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This kind of plant will grow without any care in inland southern CA.  Maybe a few waterings during summer and anual fertilizer and it will grow really fast.  We dont ever have watering bans either Karen.  They just dont want people watering their grass everyday when theres a drought. 

Hard to believe people even have lawns here to be honest.  Even in Arizona people grow grass and water it everyday to keep it green.  Its really makes no sense. 

I talked to you about making plants.  I will be doing some avocado seedlings in .7gal 5x9" tall pots for grafting and mail shipping.  Bear with me as it takes a long time to go from seed to hardened off graft.  Once I have seeds in a state ready to graft I will check back to see if you still want trees and what you want grafted.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego garden photos
« on: Today at 12:43:55 PM »
Hello Spaugh,

    Is your place close to Rawhide Ranch in Bonsall, Ca?
You have an awesome place!  Congrats

Thanks for the kind words.  We are planting a lot right now and trying to get it done before the heat kicks in.  I will post more photos once more stuff goes in.  Its fun to look at before and after photos.

Bonsall is about 30 miles north of here.

Heres some more photos

Mangos are store mangos for rootstock.

Had some reeds drop early off an immature tree but they were actually pretty good quality still.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: Today at 10:50:10 AM »
Had my first flower of the season pop a few days ago.  Looks like a few others are starting to bud.  I did pollinate it but it was also covered in ants so so maybe they will take care of that here.  Unfortunately they are nasty fire ants that actually eat the new growth on the vines.  Really hard to get rid of these ants.

Thats good you grow fuerte.  Its called fuerte for a reason.  I think it may suffer more in the heat than the cold.  At least mine seems to get a bit dried out during heat waves andhot winds but then bounces right back.  Reed on the other hand seems to be conpletely unphased by heat.  I have 6 reeds and same thing with all of them, no problem with hot.  It doesnt get very cold here but my buddy greg lives further inland than me and got some frost this winter and his trees did fine.  By the time winter comes the new flushes should be pretty well hardened off.  As far as phoenix vs tuscon goes, it seems tuscon should be better since its a little cooler there during summer.  The fuerte tree should get big fast, that would be a good tree to use to multigraft to test other types also if you are unable to plant more trees.  Anyways, just throwing ideas and info out there.

Stewart is a good fruit and claimed to be very cold tolerant.  But, from my tree it seems not a super vigorous grower and not a dense flusher.  I think it might have issues with Sun burn in Tucson or vegas.

I think you guys growing avocados in the desert should tree growing reed, fuerte, and hass.  The fruits are superior and the trees are vigorous and make heavy flushes that should protect the bark from the cold AND the sun.  Maybe it's already been tried?  If not and you are just growing all these other types for fear of cold damage, you may really be cutting yourselves short.  I have a feeling some of these other mix race or pure Guatemalan race trees will do fine if other avocados are working for you.  The thing you have going for you is strong sunlight which makes a dense canopy.  If you look at trees grown in northern CA they tend to be lanky and spindly exposing branch and long internodes.  That's not a good thing when frost or a heatwave come.

Does anyone know if deer will eat mango trees?  There's certain plants like pepper trees, eucalyptus, and other things with latex sap they won't touch here.  Apparently they dont eat strawberry guavas also.  So just wondering if they might leave mangos alone since they are kind of strong smelling and sappy.  Would make planting them easier if they didn't need a fence.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocado reed problem what is it?
« on: May 21, 2018, 07:42:04 PM »
Persea mites.

Had them infect my grove last year and released californicus predator mites.  Took care of them and have no seen any this year.

For one tree you could spray with insecticidal soap oor horticultural oil miticide.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Papaya questions
« on: May 21, 2018, 05:44:29 PM »
Ive got 3 solo plants started in 5 gal pots from seeds out of grocery store fruit. I have a few questions to make sure they do ok after moving to the ground.

1.) Do I need all 3?  I really only want to grow one but know they may need a male and female to produce?  Should I plant 1, 2, or 3?

2.) Spacing of the plants?  10ft?  They are going on a hillside in fullsun, I expect them to get big.

3.) Ammending?  Cow manure, chicken manure ok?  Top dress with mulch, what else?

4.) Wind, its windy here.  Not much I can do about it.  Can give them a little shelter but they will be getting some wind.  Is it a deal breaker?

I always use my fingers and massage the roots on 5gal avocados when transplanting.  Just rough them up a bit and loosen them and break them a little.  If the tree was good size and root bound, you can hold the tree trunk up in one hand and tap down on the pot with the other and the pot will fall right off.  Then massage and plop in place.  Avocados are pretty tough plants, they dont need to be babied really.  You can let the containers get pretty dry before rewatering.

Did you try spinosad? 

Maybe I just need to try better ones.  Have only had 3 or 4 types.  The ones at the farmers market are usually over ripe and banged up.  My friend has a massive tree but the fruit is mediocre even picked just at the right time.  So far have not been wowed at all with them.  I have a chestnut seedling about 6ft tall in the ground.  I was hesitant to even plant this tree for fear it will attract rodents/birds and other unwanted pests once its producing and dropping fruits on the ground.

Unfotunately they dont ship well.  They bruise and get over ripe really easy.  If I see some at the farmers market that are on the hard side I could send some but will probably not make the trip.

