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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya (again)
« on: May 21, 2020, 08:41:02 PM »
I bought a Red Lady plant a few years ago just to try growing it since it was cheap even though I didnít like papaya. After having had the fruit, I will always have a Red Lady or two growing somewhere. I canít imagine a better tasting papaya, theyíre the perfect size, super easy to grow (they fruit much better if you feed and water them but do fine if youíre lazy) and usually available for $10 at Lowes in February or March. I havenít tried growing them from seeds yet (they donít have that many seeds either) but Iíve heard they usually grow true to type. The only problems Iíve had with them have been papaya wasps (those got me bad this year) and them tipping over during storms.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees that thrive in small spaces
« on: May 13, 2020, 09:22:35 PM »
I think papaya is your best bet. They donít get too big and if it dose, just chop it down and replace it.  They are cheap to replace, grow quick and donít make wood so there isnít a stump to deal with. I almost think of them as an annual.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pine Island Mangoes
« on: May 12, 2020, 06:07:04 PM »
Thanks for the heads up!!!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pine Island Mangoes
« on: May 10, 2020, 01:05:36 AM »
How about now?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus greening advice
« on: May 04, 2020, 10:10:16 AM »
Research over the past year at a University of Florida greenhouse in Fort Pierce showed that citrus trees recovered from citrus greening when sprayed and drenched with treated water twice a week for two months. The water was treated by steeping chopped oak leaves in it overnight, allowing leaf compounds to leach out, according to the published findings.

Iím not sure if my trees had greening or not but I tried mulching with oak leaves and spraying with oak leaf tea every three days for around six weeks.  Iím not sure if I treated anything or if I corrected a nutritional problem but my trees leaves looked greener and perkier after just the first treatment. Since the tea is free, easy to make, and safe, I plan on giving my trees a prophylactic treatment every year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pine Island Mangoes
« on: May 03, 2020, 10:58:53 AM »
Is anyone down on Pine Island seeing people selling mangoes yet? I usually make a few trips down every year later in the year and Iíd love to try some early varieties this year but itís a long drive and Iíd hate to make the trip for nothing!

You could try tanglefoot, itís basically DIY flypaper. I wrap a 4-6Ē section of the trunk with flagging tape put a 1Ē band of tanglefoot near the top of the tape (it will slowly drip down the rest of the tape). If the tree is staked or there is another plant touching the canopy youíll need to tanglefoot those and there canít be a way for the ants to go under the tape. It might be a little more work but it works well and I like to avoid using nasty synthetic pesticides if possible.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Taproot
« on: April 28, 2020, 01:08:29 PM »
Oncorhynchus I notice you are in SW FL. Depending on your exact soil type and location if you have a seasonally high water table tree tap roots may terminate at about the level where there is an impermeable layer seen as very dark or even black. You might see this at a road cut or excavation but this is typical of the most common soil in the State.
You can also see it where large trees have been dug out of the ground for land clearing.

The seasonally high water table drowns roots and limits their growth.

The description of Myakka soil sounds a lot like what I have but I donít have a high water table. Iím next to a lake and all my trees are planted on the slope leading to the lake. Iíve dug down pretty deep (around 4 feet) during the wet season and have never been able to hit water, even near the edge of the lake. I do have a layer of clay that could inhibit root growth; itís really easy to dig through when itís wet but when itís dry itís hard as rock. I always try and dig through it to the dark black dirt underneath and break up the clay but Iíve had people tell me thatís the wrong thing to do because Iím effectively creating an in ground pot for my trees and that if I donít break up the clay Iíll get better lateral root growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Taproot
« on: April 27, 2020, 01:22:46 AM »
I was watching a video on grafting mangoes and noticed the grafter cut the taproot off the seedling leaving only fibrous roots and when I planted a few new trees recently (3 gallons), they didnít seem to have taproots.  Is it preferable to cut the taproot off a rootstock? I thought part of the reason for using a seedling over something like air layering was for a strong taproot?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Bagging Fruit
« on: April 22, 2020, 11:36:11 AM »
Hi All,

Whatís your favorite bag for bagging fruit on the tree?  Will any of the mesh bags protect papaya from papaya wasps or is paper the only way to go?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / When To Graft Jackfruit In Florida
« on: April 12, 2020, 01:13:18 PM »
What time of year is best for grafting Jackfruit in Florida? Is there a graft type that seems to work better than others?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's new?
« on: April 10, 2020, 09:06:48 AM »
Oak allelopathy?
Exactly.Oak has a lot of tannins.Not as dangerous as a walnut wich kills even tough grass but it has enough toxins to harm otther trees and plants.
No so sure about that. It has been noted that especially seedling citrus which grew up along with oak trees seem unaffected by greening, bearing good crops with no irrigation, spraying, or fertilization. There seems to be something going on there, have a look at the video to see:

University of Florida has done some testing, albeit in pots and greenhouse using oak leaf extract.

