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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cultivar list
« on: July 14, 2018, 10:50:27 AM »
It tends to be too sweet and not tart enough, and is sometimes dry and puffy.  I prefer Tango

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cultivar list
« on: July 13, 2018, 11:09:26 PM »
You have a lot of mandarins (I think) that I don't know anything about.  I'd suggest a Nordman Seedless Kumqut if you like kumquats.  Seedlessness is really convenient. 

I have gotten fruit from most of my trees but not all.  Here are the ones I'm keeping for as long as I have space:

Moro blood orange
Tarocco blood orange
Sanguinelli blood orange
Bearss lime
Fukushu kumquat
Nordman seedless Nagami kumquat
Minneola tangelo
Nagami kumquat
Buddhas hand citron
Variegated Pink lemon
Owari satsuma
Marumi kumquat
Red clementine seedling
Xie Shan mandarin
Valentine pummelo
Flame grapefruit
White grapefruit
Kishu mandarin
Vaniglia sanuingo orange
Meiwa kumquat
Green Fingerlime
Red lime
Dekopan mandarin
Tango mandarin
Cara cara orange

And these are the ones that will be the first to go when I need to make room.  Either because I don't like the fruit or I have better alternatives.

Golden nugget mandarin
Tahoe gold mandarin
Key lime
Giant key lime
Meyer lemon
Centennial variegated kumquat
Nippon orangequat
Indio mandarinquat
Chandler pummelo
Rangpur lime

I'm actually going to have to pare down to only a dozen in-ground citrus trees over time in my greenhouse, plus a few smaller ones in containers.  Tough choices ahead.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie shan
« on: July 11, 2018, 08:09:31 PM »
Harris Citrus is carrying Xie Shan again, if anybody is still looking for it.\

Citrus General Discussion / Re: in-ground in-greenhouse
« on: July 10, 2018, 09:07:18 PM »
An excellent problem to have!  I just got some popsicle maker molds.  I'm going to try making popsicles from excess citrus juice

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pictures from middle Georgia
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:28:59 PM »
really nice looking trees!

And I like your winter heating solution.

Citrus General Discussion / in-ground in-greenhouse
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:27:29 PM »
Today I planted my first tree directly into the dirt floor of my greenhouse.  This is a variegated minneola tangelo from Harris Citrus.  I chose this one because I have two of them the same size, and I believe they are grafted onto flying dragon rootstock.   Previously it was in a small rootmaker-roll pot.   I sprayed the roots with a hose to get off most of the container soil and after planting backfilled with only the same soil I dug from the hole, no amendments.  If this tree does well I will plant most of my trees into the dirt.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus in bloom
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:31:13 AM »
All of my kumquats are blooming now.  Next year should be a nice crop.

I've always heard the reason being that the relatively small plant isn't absorbing the majority of the moisture retained by the soil, so it stagnates.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Red lime?
« on: May 20, 2018, 09:07:29 AM »
Sounds like that is excalibur.   

To tell the difference between rangpur and excalibur red lime, the excalibur leaves are more pointed and thin like other kumquat trees, while the rangpur has more round like a lime or mandarin leaf.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Red lime?
« on: May 19, 2018, 06:51:36 PM »
Millet, that is the lime I'm referring to as excalibur red lime.  I wasn't able to find it anywhere when I was looking a year or two ago.   Thanks for finding a source, others may be interested.  I am hoping to graft a few copies of mine.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Red lime?
« on: May 19, 2018, 01:51:43 PM »
I have both rangpur and Excalibur red lime (thanks to Lorewren).  Rangpur isn't very good.  It has a unique spicy taste but I don't like it much.  The Excalibur red lime appears to be a cross between the rangpur and some kind of kumquat.  The rind is sweet and edible, dark orange, and when left on the tree for a while he whole fruit becomes quite sweet.  I eat them out of hand.  There is a slight but distinct spicy "rangpur" taste.

I have grown a few dozen FD seeds and I can confirm roughly 50% come true and it is rather easy to tell when they are still very young which are FD.   I had heard from others that >90% come true but my experience says otherwise

Citrus General Discussion / fully soaking containers when watering
« on: May 07, 2018, 11:41:43 AM »
Yesterday I repotted a few trees that I have in rootmaker roll containers.   I noticed a few had large dry sections, especially close to the bottom.   It appears when I am watering the water is channelling straight through and some parts aren't wetting.  This is the first time I've seen this, and I expect it is because my trees are in a greenhouse now while previously they were exposed to rainfall.   I don't have the patience to slowly water nearly fifty container trees, so I am looking into an automatic drip system.  I soaked the affected trees in a large bucket of water for some time to get them back to normal.

