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Hola Felipe, that's a beautiful tree, patience my friend las Canarias weren't built in a day, I have a Canistel tree I planted 35 yrs. ago, and I dint give up on it, after being hit by hard freezes several times, and killed to the ground, it just fruited for the first time this yr.
Saludos
Carlos


My green sapote  took 4.5 year to flower, they were grafted by me as soon as i got scions at that time so it is possible to flower within 4.5 years to grow a two feet tall grafted tree.







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Yes, it really exists. Some of my trees   have orange color fruit but the difference between yours and mine is my fruit color from green, yellow to orange.






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After buying thousands of mangosteen seeds from many counties, my experiences told me, mangosteen seeds will be easy to get rotted if they are not properly treated. The pulp must be removed,washed by clean water so that they can keep fresh. This is the key.
Look at the photo which shows the fresh well treated seeds. They germinated well, almost 100%





Dont worry about that. If your seeds are fresh enough, it's possible to sprout.

How did you get the slimy pulp out?

I just sowed few mangosteen seeds after soaking in fresh water for 24 hrs. Didn't know I had to remove the pulp entirely.

I wish I had seen this post earlier. Crap! My seeds are gonna rot now. :-[

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That site looks like it may have suppliers around the world who send out seeds on their behalf and I suppose it is based in Thailand.I would be wary and question precocious mangosteens.Under 5 years for any variety unless there are new hybrids being done and tested raises my eyebrows.

Rock it sounds like you really need the large leafed mangosteen and the big fruited borneo type to round out your collection.Those big borneo ones have been a burr under the saddle for me in the last couple of seasons.I have eaten dozens and dozens of kilograms for just a few seeds.

In Brasil have two main areas who produce mangosteen
1- in the North in the state Pará
2 - in northeastern , in south of state Bahia
I buy fresh fruit mangosteen since 2003, in the wholesale marketing, to make seedling,
The fruits from Pará are small and some fruit are rotten inside, some have  fungi in skin, in 10 fruits around 15 viable seeds
The fruits from Bahia are big, the biggest fruits around 180 grams,  all fruits are good, the skin is cleaned,  in 20 fruits perhaps 1 or 2 viable seed
In beginning I thought the climate was the difference, now I know the climate is not the difference

Ricardo, 180g mangosteen, that must be a monster. I have never had so big a fruit like that, it will be great to eat such a big fruit. I remember Mike also has a 200 g  large variety, maybe yours are the same variety.

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That site looks like it may have suppliers around the world who send out seeds on their behalf and I suppose it is based in Thailand.I would be wary and question precocious mangosteens.Under 5 years for any variety unless there are new hybrids being done and tested raises my eyebrows.

Rock it sounds like you really need the large leafed mangosteen and the big fruited borneo type to round out your collection.Those big borneo ones have been a burr under the saddle for me in the last couple of seasons.I have eaten dozens and dozens of kilograms for just a few seeds.


Mike, of course yes I'm eager to get any good quality mangosteen, my greenhouse still has space for them :)
I have become crazy about collecting mangosteen variety since my mangosteen tree fruit in the greenhouse.






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Rock this seller has all the rights for the precocious mangosteenseeds. You can email them if you like.

http://www.tropical-exotic-seeds-and-plants.com/storefront/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1&zenid=0d452f56b1d9d17eaca42170e87060e6


Bangkok, Thank you for letting me know the source.

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Rock the normal mangosteens don't fruit in 2 years, there are precocious mangosteenseeds around from which the seller claims that they can fruit in 2 (or was it 3?) years.

Did you also eat the thai mangosteens while you were here last year? So are they a little sweeter then the malay ones? I have never seen those malay ones so i 'm curious.


Which one is precocious ? I really want to know.

Here is a Malaysia mangosteen photo.





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After buying thousands of mangosteen seeds from many counties, my experiences told me, mangosteen seeds will be easy to get rotted if they are not properly treated. The pulp must be removed,washed by clean water so that they can keep fresh. This is the key.
Look at the photo which shows the fresh well treated seeds. They germinated well, almost 100%





Wow, are all these seeds Masta variety? You cleaned yourself?
I cleaned my mangosteens really well. Scrape thin layer of flesh skin separating from seed with you fingernails, and rub with piece of cloth for extra cleanliness. End result 100% germination. Normally sellers won't do it. Too much hassle.


Part of masta only, those seeds were cleaned by several persons in three days, we used sands that help separate flesh skin from seeds quickly. I agree most seed seller didn't treat the seeds well that I had to did it myself in Malaysia.

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Rock the normal mangosteens don't fruit in 2 years, there are precocious mangosteenseeds around from which the seller claims that they can fruit in 2 (or was it 3?) years.

Did you also eat the thai mangosteens while you were here last year? So are they a little sweeter then the malay ones? I have never seen those malay ones so i 'm curious.
While I was in Malaysia, I tried Thailand mangosteen, too. Thailand ones  are larger in size, I could not tell which one is sweeter because both are very sweet. Honestly, mangosteen masta is for me very special, differs from other ones.

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After buying thousands of mangosteen seeds from many counties, my experiences told me, mangosteen seeds will be easy to get rotted if they are not properly treated. The pulp must be removed,washed by clean water so that they can keep fresh. This is the key.
Look at the photo which shows the fresh well treated seeds. They germinated well, almost 100%




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Here is a photo of normal mangosteen seeds sprouting. See, they look really different from mangosteen masta.


