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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: They're here!
« on: August 03, 2020, 09:04:44 PM »
Congrats!! Looks delicious!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Real cherilata
« on: August 03, 2020, 12:33:47 AM »
Joe, most likely a seed from fino or Dr. white cross with reticulate . John Travis hybridized anona is reticulate x cherimoya or Atemoya which equals a retimoya NOT a Cherilata. This is a true Cherilata ( cherimola x reticulata), cherimoyas don't preform well in Florida.....they probably flower and set fruits but end up dropping. I have friends in Miami growing cherimoyas and the results have been malformed inedible anonas.

Pierce is Accepted as the ultimate anona with a rating of 10 then the Cherilata is 5 and the JT retilata 3 or 4. Iíll compare the retilata vs Cherilata in a few year when i fruit both.

Didn't the FL grower say in previous threads that it was (likely 'Spain') cherimola x 'Tikal' reticulata?

Yes... but for some reason it's constantly ignored.

Frank, I believe you are confusing John Travis Morton with John Painter unless he hybridized an annona as well?

LOLz John Painter's Cherilata a 3 or 4... ::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID on this Plinia
« on: August 01, 2020, 12:15:42 PM »
That's CambucŠ!

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Must be out of season, probably local farmers not harvesting till weather change ??
Most likely, hopefully they will have some soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me choose some mango varieties!
« on: July 28, 2020, 07:42:00 PM »
I always take the seed out of the husk and put the seed in between damp
paper towels for a few days and let it germinate. I think it makes the process go
quicker but be careful you don't chip part of the seed when you remove it from the
husk. I noticed some seeds fill the husk completely and I cut the edge off with
good scissiors until I can get my fingers in and pry apart. Some husks the seed fills
about 3/4 of the husk and you can cut apart the empty section and pry easy. I just
started 16 turpentines and they fill the husk completely and I broke a few seeds

I produced 6 sweet tarts this year and was really impressed with the flavor.
I also just ate about 8 Carries this past week and I like those too. Both I would suggest
trying first hand before you plant.

This works but have had 100% germination just taking the seed out and planting it in dirt this year... I kept having mold issues with the paper towel method last year. Some rain water and it only takes a few days here...

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Gonna finally get to taste some M4's in a day or so and then I'll let you know how I feel about them...

Suagrloaf was fantastic and I had an unripe one but that was the only one I tried so far.

Phoenix was amazing had a bunch so far.

M4 is on the platter for tomorrow and the next day.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: m-4 mango fruit
« on: July 28, 2020, 07:26:24 PM »
I had to thin m4 at least half the fruit on that poor tree .It still put out 35lbs on young tree.That's like sweet tart they over set and then they are small.
 At my dads age what makes him the most happy and light up his whole demeanor is eating mangos! and that gives me great joy.

Exciting that it stands to be a heavy producer if it keeps it up, it woukd be depressing getting only a few mangos of something so top tier.

I heard you had a turtle who was craving some Cobbler? Did he clean you out?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: m-4 mango fruit
« on: July 28, 2020, 05:02:39 PM »
Jabba just missed you!
M4 surprised me they were ripening up on the tree,not much change in color change.Lost two on the ground and ate part of one right off the tree ,saved the rest for my dad.My dad just kept saying delicious  delicious ...    That mango is sweeeet!! rich!

Couldn't believe how large they were! We're so excited to try these. I have a feeling they will be mind-blowing.Glad they got the stamp of approval from your Dad, must be something else!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: m-4 mango fruit
« on: July 28, 2020, 01:54:43 PM »
Ooh m4's!!! We'll be over in a few minutes.

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check with forum member Lebmung. I got a nice piece from him, and from another person on Etsy. Both are growing well now.
Hi Jabba

I recommend finding a Middle Eastern Indian market for the white turmeric and save your kitchen from turning yellow hehehe

Happy Gardening !
P J, the Dirt Diva


Thanks for the recommendations! I found a market who sells white but of course they were out.

