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I planted 45 trees of Luc's garcinia about 2 years ago to complement my achacha trees, someone has since mentioned to me that they are slow to fruit and mediocre producers. is this true? DId I waste a bunch of space on them? So far these trees are strong growers even under neglect, and the roots go straight down, which is unusual as most trees in our climate are too lazy to go down given how much moisture is at the surface. But they're only a little faster than my regular mangosteens. Most artocarpus grow to 12-15 feet in a year in our climate, but the garcinia as a whole are significantly slower. Right now I seem to get about 2-3 feet a year with adequate fertilizer.
Guess you missed my previous post? This species looks like it's not going to set fruit in our very rainy climate. Three years in a row flowering, and only one fruit set. Now i find out that area of Mexico has very dry weather for many months when the plants are flowering.
Well you can always buy another property in a drier part of Hawaii.😊.since Hawaii is blessed with different kind of climates

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fire in the Amazon...
« on: August 27, 2019, 12:03:36 AM »
Civilisation didnt evolved on the Amazon because of the bad soil the rainforest grows.Bad soil means no agriculture and no agriculture means no cityes.
But somme ancient amazonian people used slash and char techniques as oposed to slash and burn and the charcoal made the soil suitable for agriculture.
The big fires from now are slash and burn wich renders the soil unusable for agriculture in just 10-20 years.
Its all explained here https://youtu.be/0Os-ujelkgw
You are right about the soil factor.Thats why complex civilization never sprang up there.Another reason could be due to the fact that the Americas was pretty much isolated from the rest of the world during ancient times.In south East Asia especially in areas which is  Indonesia and Malaysia in the present day  maritime civilization rose about 1000 years in the past thanks to the Indians and Chinese and also arabs

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 4 seasons longan
« on: August 01, 2019, 03:19:43 AM »
We grow Diamond river.  How does that compare to Ping Pong and Lada?
Peter
Depends on how you compare.lada is a shy bearer and doesn't produce much fruits.but it has small seeds unlike diamond river.i think diamond river is smaller seeds than ping pong.ping pong has very big seeds and thin arils

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: unindentified fruits from Sarawak
« on: July 22, 2019, 01:02:58 AM »
Dialium indum and laurinum are two slow growing trees here in Reunion Island. Less than 2 meters tall in five years ! May be next century the children of my children will built a house for their sons !

Gouralata
Hopefully they'll learn to appreciate those plants and care for them.would be bad if they cut em down .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 4 seasons longan
« on: July 22, 2019, 12:57:59 AM »
Look out for Longan Lada, it's known for fruiting 3/4 times a year in tropical weather....
Or try looking for ping-pong longan which fruit year round here in malaysia.longan lada is a shy bearer unlike ping pong

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Hi,

I tried to find out more about this tropical longan on the Internet. Do you know of this is Dimocarpus longan var. malesianus (mata kuching) that you grow?

Tomas
No those aren't mata kucing.those in the photos are the typical dimocarpus longan which had gone acclimization in tropical climate.i was surprised you don't have them in the americas

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Longan
« on: July 22, 2019, 12:49:39 AM »
In Malaysia and Indonesia it's called ping pong longan.this variety is from southern Vietnam.cheers

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: unindentified fruits from Sarawak
« on: July 20, 2019, 02:13:28 AM »
 ;)







First pic: On the right Dialium indum "keranji" and on the left Dialium ? (Bintulu pasar malam 28/12/2014)
Second pic: A Nephelium called "longan" by the seller but the seed show me is a Nephelium (Sri Aman 03/01/2015)
Third pic: A Nephelium called "rambutan-letchi" (Serian 06/01/2015)

Gouralata (Reunion island)

Rambutan letchi is actually nephelium lappaceum.this variety is from sungai lembing the peninsula

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By topping a tree you can make it be immortal if it sends new shots from the roots.When i want to make an old tree young again,i give it a chainsaw trim.Somme fruit trees can exhaust themselves by breeding making fruits and die too young.Spondias are notorious for doing this.
 I had to trim somme apple trees this year because they made soo manny apples that the weight of them broke their branches. Off course this practice doesnt work with any specie of fruit trees .
Immortal trees like trees that are pollarded.i  found plenty of pollarded trees on google and yes they are long lived indeed

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while topping may shorten the lifespan of the tree, the lost lifespan is very unproductive.  The fruit quality an count of 100 year old mangoes that grown into canopy trees is less than a well maintained tree 1/10 the size.  Plus how you going to pick those mangoes up there?
I believe that makes sense since in farms it's important to manage the height and also ensuring high yield

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 I suppose if it promotes flowering and makes it easier to collect the fruits it's okay.besides the main reason a fruit trees being cultivated is for their fruits

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I noticed among many fruit growers here(no offense I hope)
and also those I personally know seems to think that topping and heavy pruning to manage the height of a tree is acceptable.In addition , agricultural department in my country seems to think it's acceptable.Here fruits trees like rambutan and mangoes are heavily pruned to stimulate better fruiting and manage the tree size.However I found out the opposite is what arborist websites and channels on you tube thought about the practice.According to them topping and heavy pruning shortens the lifespan of trees.I wonder if those arborist could be wrong? Besides most of trees that they deal with are ornamental trees.As for fruit trees there's something that is called economic lifespan and therefore there is no need for the trees to live long.Any thought?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 29, 2019, 04:54:53 AM »
If only someone can bring those variety to Western countries I believe it can change the assumption that all mafai dioceous

I think you might be misunderstanding the thread above, particularly the most recent post by sahai1. There's nothing here to suggest any Baccaurea are not dioecious.
Sorry I mean monoecious.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 27, 2019, 03:46:24 AM »
If only someone can bring those variety to Western countries I believe it can change the assumption that all mafai dioceous

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 19, 2019, 08:11:02 AM »
We bought an orchard about 2.5 years ago and there's a pretty big mafai tree there (planted by the previous owner) which hasn't yet fruited. The tree has no obvious signs of grafting.

