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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold tolerance of cherimoyas
« on: October 26, 2020, 03:18:06 PM »
Hello, I plan on moving out to a place where its zone 8, but I still want to bring my trees with me. How cold can cherimoya trees tolerate? I want to grow cherimoyas

Thanks

Zone 8? 8a or 8b?
Anyway without protection i dont think its possible to grow cherimoyas in zone 8b and bellow.
They should be ok with brief periods of 26F (i dont believe anything colder would be ok)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best White Sapote Variety? (California)
« on: October 25, 2020, 02:04:04 PM »
Always interesting to have a discussion on a favorite fruit, car, politician, etc.  Seems like one needs to gather a bunch of scionwood varieties, graft them on a single tree, in a given environment, water accordingly, and sample the fruit.  I was fortunate to participate in the collection of Bob Chambers' scionwood extravaganza and have sampled many of the varieties mentioned.  Most are grafted on existing trees (they graft as easily as apples, very forgiving).  In my opinion most are too sweet (like cherimoyas).  I prefer one that has ripened on the tree, has fallen, and is warmed by the sun.  It reminds me of custard.  Cut into large pieces and dried in my dehydrator, they are an excellent dried fruit which I use when backpacking.  One of my trees is over 40 years old (Pike/Vernon/Nettie) and is a true giant.  Grafted on a yellow sapote (Casimiroa tetrameria) it is a managable size about the size of a peach tree. I would not plant one near the house/septic tank/walkway.  At least they are quite drought resistant.

How does the dryed fruit compare to the fresh? Any new flavours develop?
Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best White Sapote Variety? (California)
« on: October 25, 2020, 12:27:40 AM »
Hard to explain taste but size varies from small 2" diameter up too 3" diameter color yellow to yellow with some lime green when ripe. Taste is sweet but not as complex of a flavor as Vernon. Also taste depends on ripeness when over ripe can go into semi-rich caramel flavor.

Thank you very much!
So Vernon has the richest caramel like flavour in your opinion ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best White Sapote Variety? (California)
« on: October 24, 2020, 04:02:57 PM »
Vernon is a very rich tasting fruit, nies can be excellent if leaf on tree till close to ripe, santa cruz, and more bland side suebelle which if true variety should have some fuzz on bottom side of leaf. Many nurseries sell suebelle but not true variety which was mixed up long ago so look for woolly underside on leaf for true suebelle. Lemon gold is supposed to be good one and cuccio is also good. It all depends on what you can find in area best of luck.

Could you describe santa cruz fruit? Size, colour and taste?

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In 15-30 days i will take out 1 acre of olive trees (that produce nothing), add irrigation and prepare the soil for next spring. Already done soil analysis.
It is a nice slope with southern exposure and protection from the north.
I will add 80 citrus trees (all different varieties), several white sapote, cherimoya and pawpaw seedlings that i will graft in 2022 and longan, lychee and guava plants.
It will be the first "organised" planting of fruits trees other than grape vines and olive trees so i am really looking forward to it  ;D

That sounds like an awesome project. If we were under normal circumstances and I didn't think I would just be in your way. I would volunteer to come and help you. I like the sound of lychee guava and grapes. If you could find a protected area within your citrus to plant one mango tree that would be spectacular.


I could try one mango, but maybe a cost free seedling and if it survives i could graft it. I have a 2.5 acre land in Paros (Greek island in the Aegean sea) zone 11a and i have already planted some seedling mangoes last december that didnt even notice the winter. So mangoes, sapodilla, canistel are going to be planted there.

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In 15-30 days i will take out 1 acre of olive trees (that produce nothing), add irrigation and prepare the soil for next spring. Already done soil analysis.
It is a nice slope with southern exposure and protection from the north.
I will add 80 citrus trees (all different varieties), several white sapote, cherimoya and pawpaw seedlings that i will graft in 2022 and longan, lychee and guava plants.
It will be the first "organised" planting of fruits trees other than grape vines and olive trees so i am really looking forward to it  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best White Sapote Variety? (California)
« on: October 21, 2020, 04:44:44 AM »
So I've been looking at all the white sapote posts, but it seems like there's no clear white sapote winner.
Has anyone tried enough varieties to say one they like best? I don't like the bitterness that some varieties have.