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Please mark us down for a 15 pack of those pumpkin papaya seeds!

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Sorry about the wait for my response, to make sure this isn't some sort of knee-jerk reaction to a mindless "fuck you", I waited a while to decide if this has actually been an experience so unpleasant that I should even respond.

His kindness has been pushed beyond limits? I get harassed and berated, called an idiot, a cheap bastard, told to go fuck myself and fuck off numerous times. For what?
For asking why the shipping is relatively expensive, and with good reason. Most people do not receive cuttings in 30 inch boxes. It is completely and absolutely inane for him to flip his shit (pun intended) due to the fact that some random customer asks what he's packaging cuttings in.
TWO FOOT CUTTINGS ARE NOT INDUSTRY STANDARD. Especially with Spaugh, I had absolutely no reason WHATSOEVER to think that he would be sending me large cuttings in any way, shape or form due to the fact that he literally made a post explaining the fact that he will not sell larger cuttings
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I dont have huge pieces to sell.  I'm supplying you with the genetics
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=39648.msg392025#msg392025.
It certainly would be a nice gesture if he legitimately intended to give me a two foot cutting. Even so, instead of throwing a tantrum and sending "angry photos" all this could have been avoided by saying something along the lines of "hey, I'm sending you a two foot cutting so shipping will be a little bit more expensive than usual".
If so many people are asking you about shipping, that you get infuriated when somebody asks even the slightest question, maybe the problem is not them. I have received 6 inch cuttings inside padded envelopes, other sellers have set a precedent for that. If you are not comfortable sending any cuttings that way, then COMMUNICATE and don't shun potential customers.
Who won in this?
What was the point. Did Spaugh win? No. He just lost out on money, and somebody that could (and would)  become a recurring customer. Did I win? No. I've missed out on the possibility of buying many interesting plants. Spaugh, next time you get a message, think about the business first, and your emotions second. Nobody is better off from this.


I normally wouldn't let people talk to me like that and still do business with them but it's obvious there was a misunderstanding.

Brad is legit and sends great materials that are really hard to find elsewhere. Never dissapointed when we get anything from him. He apologized for the misunderstanding. (It is irking when somebody tells you how to run your business that you run perfectly.) I would take your opportunity on a redo and make up or it will be your loss for sure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Future's Florida Fruit Feast Vol 10
« on: July 16, 2020, 01:55:54 AM »
Is it too late to hold on hope that Creme Brulee breaks into the top 10 this year?

This brings to what didn't happen in 2020.  I had pretty low expectations based on the early season end, inability to travel to florida.  I was guesstimating being able to secure 25 varieties.  Had to dig deep and do quite a lot of driving.  Good people helped me secure 56 varieties so far.
 The perennial flavor bombs not included among them include Po Pyu Kalay, Creme Brulee, Super Alphonso, Golden Queen, Ivory, Mesk, Mario, P22, Yi Xuan, Mun Khunsee, Kryptonite, Mesk, Rapoza, Bombay...to name a few.

But make no mistake, with thanks, we've score some amazing delights this year.

There is no Kryptonite, its Kathy (Richard Campbell had no right to name (or rename) someone else's mango).

Rob. How have you been man?

Yes, we are aware of the double naming. We are agnostic to the politics of not all..but Kryptonite sounds sexier than Kathy.

Separately, reminds me, I wonder what name Dr. Campbell came up with last summer - with consent this time - for M- 10 and M-17.
Maybe  Kylight and Vibranium
I'm going to breed a mango just to name it Lex Luthor... I'm going to make sure it starts super sweet then turns to pure cat piss in your mouth! Surprise!!!! :-X   :'(

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This guy shiftflipper was going to get some hard to get scions and cuttings then complained about the 12$ shipping to northern CA. 

I dont make money on shipping.  In fact Im losing money at that cost between postage, box and packing material, 15min drive both ways to the post office from my ranch in BFE. 

I pay 100s of dollars to import hard to get stuff from overseas and hawaii.  Pay inspections fees, small fortune for the plant material, expensive shipping, grow out the plants and make them available to people here.  Then this guy complains about 12$ postage cost.  Unbelieveable. 

