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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fungas Gnat problem solved
« on: November 25, 2016, 11:08:29 PM »
These ideas were a huge help.  I had battled fungus gnats last spring and ultimately 'won' by it getting warm enough that I could move all my plants outside.  I tried many of the things you listed with similar non-lasting results.

This fall as brought everything back inside I drenched everything in neem oil and wrapped the top the soil with the garden fabric.  All of my plants are in fabric pots and I put each into a 16" saucer.  My plan was to water the saucer so the fabric pot would suck it up from the bottom.  This way the top of soil would stay dry and combined with the fabric overlay would keep the gnats from laying their next round eggs.  To be extra safe, I placed yellow sticky tape on each stem. 

I was proud of this setup and was expecting it to be effective.  Of course, within a few days gnats started appearing.  That was expected since the soil would already be contaminated from being outside and last years infection.  I was counting on them not being able to continue the cycle and lay the next round of eggs.   I sprayed neem oil over everything again and waited.  A week later and they were back again so I sprayed again.  This continued for about 6 weeks.  There were never that many gnats but it's not pleasant spraying neem oil inside on a weekly basis either.  I obviously had some weakness in my defense.

Finally, I discovered the problem.  As I was moving some plants around I saw some white wriggling movement inside the saucer where the fabric pot was previously sitting on top.  Looking very closely I discovered this was the fungus gnat larva.  They are about the length of a grain of rice and thickness as small as hair.  I had never actually noticed them before and there were LOTs.  The gnats didn't need to get into the soil for the next generation just somewhere that stayed damp.  I had even sprayed that area underneath the fabric pot with each weekly neem oil treatment but that didn't matter.

The solution was to elevate the fabric pots above the ground.  I did this with a few pieces of legos to create about 1/2 gap for air to flow beneath the pot.  Now even after a deep watering everywhere will be dry in 2-3 days.  It's been two weeks now and I've seen only 1-2 gnats.  I'm pretty sure this is working and the cycle will be fully broken! 

It is a bit more work to water everything now. I move each plant into a saucer with water and once it sucks up its fill I put it into another saucer to drain and then finally back to its resting spot on top of the legos.  I'm hoping I can eventually keep the plants in the saucers all the time once the gnats are fully eliminated.  For now, I'm happy and rather proud that I appear to be victorious over these tiny creatures! ;)

Here is a picture of showing the final resting setup per container.








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It's really fun seeing the way different plants grow.  This is a very cool time lapse showing a little less then 1-week of growth as the banana plant grows and unfurls a new leaf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_YMRXEkPRc&feature=youtu.be

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I wanted to give an update.  I put 2 of the dormant Pomegranate trees into the grow closet where they get a lot of CF and LED light about 18 hour/day.  They were there for about a month without any visible growth.  In the mean time one of the other Pomegranates I had in front of a window did wake up.  This was a younger tree, 1-2 years old vs. all the others that are 4-5 years, not sure if that matters.

I took the dormant tress out of the grow closet and moved the waking up one into it.  It's been there for about a week now and growing quickly.  Here is a time lapse video showing 5-6 days - https://youtu.be/-E4wSMOSf8M, behind the pom is a Barbados Cherry which is also doing well.

The next thing I'm going to try is putting 2-3 of the still dormant Pomegranates outside when the weather will stay above freezing.  Since I'm in SW Ohio they will be moving in/out a lot through February and March.  I'll compare the results of these vs. the remaining dormant ones sitting inside next to a window.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:42:53 PM »
I wanted to give an update on the trip.  Unfortunately, some unexpected work caused us shift our plans around so we missed Echo and most of the other excellent suggestions.  However, we get down to Florida 3-4 times/year so I'm sure we will still be able to check out everything.

We did manage to visit - http://www.sulcatagrove.com/ - which was a ton of fun.  The kids loved the giant turtles, chickens, hanging swing and getting try out a Miracle Berry for the first time.   I picked up a Florida Sweet Barbados Cherry which is doing fantastic back in the grow closet.  They also had some really interesting in-arch graphs on Jack Fruit trees.  Basically 2-3 root systems all feeding into a single tree which wasn't something I'd seen before.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: December 18, 2015, 09:01:55 AM »
We did the Marie Selby gardens last year.  They had a Christmas light setup, live band and some family events.  It was really fun! 

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Bumping the thread as I modified the subject and added in the live feed.  Previously this just had the link to the youtube video.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: December 17, 2015, 04:53:57 PM »
For me anything you wouldn't see a Publics or Krogers grocery store will be unusual. ;)
I should be very easy to impress!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: December 17, 2015, 11:13:35 AM »
Thank you for all of the fantastic suggestions!

@geosulcata, I replied to your PM and would love to visit.