This is a very interesting subject, i have the same problem with finding out what is the best in California like climate.
But what would you consider best,
Best pulp/seed ratio, texture, fruit size?
Or purely best taste, with some distinct flavours?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: COLD HARDY LYCHEES & LONGANS
« on: October 20, 2020, 09:34:49 AM »
Yes and minimum chill to induce flowering is a pretty good guide and yeah 4c or 5c sounds about right.

Thank you very much for the info!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: COLD HARDY LYCHEES & LONGANS
« on: October 20, 2020, 09:10:25 AM »
As a general rule look at the order of harvest and the later they are the more cold tolerant the variety.
Order of Harvest of Lychees Chinese Names. The lower on the list the more cold tolerant. Sum yee hong is yook ho pow, tai so is Mauritius,souey tung is groff,kwai mai pink is the same as Bosworth and should have been at the top of the list.

Sum Yee Hong
Souey Tung
Bah Lup
Fay Zee Siu
Tai So
Haak Yip
Kwa Lok
Chong Yun Hong
Tim Naan
Sai Kok Zee
Heong Lai
No Mai Chee (standard)
Seong Sue Wai
Ah Neong Hai
Soot Wai Zee
Wai Chee

So Wai chee is the most cold tolerant of the above? And the differences are minor, or Kwai mai pink (as you said top of the list) could be 4-5F more sensitive than Wai Chee?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: COLD HARDY LYCHEES & LONGANS
« on: October 20, 2020, 07:45:17 AM »
Have always heard the opposite and in my experience longans are far more sensitive than lychees. I am in 9B and longans are borderline trees. Mine stayed alive but barely grew while my lychees do really well.

Hmm.. I see conflicting evidence all over the web.
And in my personal experience,
I started about 200 longan seedlings and 100 or so lychee seedlings last summer, and scattered them all throughout different microclimates on the property (slightly different elevations, full sun and full shade, some more exposed to wind and frost than others).. none grew over a foot in height when winter came about. We got about 12 brief frosts this past winter (lowest temp 27 F) and not a single longan that I observed suffered any frost damage. However about half the seedling lychees had significant damage to their leaves (However I think much of this damage occured in the first cold event when it dropped from 85 F to 40 F in 6 hours. Not much further damage seemed to occur when actual frosts started to hit, because the plants were acclimated by then..)
So, I don't know yet. Maybe longans are more frost tolerant but more sensitive lower temps (which is a separate factor than frost)..? I'll likely find out in the years to come..

Also what are some Chinese longan varieties? Does Kohala have Chinese heritage?

Having just bought 2 longan trees, what were the first winter results (frost damage) on both longan and lychee seedlings regarding sun exposure and wind?

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Wild asparagus
« on: October 19, 2020, 04:38:15 PM »
here in Greece we have so so much wild asparagus! each day i collect around one kg since the beggining of March. It is the most common weed.
But it is not the variety in your photo. It has a way stronger taste, its thin and also the plant has spikes

What do you do with the spikes? Do they soften when cooked?

Wild asparagus has spikes only when the plant has began branching. The harvested asparagus in the photo have just srpouted so no spikes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overrated Tropical Fruits
« on: October 19, 2020, 03:47:24 PM »
Black sapote
Wax jambu
Jabos
Dragon fruit (for their taste, not superfood status)
Miracle fruit
Many types of guavas

couldn't agree more with Dragon fruit and Jabos. Though both are really impressive. Jabos are good but grapes (some varieties) are better. And grapes give a lot of fruit and are mostly care free. Dragon in my opinion is really promising from its looks but dissapoints... Even the yellow one...
I can agree with grapes being better tasting. Especially the ones that cost $25 for one bunch ::) But who doesn't love fruits that grow off the tree trunk :)

Yes its something special! It is one reason to try jabos, same with dragon for the looks and for me guavas for the aroma. (so far i dont like the texture and lack of intence flavour on the ones i have tasted)
I believe there are many things more than purely the taste when planting something.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overrated Tropical Fruits
« on: October 19, 2020, 11:54:36 AM »
Black sapote
Wax jambu
Jabos
Dragon fruit (for their taste, not superfood status)
Miracle fruit
Many types of guavas

couldn't agree more with Dragon fruit and Jabos. Though both are really impressive. Jabos are good but grapes (some varieties) are better. And grapes give a lot of fruit and are mostly care free. Dragon in my opinion is really promising from its looks but dissapoints... Even the yellow one...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: white sapote bark split in half
« on: October 15, 2020, 09:06:52 AM »
Carve the two wound surfaces, then quickly bind them back together.  You can leave a couple of millimeters opening at the very bottom of the wrapping to drain excess moisture.

