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I left out pedalai which I would prefer to marang and better than some sourer lakoocha

I reckon jacks are best but good crunchy low latex, low rag A graders. Chempadaks are variable and rich but definitely a winner and preferred to jacks by some. Marang is not for everyone and is thin on flesh like many other species.Some bigger sweeter types are alright bu confronting with their aroma.Of sweet dessert fruit I would rank keledang and kwai muk ahead of lakoocha and way ahead of monkey jack and a swag of other Indonesian Artocarpus. Breadfruit and breadnut are just different but very useful.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gardening by the moon-phases
« on: Today at 09:35:07 AM »
What Has Been Thought and Taught on the Lunar Influence ... › pdf

Jul 2, 2020 - Botanical Garden UV, Universitat de València, Calle Quart, 80, 46008 Valencia, Spain ... Abstract: This paper reviews the beliefs which drive some agricultural ... the link between lunar phases and agriculture from a scientific ...
by O Mayoral - ‎2020 - ‎Cited by 1
I'm not having much luck posting reports and studies and the above is perhaps the best scientific evaluation. Read page 17 if you can be bothered googling it and I'll leave it there.

If you had the space and right climate having a few other Artocarpus like chemapdak,breadfruit,keledang and kwai muk would be ideal jackfruit companions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gardening by the moon-phases
« on: Today at 08:55:20 AM »
Sorry didn't mean to come across as bullying or name calling in my manner. I certainly would not want to offend the collective consciousness. Moon gardening is a bit like astrology and advocates believe passionately and I can't prove them wrong. The examples I gave are firmly held and believed by some growers and who are we to question their logic with rusty nail and pregnant women. Is their any more potent manifestation of fertility than pregnant women? I obviously see the world through a different prism and do like to challenge old ways and beliefs and why not scrutinise the way we garden in trying to find the best way to do things and why.


Great article and the humble jackfruit should be a centrepiece in tropical fruit gardens.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy Autumn Equinox
« on: Today at 07:46:00 AM »
Wow its the spring equinox here in the southern hemisphere and 3 weeks and one day into spring. 21c to 31c all week is predicted so still a chill is in the air. Nerves are rattled about the looming La Nina rainy season and cyclones likely to be brought with it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gardening by the moon-phases
« on: Today at 07:39:38 AM »
Of course the moonlight effects coral and I have seen mass coral spawning many times. It influences plants, animals and humans behaviour. The moonlight even drives some people's behaviour to time ploughing, harvesting, grafting and get involved in non-plant related activities. Plants, animals and humans are also influenced by the wind so why not graft, plough and engage in all plant related activities because of this? My question is what has ploughing, grafting, sowing success etc got to do with it and wh. Its like saying the grass is green so I will go for a swim. Anyway if you seriously want to grow plants traditionally I suggest:
Placing rusty nails or iron items in the garden at the same time as planting seeds is said to help them grow and flourish.
When a pregnant woman is involved in the planting process, the harvest is said to thrive.
For the best yield, crops should ideally be sown from north to south, and not east to west.
It’s bad luck to plant on the 31st of a month and it’s also better to avoid beginning a planting job on a Friday or Sunday (the latter being considered as a barren and hot day).

People seem to prefer the Philipine marangs here to the Boreo ones and they do seem sweeter quite often. I wonder if they have extra cold tolerance that would make them a better option in Florida. Sour marangs used in cooking in Vietnam may also be an option that has a difference in cold tolerance.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Selecting papaya for dwarfism?
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:34:09 PM »
Yes I left out the part about rainfall distribution throughout the year. If 140 inches falls in the 3 month rainy season and only another 40 inches for the rest of the year papaya do great. Not so if there is 20 inches a month for seven months. Drainage is important and they do like good air circulation also rather than constant still conditions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taiwan new variety of guava: 珍翠芭樂
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:26:20 PM »
Taiwan has restrictions on allowing is good fruit trees out.Yeah the seedless lychees are causing a stir. I will get a marcotted one soon but may be a bit hot for it.