Rather than bringing the oaks to the citrus in a concentrated form  I suspect the anecdotal evidence seen in the video has more to do with an associative effect between forest trees in a forest environment. We know how trees share nutrients through fungal networks and even via root grafting.  Scientifically replicating a long term coexistence over a 10-20 year period is probably beyond most researchers dreams. It may not even be the oak trees making the difference it could just be an environmental factor related more to the forest.
It may also only be possible to see the association if the citrus and forest grow up together. Planting a new citrus tree under an established forest or oak or otherwise is quite different from the citrus growing up in a pioneering position within the forest.

Here is another video by a member here who sees a good effect within an intentionally planted understory:

I saw that study done with oak and citrus and there does seem to be some benefit from the oak leaves. I started spraying my citrus with oak leaf tea a few weeks ago and saw some pretty rapid results (I also mulched them with oak leaves at the same time).  The leaves got darker and perkier almost overnight. There wasnít anything particularly wrong with my citrus, I was mainly doing it as a preventative for greening but I was pretty surprised with the results. I started spraying my other trees with it too and got mixed results. My mangoes and lychee looked a little greener and perkier but not as dramatically as the citrus but it think I may have given my jackfruit seedlings rust spots from getting them wet. I donít know if it had anything to do with the oak or if compost tea would have done the same thing but Iím going to keep playing around with it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / One Jackfruit Seedling Or Two
« on: March 29, 2020, 08:37:53 PM »
Hey All,

Last year I planted a bunch of jackfruit seeds directly into the ground with the plan of grafting a known variety to the seedlings but not cutting the top off the seedlings and leave them as cocktail trees since the fruit they came from was pretty good.  I planted two seeds 6-8Ē apart at each place I wanted a tree figuring that something would happen to a couple of them and Iíd have a better chance of at least one surviving. Well, all of them made it and all of them are looking pretty good so I was wondering if I should change plans and graft to one of seedlings and make it 100% the known variety and leave the other alone or should I stick to my original plan and cull one of each pair? Is there harm in having two sibling trees growing so close together?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Room For Three More Mangos
« on: March 25, 2020, 11:52:05 PM »
Thanks for the input everyone! I had considered Sweet Tart but read that it tastes similar to Venus so I wanted to try something different. Edgar has been high on my list of mangoes I want to taste but I canít find enough information on it to justify planting it without having tried it. Pickering was on the my list of varieties, I may just have to try and find more space lol. Iím pretty sure there is a genetic component to liking Indian mangoes like how to some people cilantro tastes like soap. I like strong flavors, I like all the spices that they are supposed to taste like, I even like strong resinous flavors but mangoes like Carrie and especially Kesar taste like scotch whiskey mixed with ground up pills, cough syrup, and floor cleaner. How you eat your mangoes may also make a difference since I usually scoop the pulp from the skin with a spoon and those flavors are strongest near the skin; if you peel your mangoes you may get less of those flavors.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Room For Three More Mangos
« on: March 24, 2020, 08:44:41 PM »
I have room in my yard for three more mango trees and I was hoping to get a few opinions.  Currently I have a Rosigold, PPK, Fruit Punch, and Venus.  My goal is to have a long spread out season and not a massive glut of mangoes in the middle of summer (although thatís not the worst problem to have) and have a good variety of flavors (Iím not a fan of spicy/Indian mangoes but like pretty much everything else). I plan on trying to keep the trees around 10í.  Currently the three mangoes Iím looking at are Maha Chanok, Cac, and Honey Kiss. I originally chose Venus because I read it was a late season mango but not Iím reading thatís not the case so now Iím looking at Honey Kiss. Cac tastes great and is suppose to be productive and disease resistant but Iíve heard it could be hard to keep it at a reasonable size. Maha tastes great and is suppose to be disease resistant and productive and honestly just looks really cool! Are there any Iím missing out on that would be better?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2020 Mango Season (Florida)
« on: March 23, 2020, 11:04:47 PM »
I picked the last of my early season Rosigolds yesterday and should have a second small crop in a couple months.  This is the first year Iíve let it hold fruit and the fruit has ranged from mediocre to pretty good and surprisingly sweet. It reminds me of the little yellow champagne mangos you get at the grocery store but much prettier!  So far Iíve been really happy with this tree and since I know the first couple crops can be subpar, Iím really excited to see what this tree can do!  Is anyone else picking mangoes or have some ready to pick in the near future?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Paver Base in Potting Mix?
« on: January 16, 2020, 01:51:14 PM »
Iíve been using pool filter sand and have been pretty happy with it.  It has larger grains than most of the other sands commonly available in Florida.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rosigold Flowering Now
« on: October 14, 2019, 02:24:00 PM »
Hey All,

