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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Really Good Flavicarpa Passionfruit
« on: September 18, 2018, 09:30:52 PM »
Yeah, that's what I"ve decided don't order from them again!! Thanks for tip Barath, how's Southern Ca. treating you!

Great so far -- not quite settled yet, so everything is in containers, but growing much faster.  Hoping to plant my collection of fruit trees and vines in the ground soon.

As for Passifloras, I managed to get P. laurifolia to flower outdoors here this summer, but it didn't set fruit despite hand pollination.  (The vine is about 5 years old with a thick and woody trunk, in a 40 gallon container.  I had been growing it indoors in the bay area.)  I think P. nitida is closely related, but I don't know if it is easier or harder to fruit.  P. laurifolia is the best passionfruit I've eaten (had it in Maui) but it's considered strictly tropical.  I'm still working on tracking down seeds of P. popenovii which is its highland relative.

Of course Mike's passionfruits probably are even better, and maybe someday we'll get to try some of those types here.

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note that fruit fly is in at the flower stage of guava where eggs are laid, then larva forms as fruit grows, into a fruit fly when fully ripe. I have tried everything but in vein all 6 guava trees have this problem. Malayan red does not have this issue for some reason.

I didn't realize anyone had fruit fly problems with guavas in California.  That's worrying.  I've picked guavas off family and friends' trees in Orange and San Diego counties and never saw any fruit flies, but maybe their trees were just lucky?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Really Good Flavicarpa Passionfruit
« on: September 18, 2018, 02:53:38 PM »
There are seeds available from Australianseeds.com has Panama varieties but I have not had luck starting there seeds, protea seeds yes but not the passiflora. From my understanding passiflora do not come true from seed if I'm wrong please correct me. I would love to get my hands on some of the sweet varieties. ;)
Also a few years ago i had ordered seeds from I believe place was called Georgiavines and they had quite a nice selection but none of those seeds came up either. If passiflora seeds dry out they have very sporadic germination.
Even with g.a., scarification, tea and water soak.   

I got georgiavines seeds of Australian passifloras to sprout, but they were almost definitely mislabeled because the plants were not normal P. edulis or even flavicarpa, but some other hybrid that refused to fruit or even flower.  (I tried a lot of seeds from them and eventually stopped getting their seeds.)

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You need to use an "all of the above" strategy. Sell some, trade some with folks who have something else later on, freeze some, dry some, can some as jam, jelly, etc.
I once lived in the tropics in a more open house without air conditioning. We had a fruit cabinet with fine mesh screen and legs resting in cups of water to keep away ants and flying insects. If there is something you want you can trade for it. I traded (windfall) mangoes with the fish market guys for fish guts/carcasses to make fish emulsion fertilizer which completes the circle, they were throwing it away in the bay anyhow.

Oh, that's a nice idea -- I'll think about making a fruit cabinet like that...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How to store / keep lots of fruit in the kitchen
« on: September 09, 2018, 05:03:31 PM »
Once our trees are all producing well we know we're going to have more fruit than we know what to do with and are trying to figure out a way to keep the fruit in the kitchen without using up all of our counter space and without having the fruit spoil too quickly. We've been thinking about getting metal wire-frame baskets and attaching them to the wall so we can store a lot of fruits and let them have airflow.  We also figure we'll want to get a deep freezer and put extra fruit in there.

I'm sure many of you have enormous harvests -- how do you deal with them?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why wont my passion vine fruit?
« on: September 08, 2018, 10:17:23 PM »
Giving them some Sul-Po-Mag seems to help with fruiting and fruit quality.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guavas in Nor Cal?
« on: September 07, 2018, 01:46:57 AM »
Standard tropical guavas weren't very cold hardy for me even in the coastal East Bay, but when protected from frost they fruited well and ripened ok despite a lack of heat.  In your area the heat will probably not be the main issue but frost will be.  (I had guava trees freeze to the ground even at about 30F.  They did come back in the spring, but didn't fruit.)