No cuttings for you.


I don't understand what universe these people live in where they think shipping is cheap... you are looking at 8 dollars minimum just for small flat rate which most things don't even fit.. that's not including your packing materials or gas or time spent at post office. People can't even appreciate what you have gone through to acquire the often times rare species you have let alone comprehend simplicities such as shipping. To those that think shipping is so cheap please let us in on your secrets!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Potentially Huge News for Citrus
« on: July 10, 2020, 04:20:12 PM »
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Potentially Huge News for Citrus
« on: July 10, 2020, 04:18:10 PM »
Fake news, Fake news!!!! There are no cures for diseases just cut and burn all your citrus immediately as it is your duty! ::)  :P

Always wondered about grafting onto greening resistant rootstock but this could have a similar effect! Very exciting. A few of us knew it would be fine, that we would just have to wait it out for somebody who could profit off this to make a "real cure"

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Pm sent

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I love your post brother LOL!! I'm gonna pm you!

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Just watched video again and Wow Excellent quality content you guys, Thankyou Adam and John great video!

thank my brother Evan, he spent like 20 hours editing it...and was over it from 30 minutes into it...

This has got to be among the best Jaboticaba videos in existence...you guys are ballin' out with plinia species!! :-*

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The question is like asking for papaya with extra nasturtium taint,extra sour passionfruit,durian with extra rotten onion taste or star fruit with extra oleic acid.Why not just take standard mango and add a few drops of hydrocarbon? I dont get the turpentine thing in American mangoes and in fact neither does south east Asia or Australia.

Lol love the descriptions!! Papaya definitely has that Nasturtium black pepper taste to it, especially the seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: July 01, 2020, 04:13:46 PM »
This thread, lol...

Because I love ya'll, will share this:

Eating less meat and animal product as one ages is associated with many health benefits.

Based upon what I've read, my goal is to have less than 10% of my dietary intake come from meat or animal protein.

As one gets close to 50 years of age, more meat intake is associated with increased risk of health problems, including heart disease and cancer. While these risks already exist, they amp up on the older person.

Our metabolisms and needs change with age.

Eliminating processed foods, and especially processed meats, is part of the plan as well.

Eating natural, fresh, and minimally processed, with no or limited artificial ingredients or preservatives, is probably a good idea.

...and regarding "too much fruit harms society ?" what I have to say is this: Fruit is a powerful thing. It should be treated with respect. So much is wasted. It is a poorly managed resource that could benefit the world much more.

I don't know anyone with problems related to eating too much fruit. Just haven't run across them yet. Most people don't eat much fruit anyway.

Don't forget diverse veggies!

Anything can be overdone. Eat too many carrots and you might orange up, drink too much water and your brain swells, eat too much meat and get the gout and eventually maybe heart disease or cancer.

Balance

Balance is absolutely key in everything. However, having said that there is no age that meat starts becoming more detrimental to health, you simply see the effects faster because your cells are more degenerated. Same effect by the same cause, because you don't notice the ill effects younger doesnt make it any less unhealthy. I just find it amusing when people say something has a certain age it starts becoming unhealthy... that is arbitrary.

You were even mentioning eating too much meat can lead to gout, heart disease, and cancer right? Well these processes don't fly out of the air overnight, it is cause and effect over a long period of time, not once you hit a certain age. You eat the meat and it damages cells or causes acidosis, you don't notice this until you see the symptoms, doesn't mean it was healthier because you were younger and symptoms didn't present themselves yet!

