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Got a tiny yard with only small trees, but if I've needed to cut any sizable limbs, I use an oscillating tool.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: September 20, 2020, 01:28:45 AM »
Questions about when to call it quits on a graft...

1) So the successful grafts have shown callus formation pretty quickly.  In some attempts, I am not seeing any visible callus, even though the scion can remain green for a long while.  Should I just try to re-graft those after some X weeks, or is the scion going to be too spent anyways?  In some that I have broken open, I can see there is no real connection inside, so just trying to see if I can catch them early enough to retry.

2) Some grafts show callus, but then at some point the callus either stops expanding or starts drying out.  Not sure which happened by the time I unwrapped to take a peek.  Scions are still green or greenish, but not very healthy looking.  In one case, a bud had pushed, but stalled.  Are these grafts failures or doomed to fail, and/or can these scions be re-grafted?

I had never noticed a fritillary when we only had a purple (from HD, not sure of the variety). Now that we have a yellow, there always seem to be a couple in the garden.  I would pick them off when the vines were smaller, but I'm not sure how much of dent they make now that the vines are large enough. I'll still pick off large ones within easy reach.  I had also bought the BT but the vines are so vigorous I just never got around to it.  I am about to bust it out on my younger citrus bushes though, as those seem to be swallowtail magnets, and definitely can't outpace the buggers.

Great site!  You should have a tabular listing of the varieties.  I much prefer going through your first post on this thread vs clicking through the individual varieties on the site.  Just planted out some seedlings, but hopefully it won't be too long until I can try grafting from your impressive collection. We have a champagne tree that my daughter enjoys, but I'm planning to remove it for other purposes, after I can graft it onto the new seedlings.

I've never seen drywood termites in wood mulch, although I did find them inside a dying mango tree a while back, and we get them all over the homes here, but I just found subterranean termites in my wood mulch in one part of my yard.  Still trying to figure out what to do about them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tiny white bugs in mulch
« on: July 23, 2020, 01:33:48 AM »
Picked up a dropped avocado today and found some buggers crawling over some bruises.  Checked the mulch and found a bunch of these tiny white bugs that I haven't seen before.  Too small for my eyes, so I had to video them so I can zoom in on the monitor.  Look like termites, but the ones that regularly swarm here are much bigger of course, and I've encountered bigger non-flyers on other occasions in dead trunks and scrap wood.  Just never seen such tiny ones before.  In the vid, a local black ant enters the frame for a bit, to give it some scale, and the ant is probably like 1/8" or so.  This year, I tried some wood chip mulch since I don't see the Earthgro bark mulch in the box stores anymore around here  >:(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: July 22, 2020, 08:10:52 PM »
GTK, thanks again Har!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: July 22, 2020, 07:46:07 PM »
Thanks for the all the inputs!  I never considered the potential for accumulations in choosing a location.  I was just picking the lowest location that allowed me relatively free access without restricting myself with other branches, etc.  The ultimate goal being that I would be able to cut off all the other branches if the graft was successful.  In the last case, I actually started a bit further out, but I obviously couldn't shove a cube into the circle hole, so I ended up cutting back the branch further (twice) than I started (bad initial planning there).  I have other current attempts that are way further out, pretty much at the tips, so stay tuned for the next episodes of how not to graft.

The moisture question does bring up another question about when to unwrap.  I actually rewrapped the last graft after satisfying my curiosity on how the union was looking, for fear of the union prematurely drying out (if that is even something to worry about), but should I actually let it air out at this point, instead of possibly festering something, especially since there are definitely gaps in the current union?

And the wedge length question seems to be a good one.  I definitely would prefer the strength of a longer wedge.  I'm definitely going to do other more proper grafts if I can pull scions off this stub next year.  The ~1" length seems to have been what I reflexively went with most other attempts (given the approximately pencil diameter stuff).  I didn't really reason about it, other than when trying to shape a straight wedge, that's kinda how it ended up.  However, thinking about it, although a longer wedge could give more chances at cambium contact, it seems it could also give more chances where it wouldn't contact, and just more surface area to heal over or possibly get infected.  Seems like one might want to minimize the length without sacrificing structural strength.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: July 21, 2020, 04:12:42 PM »
On to another graft attempt.  This was a terminal for a FL stick that just hadn't done much over 3 years.  Coincidentally, or not, after pruning the terminal, the next 2 lower buds immediately flushed, so thankfully that worked out as I had hoped/imagined it would.  Also, the graft took pretty quick, with a second bud starting to push:

The thing is the scion was just the tip, and it was pretty thick, so I couldn't find a big enough spot to veneer it.  Anyways, I'm now worried about the structural integrity of my hack

Looking at it now, I might have tried to shave off the 2 bottom buds and try to chip/veneer those separately, and then maybe I could have clefted the stub.  Not sure.  But for now, am anxious about the graft and whether I should brace it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: July 21, 2020, 04:08:36 PM »
To try to catch up...

