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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Florida grown kratom?
« on: January 07, 2020, 06:28:21 PM »
Interesting! I love to hear about plants history in their origins. I heard Thailand was to make it legal now.
All information in USA about Kratom is anecdotal. no one can trust the info.  It makes me sad.

Here is a starter and here is one thats been in my garage all winter so it looks bad  (blue 5gal bucket)  im not even sure its Kratom

Miraculin is all about the pH.  I thought the same thing when i tried some savory things and just tasted bland.  But to put it in perspective google says that coffee has a pH around 5-6.  Beer would be more acidic than that. Orange Juice is around 3, Lemon Juice can even be 2.  I thought coffee was way more acidic than that. Ive also been told it was, but i guess its not as acidic as i thought.

That might explain your results Carolyn.  I sure hope Noni works.  My little plant (whihc has doubled as my desk plant actually!) is only about a foot tall but its steady growing.  im hoping to get her a big pot and sun.. get me some fruit next autumn. 

Still cant find any Acerola though :(   or any quick fruiting acidic shrubs.

Thats breaks my heart about both..  my track record is usually.. 5 dead trees, 1 really happy one.  maybe you can put out an add like dog owners do.  "fruit trees to pollinate, 10% stud fee"

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: January 07, 2020, 02:21:41 PM »
So we are talking about.. Tissue Rejection.  20 years in the lifespan of hundreds is just a moment.  Some tree injuries take a decade to heal.

what methods do we use to encourage organ acceptance in biology?   does anyone know? if its a basic compound we might be looking at a way to lengthen to life of grafted trees.

how do individual branches go? Those multi citrus trees we see in the news. How do those fare?

Bontanicus.. THAT.. is what im talking about. Quick fruiting, in 1 gallon pots, thats acidic (miracle berry).  Thats one i will be looking into. Hopefully it can handle some Texas cool.
thanks man, thats exciting.

Tsmith, that just makes me even more determined. For the acerola.  You know i heard Guava make really great bushes very trainable and sculptable. And will still fruit.

Lay some Goumi or Goji on them.. or Soh-shang. Supposedly you cant stop those monsters from growing.

Kratom is exceptionally easy to root. I use rockwool, and cheap rooting hormone from walmart.
You can use straight perlite too. Clean dirt.

I'm in Texas,  and use 5 gallon pots. I've gotten them through 2 winters without losing leaves. And neglecting them to be honest

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Successfull zone pushing examples
« on: November 20, 2019, 07:44:55 AM »
It's hard to know what's going to happen with cold. We just dipped to 27 one night last week. My garden some plants were dead by morning, some still green. Right next to each other. (Lost my sword bean, peppers and giant klip dagga).

Iy threw a sheet over the papaya and naranjilla yearlings. Both did fine. Moringa. Even half of my alba moo. Flower survived.

I put the rest in the garage

In regard to miracle berry and cold, I'm growing a variety that came from north Georgia and it fruits for him when it got cold. A north Georgians idea of cold at that.  Not our idea of cold.

That would be great. I'll make a note to take some pics. They are looking really ratty, I lost some interest In them after I got to know the community a little better.  With all the anecdotal and 2nd hand hype. The I've never gotten much from any flour though.

As for kava I should just avoid it. I left my entire list of plants out last night cause it was supposed to high 50s this morning the news says 49.
Peanut butter fruit sprouts.. BlackBerry jam sprouts.. lychee, mango, starfruit Jack fruit, miracle berry,etc etc. Anything as sensitive as cocoa or kava.. nope

It's a fun project, but alot goes into it.
Fungi is weird..the more effort you put into it the more that can go wrong.. but the return is unlike any vegetable.

Perfectly balanced, some wood loving species can grow 20 percent of the substrate weight in fruit. I mean if you cN image 20 percent of an oak trees weight in mushrooms.. it's quite amazing.

But that requires, sterile procedures, perfect mixes, growing rooms, clean growing rooms.

We spend our lives trying inhibits molds from growing. So it takes a little getting used to.

There are Mid Range ways to grow fungi too. That aren't so lavor intensive or prone to failure. Strawbale growing looks really good. Strawbag is really messy, but a little more forgiving.

