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Ooh, neat! Hopefully I'll be sampling loquats soon then. A lot of mango trees do still appear to be flowering. I guess I'll get a picture sometime to be sure. Are your mango trees flowering early because of the mild winter?

Some. In Palm Beach county the temperatures werent as cool in December, so a lower percentage are flowering. It will take some more cold weather to trigger the rest.

The tree in your photos is a loquat, not a mango.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« on: January 13, 2019, 09:33:21 PM »
Was a recording made of this talk?


Not that Iím aware of.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« on: January 10, 2019, 12:34:18 PM »
Looks like ZHPP has an active facebook presence finally.

Funny thing is -- I actually prefer the gritty saps to the creamy ones. But no one propagates the gritty ones, so they only come from seedlings.

Excalibur has done some I think. Like Brown Sugar and Prolific

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« on: January 10, 2019, 12:19:28 PM »
Damn! I just noticed this!
   I wish you had posted earlier. I missed the boat.
   What's the furthest north on Florida's gulf coast where sapodillas can be successfully grown?
   I'm in South Sarasota County and my attempt failed years ago and I've been afraid to try again. I know these trees do well on Pine Island, but that's its own microclimate.

If you can protect them the first few years while theyíre establishing, you should be fine. Seen people growing them as far north as Tampa and Orlando. They have better cold hardiness than mango once they get some size to them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« on: January 10, 2019, 12:17:20 PM »
Great talk Alex! This is the new variety/varieties I was talking about. The picture is different than the Thomas you showed.

Iím not sure what that enlongated one is, iíll have to ask about them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Sapodilla talk tonight, Sarasota/Venice
« on: January 09, 2019, 09:51:19 AM »
For anyone in the Sarasota/Venice area who might be interested, Iíll be giving a talk about Sapodilla to the Suncoast Rare fruit and vegetable Club in Nokomis tonight starting around 7:00. Iíll also field mango related questions at the end if people want to ask.
The address is:
Nokomis Community Center
234 Nippino Trail East, Nokomis, FL 34275

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: MorBloom on mangos
« on: January 06, 2019, 07:15:23 PM »
The trees are flowering in response to cold/dry weather in your area during December.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New growth on Pickering mango
« on: January 03, 2019, 11:58:50 PM »
Mixed vegetative/floral shoots. Very common when the cold stimulus was insufficient to trigger a complete floral response in the buds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf
« on: January 02, 2019, 11:13:20 AM »
Most of our Mangos are pushing flowers even the Sugar Loaf. Though at 1ft tall it might be a bit too small. I was surprised with the efficacy of various drenches these young trees got and even though I could clearly see copper was sprayed at zills, the rhizosphere was soon colonized by arbuscular mychorizal fungi as shown in the photo.

And manzate

Thanks Alex! Anything I can do to remedy or help the situation?
Can't wait to drive down and visit you guys once season is in full swing  ;D

Horticultural oils usualy eliminate those types of pest relatively quickly. However, there is some tiny ant species which also appears to feed on the leaves (not tending aphids or anything.....actually feeding on the leaves) and oil sprays seem to be ineffective against these.

Pickering pushed some new growth but leaves look deformed. Any ideas on the cause?

Mite/sucking insect damage; very typical for this time of year. In fact Iíd go so far as to say itís unusual to see in-afflicted growth at this point.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: December 25, 2018, 11:57:00 AM »
3 dozen mango trees and only one has flowers: my least favorite, the lancetilla.

What happened to south florida winters? It used to be that Nov 1 was the start of cool, open the windows and shut off the a/c weather.

Iíve been doing a review of our average recorded temperatures for the last several winters, and youíd be amazed how many days weíve been above historical average. And not just a minor amount.....lots of days in the double digits above average. We used to get reliably cool weather in the month of December that would trigger fairly full blooms, and now we get this piecemeal garbage that results in multiple/delayed flowerings that extend the spraying cycle and reduce yields on a lot of varieties.

