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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 28, 2017, 08:03:46 PM »
Yes! Totally agree. Root prune the garbage out. You want a branching root system instead of circling. Roots tend to react like branches. If they tip they branch out.

https://rootmaker.com/sites/default/files/pdf/4inchRuleWeb.pdf

I have seen trees that never came out of the swirl as well.

Great points. Worst case is J rooting.  It will kill the tree.  Lost this young but bearing Pickering to a "benign" case of root spinout.  Came from PIN which I trust but even they will have potbound trees. 


A lot of the fruit nurseries graft in 1 gallon pot. The tree is there 6-8 months until is up potted to 3. By then is root bound. Lately in spaces where I lost trees I'm planting the seeds and grafting 12 months later. What a difference. They grow like a bad weed.

I want to do the same in the long run. I will end up with 2 of everything. Luckily I have the room!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 26, 2017, 11:01:12 AM »
Something is going on just not sure what but we will see how this goes

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:34:46 AM »



This is what it looks like at the trunk

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:31:11 AM »



This is a Monroe I purchased from a nursery a couple of months ago. I'm going to plant it on this spot as it is. I want to compare the progress of this with the box store "green stick with leaves avocado" that I'm going to purchase from the box store and plant near by.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 15, 2017, 09:14:29 PM »
The good thing about buying from Home Depot and lowes is that you can always take it back if you're not happy with what you bought. So until they come out with see-tbru pots it's always good to check there first

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 14, 2017, 12:34:13 PM »
I'm about 20 miles inland on the west coast of Florida. The esrth is sand anda it's deep in spots and there are huge limerock boulders just under the surface in others. I haven't done any tests but I assume it's probably alkaline. Besides the avocados in the picks there are just a few feet away a bacon that after going through a similar phase eventually took off and is now a full beautiful 5 foot tree. On the other side there's a 50 foot seedling avocado that gives off fruit that has a raised ridge that runs along one side. I've never seen that before

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 14, 2017, 07:46:44 AM »
Your off to a perfect start Lorenzo! I don't think it's unfortunate that your trees are all seedlings, I think it's ideal. Now you can make what you want with them and if left alone some of your seedlings may grow to be awesome in their own right. You never know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 13, 2017, 04:01:02 PM »
Thanks Lorenzo. That is all good advine I will incorporate it all into my avocado care plan thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 12, 2017, 07:44:40 PM »
Spaugh. I was purposely letting them grow in shade because I thought it would be beneficial to them. I will start to cut the shade away from that Oro Negro just not all at once. Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 12, 2017, 07:38:17 PM »


Here's the Catalina again



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 12, 2017, 02:21:11 PM »
Oro Negro in the ground 3 years



Choquette in ground 2 years



Catalina in the ground 2 years



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 11, 2017, 04:45:58 PM »
I agree with Vernmentend that planting seedlings and grafting your own trees is the ideal. Unfortunately if you don't have easy access to scions you're relegated to visiting the box stores or a committing to a road trip to pick up rarer stuff. I will update you all on my experiment. Mi casa es tu casa.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / My Theory on Avocados
« on: February 11, 2017, 10:27:34 AM »
I haven't had a lot of luck with 3 gallon Avocado trees from the box stores after planting in the ground. Usually you get a green stick that's well rooted in the pot and has small bushy branches full of nice green leaves. Usually when I buy one I bring it home water it and plant it in the ground within a few days. It always seems to struggle. Some of them have die but most of them have just died back almost to the graft and then just lingering there before after a couple of years finally taking off. I think I have read on this forum that it's common that when planting in the ground an avocados roots will go into shock. For whatever reason it seems that the scion has a hard time drawing enough water and or nutrients from the roots to keep itself alive. I've noticed that a lot of times when it dies all the way back it will sprout new growth from below the graft. I wonder if the root stock in its condition of shock is out of self preservation recognizing the graft area as an injury zone and purposely cutting itself off from the scion? In any case I'm thinking of getting a new avocado this spring and I'm going to try something new. I'm going to help out the root stock by cutting off all the branches and snipping of the main stem atleast by half. There will be no leaves left and I will only moderately water and no fertilizer. On another note I have bought 3 gallon avocado trees from nurseries that look like they are older than the ones from the box stores with darker more gnarly trunks and I've never had problems after planting these trees. I think the grafts on these have more fully healed and that is why there is a notable difference.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does anyone know what this is?
« on: February 06, 2017, 10:34:01 PM »
Sure enough !! Thanks I've been trying to identify it for a while without any luck thank you so much!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Does anyone know what this is?
« on: February 06, 2017, 08:08:52 PM »




This plant had been cut down to a stump a couple of years ago and refused to die. It's cold sensitive. This is the first time I've seen it fruit. I don't expect it's anything edible. Can anyone ID?

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Copied this off Wikipedia:  Bihar is the largest producer of vegetables and the second-largest producer of fruits in India. Bihar has high agricultural production making it one of the strongest sectors of the state. About 80 per cent of the state’s population is employed in agriculture, which is higher as compared to India’s average.[74] The main agricultural products produced in Bihar are litchi, guava, mango, pineapple, brinjal, lady's finger, cauliflower, cabbage, rice, wheat and sugarcane

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Understanding that severe malnutrition was a big factor does remove my earlier scepticism

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Sad to hear that. Being the largest growing area I wonder why all that fruit production is not helping the local economy more?

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I deduce from the evidence presented thus far that it must be that Indian mothers send the children out of the house on an empty stomach but that Chinese do not. I do not know much about either country but it must be that there is more food to go around in China?

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Good one Oscar but don't forget Apple seeds can grow in your stomach which would end up being very uncomfortable and you can slip and fall on a banana peel leading to certain death for sure

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Of course we are trusting the word of these plant detectives in India. There's the remote possibility they are covering something up or just needing to close the case and I pulled up all my Lychees for nothing. Better safe than sorry tho

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Whew, that was a close one! I just pulled out all my lychee trees. Fortunately they haven't fruited.

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Theres a huge difference in the 10A zone between the coast and the center a lot of that 10a gets frost when there is a cold year

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Rob on the maps it says 10 but I'm inland Collier and I get some frost some years so I think I'm straddling a zone 

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That's greAt information Simon. It's what I was hoping. I have nursery bought varieties. Maha, PPK, KesAr, etc. I want to double up onto the seedlings so as to improve the odds of my expensive purchases surviving in the event I get a freeze. Which eventually I will.

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