Only 2 of the grafts had survived over the winter.  However, something around here seems to have a liking to Peach Cobbler, as it chewed through most of the scion, through the parafilm.  Didn't leave any buds, so the base eventually died off.  I did not snap a pic, due to the disturbing nature of the crime scene.  Another mango tree has suffered a lot of bark chewing as well previously, so I wasn't really surprised, but now have to wonder if I need to cage new grafts.

The other remaining graft tried to bloom, but it was clearly not healthy:

The callus area had cracking

One day, it went completely missing.  Found it on the floor, so presumably a bird or squirrel had broken it off.  Looking at the end, only the very tip had any remaining live tissue left, and it had rotted through much of the interior.  Curious if that meant that I didn't cut deep enough on the rootstock at the top to get a full connection?

Tried re-grafting it but that didn't make it.

mbmango: 0, Mother F*#$&* Nature: 10

Thanks Har!  Very much appreciated!

Latest flush was very chlorotic, although it has greened up a little

However, seeing yellowing in the previous flush, and older, throughout the leaves but more towards the tips

Had applied a thin (1") mulch a few months ago, mostly fine wood chips screened from bagged "bark" for other potting purposes, so I'm thinking I messed up the nutrient balance but I'm not familiar enough with mangos to guess at what might be wrong.

Ah!  I thought I just sucked at the husbandry, but it must be the tissue culture heritage!  They survived the early days of ignorance and neglect, so I try not to fault them for my efforts.  But if I can't get the pups, and especially the sugarloaf ratoon to speed up now, then I may have to consider some more adoptions.

Interesting about the TC plants.  Once they're old enough, will the future pups still be crap?  I also got a Sugarloaf and WJ from Wellspring 5 years ago.  The Sugarloaf gave a small fruit last year, and the WJ is filling in one this year.  Curious if all the pups will similarly be slugs, or whether I'm over the hump, so to speak.

Thanks for the recommendations!  Just heard that American Airlines will be filling middle seats again, plus with covid looking like itís getting worse, Iím going to try to defer this to next year, hopefully a little earlier in the season.

Thanks!  Any notable stops you'd recommend?

Not the best timing, but will be flying into Miami 7/31 and heading ultimately to Key West.  I've got that first weekend to try to gather as many mangoes as possible.  Given our Cali import restrictions, we haven't tried very many types of mangoes really, so hoping to develop some snobbiness on this trip.  Wish we could have come in earlier in the season, but beggars can't be choosers.  Only been to Orlando once before for the parks, off-season, so I have no idea of the area really.

We arrive early Friday morning, so driving straight up to Palm Beach to try to visit Tropical Acres & the Zills, and Excalibur?.  Probably staying in South Beach, although that's flexible.  Weekend is open, but will visit the Spice Park one of those days, plus if there's anything else notable in the Homestead area.  Then on to the Keys.

I have mine even closer to a wall, but they're also still pretty young, so I don't know how successful it will be long term.  They are easy to train to keep it growing away from the neighbor.  However, I get nocturnal visitors that like to chew on the bark and new shoots closest to the wall/highway.  Saves me some pruning work, sort of, but they also ate last year's small crop, so still figuring out what to do about that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: October 27, 2019, 04:22:15 PM »
An update: It (Peach Cobbler) hasn't done much.  Just a smidgen of growth:

The other graft (Orange Sherbet) on the same tree started pushing.  The tips just started drying up, so it may have been the recent heat/dryness, although the PC doesn't seem affected?

This is the tree:

The new flush to the right started after the initial post above and has progressed quite a bit, so it looks like there should be sufficient energy for the grafts, but not sure how to get more of the super juice to go to the grafts.  I rubbed out all other buds that were pushing on the tree, but left 3 on that one branch, to allow for some net new growth in case neither of the grafts were successful.  Should I just cut those off too?

I started thinking the rubbers might be girdling somewhat, so unwrapped a bunch of grafts to satisfy my curiosity.  For some, I could feel the impression left on the host branch, so maybe I wrapped too tight?

This is the PC union:

There was a lot of extra sap that had oozed out under the wraps.  Some had hardened, but the whole joint was still pretty oozy.

This is PC#4 on another tree, that had even more ooze out (the big blob still being visible).  No other grafts have had as much ooze out, or at least still wet at the time of unwrapping.

It had also pushed out a bud, but has also kind of stalled, while another graft (Fruit Punch) continues to push.

