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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Just out of curiosity
« on: January 17, 2021, 11:40:28 PM »
some land you buy you have to have a agriculture  license to buy
some of the land is not expensive  at least when I looked out of curiosity
I guess unless the land had unknown leans

I know the cost of living for food is high but if you grew your own
I an not sure of the taxes  after building a house on the property  though .

Not sure if this is where you might find a agriculture license.

what about just getting a small plot 1/2 acre

Oh I might go to Fairchild botanical garden in Miami I forgot about that

I also might fly back from fort Lauderdale so anything worth looking at in these area's

Hi anything worth checking out ANY FRUITS in season ? (will be there anyways__)

Any other places  in homestead or Miami to see

I also enjoy tree's with other uses like tea's do they sell anything like that
I know your suppose to pick the fruit if fallen so I doubt if a tree has a use for tea of the leaves you couldn't pick that.

Is it big enough to not see all the tree's in one day I may go twice what's your opinion

I may  take photos but my camera I brought wit me  is not the best.

I could call but do you think I could leave my bag at the gate it is heavy , and I not sure if I want the same motel or stay extra in homestead.
I will call but anyone done that before?

hey At least I learned of A new Fruit I didn't see here always good to browse different sites
Wondered why I saved this link so importantly 15 years ago (see link Huffman Noted )

Anisophyllea boehmii

Anisophyllea is a genus of plant in the family Anisophylleaceae.
 The generic name is from the Greek meaning "unequal leaf"

This is all scary seeing first primate on the moon was a monkey
yeah right like they being a test subject the Human race is too proud losing most  intuition of medicine .

Yeah ha ha this was just a joke I am not really scared of monkeys taking over the world No not at all
This was just a resource for people to look up different plants like fruits No No No
 No, way I think monkeys are flying in outer space or wrote curious George to distract Human youth.

yes taken straight out of a Script of Planet of the Apes
 Are we doomed to go back to our primitive ways?

Pictures are worth a 1000 words

A study of primate Self-medication

Do you think it has more Citrus flavor (limonome ) when gathered that way early .
I only have book knowledge of growing it in cooler climates (not florida)

I'd buy some early stuff to try to candy it

Although I have grown it for my experiement for less boiling for candied ginger
didn't see results as so much other stuff going on, and it died or was misplaced .

I am out, and ready to get a box
think this time just no experiementing going to make it all at once (boiling twice 10 min to remove strong flavor)
I think letting it steep in water over night cuts on boiling time, and energy,
but funny b/c I had some not turn out right like medicine slightly ,
but after A month must of cured and flavors were not so eucaliptis cough drop like
 (which was just a hint, but there, but cured out()

Really want to buy Young stuff (please if you do let me know the age you believe it is.)

With these papers in mind, I've been looking at the different genera which are closely related to Eriobotrya. The most closely related genera according to several papers are Rhaphiolepis, Heteromeles, Photinia and Stranvaesia.

I will have to look into the species you mentioned
So quickly reading a few seconds I see Photinia is close with the Aronia berry

When I have more time I will look into it I have the whole winter (that is If I source pollen)
but loquat with aronia that would be interesting wonder if Firethorn down south would cross.

If I did try I would dillute pollen with bread flour to extend it as only one pollen grain needs to make a seed and try different stuff.

Great post Patanax

Do you think they could cross with a apple maybe even a hawthorn
(since pear pyrus and sorbus mountain ash (rowan berry) cross making a shipova maybe it is possible)

I am wanting loquat pollen as they are flowering now
I would pay Cash ?

I know they saw copper tone is a ornamental most likely but what do those berries taste like I wonder
I do not listen to what is edible online (as loquats are listed in peoples opinions as not edible online)

I will be going to Raleigh North Carolina in a week anyone know of a tree nearby let me know.

What is your thoughts Opinions

"UF/IFAS’s breeding program
 founded in the 1940s with the goal of developing varieties that could produce fruit in warmer environments. Most blueberry bushes thrive in northern climates with chilly winters, so creating new Florida-friendly, low-chill varieties requires crossing them with native Southern relatives of the bush"

“For some reason, one of these plants was making skatole, the molecule that gives poop its distinctive aroma, and putrescine,” she says, “which is a big part of what makes the characteristic petrifying flesh smell.”

I looked Skatole up, and in small amounts I suppose Some things have it that smell nice like Jasmine.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most worthwhile subtropical fruits to grow?
« on: December 07, 2020, 11:08:03 PM »
Looking at Greenman62 posts he is Close by New Orleans He mentions Star fruit or also known as carambola
It is in the oxalidaceae Family so it does have oxalic acid like Rhubarb (in the knot weed family) ,
 and should not be ate in large amounts at one sitting
I am not sure on that fruit , but reading here looks like if fully ripe not as bad .

Greenman62 profile;u=1113

Also have recently saw a Southern Fruit club
Might not be best that far south , but I am not certain
(edit posted quickly, but I do see It was held in South Carolina ,
 but saw events in FLorida as well so see Events not certain how often though.

Southern fruit fellowship


Yeah Brian since your not shipping I think your better off setting them in a oven on 150 to 200 to dry whole fruit.

