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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangos 2016
« on: August 04, 2016, 08:56:09 PM »
since it sounds like Kesar grows well in South Florida I am thinking of buying a grafter tree.

But neither PIN nor Excalibur carry them. Any idea where I can get one?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweetheart Lychee ???
« on: May 05, 2016, 12:16:06 AM »
In Florida, canopy size means nothing.  The tree needs to be of a mature age, approximately 10 years of age, before it will go into production.

I purchased mine as a 3 gallon tree. Set fruit on year 4 (20 pieces approx.) The problem in south florida is lack of chill hours. I have seen 1 f tall trees with fruit on

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote cultivars
« on: May 04, 2016, 04:09:54 PM »
Great canopy and super good looking tree!

In S florida I do not think folks complaint about size much but rather about lack of consistent production.

I don't get why Sapote is considered too big to grow even if they taste great. Not a problem as they are very pruneable. Mine is about 30 years old and I prune it from a 6' ladder and polesaw to about 15' tall and wide. It's like what Floridians say about Mango's there. At that size they have plenty of fruit for a family.

Mine has a nice hemisphere canopy as thus:



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote cultivars
« on: May 04, 2016, 04:02:08 PM »
What is interesting is that the tree is blooming again. The blooms in the pictured are opening now while fruit keep developing. I can count at least 5 more panicles.

Also it is worth reminding that I am in SOUTH FLORIDA. You Californians have it easier with Annonas, Avos and white sapote.

Down here (Miami and surroundings) White Sapote does not fruit consistently. So if somebody would like to give it a try I highly recommend homestead cultivar from Excalibur. It appears being self fertile.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote cultivars
« on: May 04, 2016, 01:07:58 PM »
Here are some pictures of my homestead. Planted 2 years back already blooming and setting fruit. It must be self fertile as I have yet to see another white sapote tree in the neighborhood.

Question for the experts: I think the branch on the right which shoots for the sky grows from the rootstock and not from the graft. I posted a close up, what do you think am I right?

If yes I am inclined to remove it. However I wonder whether I should do it immediately or after harvest.

I cannot figure out whether that branch helps the tree support fruit development (if yes I would live it) or slow the process down by taking energy for its own growth (in which case I would remove immediately).

Also I am afraid of shocking the tree...

What do you guys think? Also how do I cut it and avoid the rootstock to produce 10 more shots from that very same area?

Thanks for any help.














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Sapodillas tend to be poillinated by ants.

If you use pesticide around the house that may be the reason why fruit set is disappointing

It is blooming heavily (blooms haven t opened yet). So I am throwing veggie and fruit scrap under the tree and on the lower branches with the hope ants find it.

Once they do and get to taste the sap that surrounds new growth and flowers fruit set should also improve

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As we are getting to the end of this journey I thought to provide an update.

My sweetheart lychee in the end did produce a few fruits (15-20) last year thanks to the particular cold winter and girdling. But this year again...nothing (despite of being girdled)

What is even more disappointing is that my longan tree has not bloom not even once in 5 years. The tree is fairly large and quite beautiful. As a last resort I poured 2 gallon of bleach under the canopy to induce blooming as recommended by a research paper that documented a similar experiment in the Hawaii, but to no avail.

They are both going to the mulch pile in the next 2 weeks unless somebody would like to come and dig em up. I live in Surfside (Miami Beach North)

I will replace both of them with more reliable fruit trees (Mango, sapodilla etc). Our family is growing and I would like to feed my babies as much organic fruit as possible.

These trees may be ok for the collector but are way to finicky for the regular backyard grower. As somebody would say ain't nobody got time for this!

 Cheers

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My Hasya is 10 feet tall and set 2 sapodillas, 1 each year, for the last 2 years....the fruit was relatively bland compared to Alano but much larger. I just planted a Makok close to it to improve pollination. But honestly if the taste does not improve the tree is going to go to the mulch pile....

I have had also an Alano for 5 years and it tends to grow sideways at first. The tree now looks like a huge wide bush but it has finally started growing vertically. It is  a good producer and although fruit is small it is very sweet. I love it

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote cultivars
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:41:18 PM »
Just a quick update on my trees.

I ended up buying a white sapote variety homestead from Linda in 2014. It was a 3 gallon little tree that against all odds was already bearing 1 fruit. During the transplant by accident I hit the fruit which fell. It had not developed fully yet but I thought I would try to have it ripen on the kitchen counter.

The fruit did soften and it was delicious. The taste made me think of flan or custard. It is sweet and creamy with hints of vanilla. 1 year and a half later (early this year) the tree developed 3 panicles and it has now 11 little white sapotes growing fast.

Since there are no other nearby trees I must conclude that homestead is self fertile. In the meanwhile I also bought a redlands which appears to be popular in South Florida and today a second homestead (I could eat white sapote all day).

