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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety?
« on: October 29, 2020, 09:57:39 AM »
Every year avocados taste different. Specially with the change in weather patterns. This year our  favorite is Semil 34. I have two trees, for family and friends and this year they are spectacular.  Taste wise best,  does not get a lot of disease. Seed on the small size, matures October 1 and they stay in the tree to December 1++. It is not grown commercially here much because of imports arriving in October. But I do not understand why nurseries don't propagate for the homeowner.
Also there is a tree I continue to like a lot,  for many reason is what I call a Super Waldin one in particular  I.D. as 7516

Avocados seem to be flowering very early.

That is very early flowering specially from the Orlando Area

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best tasting avocado variety?
« on: October 21, 2020, 02:45:27 PM »
John are you growing any Hass seedling successfully?

So what varieties do best in such potted situations Carlos?

If someone does not have to room to plant in ground, and is open to passing along or chopping their tree and starting a new one every so often, and they REALLY love avocados and cannot get good ones locally, then this idea could make sense.
Honestly I think none  But in your situation to do it for fun,  because it will be cheaper to order on line or buy in the store. I would buy a grafted 3 gal of your choice and plant in 7 or 15 gal with a good fast draining media and hope for the best. Make sure it gets sun.   

Getting back on topic on container avocados.
You can get them to grow well in containers even to fruit and hold a couple of fruits but seems that after year 3 or so. Is very hard to keep them healthy and producing.  I volunteer at UF Tropical Research Station doing exactly that,  maintaining avocado trees in containers for experiments. After 3-4 years is very hard to keep them nice and healthy.  If you keep up potting you can may be get to 15 gal or 25 gal container and that can give you some extra time. But what is the point I have a hard time moving a 15 gal, a 25 gal out of the question.

Totally agree with you John

We in the lower part of Florida will have to adapt. I have trees that did not even set one fruit this years, others did bumper crops. On the bright side it opens a lot of possibilities (and land) to places north of Miami-Dade  to grow sub tropical. I think that as far north as Sebring you can at some point in time do a commercial avocado grove. Land is a lot less expensive.

No Oro Negro, but the Lula in my yard are ripening quite a bit earlier this year. Couple of fruit that fell off ripened okay.
I Lulas are falling off the tree now in St Pete it is clear indication of a State wide warming trend.

Interesting my understanding of Talpeņo is that it did not turn black , stayed green.  A big producer but I did not like it taste wise so I re-top-worked

If I were to guess from things that have happened to me. I would say that tree had root issues from the nursery when you transplanted it to the ground could not survive the shock. I had ordered years ago a Yamagata from a mail order nursery and that is exactly what happened.  I no longer put a tree in the field unless I see a clean root ball with nice healthy roots.
Avocados are full sun trees at this point I would just cut the wilted part and hope for the best. I put trees in the field all the time to full sun and there are no issues , By the way what cultivar is it?

My Oro Negro Avocado started turning black on the tree around the first week of October.   I picked some and they did not ripen well. Totally tasteless, chewy, not matured.  Prior years I have picked my firsts in Mid November with the color change. Turning Color has always been a signal but this year extra rain and temperature is playing havoc with this variety. Any one experiencing this? 

Looks like your tree is wilting. I would cut down 1 inch below the black wilted trunk and then:  1 Pray a lot.  2 Give the tree some shade. 3 do not over water 4 give the tree a drench of Agriphos or similar product.  5 Pray a bit more. 

Some times there is decease that comes from the nursery it manifest once the tree is put in the ground in full sun and there are not enough root mass  to keep the tree hydrated

If it eventually dies, I hope not, don't worry most of the so called cold hardy avocados are not really that good.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado 24/7 Thread
« on: September 28, 2020, 06:43:49 PM »
Just purchased this from Publix. Does anyone know what variety it is?

Looks like a Hall picked a bit early since maturity day is actually today. Hall is a great avocado. Great Producer.  Eats better in October I have a seedling of Hall that we enjoy

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any avocados fruiting September-December?
« on: September 28, 2020, 06:40:29 PM »
Hall is a nice one maturity table this year is today. Great producer as well

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Source for large fruit trees in Florida?
« on: September 21, 2020, 08:16:13 AM »
Just a though. A 4 year old  $250.00 root bound 25 gal tree is not going to do better than a 18 months 7 gal tree.

If planting 2 trees, I've been thinking that Catalina and Monroe would be an outstanding combination.  They even have the Types A/B thing going for them.  Can anyone think of a better one?  Do they both grow straight up, or do they have some width?
John, these two are kind of close for maturity Simonds or Dupuis seems like a better choice for the early,  both are excellent,  to some better than Monroe.

So you actually prefer the avocado grown on the poorer soil, which is less oily and lighter in flavor?
Yes John, taste is determined by the taster. That is why I hate when people ask "what is your top avocado". Some don't taste the same every year.   I

Nice to see you post. I had kept up with your website some years ago. Actually got a Catalina tree around that time. Although I got from a random nursery and I think they gave me another type of avocado maybe Simmons ?
That is an unfortunate problem in some nurseries. The leaves are very different though. Simonds is a great fruit. Nothing wrong with it.

I think they misunderstood the question. If you are getting a tissue test to see the levels of your nutrients you may want to send a sample from the deficient tree to see if it is a deficiency. If you suspect it is a decease, you then want to send the diseased tissue or root to a place like the UF Plant Clinic in Homestead or your state plant clinic.
Plants are very deceiving you have to test to check what is actually wrong. I remember a few years back, more than 8-10 years ago I had one tree out of 2500 in my grove showing signs of chlorosis. The tree looked like crap I sent it for analysis and It came back perfect. I could not believe it.   I struggled with the tree for years refusing to get rid of it.   Last year I was ready to give up and pull the tree out and, I was told the problem.    Soil contamination.  A friend made a soil cleaning cocktail with cleaning pseudomonas and bacillus  and in about a month the tree got better and today you can not even notice the difference today.
Sorry for the long reply

I just update my web page on the subject:
​ September 7, 2020: I have not been keeping up on Catalina. The tree at home and the top worked tree in the grove both lost to the hurricane Irma in 2017. The only survivor is the Catalina on Catalina shown in the picture of September 2015. A small tree that was planted between two vigorous trees, as result growing very slowly. Finally this year set 10 fruits. To my amazement I find that the fruit taste very different from the tree at home, actually better. The tree at home produced a very oily fruit with a canistel like taste that I really did not preferred. The fruit from the grove, is much better, creamy, lighter in a way. I measure my preference to where I go to get fruit to eat at home. Every day I'm, going by this tree to take one fruit for home.  eat 1/2 with the meal and save the other 1/2 for avocado toast in the morning. Even the shape of the fruit is different. Is less round, bigger seed. That has always been my theory, the terroir imparts a lot of the fruit taste and character.  My home is probably the only house in Dade County that is not on rock. I have clay soil, heavily compacted and deep. Last time we dug at 15 feet we still had clay. Probably I'm on an ancient waterhole.
The tree at home was probably grafted on a Waldin seedling and this one on a Catalina.  That's another story for another time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miguel Avocado?
« on: September 07, 2020, 02:00:15 PM »
You know, every year I say I need to try the Loretta but I never get to it. I don't grow them and don't know anyone that does is no longer a popular commercial variety. I will try to ask a packing house for one to try.  I agree it is a curiosity such big fruit with such small seed

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miguel Avocado?
« on: September 05, 2020, 11:14:41 PM »
They are not Miguel

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