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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 21, 2019, 08:34:47 PM »
It looks like the little Yuzu seedling is recovering, several medium small leaves on it now.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 21, 2019, 01:33:03 PM »
Well, it's not much to brag about but the tiny keraji seedling still appears to be alive. You can see tiny little leaflets beginning to grow out of the stub in the ground.



This was the same tiny seedling you saw before that had one tiny leaf. Unfortunately there was an accident several months ago when the gardeners came through and lopped the top of the seedling off, and with it the little leaf.
And if you'll recall, this little seedling did have a plastic cover over it over the winter.

It's a small seedling, tiny now after the top died back from the winter, and then another 2 cm accidentally getting lopped off later.

(And let's not forget, the other keraji seedling that was bigger, and similarly covered, but was in a shadier spot, did not survive)

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The same substance that makes almonds poisonous is also where the flavor comes from.

In small amounts it's delicious.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sansho Pepper
« on: June 20, 2019, 02:44:16 PM »
Zanthoxylum (Szechuan pepper and Sansho) is indeed a relative of citrus, but I'm not sure that it's really appropriate to have them posted in the Citrus section.

They're not that closely related.

However, one old source does say this:
"Pollen from some citrus cultivars was sufficiently compatible with Z.
americanum for pollen germination and pollen tube growth, but offspring from attempted
Z. americanum x citrus crosses showed only Z. americanum morphology."
https://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/174819/Munter_umn_0130M_15987.pdf?sequence=1

It might just have been possible the citrus pollen was inducing parthenocarpy in the Zanthoxylum, in which case the offspring might turn out to be haploid versions of Zanthoxylum.

The article went on to say:
"Seedlings germinated from Z. americanum x citrus crossings showed only Z. americanum morphology with no obvious indications of any citrus parentage.  The seedlings will be examined as they mature for any indications of citrus parentage as it is possible that the Z. americanum x citrus seedlings have not yet exhibited their citrus characteristics.  Nevertheless, the Z. americanum x citrus crosses were likely unsuccessful in producing intergeneric hybrids.  If Z. americanum x citrus sexual crosses do prove to be futile, somatic hybridization or microprotoplast fusion are future avenues to explore for intergeneric gene exchange to develop truly cold hardy citrus that combine Z. americanum cold hardiness with citrus fruiting traits"

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted: Prunus Mume
« on: June 19, 2019, 08:24:26 PM »
I bought some Mume fruits at a Japanese market and still have the seeds. Better contact in the next few days, or I might be trashing them.

Keep in mind that they are unlikely to grow well in San Diego since, like other stone fruits, they probably have a chill requirement.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 18, 2019, 04:06:59 PM »
Bloomsweet



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sansho Pepper
« on: June 18, 2019, 03:54:51 PM »
I had fresh Sansho in Japan, it was very good. It was peppery, but in a more subtle way, a little bit like Szechuan pepper, but more green and had a slightly floral aroma to it, and was reminiscent of citrus, with a "salty" lime flavor, and Yuzu or Kaffir lime fragrance, but also half like lemongrass, and slightly sweet.

It would be great for making beef jerky.

You don't want to use too much of it though, it's best mixed with other spices in a smaller amount to add subtle unique flavor.

The berries taste better than the leaves (which can also be used). The seeds are shaken out and removed from the dried berries before use.

Of course like Szechuan pepper, it gives a tingly numbing sensation to the tongue, but it's half as strong. This numbing sensation is a little bit like drinking highly carbonated water while having a device applying high frequency vibration to the tongue, and on top of that pins and needles, but it's not entirely unpleasant. In smaller amounts.
It's "peppery" in both a similar way to Black pepper and hot peppers, but also in its own unique way.

The Japanese sometimes use it in Japanese 5-spice as a condiment to Yakitori, or in the broth of fatty fish dishes, when they need something to "cut through" the fat/richness. (like Saba mackerel)

You need both the male and female plants if you want to get any berries to form, so you'd probably need to grow several seedlings together. (Although the leaves can also be used)

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Some rare variety hardy seedlings
« on: June 17, 2019, 12:54:26 AM »
Will these plants be exposed to this coming winter's outdoor temperatures?