Thanks! i will do that.
Should i be worried about the winter? (because of this injury to loose the variety?)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: white sapote bark split in half
« on: October 15, 2020, 08:35:21 AM »
If you put the branches back together before the wound dried out, you can wrap it with plastic for a couple of months, to retain moisture and promote healing, and add some strap or duct tap over the plastic.  If the plastic won't be shaded well as is, cover it with paper or a leafy pruned  branch.

It has been left 2 days... And the right branch touched the ground so it has probably already dried. The problem is with the winter in the upcoming months... wont the moisture cause rot when the temps are close to 30F?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: white sapote bark split in half
« on: October 15, 2020, 03:48:57 AM »
This poor tree is having a lot of trouble  :'(
We had pretty strong winds 2 days ago and the plant splited in half... Thankfully above the graft but still looks bad.
There is no sign of weakening the plant but i am not sure how this will affect the plant in the future and specifically during the winter.
I brought the two branches together and i would like some advice on what should i do.
Here are some pics from today.










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: white sapote deficiency
« on: October 15, 2020, 03:41:01 AM »
Possibly a deficiency in Sulfur or Calcium.

I suggest applying gypsum (calcium sulfate) and a full fruit-tree or palm fertilizer, high in micro-nutrients.

Thank you for your advice!
I did what you said and the problem got fixed  ;D



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / white sapote bark split in half
« on: September 26, 2020, 09:04:07 AM »
Does anyone have any idea what deficiency is this? Fe, Mg ? what causes this leaf issue? And should i do something or its normal when small plants push too much growth?







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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Whats all the hype about Bergamont?
« on: September 16, 2020, 03:40:34 AM »
Here in Greece is one of the must have citrus trees! More than grapefruits, kumquats etc.
I does the most amazing sweet! Search greek bergamont sweet recipe.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: whats wrong with my tangelo?
« on: September 14, 2020, 03:36:17 PM »
Sometimes it is things you just don't think of. I know the first water out of my hose is scalding hot sometimes when the hose has been left out.

Yes indeed. The problem is that my water pipe for those plants is on the surface.. so scandling hot for many minutes.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: whats wrong with my tangelo?
« on: September 11, 2020, 01:39:26 AM »
and i just found what the problem was...
The auto irrigation for somereason had changed from morning to afternoun and the water that was falling was boiling hot... ( you could not even touch it). I am glad the plant survived this  :P

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Citrus trees
« on: September 11, 2020, 01:37:21 AM »
Hello Luis, i would like to ask you how do you protect your more sensitive citrus such as buddha hand citron in the winter? You get quite lower temps than the ones it should tolerate
Hello my friend, how are you? I never got any problem with my citrus trees regarding low temp. The budda's hand lemon is planted on ground with no protection.
The only citrus that suffers with cold temp is the Chandler pomelo, but it recovers well and fruits every year...

Hello Luiz, i am fine! Thank you very much for your answer. I will definately try citrons now  ;D

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5. "Arkin" carambola (store bought greenish)
4. Kiwi fruit
2. Tangelo
3. "Tommy Atkins" Mango (imported, picked early, preferred)
1. Red Delicious Apple

any specific tangelo variety? or in general tangelos?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Citrus trees
« on: September 08, 2020, 01:43:18 AM »
Hello Luis, i would like to ask you how do you protect your more sensitive citrus such as buddha hand citron in the winter? You get quite lower temps than the ones it should tolerate

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: whats wrong with my tangelo?
« on: September 05, 2020, 07:22:14 AM »
Looks like dense soil with a high clay content and the tree is in a bit of a hole. If so did you loosen the area around it? When you plant trees flush or proud or with a shelter does the same the same thing happen? Most fruit trees are not fans of puddles/wells and if fertiliser is accumulating in a ring around the stem it isn't ideal also.

Of course the area around it has loose soil. The soil ph is indeed high but this tangelo compaired to the other citrus i planted yuzu, pomelos etc is doing a lot worse.
Yesterday i saw many buds starting to grow. So maybe it will be healthy again soon.
My only option was to put it in a hole like that.
Because of the slope and the fast draining water not even weeds grow there, unless i do what i have done

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