolerate cold weather when they are more tolerant than mango.

that said I have major doubts about a lychee that can survive in the teens, that's too drastic from standard lychees. But then again we have Yuzu lemons which laugh in the face of low teens so there are oddballs out there that break the mold.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat Gold Nugget in Florida
« on: October 13, 2020, 01:12:00 PM »
I have one in my yard. It has flowers on it right now for the first time in the three years I have had it. Like most loquats its extremely slow growing

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID?
« on: October 06, 2020, 04:30:01 PM »
He was Mexican trying to explain to me in partial English. He said they were ripe about the size of a fist and next to no seeds. We are at the mid point of my roof project so I will ask him after the inspectors approve the project and they come to finish it. Ill see if I can get a better description. I remember reading something about a small mango from Cuba or PR as well. Ill go hunt through some descriptions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango ID?
« on: October 05, 2020, 09:04:03 AM »
I was talking to a contractor who was replacing my roof. He was telling me about a mango he had down in Kissimmee. He said the fruit was very small, very sweet but also had a really small seed. He said the owner called it a pineapple something. To complicate things his English wasn't too great.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical cherry fruit?
« on: September 03, 2020, 09:49:05 AM »
I would add Cherry of Rio Grand as well as the Barbados and Surinam. But as others have said, these are common name cherries and in no relation at all to Prunus species. Out of them Barbados is my favorite and very tasty and very prolific with multiple blooms a year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My mango amateur diary!
« on: September 03, 2020, 08:18:34 AM »
How interesting. Will you guys get enough sun where you are? UK means a lot of things, You could be in London, Bermuda, the Falklands...

None, I want mine as bushy and thick as possible to protect from the cold come February. Plus Ill never have my completely shading canopy to reduce lawn mowing if I trim them back. :P

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Erinose Mite ,Homestead
« on: August 14, 2020, 09:16:42 AM »
I didn't know they were lychees that far south, low chill varieties? I wonder if these things are immune to Spinosad systematic treatments? I use Adonis every few months on mine since scales love lychee for some reason.

No description of what we should be looking for in an infected tree?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My review of nurseries I have visited.
« on: August 04, 2020, 08:43:32 AM »
@Bovine421 Lucas has a pretty good selection of fruit trees with some oddballs no one else carries in stock but their prices are astronomical. Their flowering plants are much more decently priced and they have an amazing selection of those so the place isn't not worth going to. In fact if I was traveling to Central Florida to look at nurseries then I would for sure make it a stop just to wander around. I was there this past weekend actually and picked up a couple odds and ends and came to the conclusion they should pay me since I spend half my time helping confused people since the actual staff is overwhelmed or are just there to help old people load heavy trees on carts. They really make their money off of their lucrative landscaping/care contracts and I know they used to have a multi-million dollar deal with the University of Central Florida so I assume they have the super high prices on trees because they don't care if their stuff is ridiculously over priced, its just a bonus for them.

Nicks-(open by appt only) is hit or miss on prices. I think most of his stuff is over(maybe not Lucas over but over priced) but some of his stuff is amazing. I wont buy bananas from anyone else, but come to his fruit tree prices and you are bordering on Top Tropical's prices. He is a knowledgeable person and if he has a nursery that gets opened up for wandering I will probably check it out and will likely impulse buy trees I don't need since he does have some stuff I haven't seen elsewhere. Given benefit of the doubt based purely on the bananas(which he delivered during the height of the shut down) I imagine the other trees he sells are pretty good sized and might actually be worth what he is selling. I would rather give my money to a small nursery that needs the income than a multi-million dollar corporation.

@JohnB- Wait, Bob died? My coworkers and I were wondering when he was going to reopen and never has. He was a great guy and always called me Dave(my name is Mike) and we would have long conversations about various trees, he joked about selling me the place a couple years ago. Further, that's a major blow to fruit tree growers in the area seeing as now we really don't have a source for decently priced trees, some of my friends out in my neighborhood would spend literally thousands on trees because he would make really good deals if you were friends with him and/or bought in bulk. There's Nicks and Lucas but both are fairly or extremely overpriced(Lucas). I wonder if the nursery center down the street is going to start carrying fruit trees now, they had a friendly agreement with Bob to not step on each others toes when it came to inventory.

Barbados die too easily to the cold. I have one in a big pot.
I have a macadamia but I don't think it likes my irrigation water. Barely stayed alive for the last few years but now that my irrigation pump has died and its getting lots of rain water it is putting up a bunch of new growth. Also makes no sense because my irrigation is a shallow well and you would thing once the roots got to the water table it would have issues regardless. I might try another though just to see.