Like others mentioned you should focus on those varieties that grow well here. That is why like Gunnar I am also in the market for a bonita springs which based on Andrew and oldsurfer has viable pollen.

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I am resurrecting this old post to get help identifying an avo variety. It should be an easy one for the expert.

I am a recent Florida avocado convert. I used to prefer the Cali rich varieties but the Florida ones have grown on me and I have learned that while some are truly watered down some others can be excellent.

Like, for example, the one I bought at publix a few days back. All Florida avos are labelled slimcados. The truth is that publix keeps its shelves stocked by buying different avo varieties during the year.

This one which is a large fruit (over a pound) has a slightly sweet flavor and it is creamy but not in an oily way. Considering I bought it in January what could it be? See pics below




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: August 29, 2015, 11:44:33 PM »
folks I need to top work a mango tree. Anybody you would recommend? I am in North Miami. thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Espalier
« on: April 12, 2015, 11:16:29 PM »
I found this picture on line. I know that espalier as an horticultural method is particularly popular with apples, pears and I believe stone fruit. But I did not know it would be possible with mangoes.

I am thinking of giving it a try along the south fence on my property. The alley between me and my neighbor is paved on both sides with the exception of a long narrow strip of dirt (on my side) that is approximately 2 foot wide and 40 foot long running along the entire property. I could start with pickering, rosigold, carry and Neelam. All smaller, more manageable varieties

Has any of you attempted anything similar? What do you guys think?

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Espalier (/ɨˈspælɪər/ or /ɨˈspæli.eɪ/) is the horticultural and ancient agricultural practice of controlling woody plant growth for the production of fruit, by pruning and tying branches to a frame, frequently in formal patterns, flat against a structure such as a wall, fence, or trellis, and also plants which have been shaped in this wa


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So now that my lychee is blooming does anybody have any good piece of advice to ensure good pollination and fruit set?

Also, my longan is flushing - meaning no blooms. I thought this is counter intuitive, lychee blooming, longan (which is supposed to be lower maintenance) flushing....I guess I will have to try with potassium chlorate....

Make sure to protect from wind so flowers don't get knocked off. Anything you can do to attract pollinators, like bees, would also be helpful. Once the flowers start setting fruit give the tree a light dose of fertilizer around drip line.

Thanks Oscar! Also - I noticed my longan is only pushing leaves. Is it safe to assume it will not bloom this year? I am asking because I would like to prune it. Or should I still wait a little? Thanks a bunch

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So now that my lychee is blooming does anybody have any good piece of advice to ensure good pollination and fruit set?

Also, my longan is flushing - meaning no blooms. I thought this is counter intuitive, lychee blooming, longan (which is supposed to be lower maintenance) flushing....I guess I will have to try with potassium chlorate....

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yes Simon - that is exactly my point. Only the girdled ones are blooming. Which means that in my case no girdling would have meant no blooms at all despite the winter cooler temperature.

The takeaway is that we should always girdle in October to increase our chances of a successful harvest.

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Hi everyone – I thought to share with the community my recent experience with a Sweetheart lychee in Miami Beach as a backyard grower hoping that it may be useful to other fellow growers who were frustrated – like me – with this tree finicky behavior especially considering the scant information on this newly introduced variety.

I bought this specimen at PIN 3.5 years ago and it grew to become a beautiful and healthy 8 foot tall tree with a full round canopy. As the tree never bloomed I thought to reach out to 2 other backyard growers in my neighborhood and listen to their experience.  Feedback was not very encouraging. Their trees - both over 15 years old - never bloomed with 1 exception – 2010 – when a more serious cold front hit Miami and the Beach. That year they had a bumper crop. Nothing since then.

The Beach is a more difficult growing environment for lychees due to the difficulty of getting sufficient chill hours. It is common knowledge that the Beach is consistently warmer than Miami due to its  exposure to both the Ocean and the bay which act as insulators.

As a last resort I decided to follow lycheesonline recommendations and see whether I could bring the tree to bloom through human intervention. Here is what I did. 1) Stopped fertilizing the tree in July. 2) Pruned in August. 3) Girdled in October. The weather helped too with a colder winter.

The tree is now blooming. And this may not sound like big news considering this year’s weather. What I found relevant is that only and exclusively the canopy impacted by girdling is developing panicles. I counted 19 of them. The rest of the tree does not have a single panicle.


Lycheesonline reports:  “Don't be surprised when the girdled branch(s) is loaded with fruit and the rest of the tree fruits lightly. The fruiting of the non-girdled branch is typical of what the tree would have produced had you not girdled the tree at all”. This means that without girdling my tree would not have bloomed at all.

I must conclude that in my case girdling was not just a bloom booster, as many articles report, but rather the critical step to trigger blooming.

