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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Giant LauLau experience
« on: December 11, 2018, 10:25:51 AM »
I haven't heard anything good about the fruit. I have one in the ground and it is absolutely beautiful. It is planted pretty close to some other higher priority trees. I am hoping to get it to fruit and see how it handles some pruning to keep it in bounds. It was rare enough for me to keep it around a plant it out in my limited space.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multigraft Annona harvest
« on: November 20, 2018, 10:19:34 AM »
Thanks everybody!

You’ve done a great job fruiting my varieties. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Frank. So many great opportunities on the Tropical Fruit Forum. I have learned and killed a lot. Do you have any info on the RH-1 you would like to share? History, parents, breeder... I see I tried to graft a RH-20 cherimoya as well but that didn't make it.


How long from graft to fruit?

Please let us know about the flavor and other differences. Wondering which varieties taste best in FL.

The African Pride was just grafted February 17th, 2018. I grabbed the budwood from TREC.

The Giant Yucatan squamosa from JF was grafted January 26, 2018.

The other stuff was spring 2017 and 2016 from JF.

Calostro tastes great and seems to grow and fruit really well here but the only negative is that is gets some hard parts around the seeds.

It is hard to judge since everything is so multigrafted. The only bad fruit I had was a Calostro with somewhat extreme metaxenia that had a lot of hard, dark growth around the seeds. It could have had any sort of Annona pollen that made it go mutant. I started separating my species pollen now but I still haven't fruited an Ilama, reticulata or rollinia here yet. It seems any home grown Atemoya/squamosa is pretty damn good. I have tasted some underwhelming reticulata before.

Beautiful fruit! Please let us know how they taste for you. Which one is your favorite? I’m especially interested in how the apinks Mammoth tastes since our Australian friends hold it in high esteem.


The Pinks Mammoth is good. It seems to be productive here but it is hard to tell since everything is multigrafted and I hand pollinate.  I'll try to post it's own thread when I did in They are all pretty good honestly. I haven't tried the Arka Sahan or the African Pride yet.

Why your AP looks like a cherimoya and your PM looks like AP?

I'm guessing metaxenia. There is so much mixed up different pollen that I hand pollinate with. First I go through and collect from the males, mix it up and pollinate the females. I also save the pollen. The last picture is all Pinks Mammoth and you can see the difference in shapes. Annonas tend to vary a lot in my experience.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / RH-1 Atemoya
« on: November 19, 2018, 12:50:19 PM »
I just ate my first RH-1. Soft flesh. Excellent balanced flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Multigraft Annona harvest
« on: November 19, 2018, 12:43:46 PM »
From left to right: Arka Sahan, RH-1, African Pride, Giant Yucatán, Pink’s Mammoth, Big Green

Mine is about 6 ft tall, but no fruit yet.  Next year?

Cool! Have you tried grafting or airlayering it? I wonder if it is compatible with C. tetrameria or C. edulis.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JUNGLE SOP helpless!!
« on: November 18, 2018, 02:02:02 PM »
They grow a large tuberous root first and then shoot up growth. It can take a while. I managed to kill all of mine.

Me too! I contacted some park out in Texas that used to sell seed but they never got back to me.

Hahahahhaha! So rad. Florida seems to make fun size Annonas, at least in my yard.

Beautiful Josh!
You have a ways to go to 1-2 kilos

I’ll post trees some 10 meters!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Excalibur Red grafted trees from Excalibur
« on: November 15, 2018, 01:30:00 PM »
I want to say that Excalibur is an absolutely incredible germplasm collection. I was lucky enough to be driven around by Linda and had a lovely tour. Rob Lawracy is a great guy and I wish I lived closer so we could get some fruit hangout time.


This issues seem to be crossing multiple species and cultivars. They have a massive operation with quite a few different staff members. Things do get mixed up from time to time from other nurseries that I have dealt with. A big issue I see here is that this has been going on for an extended period of time. It seems like bad business practice to me to ignore customer feedback.