Pine Island looks great and I'll try to arrange that on the same day we do the Echo trip. 

I don't think my wife will let me bring home more than 2-3 new plants which is quite reasonable considering how many I've already spread throughout the house. ;)  Still I'm excited to just look at what else is out there.

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Thank you for the detailed directions on the Grenade.  10-12°C would be tricky to achieve.  I expect our garage might average that temperature, but it would also get dramatically colder (as cold at -15°C when we open it up to take the car out.)  There is no natural light but  I could add in grow lights.  Far more likely the trees would be wintered inside at 22-24°C and receive minimal light unless I supplement it (which is actually what I'm eager to explore doing).

So far it seems like there isn't a way to wake a tree up early vs. letting it run its natural course.  Possibly simulating short days, colder temperature and then longer warmer days in an artificial environment but that's also outside of my control at the moment. 

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@radoslav
That is definitely a fair point and at this stage I know just slightly more than nothing about all of this.  The part that confuses me the most is that if these plants were growing in Zone10 it wouldn't have a winter and I'm assuming wouldn't have a dormancy period.  I believe only the Meyer lemon is grafted and I have no idea what root stock.  I definitely intend to give almost all of the plants time outside in the Summer and simply do to space limitations many of them will probably end of going dormant in the winter. 

Some things I'd like to explore are having Pomegranate and Fig trees placed throughout the house and non-dormant so they look nice.  For example, I was wondering if weaving LED strip light would provide enough supplemental light in addition to the tiny bits they would get from the window and look nice enough that my wife would be happy. 

Another idea is if can I get figs & other fruit for longer periods in the year vs. when they would be available within the normal seasons. 

The one thing I didn't expect when starting this was dealing with pests.  I mistakenly assumed that growing indoors would specifically mean I didn't have to deal with them.  I've gotten rid of spider mites once with neem oil and have a longer term battle with fungal gnats.  I spread around beneficial nematodes on every plant 2 days ago and I'm hoping that will minimize my problems. 

@pitbull-rus, I'll reply in the other thread where you provided more details.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: December 15, 2015, 05:28:33 PM »
That applies to something you would drive out personally vs. shipping?  Harris even has a note - http://www.harriscitrus.com/store/shipping.php saying they are allowed to ship outside of Florida.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: December 15, 2015, 04:48:40 PM »
Thanks!  That is perfect.  Anything within 20-30 minutes of I75 should be easy to fit in and Harris looks to be under 15.   :)

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I edited that post a few times.  At first, it was a request for general guide/tips and after that didn't lead to much I tried to hilite the specific question. 

I'm still surprised I couldn't find any information about it from my regular Google searches but I guess people crazy enough to try growing all this stuff indoors are few and far between. ;)

I put three dormant plants in the grow closet where they will get a lot of light 16 hours/day and temperatures ranging from 75-80. 

Grenada Pomegranate
Bonanaza Dwarf Peach
Pink Lemondade Blueberry

We'll see what happens and hopefully will get some luck. ;)


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Locations near I75?
« on: December 15, 2015, 01:45:26 PM »
Thanks!

I was looking at Just Fruits last week.  That is to far out of the way for this trip but definitely something I'll consider for a future visit.  We have some friends in the panhandle so could probably connect it with a visit to them.

I am planning to visit Echo -http://echonet.org/ and come home with a Moringa tree.  Something in Sarasota would be great and there is lots of other stuff in the family can do which will let me negotiate a visit to a nursery.


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I set up a live feed of my grow closet.  It's filmed on its side which makes it slightly annoying to watch but I can get a much better viewing area.
https://www.teleport.nu/feed/ctigugg9geudnbvibmokgucldkhuex06zcjnund7iq

You can change it a time lapse view by clicking in the upper right of the video.  There are only about 12 hours of footage now (Dec 18th, 8:30am) but I'll have this running for at least two weeks so I can keep an eye on it while I'm in Florida.   It should look pretty cool once there are a few days to quickly scan through.

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Here is recorded time lapse video from a few days ago.  Much lower quality with my old webcam but still kind of fun to watch the fig leaf growing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_pBEHIako&feature=youtu.be

If anyone has any tips on growing indoors please let me know.  I started another thread about that here:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18557.0

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Locations near I75?
« on: December 14, 2015, 10:25:57 PM »
We'll be heading to Florida for Christmas this weekend.  Dayton, OH down I75 to Sarasota, Florida.  Any cool nurseries or otherwise interesting places we should stop at along the way?

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Hopefully it's not bad form to cross post.  My questions could apply to all three of the forum categories.

I'm in Ohio trying to grow indoors.  I'm less than 3 months into this new hobby so still have a lot to learn.

I bought some bare root Pomegranate trees from a nursery in Georgia.   Is there a way I can wake up the trees early with grow lights or do I have to wait until Spring and let nature work its magic.