Finally, this one (Sweet Tart) doesn't look like it'll make it:

I rewrapped all the unwrapped grafts with just parafilm for now.  Interesting to see things progress at various stages or with varying results, and then guessing what may be happening.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How do commercial guava growers do it?
« on: October 24, 2019, 12:19:23 AM »
I gave up on my guava since the squirrels strip the tree clean while gnawing on the bark of any major scaffolds for dessert.  I took a cutting for a large pot to see if I can "hide" it closer to the house.  That one gets a bunch more bugs but I haven't bothered dealing with it since it's been growing well enough anyways.  It's flowering for the first time, so we'll see if any can survive the rodents next season, but at least it will be small enough that I can cage it if need be.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 SoCal Mango tasting
« on: October 11, 2019, 11:39:47 AM »
Great report!  Next time someone needs to tap out, let me know :P

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: October 11, 2019, 02:12:33 AM »
Thanks for the tips!  I did cut the rootstock first, since I was thinking the same thing (even though most videos seem to be the other way).  And I also do cut away from myself since I'm allergic to my own blood oozing out of my body.

Although I've studied the cambium diagrams, it just wasn't very clear to me in practice since it's more of a gradient from green to beige, at least in the branches I was working with.  When I did finally get that one piece of bark to pull out on that one attempt, it had beige on it, so I wasn't sure if I just failed and happened to pull some sapwood up with it, or if it was supposed to look like that.

Good to know about the Keitts.  I usually only buy Kents, Keitts, & Ataulfos, but I don't have any Keitts that have survived a winter here yet.  I could have sworn I had a couple Kents left, but my notes say I only have 1 left, and the rest are Ataulfo.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time grafting jitters
« on: October 11, 2019, 12:18:09 AM »
It was pretty warm when I started this, but we're dipping into the 50s overnight now.  These stocks are on the west side though, against a block wall, and surrounded by concrete so I'm guessing that's why at least 2 of the stocks are still actively flushing.  The main one, where I put on 4 scions, is the only one to not flower after last winter, so it actually got to put out 3 flushes this year, and those grafts have also started pushing.

I blame it all on the luck of checking in and seeing Phelipe's offer for trees.  Soon after, I see Behl's scions.  After grafting Behl's, I was feeling pretty good about it in general, and then I thought why not try to save some of the terminals from the shipping-stressed trees that had already defoliated their freshest terminals.  So, clipped those, soaked them in a glass of water to plump them back up, and did those too.  It was already dark by the time I was doing the last one.  Plus, it was at the highest point of my precious branch, so I was pretty much blind and just doing it by feel.  I wasn't really expecting much, but 2 of the 3, including the last one, are looking surprisingly good.

My current project is putting up a mini-greenhouse for the new trees and any future projects.  They're currently sitting in my office for now.  Will try to get some new seedlings ready for next year.  Still got the jumbo Mexican Keitts left at 99 Ranch.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / First time grafting jitters
« on: October 10, 2019, 05:36:09 PM »
I'll go practice with some seedlings before I try with some real scions.

Oh, look there's an offering on TFF!  It's GO time!
Ok, lets see what I'll need. Schick, handle, rubber, tape.  M or grafting?  Why can't this ship to Cali?  Eh, just get the cheaper one.  Click, click, click...

Ooh, pretty scions.  Alright let's wrap them.  How do you do the tip?  I don't want to snap off anything.  Oops...
Where should I put this?  Brown looks too tough & green is too high.  Alright, the middle then...
I don't want to just cut off this fine branch.  Let's try with just a veneer type then.  The sizes don't match anyways.
Now, how far do I cut into the stock?  Well, that must be straight enough.  Where's this cambium?  Somewhere between green and beige, I suppose...
Trim this flap?  Stop it!  You're thinking too much and time is ticking!  Just leave it...
Damn, why can't I slice this thing straight!  Oh shoot, it's not flat now...
Well, let's try to line up the border on one side at least since these clearly don't match size-wise...
Darn, it won't sit flat.  Let me shave the stock a little higher... Aww, that's really not straight now.
The thing keeps moving every time I wrap this rubber around!  Is that tight enough?  The cuts weren't really flat.  Let me tighten that some more.  Crap, it moved again!
Man, this tape keeps snapping!  Grr, why do little holes keep tearing in it?
Hmm, how to seal the crotch?  Let me just drape some tape around there... (bumps scion)  Is it out of position now?
Oh, this is going to get too much sun.  Need some foil...
There!  Only 4 more to go!
Let's try a bark one like they were talking about on TFF.  So cut horizontal, then verticals, then pull... Why doesn't it pull off?  Oh that doesn't look smooth at all...  Let's just stick with the easier way for now...

They aren't dead yet!

I should've put that scion on that other branch over there.

I hope that condensation in the tip won't cause problems...

Will I have to wait till next year for some action?

Is that swelling?

Will it really be able to push through the tape?

Booyah!  Welcome a new master gardener!

I actually have a chance to layover at MIA on the 14th, and was wondering where I might be able to buy any of the mangoes I can only read about.

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