It is reprehensible knowingly selling mislabeled trees. That is where this forum steps in and weeds through the BS.

I hope that they fruit and properly ID the mother trees and permanently tag them, eliminate suspect trees for resale and get the top tier accurately labeled genetics out there. There is also no one else to blame with some of these. They are selections straight from Excalibur.

After all these years of selling Excalibur Red trees, many to forum members, does anyone have a picture of the fruit from their tree that had the proper coloring? Please please please post a picture.

Richard Wilson has built an incredible collection. I hope they fix whatever sloppiness has occurred. I had always referred people to them.

nice fruit, and pics!

thanks for sharing hoss!

You betcha!

I am getting my first round of fruits from this. This was grafted 1/26/18 but it has apical dominance on an established tree. Annonas tend to be smaller here in Florida. The taste is excellent. Soft/melting and seedy with a delicious cake icing flavor.

How many Annona diversifolia seeds planted?

Storage at room temperature for about 10 months approximates dry-season-then-rainy-season in western Guatemala.

57 total. The Genova Reds didn't come up but I can't remember how old they are. I should also mention that I just checked the Luc's White and only the treated seeds have come up. I will update the original post. I will update this again to see what ended up germinating.

I remember you mentioning that before and that was part of the reason for my storage.  ;D Also, I think Raul mentioned that the professor that made the Ilama PDF discovered that some fresh seeds didn't even have the developed embryo when freshly harvested.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Annona macroprophyllata germination experiment
« on: November 15, 2018, 11:21:04 AM »
Exciting news on my little experiment. I have germination on two groups of treated/untreated Annona macroprophyllata seeds from Luc and Raul after 2 -3 weeks. Half were soaked in 200ppm ga3 and the other half in water. Here is the main trick. The seeds from Luc were stored in a mason jar for about 2 years and the seeds from Raul were stored for over a year. I will try to germinate the rest without ga3 because I believe that negatively effects the plant health. The treated Luc's White germinated and the untreated haven't come up yet.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Macadamia Nuts/seeds
« on: November 15, 2018, 10:32:49 AM »
I ordered Macs from Patrick a couple years ago and they fresh and viable. Great seller.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Raulglezruiz
« on: November 14, 2018, 09:45:59 PM »
Absolutely!  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Fruit Similar to Starapple
« on: November 13, 2018, 11:04:15 AM »
Some Caimito trees are not self fertile. That may be the issue here.

Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.

I have tried to hand pollinate (with a thin paintbrush) but with no success. The flowers have no scent (although the leaves have that really strong skunk smell).  I have not seen any insects attracted to the flowers. Also there seems to be almost no pollen in the flowers (although they are so tiny and its hard to tell). I will try the fertilizer you suggest. Thanks for your reply!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Camu Camu forest (Myrciaria dubia)
« on: November 12, 2018, 12:09:01 PM »
 :o :o :o :o :o

Holy crap!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit Berried Treasure
« on: November 09, 2018, 05:55:27 PM »
If anyone has this fruiting in the US I would like to purchase some seeds as they become available. I have some seedlings of an Amber seedling going that I have high hopes for. I even planted one out in a public fruit planting.  8)

I picked up the last of some dropped fruit if anyone else is interested in fresh seeds. These will be last from me this year. Thanks to everyone purchased this year. - Josh

I don't have any grafted at the moment. My yard/nursery is going through some renovations and I was going to concentrate on grafting some rarer stuff. They are around though. Good luck!

TFF Members,

I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.

I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.

'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!

So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one.  The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.

Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.

So . . . .  Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?

I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.

Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does.  I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.

ˇPuras Frutas!

Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b

The consensus is that the spring is the best time to graft Annonas. This is late in the year to find dreams, but
Fruitscapes in Pine Island might have them? I would suggest looking for seedling cherimoya/ sugar apples and
buy scions in the Spring and do your own? I had my first dream fruit this year and my second year of fruit from
the Lisa atemoya. What a huge difference in fruit quality. The Lisa atemoya was my favorite fruit I produced this year
in my whole yard. I can't wait to see if the quality changes on the dream next year? I have been told the grafted
atemoyas have a short live span of around 10-12 year which is another reason to graft your own. Also you could send
forum member Vermented from Sarasota a PM, he has mentioned having several types of Atemoyas and is ahead of
most of us in acquiring some of the newest atemoyas and may have dream available in the Spring?