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Nice technique.  This looks almost like how I do some bud grafts, except with a larger scion.  One challenge I've had with grafts like this (just like bud grafts) is getting the scion to push because it's often lower down on the tree.  Are there any tricks you use to get it to push?  (Like topping the tree after the graft heals?)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achachairu Growing Information Please
« on: August 20, 2018, 10:47:21 AM »
Achachairu can take extreme highs, as shown in commercial plantings in Australia, and perhaps can take an occasional frost,  due to its originating from foothills of the Andes mountains. I think what will be hard for this plant is long periods in winter with 50-60F weather, and more importantly low humidity of southern California. If you can give it some protection during winter, and provide it with misters or grow it next to a pond, it should do ok.

Oddly, the cold winter of the East Bay (which is colder than that of SoCal) didn't kill my Achachairu plants, or other closely related Garcinias (including Mexican Garcinia).  I had them on my rooftop garden and while it didn't go below 39F it was rarely over 60F for probably 3 months, and that included plenty of cold rain and wind.  They weren't happy but other than going yellow, they made it.  It took them a long time to recover after the winter was over, though.
Great to hear they are so hardy. Have any of yours fruited? Has anyone in California fruited achachairu?

Mine are nowhere near fruiting -- they are still very small and in containers, and I finally will plant them in a few months.

Maybe Mark Lee is getting close?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achachairu Growing Information Please
« on: August 19, 2018, 10:30:10 PM »
Achachairu can take extreme highs, as shown in commercial plantings in Australia, and perhaps can take an occasional frost,  due to its originating from foothills of the Andes mountains. I think what will be hard for this plant is long periods in winter with 50-60F weather, and more importantly low humidity of southern California. If you can give it some protection during winter, and provide it with misters or grow it next to a pond, it should do ok.

Oddly, the cold winter of the East Bay (which is colder than that of SoCal) didn't kill my Achachairu plants, or other closely related Garcinias (including Mexican Garcinia).  I had them on my rooftop garden and while it didn't go below 39F it was rarely over 60F for probably 3 months, and that included plenty of cold rain and wind.  They weren't happy but other than going yellow, they made it.  It took them a long time to recover after the winter was over, though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jamaican Cherry near me???
« on: August 19, 2018, 10:22:27 PM »
Hi Barath, thank you how dose the fruit taste? really hoping to see and taste one.      Regards     Patrick

The inside tastes like cotton candy (it really does), when ripe, and the skin is a bit rubbery and flavorless (but edible).  I know some people just squish the fruit in their mouth and spit out the skin.  I just eat them whole.

But the fruit is tiny -- like a small blueberry at best.  The good thing is it's a fast grower.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jamaican Cherry near me???
« on: August 19, 2018, 03:44:57 PM »
Hi Patrick,

I should have an extra little plant of it, if you want one.  I haven't made a trip to your area of San Diego in a while, but I could sometime in the next few weeks.  My tree doesn't have any fruit right now but it may in a couple months.

-Barath

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Quickest producers from seed?
« on: August 18, 2018, 04:04:18 PM »
You can get white sapote fruit in 2.5 years if you grow a really vigorous (large seed) seedling and a year in graft it to Vernon, which I've seen set fruit a year after grafting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yay! My first pitangatuba fruit!
« on: August 16, 2018, 11:29:33 PM »
Just got my first pitangatuba from a plant Jack from Nipomo generously gave me years ago.  It has been flowering like crazy for two years and I have tried to hand pollinate, but it seemed nothing was setting.  Then today we found a dropped fruit out of nowhere.

The smell was amazing -- the taste less so (though not awful).  Somehow it reminded me of a sour Indian-type mango.

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The big risk with avocado trees that are that big is that they will struggle to grow when you plant them.  Maybe you'll get lucky, but avocados seem to do best when planted young, when the roots haven't been constrained by nursery pots.  Simon has a whole thread on the forum about how after years of bad luck with nursery-grown avocados (which I have had as well), he had good luck with direct seeded avocados.  You might consider planting the trees in the ground right away to let them get established before winter.