To be honest the taste is not that great IMO.  Its kind of like a sweet avocado.  Like pear/avocado.  It takes a little practice then they are OK eating but certai ly not something I would do 3 trees of for personal consumption.  They are prolific also so 1 tree goes a long way.  They can drop a lot of fruit since they produce so much you cant eat it all.  It can become a messy tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee time
« on: May 16, 2018, 12:52:30 AM »
Its serious lychee time here at my place, 1 out of 3 trees on the property. Pretty hard to reach some of these, the tree was improperly pruned a number of years ago ... but it still seems happy

1st year for a good harvest. I believe this was a brewster planted some years ago.

I enjoyed some earlier today & decided to pick a few more and eat now...  There are probably 30 more on the small tree for later.

These were very sweet & tart combo & so fun to eat with the clear plump juicy flesh surrounded by the egg shell thin shell.

Sorry, didn't have time to stop and take a picture till they were all gone.... :P

Awesome.  What do you do with it all?

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Bird tape?
« on: May 15, 2018, 12:50:17 AM »
No issues with rotting the bags are very breathable.  Every peach comes out big and perfect.  I wouldnt recommend them otherwise.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green gold avocado tree
« on: May 14, 2018, 06:01:29 PM »
That bad huh?  Do you have a pic of the tree?  I already got a 15gal tree, just wondering where to put it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green gold avocado tree
« on: May 14, 2018, 01:22:37 PM »
You can also look at the 'varieties' page. I can't find an email or phone number for them but Epicenter seems like folks you might want to talk to.

Haha, everyone wants to talk to them but they don't want to talk (or sell trees).  I already got a tree, just trying to decide where to put it.  I am trying to not put large spreading trees right next to one another.  The info says medium upright growth

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Green gold avocado tree
« on: May 14, 2018, 12:06:13 PM »
Awesome website.  Thank you Jack. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Green gold avocado tree
« on: May 14, 2018, 10:42:17 AM »
Does anyone have a mature green gold avo tree?  Need input on size, shape, vigor of this type.  Big tree?  Column or spreading?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rainbow Eucalyptus
« on: May 14, 2018, 12:22:43 AM »
There's a lot of invasive eucalyptus around here on many of the neighbors properties but not really on the houses up on the hilltop. The houses below us in the canyon have them everywhere.  They can't get in the water table up here so they don't really get out of control.  I realize they are an invasive tree but some of them are quite stately.  I will try and photo a few of the really nice plating in poway.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 13, 2018, 07:55:38 PM »
I understand Carlos’ and others frustration and disappointment.

My first introduction and taste of Dragon Fruit was at a Farmer’s Market while on vacation with family on the island of Hawaii. At that moment I decided I wanted to try and grow Dragon Fruit at home in Southern California.

I acquired my first named Dragon Fruit cuttings at the UC Pitahaya Festival in Irvine, CA.
At the festival I got to taste many different varieties.
On that day, my favorites were Delight and Halley’s Comet.
Unlike most people who collect several varieties, I decided I was only going to grow the two varieties I like best.
When it came time to selecting the 5 free cuttings, unlike most people who selected 5 different cuttings, I chose to get only 5 Halley’s Comet.
The next year I went back and got 5 Delight cuttings.

Over the next few years I suffered frustration and disappointment from flower drop and no fruit. I also got a better understanding of “self fertile”, self-pollinating, hand pollinating, etc. I learned that growers who had several unrelated varieties producing flowers at or near the same time were not experiencing the frustration and disappointment I was having.

Once I got to the point of having enough unrelated flowering varieties, my luck on harvesting Dragon Fruit changed.

Do you still need to do hand pollination or have you found ones, or combos, that are able to fruit without your help?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rainbow Eucalyptus
« on: May 13, 2018, 07:53:07 PM »
I got a refund on the ebay tree and found a nursery with healthy looking trees for cheaper. 

Don't plant eucalyptus?  Why? 

I tried putting the RO on a banana and it rotted and blew over in the wind.  It is possible to over water a banana apparently.  And they don't like salt apparently. 

Sour diesel, yeah maybe something like that.  Surely not too late.   8)  Stays hot for a long time here.  Since we a closer to the equator days are shorter here also.  Makes things happen earlier than up north.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rainbow Eucalyptus
« on: May 13, 2018, 12:33:52 AM »
I got my rainbow eucalyptus tree in the mail today.  Wow, what a sorry looking tree.  Haha, that was 50$ not well spent.  I up potted it from dixie cup size to tall 3gal pot and put it in the hot house.  Hoping it will be happier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cal bunnies
« on: May 12, 2018, 11:07:19 PM »
What are they eating?  What part of SD is it?

Jackrabbit population is getting stronger here and they are really hard on tree trunks.  Cotton tails usually only eat vegetables or really small stuff.  They even eat my cactus!  Fence is the best solution.

Here's a picture of the native DG soil here.  Its maybe not what people have in mind when you hear decomposed granite.  It's more of a sandy composition but it does retain moisture at the levels avocado prefer.  This is prefer soil type for avocado groves around here.  I use 100% DG in pots for propogating avocado and everything in my yard is in DG top dressed with mulch.  Amending is really not necessary, avocados love this kind of soil.

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