This said I doubt girdling would be able to induce blooming with average temp of 70F. But in borderline situations - meaning when you get close to the chill requirement but not quite - girdling may be able to give your tree the extra boost to do just that.

Now I know that even with 55 average temp in February (this is the reported temp in Miami Beach for this month) my Sweetheart would not bloom (unless I girdle it). Whereas Mauritius - based on my Neighbor’s experience in 2010 - would bloom without human intervention. So Sweetheart appears to be less reliable than Mauritius based on this specific comparison (which is however only 1 data point and therefore far from being conclusive). Being my tree only 3.5 I realize there may be a juvenile factor to be considered and as the tree matures it may be able to bloom in conjunction with slightly higher temperatures.

My Neighbor’s tree, a large Mauritius – see third picture - is blooming too this year (the way it did in 2010 without any human intervention). He is in the ice business and this year, for the first time, has applied 100 pounds of ice daily for 14 days in a row. I do not think we can draw a clear conclusion on the efficacy of ice applications. There is research out there suggesting that cooling roots only is not sufficient. Besides Mauritius is described as a more reliable variety for south east Florida. If you add to that the fact that we had a cooler winter on the Beach this year than we did in 2010 I think it is reasonable to think that it would have bloomed no matter what. Below I report the average temperatures in Miami Beach in the last 6 years.

                  Nov   Dec   Jan   Feb
season 2009   71   70   67   66
season 2010   75   72   60   62
season 2011   73   60   66   70
season 2012   75   73   69   72
season 2013   72   73   74   72
season 2014   76   70   67   73
season 2015   72   70   70   55








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Sure enough when I was almost ready to give my the tree away (or even worse transfer it to the mulch pile) it started displaying some unusual growth that I believe may qualify as blooms or panicles. I am still not 100% sure but the growth does not look like leaves and resembes asparagus tips with little tiny spheres attached to it...I will post pictures in the coming day if those truly happen to be flowers. Now that would be great news!

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good point on the critters. Of my Alano so far I have been able to eat only 1 sapodilla. I tried to protect most fruits with ziplocs to no avial. I would find the plastic bags at the base of the tree empty with just a few seeds. By looking at what is left of the bags i would say squirrels must be the ones to blame.

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I want to eat mangoes in October and November :-)

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still on the lookout here but despite the numerous cold fronts, despite the religiously observed pruning schedule and despite girdling my sweetheart does not appear to be wanting to put out any panicle. I am taking applications for adoption. Anybody leaving in Miami proper (not on the beach) may have a better luck with it.

True to be told, I took on the habit to compare the temperature in Miami Beach and in Davie and most of the time I did detect a delta of 2 to 5 degrees with the Beach always hotter than the mainland. I think that is my main challenge.

The tree is going to the mulch pile by mid March....anybody who is interested (free tree as long as you dig it up) please email me. I will replace it with a Keitt. End of the story....



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Thanks Harry - last flush has already hardened and the tree appears to be dormant right now....I may be lucky. Will keep my finger crossed.

On a side note, I did girdled my tree in the fall and I noticed that it tried to push many tiny branches just below the incision during last flush. Still the leaves above the incision are nice and green.

Gnappi did your Mauritius ever bloomed and set fruit? According to many it is supposed to be the most reliable variety in South Florida.

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do you guys think the cold snap we had this week may be sufficient to supply enough chill hours to our lychees down here in South Florida?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Keitt Mango
« on: January 22, 2015, 10:26:49 PM »
My neighbor has a mango tree that he believes to be a Keitt. Here are some pics. Beyond the fact that it is a very late mango (sept, Oct) it does not look like a Keitt to me. First the color which tends to be yellow with red blushes as per enclosed pictures. Also the flesh is a deep orange, it is completely fiberless and there is no hint of tartness whatsoever. Super sweet with a tutti frutti flavor. What do you guys think?



Yeah ,  i agree with Warren.
Gary are you sure that's a Keitt  ?
I thought it turns a  light green blush when ripe, i have been getting huge Mexican Keitts at my local dollar store recently
I love this cultivar, so much flesh per mango i already have 5 frozen bags of pulp in my freezer for my fruit shakes / smoothies


This year in the DR, I came across many colorful Keiitt,   I do not understand why though,  usually Keiitt just get a little yellow, and maybe a small blush on the sun facing side.   but I came across many vendors selling Keitt as colorful as those in that picture,  at first I thought they were Tommy, but after I ate a few,  I realized they were indeed Keitt.    could it be weather conditions?  fertilizer?  I still come across Keitts that look like what we are used to.  even completely ripe all green Keitts.











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Is anybody in South Florida getting any bloom so far on their lychee trees?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Canistel pollination
« on: January 15, 2015, 08:39:19 PM »
hopefully this time it works. Here is my canistel


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