I'm not sure yet. I'd prefer to graft them on trifoliate, or a trifoliate hybrid, before putting planting them outside, and so far I don't really have any trifoliate hybrids big enough to graft onto, and I would probably want to grow the graft on to the rootstock inside to ensure it takes, which could take even more time before it goes outside.
It might survive on its own roots, if I just planted it outside right now, but from my experience with this last Winter, I am reluctant to take any chances.

I'm confident it would survive, I'm just concerned it might be killed back and be a third of its size, which would be a big setback. I'd like to try planting it out on trifoliate. However, they are rapidly outgrowing their containers, and it's difficult for me to have many large containers growing inside.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Marsh Grapefruit
« on: June 16, 2019, 03:57:30 PM »
Bob, I don't think it's the age or length of time. Grapefruit require a lot of heat to properly sweeten up. There's a reason commercial grapefruit are not grown in California.
I've had Oroblanco grapefruit that was grown in Riverside, a hot desert-like part of Southern California. They were very good.
There is a fair amount of Oroblanco grapefruit commercially grown in California, probably in the hotter parts away from the coast, but still in areas further south or not too far inland so they do not have to contend with frost.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Some rare variety hardy seedlings
« on: June 16, 2019, 02:48:37 PM »
Ichangquat seedlings, much bigger now with many leaves


Ichang papeda cutting

was taken from a tree growing outside in a garden in downtown Portland, has been growing very well

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Marsh Grapefruit
« on: June 15, 2019, 10:29:38 PM »
Not even a quick mention to how your tree is surviving in the ground in Colorado?

That's kind of an important detail.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus in the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 15, 2019, 06:34:46 PM »
Unfortunately the tiny little keraji seedling that got killed down nearly to the ground, but still held onto a very tiny green leaf, got accidentally hacked further down by a gardening crew a few months ago. However, the bottom stem did remain a green color, though not the healthiest looking green.

I think I now see a tiny little green bud growing out of it, or trying to grow out.
June 15

Might still be a little too early to tell but I think it is technically still alive. The seedling is tiny though, not even an inch above the ground.


The little bud that looked like it was just starting to leaf out on the Ten Degree looks like it has shriveled up and fallen off.

However, now I see another green bud forming.

I'm not getting my hopes up though because this Ten Degree has continued trying to grow out green buds during periods of heat, but then a stretch of cold comes along, and then the next day the little buds shrivel up in the sun, like the tree just does not have enough energy to keep pushing out the little buds that have formed.

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I see that by your Charlie Brown citrus trees... You really need to find another hobby.
Funny. They did survive over the Winter though.
Under 18 inches of snow. That type of Winter is a once in a decade thing here.

jim VH in Portland tells me Yuzu trees just need about two years in the ground before they really start growing and become more hardy.

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You mean 2129 in that climate....

I actually get a lot of heat in this part of the PNW. The trouble is that heat keeps turning on and off.
It's also a short growing season, but the length of daylight is very long in the Summer. Vegetables can grow huge here due to the long days.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: a few pictures from the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 12, 2019, 11:09:02 PM »
Here's the very small Yuzu seedling that survived the Winter, it now has several small leaves growing out of it.


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Report back in 2029 with how the fruit tastes!
It will probably be as elongated as the leaves!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Variegated Thomasville Citrangequat
« on: June 10, 2019, 01:10:38 PM »
Of course, keep in mind that variegated cultivars may not have as much vigor, because they have less chlorophyll, and might not be able to grow as fast or recover from damage as easily.

I don't want to bust anyone's bubble, but I've never really understood what all the excitement is about when it comes to variegated cultivars. To me they look a bit sickly. Personally, I prefer the look of non-variegated, but that's just me.
But if you want to count variegated cultivars are rare, for a collector, I suppose that counts too.

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Citrus General Discussion / unusual seedling with elongated leaves
« on: June 10, 2019, 12:20:01 AM »
This is a seedling from a Shasta Gold mandarin, a triploid variety, which rarely ever has any seeds.
At first I thought something else was growing in there, perhaps a weed, but then I saw on closer inspection that it was citrus. I had planted two germinating seeds in there.