I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?

I know Wayne Clifton very well. I have the Dream origin story corraborated by Wayne and one of my best friends that has been in the tropical fruit societies since the late 1980s.

Dr. Paul Beaver was active in the local Rare Fruit Councils before I started growing. I believe he lived in Tampa and owns/runs Amazon eco tours through this company.

Dr. Beaver supplied some seeds from Peru that Wayne grew out and Wayne ended up grafting the most vigorous seedling to an established in ground Annona.

Here are some pics of my homegrown Dream fruit from this year. No grit, no weird hard areas around the seeds and A++++ flavor.

The fruit tend to be small to medium size here in Florida and it doesn't seem to crop heavily but I haven't seen a tree really heavily pruned, hand pollinated and ideally fertilized and watered either.

I love this fruit.

Got my package today. Nice healthy vine. Great seller.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fralon Mango
« on: November 02, 2018, 05:45:19 PM »
Fralon or Fralan is typically eaten green as far as I know. I ate quite a few ripe ones this year. They were just ok. Slightly creamy from what I remember. I wish I had more to add.

The tree isn't all that vigorous. I cleaned up and did some minor scaffolding pruning on a tree that has probably been in ground 8 - 10 years. I don't think there was any major scaffolding pruning done to it. It seemed to have somewhat twisty, contorted growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Advice for an Orlando Beginner
« on: November 01, 2018, 10:29:29 PM »
If you know your USDA zone, average temp.lows and highs and humidity factors in each month it will help you what NOT TO PLANT in zone 9b! Also becoming a member of the Local Fruit Club will help you what you should plant and where to obtain your grafted trees from local nurseries. Good luck. Triphal

This is great advice.

Welcome to the forum!

Pomegranates aren't a great crop for Florida in my opinion.

Peaches are absolutely delicious but there can be issues with fruit fly worm, gumosis and they should be kept up with pruning.

Pickering is more dwarf than Carrie. It is a great mango. It is probably better for pot culture. I hate growing stuff in pots personally.

The early avocados will be West Indian and have less cold tolerance. Brogdon is a nice fruit. Make sure to plant on the biggest mound you can make. Lots of mulch. No flooding.

Everbearing mulberry is super easy and will fruit fast but I consider it bird food. It is just ok.

Carambola is nice. One tree would be enough. They are easy to manage as multigrafts. Keep in a sheltered area. The less wind the better.

Muscadines are nice. You need a trellis and bird netting. They also take training and pruning.

Loquats are pretty easy. They don't like standing water/flooding.

Lychee may be cold sensitive. They are tougher to keep small.

White Sapote is cold tolerant and an excellent fruit. Make sure to plant it on a mound away from standing water. These trees get horribly rootbound in conventional pots. Buy a young tree and try to untangle it's roots the best you can.

Jaboticaba and Sapodilla are also great fruits with a little cold tolerance.

Zill Dark Surinam Cherry are also nice.

I really like to plant on fertile mounds with heavy mulch.

The very best tip I can give someone planting out trees for the first time is to really inspect the roots and open up rootbound plants. Buy smaller trees. Three gallons are great and get the ones that haven't been sitting in that pot too long.

I have ripped out and replaced tons of stuff. If something doesn't work out it isn't the end of the world. Experience is the best teacher. If this is something you are going to stick with I highly recommend learning how to graft at some point. You can then direct sow seeds and graft or grow your own in root pruning pots.

Good luck!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mangoes in Florida
« on: October 31, 2018, 02:53:19 PM »
Amrapali is mega dwarf and excellent flavor if you can find it. It shared first place in a mango tasting at one of the local fruit clubs.

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