A lot more details are here if you are interested - http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18557.0

Thanks for your time!

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@pitbull-rus,  do pomegranates and figs require the dormancy period (or chill hours)?  All the ones I purchased are compatible with zones 9-10 where they wouldn't have much of a winter or reach 10 degrees Celsius.

@fruitnut, Thanks, I'll do that!  It turns out coplantnut is the one that referred me here. :)

I'd estimate it 75-80 degrees Fahrenheit, the LEDs don't put off much heat.  I bought a temperature/humidity reader but haven't installed it yet.

I have the lights on about 16 hours per day.  Before I had the closet setup I had lights on the Meyer Lemon tree 24/7 for about a week and it seemed to do great.  As I researched further it seemed most people recommended a cycle so I stopped the 24/7 lighting.  If I had more room and 2 Meyer Lemons I'd tried one at 24/7 and the other with a day/night cycle to see what happens.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Indoors - Any Guides Available?
« on: December 12, 2015, 11:11:54 PM »
The fig plants are all doing great.  They are my favorites to watch because of how fast they grow.  So far the winter in SW Ohio has been mild so we haven't gotten the low humidity air.

The almond arrived just a few weeks ago and came bare root so I don't know what it likes yet.

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I'm looking for information on growing tropical plants indoors with grow lights.  I have found a good amount of information about planting them in containers and wintering inside your home or garage.  I haven't been able to find much information about keeping them growing through the winter or having some plants inside through the whole year.

I've found this video which is very inspiring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0h79QNk838  The author shares some good information and tips in the comments. He pointed me to this forum and here I am. :)
[edit - he has a thread with additional information here - http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8861.0, I'd recommend reading that and the YouTube comments to get the most information]

In May 2015 my wife bought me a 1-year old Meyer Lemon tree. I've always loved citrus and wanted to grow my own, but I didn't really think it was an option in Ohio.   I set the tree outside for the summer, checking it almost every day but it didn't really thrive.  It might have grown an inch but didn't sprout any new leaves or branches.   I brought it inside as the temperatures started dropping and set in front the window in my office. 

Unfortunately, the tree wasn't getting enough light.  We don't have any good southern exposure windows so I went to the local hardware store and asked for a plant light.  I came back with blue tinted incandescent bulb and a reflector.  Set that up on the tree and it loved it.  Everything perked up and I think it actually looked better than it did outside.  I did some research on grow lights and discovered LED.  I bought a $30 bulb from Amazon and combined with the other light the tree started growing new leaves and even flowered.

I loved bringing the tree to life and helping it thrive.  I wanted more!  Fast forward a few months and now I have:

A happy Meyer Lemon
3 Figs Trees (Turkey, Little Miss Figgy and everbearing Italian)
6 Pomegranites, all 3-4 years old (Angel Red, Grenada, Sweet, Utah Sweet, White and Wonderful) - All bareroot arrived last week of Nov.
Garden Prince Almond - 3 years
Bonanaza Dwarf Peach
Pineberry
Miracle Berry
Cavendish Dwarf Banana
Tangerine
Valentia Orange
Arbequina Olive
4 different Rasberries
7 different Blueberries

My growing setup is now my office closet wrapped in mylar with a 150 Watt hanging fixture and 4 of the $30, 6 Watts.  I have a 150 Watt CF plant light from Appollo arriving next week.

I'm currently battling fungal gnats.  I ran across a lot of tips on the internet but nothing as comprehensive as this one - http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16330.msg208015#msg208015.  Earlier in the week I did the first Neem Oil treatment which seemed to help.  The order of beneficial nematodes arrived today and I'll be applying those tomorrow evening.  I'm happy to be armed with many other great suggestions in that post if I need them. :)

So far things are going pretty good.  The fig trees, pineberry, banana and Meyer Lemon are all actively growing.  Everyday there is something new happening to them.

The Tangerine, Orange, Olive and Miracle berry plants are surviving.  They look good but I haven't noticed any new growth yet.  They are recently repotted so I'm hoping they just need more time to settle.

Everything else is dormant... which leads me to the main question I'm trying to answer. 

How do I wake them up?  Is there anything I can do?  Or do I just have to wait until Spring next year, move them outside and let nature work its magic?  In particular, I want to wake up one or more of the Pomegranate trees.  Watching them come back to life again is going to be a lot of fun and help me get closer to the day I'll get to pick and eat my first one.

I'm eager to learn more.  What is the optimum amount of light for the Lemon tree to grow vs. the figs?  Can I trick the Blueberries into fruiting at different times of the year?  The questions and opportunities are endless and I'm amazed at how little information I can find.  If I was growing Marijuana then there are encyclopedias of information available... why not for a Pomegranate? ;)













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