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Citrus General Discussion / Replacement for Tahitian Lime
« on: October 17, 2018, 08:51:21 PM »
I believe Tahiti(an) lime is a cultivar of what is known as Persian lime internationally.
Basically, I want a lime that has these properties in order of priority
  • more vigorous (so grafts grow strongly on Eureka lemon tree)
  • is seedless
  • has fruit that is more visually distinct from lemon (Tahitian turns yellow and is similar in shape)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Grafting Actinida / kiwifruit
« on: October 15, 2018, 09:43:10 AM »
I am a fairly skilled grafter but have had no luck with Actinidia. It obviously works because I purchased grafted varieties in pots, however I don't think it works when you are grafting onto a mature plant. I think a multi-varietal vine doesn't work. My grafts would take, then push out minimal growth and die. The thing is, I wanted to keep the original main growth. Maybe should have grafted at a more terminal location?

Another thing, I have wanted to graft A. arguta onto A. deliciosa. Is this even remotely possible that they co-exist with similar vigor on the same vine?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is something wrong with my Dream?
« on: October 07, 2018, 06:56:08 AM »
You could be having a wet Dream. Overwatering after planting.

I would like to buy 10 seeds of the sort Pennsylvania Gold. Sent to Minnesota. Although there are apparently different strains of PE-Gold, I am not picky about which one you have.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: October 06, 2018, 09:54:14 PM »
Mallika = Mung in dung
but Sweet Tart is state-of-the-art

Is it "lie-chee" or "lee-chee" (lychee)?  Is it true Chinese dialects pronounce it differently?
I'm told by a Chinese acquaintance who is both fluent in Cantonese and Mandarin that "lee-chee" is the Cantonese pronunciation, while "lai-chee" is the Mandarin one. Being that lychee is endigenous to Cantonese territory, I'm inclined to think the first pronunciation may be more appropriate, but there's really no right one.

For some reason the spelling Lychee tends to be associated with the pronunciation "lee-chee", while Litchi tends to be associated with the pronunciation "lai-chee".

Perhaps not very relevant but the Japanese language would be inclined to pronounce it "lee-chee" (romanization: ri-chi).

You got just about everything wrong in the above post. This stuff is rather easy to check. (click speaker icon for pronunciation)

I know someone (on this forum) who got his first fruit from a plant originating from these seeds. He said it was no different in size from the standard megalanthus, but wanted to wait another season in the hope that the fruit might get better.
I am not optimistic.
Carlos also told me that the giant Peruvian was naturally thornless, however I think this is another lie. Basically, Carlos has just been selling seeds of fruit imported from Peru, which probably just had the thorns manually removed. Carlos said he is growing it himself, but never uploaded a single photo and won't sell a cutting even though that would maintain the true-to-typeness. Then there is the problem of hybridization, either from Peru or from Carlos (who told me he grows 30 cultivars). He doesn't respond to any of these issues raised ~ just keeps accepting orders and sending out seeds.

In classical Latin (not church Latin) and Greek, the "c" is pronounced as 'k".  So meer-kee-AH-ree-ah.  But changing the "c" to "s" is extremely common throughout academia in western European languages, so if you are not into bucking the flow, that is probably how you will say it.
And Greek? No, I do not think that is true. C was pronounced as S in Greek and the letter actually looked halfway inbetween the two modern letters that it is ancestor to. I am talking about Sigma (Σ, ς). Look at the lower case form and how it has a small flick beneath the c. The Greeks had Kappa (Κ, κ) for the other phoneme.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Another artocarpus id
« on: September 28, 2018, 02:28:44 AM »
ID wanted, please and thank you

Granted, the genera are allied, but this is still kinda funky how similar the two plants are in the photo.
There is kinda only one characteristic that separates these two species at this stage of growth...

Any English speaker who pronounces it "lee-chee" is just wrong. It is spelled lychee for good reason and clearly the first functional vowel is spelled differently from the second. Murahilin is correct about the Cantonese vs Mandarin difference - the former having more senior priority as the species originates in the Cantonese-speaking South.