Lately I've been doing a hybrid -- I plant avocado seeds in 1/2 gallon cardboard milk cartons and grow them until the seedling is about 4-6 inches tall and then plant them by cutting the bottom off of the carton and sliding the carton off, to as to not disturb the roots.  Seems to work pretty well, as long as I time it right.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Watermelon
« on: August 14, 2018, 10:22:58 PM »
Look great.  I'm curious what you mean by "box grown" -- are you using the technique where you grow the melon in a box to make it take a certain shape, like they do in Japan to make cube-shaped melons?  Or do you mean something else?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anona season approaches
« on: August 10, 2018, 10:43:54 PM »
These look great.

I'm curious when we'll start seeing Ilamas grown from seed from Raul among folks here.  The seeds I got unfortunately never sprouted (they got some sort of fungus), but I'm looking forward to hearing about the good varieties that are selected from the seedlings people are growing.

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Barayh, do you think they will survive the south cali winter?

I think they'll survive in Zone 10b SoCal outdoors -- they survived (barely) in my previous frost-free yard in El Cerrito in the bay area.  They really don't like cold weather and die back quite a bit when the weather is below about 45 F, but don't seem to truly die unless the temperature stays low for too long.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: August 04, 2018, 07:07:24 PM »
By the way, for those in California, check out weatherwest.com -- they have detailed weather blog posts about once a month and an active message board.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID Southern Cali passion fruit
« on: August 03, 2018, 01:27:46 AM »
So I have been on a mission to find some different types of passion fruit that can be grown in Southern California. It seems to me that everyone has the Fredricks variety and I would love to establish a vine that has some different acid to sugar balance.
I stopped by Exotica in Vista this last Monday to buy a Grumichama and several different mango seedlings for rootstock. While we were down in the area, me and the family went to another favorite nursery, Atkins Nursery. We bought several boxes of white sapote, reed avacodos and passion fruit.
While I was picking out the bigger Fredricks passion fruit from the box, I noticed another box of passion fruit sitting next to it. The thing that caught my eye was all the different colors and sizes. I asked the young guy that was working there and he told me that a local man grows a lot of different types and gives them to him to sell at the farmers market.
If anyone has any idea what types these are or if they might be in contact with the person in Fallbrook that is growing these, I would be interested in hearing more.
There look to be three different cultivars from my observations: two yellow types (one of short, fat & circular, the other is long & oval) and a very light red colored one. This one has five distinct ridges that don't show up very well on the photos.
I will post a taste update in a few days when I have the time.









How much is Atkins nursery selling the various fruit for?

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Does anyone have or know of someone in Southern California with a Duke Avocado tree?  The only trees I know of are way up in Oroville.  I'm looking for seeds of Duke (the fruit isn't bad either) sometime in the next month or so.  In Oroville they ripen in Sep/Oct so I figure a Duke tree in Southern California would be ripening now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Aphids Alter Plant Chemistry
« on: August 01, 2018, 06:27:33 PM »
There's a type of tea that owes its flavor to the fact that they let leafhoppers attack the tea plant -- the defense compound the tea plant makes is what gives the special flavor:

https://specialtyteaalliance.org/world-of-tea/oriental-beauty-bug-bitten-teas/

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I can report that these grow great from the seeds from Raul -- I had a bunch a couple years back and gave them to a local community college to sell at their sales.  I kept two, which are growing nicely in California -- they're growing faster here in Southern California, though not very fast.  Their growth looks a lot like lychee, and is similarly slow-ish growing.

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Artocarpus chama naturally grows in North East India from Arunachal Pradesh to Tripura and in some places there will be very low temperature in the winter but the trees survive.

If it can really grow in Arunachal Pradesh then it probably can grow in at least Zone 10a Florida conditions and maybe even Zone 10a California conditions if it grows in the higher altitudes as well.

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Cold tolerant Artocarpus chaplasha/Artocarpus chama seeds are available.25 seeds 15 USD plus 30 USD for EMS(Earlier I quoted 20 USD for 25 seeds).
Roy

Sounds interesting -- when you say cold tolerant, what sort of climate do they grow in?  Is it more cold tolerant than Jackfruit?

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