Personally, I found some baby chanterelles this year. If I find them again I'm going to make a slurry with the fruit. Chanterelles are mycorhizal meaning they need a living tree for symbiosis. slurries are 5 gallons buckets with a sweetener, toss in a few fresh mushrooms and you've made 5 gallons of inoculate. To splash around tree roots. Morels, are like this, so are the famous red cap hallucinogens.

But keep in mind some fungi are straight up parasitic. Chicken of the woods, honey.. they will kill trees. Something to keep in mind when you grow trees

I found when i chew an entire berry the change is too sweet. When I gnaw that skin.
In fact the berries themself become sickenly sweet if I chew them too long.  My Bush makes larger berries than anywhere else I've gotten though, and they are coming right off the plant.  I recommend using half a berry and dispatching it quickly.

I love my oranges on them.  Im planting goji and noni directly due to my miracle berry for this reason. And looking for Soh Shang (goumi, silverberry)

Infact.. I'm looking for any sub acid, generally discarded undesired fruit. I figure miracle berry could make a fruit garden to die for

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Florida grown kratom?
« on: November 20, 2019, 06:25:56 AM »
I think it makes a difference. But it certainly doesn't measure up to hype.  I take a couple window screens and lay leaf between them in the sun.  Then the dried leaves can be crushed very easily. That way I can approximate what kind of amount I'm brewing in comparison to flour.  It will allow me to sleep, and that says quite alot.

Mine are getting crunchy too. I let them get pretty dry in the pots, idk. Take them out when it's warm,  and water so they aren't sitting cold in water.

That's another thing I can thank the kratom community for.. making me root rot and spider mite paranoid.

I am in zone 10 A. The one I have has done really well even though I did everything wrong. I planted it in a deeply shaded area on the north side of a building and did not amend my soil at all. I must say they are very thirsty trees. I used a lot of mulch and fish emulsion mixed with epsom salt. If I could do it again I would dig a large hole weeks in advance and mix peat moss with coffee grinds and mushroom compost.

In the winter they get really dry burned looking leaves. Then once the rains come they get right back to being beautiful.

I thought they were a understory tree in the rainforest. But they are in fact a giant canopy tree that loves sunlight.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Successfull zone pushing examples
« on: October 22, 2019, 03:55:33 PM »
you think it likes the cold? i keep bringing it in during the 50's nights trying to squeak one last crop out of them.

theres a good point to remember about tropics. they arent always hot, they are just the same temp all year.  as an example, i tried to grow Yoco once, and it was more cold delicate than theobroma.. but, it didnt like anything but 80's. Thats not hot at all to me.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: October 22, 2019, 03:51:37 PM »

 id never considered that a graft could have a shorter life span. certainly as short as 15 years. But at the same time.. in random conditions 8 years to fruit, kinda makes it worthwhile.

my seedlings are like 5 inches tall at best.. and raised in spring :(  kinda stunted.

Have you ever gotten scion wood to root? (instead of grafting)

(i also have them confused with sugar apples.. they damn near look identical.  one has silvery underleaf. and one has a brown stem, the other green. i dont know which)


 Theres a much better way. Firstly, new wood is still living, alot of mushroom growers plug them and the spawn are still alive in the dowels while the tree dies. Then its so dense it can take a year to colonize the log.
If you get wood already dead, it may already have several fungi and molds. Then you have island colonies and you wont get the return you want.

Go buy some wood stove pellets.. 40 pounds for dollars.  Mix water with it, break it down into mush.. put it in some ziplock bags. (with some airholes melted in, covered with paper medical tape)  then steam the bag for a couple hours.. then put your Turkey tail spawn in.  when the whole bag is colonized.. cut it open.


Are those both Eugenias?  They do look great! Theres a eugenia called RioGrande.. thats basically where im from so. Thats a really good idea.

that Acerola looks amazing too.. great story behind it. yeah.. thats the one <3
how long does it take Barbados to fruit?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Successfull zone pushing examples
« on: October 22, 2019, 01:29:41 PM »
Im growing a Miracle Berry in Texas.. and it grows like crazy. 

im having problems with it..  but not from its desire to grow. we are having nights that are dipping into the 50's and its still making berry buds.
the leaves are too lime green though. and the baby fruits are dropping.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat from seed
« on: October 22, 2019, 11:25:48 AM »
how well do loquat take graft?  i have a handle full of seedlings too.. would love to graft some scion

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse heating invention
« on: October 22, 2019, 11:17:06 AM »
There are some really neat examples of sub surface heaters used to keep greenhouses warm.

