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Citrus General Discussion / Re: How long does citrus budwood last?
« on: April 11, 2018, 11:53:36 AM »
I store in damp paper towels/zip lock and check for moldy towel every few weeks.

I grafted varieties of mandarin 8 buds on single trunk on my planted tree, facing different direction and heights, 3 inches apart. what you think are chances of take? Do you do bud grafting? I want to hear more about bud grafting.

They may take but will they force. the top bud may suppress the lower buds.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: How long does citrus budwood last?
« on: April 07, 2018, 01:01:36 AM »
At least a month if wrapped in damp paper towels and store in the refrigerator and likely a couple months.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: first Indio Mandarinquat
« on: March 25, 2018, 05:16:26 PM »
Someone else commented that they had been growing kumquats and a mandarinquat outside in the ground in Seattle for a 3 years.
"Hybridizing cold hardy citrus to grow in the Pacific Northwest", Matt Hedlund, forum, beginning of 2018

Please provide link. I'm from Missouri. I think unprotected kumquats and mandarinquats wouldn't survive the prolonged freezes
in the Pacific NW.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picture request
« on: March 14, 2018, 10:23:57 PM »
I have some 10 xie shan on FD 4 years old. Some are already 5 feet tall.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Planting citrus in a bath tub.
« on: March 07, 2018, 01:31:44 PM »
Raised bed.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Maturity for the best quailty of fruit
« on: March 03, 2018, 08:29:30 PM »
A question I have is what needs to mature for a citrus tree to produce good tasting fruit? is it the root system that needs to develop to the point it supplies the tree with all the necessary nutrients for good fruit or is it the scion growth that needs to mature?
For instance, could you graft on to an older existing tree with a new scion variety and get pretty good fruit in a couple of years?

Fruit quality is an issue in my experience only with mandarins in general and satsuma in particular. I've never had issues with
round oranges or grapefruit even in potted trees only a few feet tall.

I have an in ground Valentine pummelo.  It is a great tree.

How would you describe the taste of the Valentine? Is it acidic at all?

What would compliment my oroblanco better? Valentine or cocktail? Or should I plant those two and forget the oroblanco?

Oroblanco and cocktail are both white.

I have several remaining Flying Dragon rootstocks left, like to graft several varieties like Pomelo or mandarins onto them, will that work?


Don't you bank your trees with dirt for freeze protection?

In the US, I don't think there's a seeded kishu. In China, I've eaten kishu-like mandarins with seeds. That's just the normal one they sell everywhere.

There is a seeded kishu in Texas that used to be grown by citrus enthusiasts.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seeds- True to Parent?
« on: February 28, 2018, 11:04:02 PM »
Yes they are but why bother when you can get a grafted tree? I pulled up
my seedling when I could get the budwood.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« on: February 28, 2018, 11:01:55 PM »
What is the coldest temperature in Montgomery? Satsuma is pretty hardy to 18F.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan Satsuma Trees
« on: February 28, 2018, 01:48:35 PM »
Any satsuma is a PITA wait until they start making good fruit. I'd agree 10 years minimum for any satsuma variety in my actual experience. Best fruit I ever tasted
was on a 25+ year old owari tree planted in 1989 grown in sandy soil. I took buds from those trees and grew my own and got lousy, puffy, fruit for 5+ years.

"Too much N has been suggested but I don't believe I did that." I doubt that as well.