This year was the first year that we spotted male flowers near the leaves, similar to the second picture on this page:
https://dokmaidogma.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/burmese-grape/

I was watching the tree for female flowers almost every day for several weeks after that, but they didn't appear.

How likely is it for hermaphrodite trees to not fruit one year and only have male flowers the next? Is there still a chance that this is not a totally male tree?
According to the Thai member above some plants especially the Rian cultivar bears a hermaphrodite flowers.doubt the plant will bear a female flower.better get a grafted plant in my opinion

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tasty Borneo Baccaurea
« on: May 13, 2019, 05:59:35 AM »
Well I'll try asking him by sending the video link

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 13, 2019, 05:58:39 AM »
Yes I have heard of grafting male and female plants on a rootstock.but haven't seen it being implemented at least in malaysia.maybe it's hard to be done or it has some weakness.btw how do you spell mafai rien in Thai words.i want to search about it on google


pretty sure Mafai Rian (Tong)  translates as Golden Coin Mafai, is just a variety of Baccaurea ramiflora lour., a better variety bred for thinner skin, color, etc.

Here is the Thai name:  มะไฟเหรียญทอง  So generally speaking Mafai Rian Tong is Mafai, and other varieties are not scientifically Mafai, but are still called by Mafai.  So that Mafai refers to Baccaurea species as well, such as Mafai Kwai, Mafai Si Daeng, Si Muong (red, purple) etc.  This is Thai for Mafai :  มะไฟ

มะไฟควาย - Mafai Kwai - Baccaurea macrocarpa
มะไฟกา - Mafai Ga - Baccaurea parviflora
มะไฟแดง - Mafai Daeng -  BACCAUREA SCORTECHINII HOOK.F. (same as Mafai Ga?)
มะไฟจำปูลิ่ง - Mafai Jampu Ling - Baccaurea minor
มะไฟลิง - Mafai Ling - Baccaurea polyneura

deep south only:

ละไมป่า - Lamai Pa - Baccaurea bracteata
ละไมลิง - Lamai Ling - Baccaurea javanica
กะดองดอง - Gadongdong - Baccaurea macrophylla
ส้มไฟดิน - Som Fai Din - Baccaurea ptychopyxis

two other Thai ones but not find scientific name, may be another name for one of the varieties above:

มะไฟสีม่วง - Mafai Si Muong - Purple Mafai ??
มะไฟข้าวเหนียวดำ - Mafai Kow Niow Dam - Black Sticky Rice Mafai ??


Credit this website with a lot of the Thai names:  http://my-experimental-farm.blogspot.com/2014/05/blog-post_26.html

Amazing.a million thanks for the great site

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:50:27 PM »
a lot more flesh in Rambutan
Well that one I agree

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:49:55 PM »
Yes I have heard of grafting male and female plants on a rootstock.but haven't seen it being implemented at least in malaysia.maybe it's hard to be done or it has some weakness.btw how do you spell mafai rien in Thai words.i want to search about it on google

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:08:17 PM »
Well that means rambai is sweeter than Burmese grapes.havent tasted  Burmese grapes before.i guess I should rule out cultivating Burmese grapes

Tye burmese grapes name applied to many Mafai species, better to use scientific name or Thai name.  I think the Hermie Mafai Rian might be worth planting.  Also for any of these can't you just graft male and female scions to the same tree for pollination?
From what I know Burmese grapes are baccaurea ramiflora while rambai is baccaurea motleyana.what species is Rian mafai?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tasty Borneo Baccaurea
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:05:18 PM »
Try asking someone on Facebook by the name of hanif wicaksono.he might be able to Id them

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tasty Borneo Baccaurea
« on: May 12, 2019, 09:56:13 AM »
Even I can't id the fruit.i only tasted the yellow fleshed one

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 12, 2019, 09:55:03 AM »
My mafai were not very sweet but taste was ok...they were small and have many pits...almost nothing to eat. They are smaller than longkong and less sweet...better grow longkong or another fruit.

Now i know why they are so hard to find.
I guess you're right about that.but longkong in my opinion is kinda hard to grow.prone to disease

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 12, 2019, 09:53:42 AM »
Well that means rambai is sweeter than Burmese grapes.havent tasted  Burmese grapes before.i guess I should rule out cultivating Burmese grapes

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bisexual Burmese grapes?
« on: May 12, 2019, 01:01:06 AM »
Here we have two types of tampoi of I'm not mistaken.one with yellow flesh and the other white flesh.i have only eaten one variety which is the former and it's sweet without any sourness.yes I also haven't found any reference of the tree being hermaphrodite and it's rarely cultivated.btw why don't you like mafai farang.i think it's a great fruit

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