If this proves to be a long-term trend, the landscape of where mangos are ďidealĒ in Florida May be changing a bit.

Hopefully we can get *something* in January because December is shot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: December 24, 2018, 10:29:00 AM »


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: December 20, 2018, 04:28:58 PM »
I cut open this Maha Chanok grown in Leo Manuelís yard the other day. It has a beautiful color and shape. I put it into the fridge when it was firm ripe and it is probably the best tasting SoCal grown Maha Chanok Iíve ever eaten, I donít consider Maha in my top tier of Mangos.

This fruit still did not make it into top tier status but it was really good. It had a Brix of 19% and was firm with a nice orangish yellow color. I decided to post in this thread because it is in quite a few members top list. It was sweet with slight mango resin taste near the skin. I would have liked more of this resin taste throughout the flesh of this fruit but it was not there.

A good, well rounded mango but the flavor is not explosive like some of the Zill varieties.


Ya. Still a Good mango, perhaps great in the B.Z. Era (before Zill). But Now just an also-ran. Mango snobs pass on it. Mostly just newbies and East Asians that request it based on prior reputation.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: December 20, 2018, 04:09:14 PM »
Some More emerging bloom on San Felipe, Kensington Pride, and Julie.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: December 17, 2018, 03:35:41 PM »
As of yesterday (12/16), 10 of the first 16 days of December had temperatures above historical average. Despite a few days with cooler temps, the conditions just havenít yet been conducive to significant bloom.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Mango season (Florida) flower stimuli
« on: December 17, 2018, 02:48:32 PM »
Significant bloom on:
Edward (multiple trees)
Rosigold (5 trees, 6th with swelling buds)
Rosa , full bloom on multiple trees
Dwarf Hawaiian - majority bloom on multiple trees
Jean Ellen

Some random bloom on:
Super Julie
Nam Doc Mai Sia Tong
Ah Ping
Nam tam Teem

Otherwise everything else is still dormant as expected.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: You can all thank me for today's rain.
« on: December 15, 2018, 03:52:36 PM »
Just donít spray anything ever again because I can go without it raining ever.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID please ?
« on: December 14, 2018, 09:09:02 PM »
Left one looks like Pina Colada and right Orange Sherbert.

Air layering mango tends to be highly cultivar-dependent (some varieties donít air layer well at all) and studies have shown they often grow poorly. From what Iíve personally observed, a lot of ameteur attempts have a low rate of take. Cynthetic auxins seem to help.

I suspect the vast majority of the Mango trees sold at fruitscapes are grafted rather than air-layered.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf
« on: December 09, 2018, 06:01:01 PM »
Does Sugarloaf Mango have any coconut flavor in it?

Yes, particularly on the riper side.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:47:33 AM »
I wonder if it's bacterial black spot resistant
The disease is going to cover the whole area and wipe out everything from my experience.. if not resistant

I speculate that itís going to be resistant based on it being an Edward seedling and observed resistance by Edward progeny (Angie, Harvest Moon, Seacrest, Duncan, and Coconut Cream). However It is also worth noting that these all likely contained genes from the Julian or Philippine lines (Duncan). Sugarloafís paternal parent may be Pettigrew (whose own level of resistance is unclear).

But we wonít know for sure until more of the Sugarloaf trees fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First flowers on a mango, Woo Hoo!
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:43:39 AM »
Also, PlantOGram describes the tree as a semi-dwarf, is that statement accurate? or again, are they referring to a different mango variety?

I donít know if what theyíre selling is Walter Zillís ĎGuavaí, but if it is then I would say ďNoĒ.

Weíre growing Harumanis but not Mahathir.

We donít sell Harumanis trees but do sell the budwood from about April to September if you wanted to graft it yourself.

Sounds good. How much for the budwood? Also does the fruit rank highly grown in Florida?

$4 per scion.

Harumanis is an average quality mango compared to a lot of what weíre growing now. Itís mostly requested only by Indonesians. Weíre undecided as to whether weíll continue growing it in the long run.

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