"Ischia fig" is something that is always pronounced incorrectly. Rhymes with skier. Also "Panachee" (correct spelling) should rhyme with nashi (the pear). Or just translate from the French as "Variegated". The thing is, it's hardly a cultivar (maybe a cultigen?) as it is just a sport of the cultivar Mallea and genetically indistinguishable from it using current technology. Just about any cultivar can throw out a variegated (or panachee'd) sport or seedling. The Spanish have been more studious and use the term "rimada" in conjunction with various cultivar names.

Regarding the Myrtle genus "Myrciaria" I have always wondered how it is pronounced and now I know thanks to Lorenzi that the 'c' is pronounced like an 's'.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia grafting tables??
« on: September 27, 2018, 11:29:55 PM »

These dendrograms showing the phylogeny of some species might be of help.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: plucking sapodillas
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:19:18 AM »
How did she do with your avocadoes?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: eugenia - sell
« on: September 05, 2018, 12:27:40 PM »
Eugenia angustissima - Needle-leaf cherry... now that is a self-sharpening Eugenia  8)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Carambola tree in a pot?
« on: August 24, 2018, 09:35:45 PM »
and it needs shelter at -18 C during the winter.
understatement of the century  :D

But I am convinced I have finally pinned down the flavor of carambola. It is a fruit version of Brussel sprouts.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peanut Butter tree...B.glandulifera
« on: August 18, 2018, 04:35:46 AM »
The genus Bunchosia does not have dioecious species as far as I know. Most species are quite self-fertile, however I believe one has a high rate of self-sterility: Bunchosia armeniaca. This is the one with taco shaped leaves that have straight edges.
The more common B. glandulifera (with wavy edge leaves) should be self-fertile. These are sometimes mixed up. You could as an experiment hand-pollinate using pollen from another tree. Any other peanut butter tree should work, and maybe even pollen from acerola could work.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Blackberry Jam Fruit/Randia formosa
« on: August 17, 2018, 04:15:57 AM »

Blackberry jam fruit can can grow larger than I expected. The one in this video looks to be about 15 foot.

Good work boys.

Heinrich, I'm glad that the shy-bearing Shinseiki still has honorary status on your soil.

The density of fruits are all around around that of water, such that about half of species float while half sink. At least according to this tricky quiz I found:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Lychees
« on: August 10, 2018, 03:33:56 AM »
After learning that seedling lychee trees can take 8-15 years to fruit, I was wondering what happens if you graft onto a mature tree? Flowers + fruits within 1-2 years as though part of a mature tree? Or does it keep a "memory".

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting avocado tree
« on: August 10, 2018, 03:24:37 AM »
I have kept a terribly rootbound Lamb Hass that is stunted and will not grow just so I can use it for scionwood. But is it possible that it will transfer the same growth habit over to a healthy seedling?

Drain the swamp and Loch her up!

I have raised that issue before ( and thought it was odd that there were no calyxes. Looking at the stem that they mixed in with grumichama foliage, it's clear that it's a Garcinia.

But Daleys are a good nursery. Ordered many items from them. They were just taking a short-cut with the photo. Anyway I ordered an orange grumichama from them 2 years ago, though it still has not fruited.

Good thinking SoCal2warm... because that is exactly what I did. My tree is Doyenne du Comice on Quince A rootstock. I remember reading about this good compatibility and desirable dwarfing result. The thing is, with limited space, I wanted more cultivars and so the tree is espalier and every level is a different cultivar. Beaurre Superfine, Red Williams and Josephene were grafted on levels above the Comice.

I think I am going to try Hosui nashi as the next level and let everyone know how it goes. My tree is quite slow-growing but that is a side-effect of maintaining a semi-dwarf.

According to
"Most Japanese pear varieties are dwarfed about 50% on P. communis rootstock"
and "[Nijisseiki/20th Century] should not be grown on P. Communis rootstock because it is badly dwarfed."

My question is whether there is a Nashi that is minimally affected by P. communis roostock. I want to graft onto a Josephine de Malines espalier. If that works, then the next year I guess I could do Nijisseiki on top of that, because the interstem should no longer dwarf it.
My last contingency would be to use a Chinese White Pear like Ya Li for an interstem, but they are bland from the description I've read.

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