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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Source for large fruit trees in Florida?
« on: September 20, 2020, 10:05:52 PM »
Call Green's nursery in Apopka FL. They can also get you large trees. Prices are very reasonable too (i.e. cheaper than most nurseries in C. Florida)


I'm pretty sure that's a Phoenix, and a big one. The white spots on the fruit is typical of Phoenix (and Mallika). Here's a pic of the last two Phoenix mangos still hanging in St. Pete (3rd bloom).

Looks like aphid damage and/or scab... BUT you really should post this to the "Mango Pests, Diseases, and Nutritional Problems" thread where the bona fide experts hang out. You'll get a much more accurate response there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2020 Mango Season (Florida)
« on: January 27, 2020, 01:46:12 AM »
How long the wait? my tree about 8-10ft, trunk about 4-5inch diameter. I'm thinking to chop it down if it not blooming soon.

Post a pic of your Maha tree. I'm in St. Pete and we got a hard freeze on Jan 18, 2018 and it wiped out all blooms. Of the 2 Mahas in my yard, only 1 tree reflowered and fruited that year.
My Mahas were planted in 2013 (first fruited 2015) and 2014 (first fruited 2017) as 7 gals. Your tree may just be taking a little longer (as Alex suggested above). However, with a 4-5 in diameter trunk, that tree should be fruiting. Curious.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian
« on: January 20, 2020, 07:30:33 PM »
There wasnít a label on them that I can remember. My wife says they are around $3 a pound. They are around 5 pounds with 5 or more sections. They are good, usually these frozen ones are bland and weird frozen texture but these taste as close to fresh considering itís  imported. Seeds should be unviable but planted some anyways.

It's most likely a Monthong or a another cultivar from Thailand. Similar pricing ($3-$4 per lb) for frozen Thai durians in St. Pete. Every once in a while, I'll see fresh Monthongs (not previously frozen) at the ethnic grocery stores for $10.00/lb. Tried a couple of times and although better (i.e. more ripe) than the readily available frozen ones, they were not impressive. Glad you liked it. Now look out for the Musang Kings !! The taste difference is like night vs. day.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian
« on: January 20, 2020, 05:08:05 PM »
Monthong or Musang King ? Price per lb ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phoenix mango
« on: July 19, 2019, 11:18:33 AM »

"Heresy" or "hearsay?"  I don't think it's heresy that it would be a great mango!

Hahaha... you're right on "heresy". Should be "hearsay". One of the many baggages of growing up religious... :-[ but that's another thread. This mango is now solidly entrenched in my top 20.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phoenix mango
« on: July 19, 2019, 10:02:45 AM »
Gambit that is some serious protection!Yours is very well blushed getting very close.i'm drooling

Haha... agree that it is that good. The exceptional taste surprised us, as we've never tried it before, but stuck one in the ground based on "heresy"... Detected a tiny hint of resin, much less than Bombay or Jakarta. Very much like an Indian Alphonso in flavor depth. Last season's freeze in St. Pete hit the tree pretty hard and took out the blooms, but it bounced back nicely and fast.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phoenix mango
« on: July 19, 2019, 09:18:16 AM »
So I had my first Phoenix mango off a small tree ,the only one on that tree.It had started to change color so picked it let set 3 days and.... I think it is in the top 5 for me flavor was like a mix of bombay or white pari crossed with dot.Also no anthracnose so very clean,now waiting for the other tree to ripen with 5 on it. Nice complex flavor very sweet not to much acid good balance.

Right on point, John.
This is also the first crop from my backyard. I let it ripen until it's ready to drop at the slightest touch. Definitely a top-tier mango. Only have one tree to observe, but this tree is a fast grower and looks like it wants to be big.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Stop Hori bat damage
« on: July 03, 2019, 02:55:21 AM »
A  cam is a good idea.
Nope they also eat foliage & a picture would show that only easy accessed parts are bothered.
I have heard ( no pun) that ultrasound may work.
I  need get more info on this .

Carolyn is correct. The Hoary bat is strictly an insectivore. It is something else that is stripping the leaves and eating fruits. You definitely need to document this with hard evidence. Who knows, you might have just discovered an up-to-now unknown frugivorous species of bats in Hawaii. For your sake, I really hope that there are no frugivorous bats in Hawaii.

Nobody yet knows what the Hoary bat hearing range is. Although you can get a decent estimation of what the animal hears based on its echolocation frequencies (which is available), the use of an ultrasonic repellant is not a good idea, since pollinating insects and other good bugs may also hear ultrasound and stay away from your blooms. Ultrasonic repellant has never been an effective deterrent, simply because high-frequency sounds are very directional, easily blocked by obstacles, and does not propagate far.

So your best bet is to first prove that the Hoary bat is raiding your fruits, and is indeed a frugivore or omnivorous in its food preference. There are such bats, but not in Hawaii, unless they were "accidentally" introduced to the islands. It would certainly be BIG news to the scientific community.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mangifera aquaea
« on: June 30, 2019, 04:16:17 PM »
is there more to that article for jstor subscribers?

I'm wondering about the taste, like is it worth collecting seeds and planting.

Not worth much of anything, IMO. It grows wild in Malaysia. Extremely sour when green and unripe; extremely sour, juicy, and fibrous when ripened. The unripe fruits are usually harvested and included in salads (mostly "rujak") with other fruits. They're also commonly pickled. Also called "mempelam" by locals.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 Indian Mango Season
« on: June 11, 2019, 05:13:55 PM »
Have anyone bought any Indian Mango recently?  My first batch from the store was very bad, kesar and alphonso.  I had to compost about half of the mango due to taste.  They were bland flavor wise.

