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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mexicola flowering
« on: January 20, 2021, 11:03:45 AM »
I have 3 trees and they have been steady bearers.

Thanks for that info, pineislander.

So I wonder maybe that it's something that I'm not providing my 'Mexicola Grande' with while it's in flower.

Water?  (The soil in my yard is sandy and drains quickly.)  Fertilizer?  Not sure what might be needed to provide.

At about 17 feet tall now and 3-1/2 years in the ground it should be old / strong enough to hold fruit, ja?

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mexicola flowering
« on: January 19, 2021, 09:50:58 PM »
Just curious but is 'Mexicola Grande' one of those alternate bearers, flowering every year but setting fruit only every other year?  Or maybe it is just my tree that's acting that way, for whatever reason.

Should I do anything special while my tree is budding out its flowers, or during flowering to ensure a good fruitset?

I know that 'Mexicola Grande' si supposed to be self-fertile.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.

Oh I might go to Fairchild botanical garden in Miami I forgot about that

I also might fly back from fort Lauderdale so anything worth looking at in these area's

Just be sure tp phone Fairchild (and any other Florida places you plan to visit) beforehand since it seems that many such places are limiting access to their venues due to the pandemic. 

And if they are open on a limited basis then for that reason alone you may want to make a reservation.

Can't hurt to check first rather than travel a very long distance only to be turned away.

Just FWIW . . .

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting feijoa in florida
« on: January 16, 2021, 04:18:31 PM »
I'm beginning to suspect that there might be more to Feijoas needing a certain number of chilling hours than we tend to think.

Perhaps zone 9b doesn't always offer enough in the way of chilling hours to induce other than sporadic fruiting.

Just FWIW . . . .

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 12, 2021, 05:35:55 PM »
Do you do any kind of hand pollinating? Does it form fruitlets (like the one below) and then drop them, or did the flowers just drop without any pollination? It could be a pollination issue if you only have one tree. Often bees don't like avocados as much as other stuff and depending on climate there may not be a lot of male/female phase overlap.

Plenty of bees were working my avocado, so that prolly wasn't the reason for no fruit.  The flowerss just eventually dropped and no fruitlets ever formed.  "Mexicola Grande' is purported to be self fertile which is one of the reasons that I chose it, another being that it is very cold hardy.

This plant may just've been too young, immature or not yet fully-enough established to set and hold any fruit.

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: January 12, 2021, 02:03:44 PM »
My 'Mexicola Grande' (grafted) started initiating its buds last week.  Hope that it will finally give me some fruit this season.

It has been in the ground since March '17 and flowered in '18 but gave me no fruit.  In '19 it bloomed profusely but set only one fruit which fell off and spoiled  on the ground before we had noticed it.  Then it skipped flowering in '20 completely!

So I'm hoping this year it will have enough strength to set & hold some fruit.  It should be strong enough because it quickly shot up to about 16 to17 feet tall in just three years after starting out at three feet tall in March 2017 when it got planted out. 

It needs to be topped at the end of this season to make it easier to harvest in future.  (I'm guessing that it won't mind being pugged now that it has been in the ground for going on four years.)

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finding tropical fruit nurseries...
« on: January 05, 2021, 05:53:46 PM »
I'm open to suggestions for where to visit. I intend to drive so I can bring plants home with me, and from what I'm looking out I'll need to drive 15+ hours.

Don't forget to check out Just Fruits & Exotics in Crawfordville, FL.  It's just SW a few miles outside Tallahassee proper.  That could maybe save you a few hours of drivetime if they have what you are looking for.

JF&E offers many things suitable for zone 9a and cooler.


Paul M.

I have 4 White sapotes: 

~ 'Redland' - grafted x 2

~ 'Suebelle' seedling x 1

~ seedlng (Unk. parentage) x 1

All are growing in full sun in pots right now 'till they are big enough to put into the ground. One of the 'Redland' is large enough to plant in ground this season and could bloom this season or maybe by next season.  It may benefit by being topped.  It is about 7-feet tall and unbranched.  Should it be topped?  When?  Down to how tall?  Should topping it encourage it to bloom?  Can the topped section be rooted easily?

The other three above-mentioned Casimroas are all under 3-feet tall right now, so aren't ready to go into the ground.

Good luck assembling your bloom season chart for all those cultivars!

Paul M.

Hey Half Hop, great question.  I've been wondering about that, too.

But is your dwarf mango in the ground or in a large pot?

Mine (3) –a dwarf and 2 semi-dwarfs– are in 7 gallon pots but don't think that they're really big enough (only about five to six feet tall) so it may not be a good idea to top these just now. 

Hope some of the main mango mavens on here will come through with some good advice for us.

Happy New Year, All . . .