Due to this just not being the right environment for them, I am going to pull three of my front yard pomegranates that are scrubby and never fruiting after 6+ years. Waiting til fall for heat reasons.
So what I am looking for:
- is something that grows well here in full sun.
- is bushy, not scrubby, part of the purpose is to disrupt the view of the house from the road.
- produces fruit.
- Prefer something that stays green all year. 
- Things I don't want. Citrus, loquats(I already have 6), pecans(already have three), Avocado(already have 4) Star Fruit( do not do well in this area of the yard), Peaches, plums, apples, mangoes(already have 6 or 7), figs(nematode issues).
-Something with nice flowers is a plus since this is relatively close to the street.
-In FL 9B where we occasionally get a decent frost.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wonderful pomegranate FL
« on: July 23, 2020, 08:06:21 AM »
I am in 9B east of Orlando. I have 2 Wonderfuls, a red Silk, and a Russian something or other. The oldest wonderful is a cone shaped bush about 8 feet tall, been in the ground for maybe 8 years, its much smaller brother has been there for 6 years. I think I have had one flower on the wonderful in all this time despite it looking great. The other two are also much smaller and not near as vigorous growers as the big Wonderful. They usually have a flower each a year, theres one on one of them as we speak. Since they are alive, I am very hard headed about removing them especially since they are maintenance free. I don't know what I would replace them with anyway. Tunisian Olives maybe? Full sun, no overhead cover, right in the front visible to the street.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: DURIAN
« on: June 29, 2020, 09:30:07 AM »
Same problem with Rambutan. But by all means, go for it and see if you can make it work. You might end up with some freak tree that likes the conditions enough to fruit. Was it mangostein that was said nobody could fruit in FL until it finally happened?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Central Florida Mango Trees
« on: June 18, 2020, 06:34:33 PM »
There are alot of big trees in Orlando. My biggest is about 8 feet tall but very bushy thanks to that freeze a couple years back. It is definitely doable.

I have mine in the ground and has been for about 7 years. It still is only about 4 feet tall but  has been fruiting the last two years. I keep it more as an oddity and don't protect it in my zone of 9b and winters that have affected my more sensitive trees like mangos haven't bothered it. I think it prefers more shade than I am giving it though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Reviving an old Avocado Orchard
« on: June 09, 2020, 08:50:06 AM »
You have the roots firmly in place and well established. Cut off what is dead and there should be a spurt of growth. My only experience is deer mauling my trees and it coming back much stronger than before but the same should apply. Hell, just try it on one for now and see what happens. If you get a good regimen of water and fertilizer you might be able to bring it back. Plus you can graft on new cultivars pretty easily on the new growth.

Lambs and sheep? Lambchops are delicious. Let them deliver the free food to wander around on your land. One set of lambchops and they wont come back.
Why cant you build a fence? I know its a cost and a lot of work, but whats preventing you?

Or buy the land and not worry about it? Did the neighbor notice?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit thieves rant
« on: June 01, 2020, 08:59:52 AM »
We have a lot of palmetto in my area and in my yard there are some large patches and my hedgerow from the road is 4-8 feet tall of saw palmetto. We get the berry thieves who come through in their cars and climb around in the patches to steal the berries. Sometimes they don't just take the berries, but see other trees with fruit and take them too. When I was deployed one of these guys picked all the citrus from one of my trees in addition to the berries, and then walked up to the front door with a bag of fruit in one hand and a machete in the other and asked my sick wife if she minded if he took them. She was scared to death and called the police who as typical took almost an hour to show up thanks to the piece of manure sheriff(now mayor) who felt saving money for his campaign was more important than putting deputies in the field.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hearty tropicals
« on: May 22, 2020, 08:46:33 AM »
If we get a cold winter like we did a couple years back, your dream Annona isn't going to make it without a source of heat. All my annonas bar the mountain Annona died. The mountain I thought died too and I pulled it and planted something else. Came back from deployment and apparently they have the ability to come back from just a section of root and I now have two trees in that spot.

I am also in east Orange county. In the city you guys stay a bit warmer than us so you might be ok.

No avocado on your list? If you can grow mango, you can grow avocado, especially if you don't have a deer issue.
I second the peach idea.
Figs, if you are on native soil, don't grow them in the ground.
My longon never grew, I think we were two cold.
Wax Jambu- I have had fruit on mine. I have it right up against a woods line and don't protect it during the winter.
Ice Cream Bean- grows great here and makes for a great chop and drop tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest
« on: May 22, 2020, 08:36:29 AM »
How do you know a lemon zest is ripe? I have several large green ones on my tree here in east orange county.

With John there, whats your climate like? I never really put the Ukraine down as a warm climate but if you guys have warm type citrus and not just Satsuma and red grapefruit you should be ok, probably better since you probably don't have the wilt disease that's here in FL. From experience, Brogdon is a tough fast grower. If you have deer or deer-like varmints running around you will likely need to fence them off because deer absolutely LOVE avocado trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees that thrive in small spaces
« on: May 14, 2020, 08:15:38 AM »
I would say papaya too provided you aren't worried about neighbors snagging the fruit. It will help add a more tropical look to your yard as well.

Figs in large parts of FL have issues due to the soil harboring a very virulent species of nematode. Even resistant varieties will fail. There are ways around this like planting in a 5 gallon bucket with the bottom cut out so its below the 12 or so inches the nematodes live in. Not sure if that applies to far south FL, but certainly in most of Central.

Carambola gets big and bushy and again, if you don't mind people snagging the fruit, it would work too I think.

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