By former adviser to Alabama satsuma growers now at Texas A&M:

How to set lots of blooms for citrus fruit quality and thin skinned satsumas
Fertilize with Nitrogen according to tree age and crop load.
Fertilize early, well in advance of blooming
Protect foliage from winter damage to avoid leaf drop.
Prevent injury to foliage by Red Mites,etc.
Water trees diligently from budbreak through early fruit drop.
Citrus are evergreen plants & relatively heavy nutrient consumers.
Nitrogen is main element of concern.
Applied annually
Split applications most efficient
Slow-release may be effective in some sites.
Soil & Leaf testing identifies need of other elements.
Collect current-season spring flush leaves in August for leaf analysis
Without testing, use complete fertilizer with minor nutrients
Nitrogen is key
For trees 7+ years old and healthy
Apply 1.0 to 1.5 pounds actual Nitrogen per tree per year
Divide into 2 or 3 doses
60%, 20%, 20%
Valentines Day
Motherís Day
Fatherís Day
In years with poor April Bloom or poor May fruit retention, skip applications 2 & 3.
Use granular fertilizer (no spikes). Broadcast under tree canopy. Water in with sprinklers or rainfall.

Summary of presentation:

satsuma tree must set a heavy crop of fruit for good quality
fertilize heavily according to the slide,1
5 year old tree 5-8 lbs 13-13-13 per year
fertilize 60% before bloom, water heavily
20% mothers day, 20% fathers day.

Satsuma fruit quality:

Only ones to have a few seeds are moro and valencia. Some valencias are seedless like midnight.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advice Please
« on: February 24, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »
No, most will fall off by themselves. Wait until the few fruit are as
big as a nickel. Then pull them off as there will be very few of them.

" seedless Kishu, golden nugget, and satsuma. "

The answer is no, these are always seedless.  However some seedy mandarins like clementine
can be seedless if planted in a large block with no other citrus nearby.

Mr. Texas I believe your south Texas location is to warm for the fruit to turn red.

Blood oranges turn red here. Some years more than others. Smith blood and
bream tarocco were very red this year. In warm years they just get streaks of red. They don't ever turn purple like they do in California.
Here in the Houston area, I am not in what Texans call "South" Texas.
That would be the Valley around Brownsville. We are sometimes called SE Texas.
The raspberry tangors would be red if they had another month of hang time.
Believe it or not blood oranges will redden up if left in the refrigerator!

The Houston area is the perfect place to grow satsuma as it requires some cold weather for best quality. Satsuma
doesn't do very good in South Texas.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Satsuma
« on: February 17, 2018, 10:06:21 AM »
Pruning is not necessary for citrus like for stone fruits. Prune if you must but you will lose fruit.
Loss of leaves likely due to freeze damage. All my in ground non-satsuma citrus lost leaves but not as bad as
last year.

Years ago an enthusiast in Houston crossed umatilla satsuma(mono nuclear) with moro
blood orange and called it raspberry tangor. The fruit is very late like umatilla and gets red like a blood orange. I got
some fruit from a mature tree this week and most were not red yet.

Forgot to mention, the fruit never gets sweet. So I made marmalade with the fruit. It wasn't
red either.

My New Zealand Lemonade (NZL) tree has produce a nice crop of fruit.  This year I let the fruit remain on the tree until they were fully mature and very yellow.  The mature fruit was about the size of an Eureka lemon.  Yesterday I picked a couple fruit for taste testing.  Unfortunately the fruit did not taste like lemonade, but rather had a washed out lemon taste to it.  I would not say they tasted unpleasant, but rather bland.  The sour aspect was much less than that of a lemon.  In the past, I remember eating the fruit while it was still green, much the way one eats a lime, but don't remember much about the exact taste, other than I liked it.  The tree has a ton of flowers on it, so new fruit should be coming soon.  I plan on tasting the new crop at various intervals trying to determine when the fruit should be picked. Anyone else with a NZL tree have comments concerning picking time?

Same experience near Houston. Tried them around Thanksgiving and they were very nice. Panzarella grafted to grapefruit
and the fruit is large and watery. I put mine in the ground this year. Rats got the fruit expect for a few.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 04, 2018, 07:14:07 PM »
You can also dry over night and store in the refrigerator in a zip lock bag. Why grow a seedling
when you can get a plant from Florida?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 02, 2018, 10:58:05 PM »
Plant immediately

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