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Fruit in video games
« on: December 29, 2020, 06:19:55 PM »
Hey, weren't there bananas in some of the iterations of PacMan

I seem to remember bananas as 'prizes' that granted extra points when 'eaten'.

Paul M.

Well, aside from the most common name swiss cheese plant, Mexican breadfruit is another "common" name for this plant.

Never heard it called any sort of 'breadfruit' and its fruit is nothing like a true breadfruit since it is an aroid and more closely related to things like the philodendrons and pothos.

The only other name I've heard Monstera deliciosa called –besides swiss cheese plant– is 'ceriman', but a search on Google turned up on the Purdue Hort. site that in Mexico and Central America it is often called 'piñanona' or 'piña anona', which I'd not heard used before.


Paul M.

"What's the most invasive species on Earth?"
Humans are.  We are the cancer of the Earth...

Not so much a cancer as a monoculture, this thing called the human race; and certainly not entirely unlike some vast field of wheat waiting for a plague of locusts to arrive and devour it; or perhaps, a field of corn, enticing some fungus called corn smut to run amok through it.  (Well in Mexico at least, corn smut is called huitlacoche (or Mexican Truffles) and it a delicacy used in traditional cooking there.)

Just FWIW . . . .

Paul M.

What did your daytime highs recover to after 37 low at night?

Both days were in the 50s.  Warmer tho, tom'w...


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help. I need to buy 400 pot 10 gallon
« on: December 27, 2020, 10:00:17 PM »
Read the thread from the top and the answer is revealed. Nutrien ag solutions is the cheapest wholesaler. They sell every pot size you need.

Let me google that for you says: yes, right near TB.

Whoops, I managed to overlook that in the text when I read thru it the fiirst time and actually, yes, I recognize the place, thanx.  I used to drive past the place years ago when I would go visit my folks in Bartow.  But it was something else back then.

Anyway it's really over in Polk County, not Hillsborough County, which makes it about an hour away, about the same travel time as to Winter Garden via I-4.

Don't mean to sound ungreateful for the info but I was really hoping for something closer in to Tampa. That said I'll try phoning NuAg up and see what they've got.


Paul M.

UPDATE — My large Rollina deliciosa in a 7-gallon pot stayed out and went thru 37ºF. for a second night in a row.  It looks ok but the leaves are a bit droopy.  I expect that they'll recover, though.

I put my two seedling ones inside during the cold not trusting that they'd be large enough to survivie that much cold yet.

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help. I need to buy 400 pot 10 gallon
« on: December 27, 2020, 03:52:14 PM »
Hi All,

Wonderfruit's question has got me curious now . . . 

Is there any place in west central Florida (i.e., the Tampa Bay area) closer than Diamond-R in Winter Garden which sells reasonably priced pots like he is looking for, but also in smaller sizes, too, such as 3-, 5-, and 7-gallon ones.

All my small fruit tree seedlings will be needing this year to be moved up into larger pots.

TIA  &  Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Geodesic dome greenhouse build
« on: December 25, 2020, 02:32:04 AM »
I received a message today on YouTube from SeaWalnut and he is still with us... checks in regularly... glad you are still there SeaWalnut!

That's good to learn, Kevin.

And thanks again for the rare melon seeds... I will plant them in the spring and give you a full report.

Likewise I received a generous number of those same melon seeds along with a very nice written note for how to care for them asking that I please share some of them, which I plan to do since I received more seeds than I will ever have room to grow.  And that's part of what SW was hoping would happen; that some of the seeds be shared.


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Butterscotch Sapodilla
« on: December 24, 2020, 08:39:11 PM »
Sorry, but the asking prices for this 'Butterscotch' clone are STILL rather too rich for my blood. 

I remain of the opinion that it is advisable to just wait 'til most of the hoopla dies down somewhat and there's enough folks out there who are reporting their experiences with growing or grafting it so that we are comfortable that most of the 'bugs' of this new cultivar seem to have been worked out of it.  And if that takes a couple of years, well then so be it!



Here in Tampa (9b) we are forecast to have a low of 37ºF on SAT morning after Xmas.

Wondering who has had experience with low temps with the following several tropical fruit trees:

~ Meiogyne cylindrgcarpa (Fingersop)  -  1 ft tall n 1 gal pot
~ Murraya koenigii (Curryleaf)  - 14" tall in 1 gal pot
~ Rollinia deliciosa (Biribá)  -  1 in 7-gal pot @ 5 ft tall w/ 1-1/2 dia trunk; 2 others in 1 gal pots 18" tall w/ 3/16" stems
~ Pouteria viridis (Green sapote) - 4 of 'em in 1 gal pots about 10" to 12" in tall

Not real sure about the above so am asking, in Y'all's experience should these make it thru 37ºF without any damage or should they be brought inside?