Some great stuff there Maryoto especially in the Artocarpus and Nepheliums but some other winners as well. The Durio cross was described by friends as something really good. Smooth and especially ridged dulcis x zibethinus in Borneo seem to have some of my friends excited. The mangosteen is a bit pointed. Is is a bit sourer than usuaul with fewer seeds? It might not be mesta if you got it from Borneo especially if the fruit are very big.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant Naming Convention Suggestion
« on: September 21, 2020, 04:53:55 PM »
Yes but probably not species and try to find either in the wild.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Going Big but not at home
« on: September 21, 2020, 04:49:49 PM »
It was a 'hold up alright' but a return to the scene of the crime when fruit are on might be called for as he left empty handed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: September 21, 2020, 04:47:38 PM »
Rob I zoomed through the posts here and just answered a questions posed on whether a plant looked like achachairu. Soursop is likely to be Cuban fibreless or similar then. The small purple star apples people call Haitian seem to dominate everywhere. I know it can be hard to find the ones that are bigger, sweeter or that have less latex.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gardening by the moon-phases
« on: September 21, 2020, 04:33:39 PM »
Yes I think the Ethiopian connection is real. Stories of talking animals whether they be frogs and scorpions or snakes and elephants with a moral based on wisdom to be gleaned are very entertaining but probably should be modelled on actual animal behaviour to have real sting.
It is the leaps in logic and wild assumptions I was talking about. Because gravity and moonlight exist then we should do very specific things based on faith not cause and effect. Faith and old are not bad things but the search for truth should be based on merit. Wisdom has connotations with religious overtones and using the blind in analogies works but we shouldn't be blind by choice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: September 21, 2020, 08:35:26 AM »
Is the soursop a Cuban fibreless (should be Cuban fiber)? The giant passionfruit flesh is a bit like very mild honeydew and passionfruit pulp over it really makes it more enjoyable.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pics from the garden
« on: September 21, 2020, 08:31:29 AM »
I zinged through and looked at the pics and no doesn't look like achachairu, leave rollinia on the tree longer for a better taste and same with starapples. Looks like you chose your dwarf coconuts well because many get tall but stay skinny (eg malay gold). Looks like a lot of trees poised to do their thing in a year or two. Looks like a happening place.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Tropical Mushroom Cultivation
« on: September 21, 2020, 08:09:38 AM »
There is a diversity of amazing fungi in my area with many still to be named. A doctorate in mycological taxonomy may be needed to tell if those masquerading as edibles really are. Spraying painting porcelain and bad trips are not what I'm in the market for but it would be great to know which are edible.

Yorgos is correct and there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Going Big but not at home
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:58:31 AM »

The kepel fruit of the pictured tree are respectable fruit not one inch brumbies.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant Naming Convention Suggestion
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:43:35 AM »
Great topic and good points. Better to use latin names whenever confusion is possible. Subspecies, races, types, varieties, cultivars. selections, accessions, forms and lines are also getting confused in peoples minds. The terms species clusters, groups. complexes and composites can cause confusion as well. Some terms are ill-defined and a few mean the same thing.
Jaboticabas and citrus are perhaps two of the more difficult groups.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: NDM fruit! Big one
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:33:18 AM »
Are you sure it isn't a Kwan? They are just like big NDM.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Going Big but not at home
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:19:38 AM »
You got it and yeah 3 inches is more normal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Going Big but not at home
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:02:22 AM »
Kepels can have much larger fruit than the 2cm to 3cm fruit size in references and fruit of this size are runts. They also fruit up high and along the branches not just the lower trunk. Even the descriptions of fruit flavour seem wrong. I don't know if there are different forms but have seen them grow and fruit faster than what is usually described. Maybe I should send some seeds to you Oscar to compare with your local trees seedlings growth rate.

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