I bought a box of Alphonsos and Banganpalli from my favorite Indian grocer about 10 days ago. It's always a coin toss whether you're gonna get something very good or bad. I got lucky this year though. The Banganpallis were as good as you can get and the Alphonsos were fantastic, with only a couple with small spots of spongy tissue and no internal breakdown, which is pretty common in Alphonsos. Generally I will encounter jelly seed and internal breakdowns in imported Indian/Pakistani mangos, but not this season (so far). The Kesars the wife got on June 8 were spectacular, much better than previous years. Some internal breakdown, but in only a few. It may all boil down to just how stringent the export companies and their farmers maintain their standards...

The pics were taken within the first day of purchase.
Alphonso, Banganpalli, Kesar, Kesar

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these maha chanok ripe?
« on: June 06, 2019, 03:18:44 PM »
Not sure if it is coincidence or not, but I haven't had any more fruit drop prematurely since I started giving extra water. So fingers crossed I get a couple to ripen this year=)

Both our Maha trees tend to shed a lot of fruit when they're approx. 3 in or less. After that there are very few drops. Through the years, we've also been regularly watering them throughout the season, 2 to 3 times a week. My soil, if you can call it that in south St. Pete is all bleached beach sand, drains and dries fast. With temps in the high 80s and low 90s, which is unseasonably high for this time of the year, we water religiously. We adopted this watering schedule especially for the Nam Dok Mai #4, which is prone to splitting with uneven watering.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is E4 Top Tier Mango ?
« on: June 05, 2019, 09:26:45 AM »
I noticed in Gambit's picture, the E-4 was picked green,  is this one of those varieties that stay green when they ripen,  or do they ripen well picked green like that,  to me that is a desired feature for a tree that might be an easy access to passerby's.

Every one of the E4's turned out excellent, and stayed green when ripe. One fruit did did not even lightened up when we cut into it 3-4 days later. I don't prefer tart mangos, but the E4's had just a slight tartness to balance out the sweet. I have a sweet tooth and IMO the Sweet Tarts in my yard are too sour for me, albeit it's in its first year of fruiting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is E4 Top Tier Mango ?
« on: June 02, 2019, 04:32:48 PM »
Pic of E4 and Coco Cream for comparison

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is E4 Top Tier Mango ?
« on: June 02, 2019, 04:01:38 PM »
Which mango would rate best in taste Coconut cream or E4 ?

Thanks Ed

E4 is more flavorful than Coco Cream. While Coco Cream is very coconutty and sweet, E4 is both that and comes with some tartness and tasted mangoey. E4 is definitely a must-have.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these maha chanok ripe?
« on: June 02, 2019, 03:04:25 PM »

Cookie Monster,
We've noticed that some, but not many, do get that jelly-like over-ripeness close to the seed. There's is a nice hint of tartness even when the Mahas are left alone to ripen fully on the tree. It's usually eaten within 2 days of harvesting. We both prefer our mangos sweet, so it ripens on the tree. Pic of the Maha this season...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these maha chanok ripe?
« on: June 02, 2019, 03:00:21 PM »
Interesting. My tree gets a good bit of gypsum and it's atop a pile of limestone fill, but it still seems to get mild ripening issues (where the flesh around the seed is more ripe than the flesh near the skin) unless I pick it mature green.

Does yours have any tart to it when eaten fully yellow like that?

Nice looking maha btw.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango tree disease Anthracnose??
« on: April 03, 2019, 10:32:36 PM »
You may want to post this question to the "Mango Pests, Diseases, and Nutritional Problems" thread in this forum. You'll most likely get more viewing and accurate diagnosis in that thread. I would also strongly recommend that you go through above thread, as it's quite an extensive enclyclopedia of mango diseases and fixes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please id this Pakistani mango
« on: April 02, 2019, 02:42:06 PM »
More like Sindhri, including the description of its flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anyone tried this on their mango?
« on: March 16, 2019, 10:37:28 PM »
The brownish liquid in the bottle is fish emulsion, like a fertilizer.  It is really concentrated that you could probably smell it 30 feet away when applied. It is not the fish sauce that I have been using all my life on daily basis.

Good to know that it's not fish sauce, which I regularly use in papaya salad and other Thai curries. Do you have the ingredients of the fish emulsion ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anyone tried this on their mango?
« on: March 16, 2019, 09:46:43 PM »
If that brown liquid is indeed "fish sauce" that SE Asians use in their cooking, and I suspect it is, then that is one mighty uninformed practice!! Fish sauce is mainly fermented fish and salt (i.e., sodium chloride, and lots of it). One sure way of killing your mango tree !!!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New variety of Durians for $1000 each
« on: January 29, 2019, 05:46:32 PM »
Apparently the Psych student paid attention during the "cognitive dissonance" lecture... ;D

"But i dont see any thing about Powdery mildew on my tree . What is going on now is flowers withering with no sing of Powdery mildew at all . Is this another kind of Powdery mildew?"

Looks like cold damage, especially on the highest blooms. My tree showed the same damage after a short freeze last January in St. Pete.

exactly that was what happened to my tree it looks just like the pic u attached  thanks alot Gambit .
But did u lose all the blooms ? Did try to do something to save your tree ?

We waited for a couple of weeks and then pruned off the dead branches. The tree bounced back nicely and is currently flowering. We had a Venus mango (smaller tree) that froze to the roots at the same time. Your tree looks like it will recover. I would not prune just yet. Wait at least a couple of weeks to see the resultant damage before you prune. In the meantime, water the tree and give it some micros.

Good picture Gambit.

The browned leaves and stem are frost damaged, and the drooping of the bloom spikes is presumably from cold stress.  One can also see Anthracnose.

Oh yes, drooping blooms were from the freeze. And all my mango trees show signs of Anthracnose. We don't do much as long as the trees produce a few fruits each season. So far, the trees have come through for us pretty well... despite intermittent fungicide application.

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