I have not tried this yet, but have set even a wet cucumber to dry in oven takes about 8 hours for a wet cucumber, but they have less water
Not sure if the latex will do something ,
( but I am getting at better to dry, and store out side in cold for cold stratification dry maybe reason to break open to extract seeds or plant whole dry fruit)

I will see so report back (hopefully)

Since I am doing 10 different ones, some I am doing different So
Also setting in freezer I find good to take out after set in water that really gets them soft
No need to smash frozen  like I mentioned to bruise them, but if you have kids I don't fun to see who could bounce the highest
(note my water I used to soak had ice from outside pot do not know if that matters, and olive oil residue )

Sorry for all the editing, do not want to rewrite this post, and need to do some important thing tomorrow early, and sleepy)

Wow looks like I extracted latex (for bubble gum now I need to dry it, and see if it is still the texture of pine sap)

Yeah Brian since your not shipping I think your better off setting them in a oven on 150 to 200 to dry whole fruit.
or if you do not want to dry in oven first (let rot outside, dry in sun)

The fruit I had dried whole out side sprouted fine
I did leave seeds out, whole fruit (edit that rotted) I think after (that) you should dry fruit (in sun pressing into flat disks)

those I did grew ,
 but I cannot give a 100 percent positivity that soaking fruit to extract seeds is bad after they have rotted storing outside
since a mouse ate a gallon zip lock bag full, and I thought at least a few seeds would be left behind, but mine didn't sprout either.

Setting outside to rot, and drying fruit did grow for me
they were hard, and flat(ish) like pancakes so for that reason I am positive  they did rot as well but grew fine after drying.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Calling annona aficionados
« on: December 07, 2020, 02:33:34 AM »
From Africa:

Anonidium mannii,

Hexalobus crispiflorus.

From Brazil:

several Duguetia and Fusaea  and Porcelia species.

Har I was reading on a site, and while it wasn't Hexalobus Crispiflorus I did see something In Africa about H. monopetalus
Video only 1/2 a Minute, but says it tastes like Guava .
(off subject, but I am Curious  after you see it does it play a bunch of baboa tree video's back to back.
maybe I will watch more of those when I eat something)

Oh I originally read of that Anonoaceae species  on these site 's
looks like some are critically endangered (  Monanthotaxis buchananii  ) , and even one I saw extinct.

Radoslav Any updates on the  annona jahnii did not see anything on a search new.

Do not worry here   or D grower I am freeze drying fruit like I found naturally to save on weight.

Do you have 1 1/2 pound ones cool to offer scions if you have a tree to graft to on your property

I was just looking at how they  selected goldenrod to grow huge for latex at least the ford motor company did around the 1920's
would be cool to breed these bigger for landscaping interest think you could do it a lazy way
since plants are either male or female (diocieus) 
no cutting the male parts off hermaphrodite flowers to prevent self pollinating
 just throw your experiements into the wild, and select as time passes.

Do you have a way to separate seeds ?
online they say it is a messy job, but I do not think so pretty easy if you experiment.

Freeze dried fruit looks like this only 2 OZ, and not 10 OZ
This is naturally dried out doors

The second picture is also freeze dried, but the smaller one is over 5 years old put out for Halloween
ever year it looks different it is solid as a rock, and told my nieces it was a dried Monkey Brain

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rare endemic Jamaican annonas
« on: December 01, 2020, 02:48:39 PM »
mAYBE THAT GUY CAN USE A laser to find the tree's in the wild

Interesting though I never heard of it.
 this is the topic about lasers, but just read below it is all the same.

Copied from here

An airborne observatory which is revolutionising forest ecology has recently flown over some of the reserves protected by World Land Trust and local partner Fundación EcoMinga, and has the potential for helping conservationists discover new tree species.

The two-engine 20 passenger plane takes seconds to assess forests to a level of detail that would take researchers  lifetimes of fieldwork to collect. With millions of dollars of cutting-edge laser and spectrometer technology built into it, the Carnegie Aerial Observatory (CAO) can sample hundreds of thousands of hectares of forest per day. This data is cross-referenced with a digital catalogue of the chemical and optical properties of around 4,700 plant species in different conditions, which allows scientists to create a map of the forest’s condition.

The colours displayed in these maps represent several layers of information about each tree and its state of health, allowing scientists to judge the effects of events such as drought or disease as well as spot otherwise unnoticeable symptoms within unstudied regions of forest. In one case, aerial data of forested area in Hawaii revealed regions where the canopy showed unusually low levels of nitrogen, and led ecologists to discover that an invasive ginger plant was competing with native trees for nitrogen.

Tropical biologist and Principal Investigator at CAO Greg Asner brought the plane to Ecuador for a ten-day study of Amazonia. One of the CAO’s research flights crossed two kilometres through the area managed by EcoMinga, which will provide a wide, detailed insight into the structure and diversity of the forest.

Lou Jost, Co-founder of Fundación EcoMinga, said “I am really excited about the potential for this data. It would tell us the structure and diversity of the forest, and my biggest hope is that some of our most special trees, such as Magnolias, will have distinctive spectral fingerprints, so that we can find and map them. If the Magnolia genus has a distinctive fingerprint, we might be able to identify sites with Magnolias outside the elevation ranges of the known species, so we could use this data to discover new species of Magnolia.”