Just a foot or two underground and the dirt is warm in the winter and its cool in the summer. People pipe a coolant though the line up to a standard car radiator with a fan attached.
Its circulates like any other heat exchanger (called venturi i think).  It makes an impact and its passive.

Heat is a little harder to accomplish just from its nature.  Theres a 1000 clever ways to cool things. But heat, you have to subject these atoms to direct contact.

Youre basically doing all you can, be recirculating. Beyond that, all you can do is add more exposure. subject more of the duct to heat,  reduce length NOT subjected to heat. Pipe your furnace exhaust back over the duct. Place the radiant assemblies in or on the house perimeter.

ps the lens you are talking about are called Fresnel lenses.  Which could make a neat passive system perhaps.  If you could mount a fresnel lens in a air tight frame that focused on the back of a heatsink. You could mount the heatsink inside the green house as an element. The truth of the matter is, that sunlight was going to hit the greenhouse anyway. the more apparatus you create the less efficient it becomes.


  Hey Guys,

  Im in Texas, and ive been trying to focus on Heavy Fruiting, Sour Fruits, Quick Bearing (around 2 years), or Usually Ignored Fruits (or even flat out avoided)

  As an example.. here is a list of similar ideas. 

im trying to grow Peanut Butter fruit,
Black berry jam fruits,

Im looking for..
Tree Tomato, real Tamarillo,
other Solanums. 
Soh Shang, or bastard oleaster called silver berry.. Elaeagnus.
Pink Wampee

Thanks for your input

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: October 22, 2019, 08:53:29 AM »
Do PawPaw graft well?  I started my KSU seeds this year.. i wouldnt call them vigorous. But, theres no place to get fruit around here. 9a Texas.

i know this goes against the Fruiting Tree prime directive.. but it breaks my heart having to wait a decade to eat my own fruits.

While on the subject.. i just wanted to say im a tropical and fruiting tree 13th stepper......... (<--- joke)

Are Black Sapote not self fertile?

i always wanted to grow a Mamey or a Wild Cali Black here in SE Texas. How long to fruit bearing age?

Is this actual clove?  common clove is an Ipomoea?

Get you some rockwool, while you wait on buyers. You could bump up the price another few dollars because they are rooted, and still undersell these Kratom Headhunters who beleaguer the community


Hey D, 60f would mean a good fifth of my year in Texas 9a (at least at night)  Does it winter over well? indoors?

I grow Valerian, Klip Dagga (working on my wild Dagga sprouts now), Mitragyna Speciosa (at least what ive been told is), Hibiscus, Cha-om, Miracleberry.. i love medicinals. Never came across anyone willing to sell any Kava cuttings.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Florida grown kratom?
« on: October 22, 2019, 08:10:38 AM »
 I have several growing in 5 gallon pots that manage Texas winters in a garage. 

At first i treated them like babies. The more i learned about the community the less interested i became and the less care i gave them. Its very hard to cut through nonsense in the Kratom community.

Ive been told American Kratom has never tested positive for key alkaloids. Ive been told they wont until they are XXX years old. No one truly knows what they are growing. Or if its actually Mitragyna Speciosa. Its seems like the driving factor of trade isnt pure specimens but kitschy names like Pink Indo, Bumblebee or Rifat. What color the veins are. This has made proper trade anywhere impossible.

i ran across an article a decade before Kratom even gained fringe status that the seed being sold as M.Speciosa was actually M.Parviflora.  Every seller ive spoke to has wildly contradictory information.. and they are all 'right'.

Ive made tea with my leaves and it did make a difference. I probably prune back 10% of the 3 that are largest, and it affords me 2 days worth of tea. For a while i felt tea made with green leaves right off the tree worked better. But these experiences differ from month to month. I dont take processed Kratom regularly and to be honest ive never been very impressed with it. But i still dont think my home made tea compared with processed product.  Unfortunately, theres no way to get at the truth, how to grow your own processed quality Speciosa. Due to the community itself.

The Kratom community is secretive and deceptive. They spread anecdotal, baseless info worse than the Marijuana community (and thats saying alot).

Which is sad, because it really is an important tree that saves lives. Not to mention how fast it grows and how gorgeous it is pruned into a bush

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