Just trying to get people thinking about cause and effect of everything...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: July 01, 2020, 08:13:45 AM »
Jabba the hut,plants dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,, .
These are found only in animal byproducts and in bacteria and algae.
Algae are not plants for the matter .
And talking about bad rotting smells ,the bad smell that comes from rotting meat ,its due to the essential aminoacids being turned into amines.
These amines are bad smelling substances with names like cadaverine,putrescine,etc.
Plant matter doesnt smells bad when it rots due to the fact that it doesnt contains these essential aminoacids.
This is just to inform you not to tell you or vegans what aminoacids you should eat .Its science and organic chemistry.
If you want to take essential aminoacids you can get them from algae but algae are not plants ,they are protists so its not vegan and when it rotts it smells exactly like meat.
As i said,i have raw vegans friends that eat only raw plants and i respect them even thogh i eat meat every day .
I dont open the can of worms about B12 vitamin thats not found in plants and how vegans will get to take it as injectable solution after a few years of being vegan.
Forum is about fruit turned to alcohol wich kills a quarter of the population of a country.

Ok, but what breaks the meat down in the first place to produce these chemical reactions? Bacterium. Anaerobic bacterium like e. Coli, Samonella, b. Proteus, Staph. Of course most of these bacteria can also survive and switch to aerobic but the point is the same. Fruit goes through fermentation and doesn't bring in the gnarly bacteria you see in rotten putrefactive environments like dead flesh. You see more fungal breakdown like molds in fruit.

While we are speaking of microorganisms, guess what B12 is produced by? Bacteria! Gut bacteria can synthesize B12 even though it is mostly in the colon which still has an immense amount of absorption capability if we'd only stop impacting it with fecal matter from putrefactive sources in the first place. So outside of synthesizing you have soil microbes that also produce B12 but most people are too overly concerned with "hygiene" and kill their source of natural B12 on their foods. Not to mention all the Roundup and other chemicals sprayed in our soils that don't allow proper soil microbial symbiosis to occur in the first place. Why don't we just blame it all on the fruit?! ::)

Jabba you are arguing with someone that says plants donít have amino acids. You can obtain all your amino acids from plants. Cholesterol is the deficiency in plants.. Iím not a vegan but it really canít be disputed that plants are good for overall health. You only need to look at the overall health of America to acknowledge how wrong the recommended diet has been.

I don't understand where he is coming up with this craziness... talk about fake propaganda! It has to be purposeful, there is no way you can really think some of these things.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: June 30, 2020, 11:41:35 PM »
No living organism can use fructose on its own.
All life forms work on glucose.
Just google wikipedia or something about this and you will learn more.
Also google about the essential aminocids as those are in particular avoided( hated) by vegans.
You will learn more about nutrition.

I understand the Krebs cycle... from A&P classes for premed. I don't need ComradeWalnut's google search tips... I might go crazy and end up cutting down all my trees since you know, fruit is bad for you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: June 30, 2020, 11:26:44 PM »
Jabba the hut,plants dont have the ,,essential aminoacids,, .
These are found only in animal byproducts and in bacteria and algae.
Algae are not plants for the matter .
And talking about bad rotting smells ,the bad smell that comes from rotting meat ,its due to the essential aminoacids being turned into amines.
These amines are bad smelling substances with names like cadaverine,putrescine,etc.
Plant matter doesnt smells bad when it rots due to the fact that it doesnt contains these essential aminoacids.
This is just to inform you not to tell you or vegans what aminoacids you should eat .Its science and organic chemistry.
If you want to take essential aminoacids you can get them from algae but algae are not plants ,they are protists so its not vegan and when it rotts it smells exactly like meat.
As i said,i have raw vegans friends that eat only raw plants and i respect them even thogh i eat meat every day .
I dont open the can of worms about B12 vitamin thats not found in plants and how vegans will get to take it as injectable solution after a few years of being vegan.
Forum is about fruit turned to alcohol wich kills a quarter of the population of a country.

Ok, but what breaks the meat down in the first place to produce these chemical reactions? Bacterium. Anaerobic bacterium like e. Coli, Samonella, b. Proteus, Staph. Of course most of these bacteria can also survive and switch to aerobic but the point is the same. Fruit goes through fermentation and doesn't bring in the gnarly bacteria you see in rotten putrefactive environments like dead flesh. You see more fungal breakdown like molds in fruit.