To learn more about the way the CAO uses spectrometers and high-powered lasers to map nature in meticulous kaleidoscopic 3D detail, see Greg Asner’s Ted Talk here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wonder if Seattle will be 9a soon...
« on: December 01, 2020, 01:15:12 PM »
I think If every Neighborhood grew a ton of tree's that could help
funny how if one Neighbor see's one person do one thing they will copy over the years for the good or worse.
I read it in a marking book, but now seeing it first hand
unfortunately my neighbors choices of having 20 lights blaring on the house, is annoying
 7 on the front alone and now every one is copying.

grow a ton of tree's I wish that would happen after everyone else starts copying..

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wonder if Seattle will be 9a soon...
« on: December 01, 2020, 01:09:26 PM »
With the warm more bugs are not killed off here that means more ticks
I was recently in my back yard, and had No see Ums on me
I thought what if I brought them to Northern IL. or my neighbor which is in the landscaping business
 but found them on me in a field far away as well.

When I used to walk by the river even just about 15 years ago I could of swore  as years passed on the geese weren't migrating .

I am not political depends on the euphemism you want to use to explain it I suppose
I prefer global climate warming change.

Seeds seem to be doing okay with my extraction method by freezing ,
I have found some that froze, and dried , and naturally freeze dried out side so tryin to replicate that
(from 10 OZ to 2 OZ. the largest I have is 1 1/2 pounds)

I already half froze, and smashed on the ground, and they turned soft
you do that when using hard fruit to turn soft for using in wine.

I re froze after letting them thaw I am trying to make them like the naturally freeze dried ones

I found this cool site
and have a few more about them

a quote from the site, and pictures of wood

 A new class of lectins has been isolated from Osage Orange- prenylated isoflavones. The prenylated isoflavones are pomiferin and osajin.

another good looking site mentioned a lot looking this fruit up, but looks to have changed to another site
 (as you can see if you look up the original site it is a furniture site,
 so found that off there other site this is the right site, but they are the same people)

Oh, and do not forget this wood burns hot
some people claim it could even wreak a cast iron wood burning stove

some more on eat the weeds as well

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Earthworms in pots
« on: December 01, 2020, 08:38:15 AM »
Oh so that wou;d make sense for your soiless potting soil.
since more exposure to air,

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Earthworms in pots
« on: December 01, 2020, 08:37:11 AM »
I should of posted the Page that had the video
Not sure if I saw one, but they are very jumpy as seen in the video


COuld you show  a link of that chiral soil I looked it up, but didn't see a product.

I think the holes in soil is good to form nodes on the roots being exposed to oxygen

 I had pawpaw seeds protected from Squirrels /mice left in a cooler in bags in no soil just humidity from a bit of water ,
and the air exposed to them they formed nodes very early unlike what I saw in 1000's of others throughout the years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 3 Sisters 2.0
« on: November 30, 2020, 12:40:14 PM »
Runn off I meant erosion I think is what he meant by holding carbon in place

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 3 Sisters 2.0
« on: November 30, 2020, 12:35:13 PM »
He said In Florida so to prevent run off of to soil in sandy type soil
I do not know much about it in Florida , but I wouldn't reply talking about midwest soil just saying.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Earthworms in pots
« on: November 30, 2020, 12:24:09 PM »
Might be a better identification for people in the  mid west

Jumping worms can be iridescent and they have a smooth clitellum (ring) around their bodies. In many other species of earthworms this ring is raised. Photo credit: Josef Gorres, University of Vermont

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Earthworms in pots
« on: November 30, 2020, 12:20:44 PM »
One of those books about natural chemical uses states if you add powdered mustard out side the worms will come to the soil
I am not really a fisherman so never tried it myself.

How mush perlite does your pots have?
 I have been reading a lot lately about what was used for oil spills zeolite mineral for retaining water in soil
It looks like cat liter you can get it at a feed store for cheaper then other places as pdz (a 25 lb bag for $10)
 but your in Romania maybe try similar feed stores over there..

Also Over here We have a new Invasive Worm that eats compost degrading soil called jumping worms

I quote this from the MN Department of natural resources

"The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources is cautioning gardeners and anglers to be on the lookout for invasive jumping worms. These destructive worms can quickly degrade soils and damage garden plants and lawns.

“Jumping worms are a relatively new invasive species in Minnesota and they are a threat to gardens and forests,” said Laura Van Riper, DNR terrestrial invasive species coordinator. “They make rich soil more like coffee grounds. They eat plant roots, damaging garden plants and sod.”

Jumping worms are a type of earthworm that looks similar to other common earthworms such as nightcrawlers. They are called “jumping worms” because they wiggle intensely when disturbed and sometimes appear to be jumping. Native to Asia, jumping worms have been confirmed in limited areas of Minnesota since 2006, mainly in the Twin Cities and western suburbs and in Rochester. It’s believe that they were spread throughout North America by people moving potted plants, soil, compost, mulch and fishing bait."

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