I have a Rosigold Mango that started flowering last week, is this normal for this variety? It has been in the ground for about a year and a half, planted as a three gallon. I tipped it in late August.  I havenít let it Fruit yet but was planning on letting it Fruit next year. Is it worth letting it hold Fruit now?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Refractometer
« on: August 06, 2019, 10:56:06 PM »
Itís used to measure how much ďstuffĒ is dissolved in a liquid by measuring how much light ďbendsĒ when it passes through the liquid. People here are using them to measure sugar using the unit ďbrixĒ but they are also commonly used to measure plasma protein in medicine, the salt content of water, the quality of coolants and a number of other things. You donít need one and Iím a little suspect that the ones people have are not being used correctly all the time. People here are mostly using them for bragging rights but some people are checking the quality of their fruit year to year to better their horticulture practices. I think the best measure of sugar for most people is their tongue; if it tastes sweet and you like it, then the sugar level is correct.

Blood and bone meal work alright and planting rosemary is supposed to help as well.  Excrement from large predators is supposed to work pretty well, youíll just need a pet tiger...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Favorite Wetting Agent
« on: May 24, 2019, 11:55:33 AM »
What is everyoneís favorite wetting agent, surfactant, sticker/spreader (Iím sure there is a difference between these but they seem to be used interchangeably by lay people) for foliar feeding? Right now Iím primarily using Keyplex, epsom salt, and Silica Blast. Is there anything that shouldnít be used with a wetting agent?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Wind Burn
« on: May 13, 2019, 01:09:52 PM »
Thank you for your input! The trees are mulched pretty well and watered with either city water or lake water during late winter/early spring until we start getting consistent rain. Iím moving towards all lake water, in part because lugging a couple buckets of water over is a lot faster than waiting for the soaker hose to do itís thing, but if it helps my trees then all the better! I may try building wind barriers that go all the way around and hope my neighbors donít get too upset...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lychee Wind Burn
« on: May 12, 2019, 11:36:07 AM »
My yard gets a lot of wind, particularly in the spring and itís really taking a toll on my trees, particularly my small lychees that were planted as three gallons last spring. I tried putting up wind blocks made of landscaping fabric which didnít work very well and Iím planning on spraying them with a silica spray, is there anything else I can do to help my trees? Will they stand up to the wind after they have a bit more size on them?

And just can't physically stand cavendish bananas, If I eat even a small portion I throw it again, but maybe this is because pesticides or an allergy problem.

I have the same problem with any grocery store banana, not just Cavendish. They make me feel like I swallowed a bunch of concrete but locally grown bananas are fine.  I think itís either because bananas from the store are picked too early and I canít digest the starches or because of something they are sprayed with. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweetheart Lychee 2019 FL
« on: April 22, 2019, 12:57:53 AM »
Now I want a Sweetheart Lychee tree. :)

I grafted a Hak Ip onto my Brewster or was it Mauritius, I understand Haak Ip is similar to Sweetheart but not the exact same tree as I had initially thought.

With everyone raving on Sweetheart, I may have to get one.

A comparison of Hak Ip and Sweetheart on this forum a while ago

There is a Hak Ip that is different from Sweetheart, but most likely yours isnít.  From what I understand, there was a labeling mix up of a tree used for propagation many years ago that resulted in a bunch of trees being sent out with the wrong name. I asked someone at Fruitscapes if their HakIp and Sweetheart came from the same trees and they said yes.

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