One thing I haven't checked is how the few trees I have in solid plastic (non-rootmaker) containers fared.  It's possible this problem is exacerbated by the rootmaker's many side holes.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget Mandarin Problems
« on: May 07, 2018, 10:08:44 AM »
My experience buying gold nugget mandarins at the grocery store has been similar... often they are dried out and have puffy skin.   I try to buy ones that seem less puffy.

I have a golden nugget tree but haven't gotten fruit yet, so I can't comment on that part.

Thanks, but I'm specifically looking for flying dragon because of their clay soil tolerance and dwarfing

starling1 on this forum seems to have extensive knowledge of fingerlimes.  Maybe you'll hear from them here.

Here's a previous post with relevant information:

I have a green and a red fingerlime but I've only had one fruit (green) and it was underdeveloped.  The pulp did pop, and was the same size and consistency of sushi-roll roe (caviar) with a lime taste.  I'm looking forward to trying some properly developed fruits.

I believe starling1 mentioned that the common green and red varieties are poor, and only certain cultivars are worthwhile - ones I've never seen available in the US. 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advantages Of Micro-budding Citrus
« on: May 02, 2018, 01:38:47 PM »
found the technique here:

Basically, the technique involves germinating rootstock seeds in test tubes, then decapitating them at a couple of months of age to insert a tiny bud into a small, vertical incision into the decapitated stem. Within another couple of months, the newly budded plant will have achieved typical liner size for transplanting into the field or into a container to be grown on to acceptable size for ultimate use

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advantages Of Micro-budding Citrus
« on: May 02, 2018, 01:34:33 PM »
I don't understand what their actual claim is.  It sounds like they are simply claiming to be able to bud-graft onto smaller-than-usual rootstock?  2mm diameter rootstock sounds difficult to work with for t-budding, but I'm not an experienced grafter.
"The Micro-budding process begins with rootstock, a small plant with approximately two-millimeter diameter stem germinated from a seed in a controlled environment," Skaria explained. "Buds from desirable mother trees are then hand-grafted onto the rootstock, using proprietary technologies. In less than six weeks, the buds have sprouted and are ready to be planted in the field."

As far as I can tell the claim for denser plantings is simply based on the trees costing less, rather than a difference in growth.

Ah, yes... I found another article that has more explanation.  That's exactly what it is:
“The whole idea is to create a system that reduces costs to a point where you can plant more trees and get higher returns, especially in the first 10 years of the grove’s life,” says Skaria. “Research has proven that if you plant more trees, you will get higher returns. Now, we have a system that makes it affordable to plant more citrus trees, resulting from drastically reduced tree and planting costs.”

Skaria refers to his program as a “bailout” for Florida citrus that is bending under the weight of greening. Micro-budding is based on a modified cleft graft. This is generally difficult to do on young tissue, but a Texas nursery has developed a system to make citrus trees on a commercial scale.

more on cleft grafting:
Skaria doesn't explain what his proprietary technique is, but I guess that what keeps it proprietary.   Still manual, it says

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Want to buy flying dragon fruit/seeds
« on: April 30, 2018, 12:20:44 PM »
Still looking

Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Marumi kumquat tastes so good.
« on: April 28, 2018, 08:52:47 PM »
That's a really nice looking tree.  I've had some really excellent Marumi crops, too.   If you like these try Fukushu/Changshou kumquat and Meiwa kumquat.   Both are sweeter than Nagami.  Fukushu is my favorite citrus.

Ah yes I forgot about Red Lime.  Skin is definitely sweet.  I eat them fresh

My Nippon Orangequat produces fruit as large as a mandarin.  It isn't very good, though.  I have most kumquats and hybrids and my experience is that while the skin is edible on the hybrids it isn't actually sweet like "true" kumquats such as nagami, marumi, fukushu, meiwa. 

I would love a kumquat-grapefruit hybrid.   Even better if more seedless kumquats were available. You

I have a bunch of bushy trees and have been thinking along the same lines.  What I've decided to do for mine is to wait until they are thriving and then start pruning off the lower branches.   It may be more energy-efficient to pinch of undesireable growth early, but I'm personally hesistant to remove any scion growth at all from trees that are recovering from damage.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: My yard: Work in Progress
« on: April 24, 2018, 10:19:21 AM »
I was warned that animals will eat all the berries I've planted, but I am mostly doing this as an experiment to see if I can get any fruit to grow in the woods.   If the berry plants fruit I may try netting them to save the harvest.   For now I am just watching to see how they grow.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: My yard: Work in Progress
« on: April 23, 2018, 02:21:06 PM »
Looks very nice.  I have an in-ground orchard with cherries, stone fruit, & apples that have been quite productive, and this year I've just tried placing some goji berries, currants, gooseberries, and elderberries in the woodsy area in my back yard.   I'm hoping they can tolerate the part shade from nearby trees.

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