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I went to malaysia for one week to seek for some excellent fruit there. For me, It tastes not so juicy as nomal malaysia one but very sweet, the texture is firmer.






Rock for shit & giggle I bought some seeds during the debate on it awhile back.  After two years it did fruit, it taste sweet to the scammer that sold me the seeds.  None of my seeds ever sprout, they rotted quickly Dorgon it! :-[ :'(

Can you take the seeds home to Taiwan and grow it and let us know so we can bury this issues of Japanese mangosteen fruiting from seeds in two years to rest so I can bury my tears of being fruit traumatize? ;) ;D

Yes, I took some seeds back. I don't believe they can fruit in two years from seeds but someone told me that grafted one can bear fruit in two years. Let's wait for two years, haha.



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I went to malaysia for one week to seek for some excellent fruit there. For me, It tastes not so juicy as nomal malaysia one but very sweet, the texture is firmer.





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Adam,
Never tried that thick scions before, I usually select epicormic shoots as scion. Are the thick scions as 1.8 cm easier to take?

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Adam, if a healthy two-year rootstock are used, it will take about 3 to 4 yeas to fruit, of course, the larger rootstock for grafting may shorten some time to fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. Shawi from ebay
« on: June 29, 2014, 10:12:12 AM »
I received seeds from a couple of Brazilian sources and they were more in this style and I was told they are a small tree.
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-AU&dl=en&lp=PT_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2feugeniasubterminalis.htm

The ones in that link you posted Oscar look like something quite different.It could be the ghost of Plinia rivularis coming back to haunt us.


Like i said in previous post, the mulchi that Jim West has is probably not Eugenia subterminalis. I think his mulchi is a type of Plinia sp., or the Shawi we've been talking about in this thread, a cauliflorous large fruit. So that thesis paper i posted has it right. That photo Helton has is probably the real Eugenia subterminalis, much smaller plant with much smaller seeds, not cauliflorous.

Oscar, I think mulchi is a certain plinia too, judging from its seed, leaf and fruit. It makes me have a association with jaboticaba and cambuca. Jim West also sent me some super big mulchi seeds which are much bigger than cambucas'. He also emailed me a fruit photo, the fruit is even over 4 inches cross.
He told me that knife is a standard size, 4 inches long.



I also wonder why mulchi was categorized in eugenia.

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nice pictures Rock,

thanks for sharing...(is the tree grafted?)

Yes I really think its M. oblongata...based on the description of fruit size, and flavor, and appearance of the foliage and the fruits (have an oblong shape near base)...also another feature I notice is the pink coloration of the pulp, which is consistent with the pictures provided by Helton, on his website (his oblongata fruits also have a nice pink coloration)

I will get good pics of my mystery tree today...It is much different.

Yes, they are grafted.

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Here are pictures of the leaves (new growth) and the plant. Hope this is enough to identify jaboricaba type .




and a picture of 2 cacao plants (not too much can be seen of the second because it stands behind the first)




I guess it is a red jaboticaba tree. Prima! Jaboticaba in Deutschland

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Adam, I took those new growth leaves from small trees which were kept in small containers. The following photos were from  larger trees which have more elongated and darker leaves.
Honestly, these trees were not grown from seeds, I bought them from my friend in taiwan who is not sure what variety it is. I think it is possible M. Oblongata according to the description of the book  Brazilian Fruits & Cultivated Exotics by Harri Lorenzi et al.  The fruit shape, darker color of the leaf and the sour taste are for me associated with M.oblongata.







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Thanks Rock,

the main feature I notice about my tree is that the growth habit is very low and the canopy spreads out laterally.

also, the growth rate is somewhat fast....this tree has been out growing almost all of the other jaboticabas I have, that were grafted at the same time.

the fruits were not any larger than a regular sized sabara fruit...but the tree only made a small crop (this was the first crop ever, this year)

One other feature about the plant I have, I notice that the flowers have very small peduncles...where they are tightly packed right up against the trunk of the tree...the total opposite of M. trunciflora.

here are pics of the mother tree, from which I got scions.







Adam, I think my sour jaboticaba has the same feature as yours.









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first seedless lychee
« on: June 23, 2014, 08:55:06 AM »
哇~Rock大
你有種無核荔喔,好吃嗎?自然會豐產嗎?還是要噴一些促進劑?

According to Bing (shiver) translate (which is surprisingly better than google in this instance), this translates to:

Wow ~Rock
You have a seedless Litchi Oh, delicious? do natural high-yield? is to spray a number of Accelerator?

Am I correct in thinking that this translates to:

 You have a seedless litchi? Is it delicious? Is it high-yielding?  Did you have to spray any chemicals?

Wow!!!!!  Completely Correct

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first seedless lychee
« on: June 23, 2014, 08:51:31 AM »
so it is a yellow lychee?

Jeff, it's not yellow . I picked the fruit before it turned red because I love fruit with a little bit sour flavor. I have tasted a normal fruit, it was red skin and much larger  than mine.

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Rock,

i'm just curious if you can tell me about the new growth of the Sour jaboticaba....I believe I might have one...

the new growth on my plant is quite fuzzy...but when the leaves mature they are pretty much hairless.

Would you say that yours is the same?


Adam,
Will take a photo of new growth soon.
Here are my old photos. The fruit shape look different from sabara's.  it tastes very sour even if the fruit color turns black but if ripe enough the fruit can also be quite sweet.











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