While we are speaking of microorganisms, guess what B12 is produced by? Bacteria! Gut bacteria can synthesize B12 even though it is mostly in the colon which still has an immense amount of absorption capability if we'd only stop impacting it with fecal matter from putrefactive sources in the first place. So outside of synthesizing you have soil microbes that also produce B12 but most people are too overly concerned with "hygiene" and kill their source of natural B12 on their foods. Not to mention all the Roundup and other chemicals sprayed in our soils that don't allow proper soil microbial symbiosis to occur in the first place. Why don't we just blame it all on the fruit?! ::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too much fruit harms society ?
« on: June 30, 2020, 11:04:19 PM »
I have bottles of wine from 3 years ago when I am invited somewhere I walk with a bottle or two to share. Anybody want to invite me to dinner?
I hear the large tub beginning to boil... Yep, your gonna make one cannibal Very Happy....

Just kidding. But, since you dive, I like to invite people to go with me.... I'm always looking for something fresh for trolling.... Just kidding again... lol...

I haven't had a glass of my homemade wine in over 3 months... But I'm rapidly getting into a silly mood desirous of more silliness. By the way, I've eaten A LOT Of FRUIT TODAY.... Soooo let's see the Topic... AAAH::: Too much fruit harms society ?.............. Sure It's the Fruit's Fault.... lol.... It's the perfect reply for SeaWalnut....
Fructose from fruits its almost equal with alcohol and it damages the liver same way as alcohol.
If you feed a human or a kid mainly on sweet fruits it will get cirrhosis similar to cirrhosis from alcohol.
Fructose needs to be breaked down by the liver just like alcohol and we can only process 60 grams of fructose a day.

Eating a lot of sweet fruits can be as harmfull as drinking alcohol.
Its just science and if you do a basic google search about fructose ,youl see im right.
Sugar from supermarket bag its more healthy than fructose from fruit but we dont eat fruits especially for the fructose only.
If i fed my bees fructose they have a 9 days lifespan while from eating crystal sugar from a bag they can live up to 2 months.
At least if we grow fruits that in excess can damage the liver same way as alcohol,then alcohol i think its a better option .

The forum its not about trolling fruits but about being aware of the legacy you can leave to your family future generations by planting a lot of fruit trees( orchards).

Sea Walnut, you must've gone to the Stalin Institute of Science...

This is among the biggest piles of bullcrap I have ever seen.

Fructose is damaging to the body?!

Our cells run on Carbon not Nitrogen(Protein), they literally need sugar mixed with oxygen to produce Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP) which is what our cells use as energy. The simplest of sugars happens to be Fructose, not a processed disaccharide such as table sugar. How in the world would that ever be healthier for anything?

Even Glucose (vegetable sugar) is an inferior sugar as it needs insulin to carry it across the cell membrane wall to be able to produce energy. The simpler the sugar the easier the body can produce energy, the less metabolic strain is placed on cells.

Jabba The Hutt....... You lived in freezing ass Lockport NY and now you are in prime mango growing Florida territory. It is imposible to be a vegan in Lockport but Florida maybe. I love the vitamin D intake when I go outside here in FL. Wearing a t-shirt or not, the sun making vitamin D for us all is something else. And we all know vitamin D is very anti-Covid virus.

Unfortunately - all vegans hit the wall. Eventually. My advice to them is that when they cave, eat white meat fish like cod and flounder. Or any kind of fish. Become a pescatarian for a while, while you figure out what to do next.

Zands, I was addicted to food more than anyone I have ever talked to. Even if I still lived in NY, cold weather would never make me put another piece of meat in my mouth nor another dairy product... those foods literally were killing me. I have no desire to kill myself with foods I don't need just to make everybody else who is addicted to meats and dairy (usually cheese) feel better about it.

If everybody thinks they will die from not eating meat 3 times a day I don't know what to tell those people other than I reverse my health problems eating the way I do. All I ever hear is crying about all the have health issues that are "irreversible" from anybody eating a Standard American Diet so I'll stick with what I know to be true.

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