Will move the abius and P. tomentosa inside as well as my Eugenia stipatata which all have withstood as low as 41ºF and 45º, too, several times.

All the citrus and mangos will stay outside this time 'round, including Eugenias candolleana, calycina, selloi, plus one large fruiting sized Pitangtuba.  Not so sure about the Pitombas, which are still small 8" to 10" tall-but-sturdy seedlings.

How about an ilama, a 'Gefner' and sugar apple  (all in 5 gal.)?  Stay out or go inside at 37º?

This is my first year of really testing for cold tolerances in a number of things which I did not have last year at this time.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.

The problem could also come from your ph being too high or maybe too much sun for its respective age.

Don't think that it's the sun; they're in a mostly shady situation and only get early morning or late afternoon sun directly.

It might be the pH, though, except that three of the four are where they are getting rained on directly.  Only one is getting filtered water given manually because it is in a 4" pot.  And as earlier mentioned they have been given 1/4-strength water-soluble fertilizer about every third or fourth watering.

And on all four of these individuals the new leaves emerge, expand, and mature perfectlly green and healthy.  It is only a few weeks later that they start to show edge burn –and that is usually after the next set of new leaves has emerged and matured. 

I'm wondering whether it might be the amount of water that they are receiving.  I was told by the seller in HI that in nature they receive a lot of water in their native habitat.

It's all very curious and I'd really like to succeed with these cambucá!

¡Saludos! William . . .

Thanx Oscar. 

I  had been wondering about that.  I filter my water (using a PŪR faucet-end filter) for many of my tropical fruit seedings that are just getting started in small 4-in, and smaller, pots but possibly by not fully flushing these little plants salts are slowly building up in the mix.

The pots (including those cambucás in gallons), even though I am mostly using filtered water on them, do sound like they need to get fully flushed so you may be onto something that I need to start doing with these cambucás as well as with some of my other small seedling fruit trees.

Much appreciated.

Paul M.==

I have four seedling cambucás (Plinia edulis) in one gallon pots and they make nice new leaves but then later after they are mature for about a month the leaves very slowly start to die back at the edges.

They have been fertilized occasionally, but at 1/4-strength with water-soluble fertilizer.

What does this leaf-burn sound like? (Sorry but have no photos.)  Is it that they are over sensitive to solute in the water?  Do they need to be flushed with water more?  Would they maybe benefit from being put into into an extra deep pot to offer more root run?  Or what . . .  ?

Any advice or help would be welcome.


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Ultra rare butterscotch sapodila
« on: December 21, 2020, 11:06:55 PM »
Tsk–tsk–tsk!  Way too rich for my blood!

I'll wait 'til the prices come down –and I'm sure that they will, eventually.

Meanwhile for that $200 bucks I am sure I can buy myself some eight or ten other interesting tropical fruit trees.


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Glycosmis pentaphilla seeds for sale
« on: December 19, 2020, 05:16:55 PM »
Seeds arrived promptly (today), were well packed; already germinating, which was unexpected!

I'd buy from this member again.

Thanx Derek!!


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: annonaceae<3
« on: December 19, 2020, 12:28:52 PM »
. . .  there are quite some more cold hardy annonas though, like annona montana, rollinia (cold tolerant ones), marolo lisa, etc.

Cold tolerant Rollinia, eh?  Which species?  Would that perhaps imply that certain R. deliciosa strains are more cold tolerant than others?  Which cultivars (named)?  How cold tolerant?  Mine just went thru 41ºF. plus several other days of 43-45ºF, too, and seems unfazed except for some leaves turning yellow.  It's in a 7 gallon pot now and about 4; tall with the main trunk at 1-1/2" dia.  It is out under the sky, getting full sun.  Also sits in a saucer to provide it with ample water.

And, BTW, my Ilama is holding  up well; its leaves are still green.  It is next to an A. squamosa whose leaves ar starting to turn yellow.  Both are in 5 gallon pots and are  4' and 3' tall respectively.

There is also an Atemoya 'Gefener' which sits out near the Rollinia and is showing leaf yellowing but otherwise is fine.

Lastly I bought one of those Annona sp. (Golden Sugar Apple, Pineapple Annona) from TT before I learned that it may just be a pond apple) and it also made it through 41ºF with no damage.  And I also got from TT an A. montana, currently in a 1 gallon pot and only 18" tall, which made it thru this same cold spell with no damage.

Hope that offers the OP some ideas about cold tolerance in Annonas.  This cold spell was a good test for me and all of the other tropical fruit that I've gotten remained unaffected. Even a Eugenia stipitata (Araça-boi) which is supposed to hate the cold and to stop growing at 60ºF, has kept growing and flowering, although it looked a bit wilty after 41ºF, but it has recovered and showed no damage other than a few of the flower buds browned off.


Paul M.

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