These are both seedlings from Shasta Gold but one has unusually elongated leaves. Perhaps it is aneuploid.
The other has very thick stubby leaves and reminds me of what tetraploid citrus might look like.
Funny things can happen when you grow citrus seedlings from triploid cultivars, and I don't think Shasta Gold produces nucellar seeds.
All of the Shasta Gold seedlings I've tried growing (let's just say I went through a lot of fruits to get those seeds) have turned out weak and slow growing, oftentimes kind of stunted, unusually so. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: trying to root C. ichangensis
« on: June 09, 2019, 11:55:47 PM »
The ichangensis cuttings are doing very well, putting on healthy leaf growth



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: a few pictures from the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 09, 2019, 11:05:39 PM »
Here's the Bloomsweet, that survived the Winter under a cover



It managed to grow out a few leaves, despite severe damage to the trunk. (leaves grew out above the damage)

and of course it was not one of the mild Winters this year
the cover had breathable fabric on the top, though that was covered in snow

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: a few pictures from the Pacific Northwest
« on: June 09, 2019, 09:46:48 PM »
Here's a Yuzu I just planted

This Yuzu actually survived in a container, inside greenhouse when the roof completely collapsed in due to the weight of snow.
The greenhouse was still intact when the coldest temperature hit (12-14 F), although the greenhouse had a lot of big cracks leaking in cold air. Just two or three days later there was even more snow and that's when the collapse happened, so there effectively was not a roof after that, it was open to the elements. This Yuzu (in the picture) lost all its leaves but later regrew them, being left in the container outside. Another Yuzu that was in there kept its leaves. (They are from different nurseries so might have to do with the rootstock)

I had to dig out the Satsuma that died, and planted this Yuzu in its place.
The Satsuma was covered throughout the Winter, up until early April. There were three gallon water containers in there, that never froze even during the coldest temperature drop in Winter. It was a colder Winter than usual, and with a deep blanket of snow, which is not usual here.

Here is a picture of the graft union on the Satsuma tree:

The Satsuma part is dead and brown, while the rootstock section right below the graft union is still a deep green. (June 9 )
It obviously was not a rootstock issue, the Satsuma scion simply was not able to survive the cold temperatures apparently.
This was up against a south-facing fence, in a warmer spot in the yard.

The Satsuma actually looked like it was likely going to survive, despite the leaves looking completely trashed, until the middle of April when the full damage started to become evident.

(The Satsuma was covered with a special clear vinyl plastic plant enclosure, it had a flimsy frame that quickly collapsed under the weight of snow)

So it looks like Satsuma (or at least a small Satsuma) cannot survive through the colder Winters here, even covered, with passive protection.
But Yuzu looks like it can survive, and even do very well with just the slightest bit of protection.

I actually went out there, just 3 or 4 hours before temperatures were expected to dip to their lowest point, and filled the three water containers with hot water and put them back under the covering. Apparently even that was not enough to save the Satsuma. This was late at night I went out there and there was no ice in the containers before I changed it out with hot water, which was surprisingly because there was already a foot of snow on the ground which had been there for a few days, and the days had remained cold.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Ebay & etsy seed
« on: June 07, 2019, 06:06:36 PM »
Why would you think an online seed seller, who sells hundreds of completely different plant seeds, which are not fresh and have just been shelved in storage for years, probably bought from someone else in wholesale, would have any idea what specific type of plant his seeds came from?

The seller probably never tried planting most of the seeds they are selling.

Many sellers also have no idea that citrus seeds rapidly lose viability in storage, despite selling those seeds.

From my experience, the maximum length of time citrus seeds can last, not refrigerated, but at cool temperatures, and kept from drying out, but not too moist that would encourage germination or rot, is about 5 or 6 weeks.

That doesn't exactly make citrus seeds economical for a bulk seed seller, especially one that primarily sells other types of seeds.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang lemon Sebastien
« on: June 06, 2019, 05:31:53 PM »
I have a bad experience with Ichang Lemon, tried to grow  it three times, they resist no more than three years in my climate.
I've had a similar experience here, in the US Pacific Northwest. My Ichang lemon (in a container) has not been very vigorous and has not seemed very cold hardy. Yuzu has done much better.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Too hoti
« on: June 06, 2019, 02:36:19 PM »
58 F here in Olympia, WA, 11:30 middle of the day

It's because of cool winds blowing in from the cold Pacific Ocean, which is flowing down from Alaska.

But it reached a hot 78 a few days ago.

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I have for the moment four generations of its seedlings, if grafted on poncirus, they, even slowly growing on there roots, have the same hardiness and fruit quality.
Ilya, did all of them look like my seedling in the seedling stage, with mostly monofoliate leaves?

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